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(Twitter)   A new bill proposed in the Minnesota Legislature would make anyone convicted of a crime at a protest, demonstration or march ineligible for student loans and many other forms of state financial aid   (twitter.com) divider line
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2021-04-18 11:49:54 PM  
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2021-04-18 11:57:31 PM  
So two things.

1.) That means all the insurrectionists don't get financial aid, right?
2.) Good luck convicting... anyone. No one ever gets convicted from charges involved with protests. The charges are meant to harrass, not to actually make it to court. The charges always get dropped.

also 3.) This is very unconstitutional. I know you think Samuel Alito will unilaterally rule that he gets to personally hang everyone who ever had a BLM PFP on twitter, but no, SCOTUS won't find a creative way to support this one.
 
2021-04-19 12:20:54 AM  
I thought felony convictions already disqualified you for federal student aid?
 
2021-04-19 12:27:36 AM  

dv-ous: I thought felony convictions already disqualified you for federal student aid?


Only Drug convictions right now
 
2021-04-19 12:30:24 AM  
Sheesh, talk about asking for a new reason to protest.
 
2021-04-19 12:38:41 AM  

eurotrader: dv-ous: I thought felony convictions already disqualified you for federal student aid?

Only Drug convictions right now


Ah, TY.

And yeah, this sucks eggs.
 
2021-04-19 1:15:40 AM  
These fine protectors of the Constitution and defenders of Law and Order understand that they'd be ripping up this thing called the First Amendment to the Constitution of the United States of America, right?

I'm sure they do.
 
2021-04-19 4:54:30 AM  
Land of the free indeed, as long as you fall in line and don't question anything we shove down your throat.

/the world is turning into a powder keg.
 
2021-04-19 4:55:03 AM  
Now, to widely expand the definition of protest.
 
2021-04-19 4:57:01 AM  
Ban the advertisers of the protest from using the stock market.
 
2021-04-19 4:57:23 AM  
Keep fracking around Nazis.....

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2021-04-19 5:05:39 AM  
Ah yes, the "we'll ruin your life before it begins if you ask for a decent chance at life" stategy. An entire generation of people with no hope for a decent future because of the old people in charge has never proven dangerous.
 
2021-04-19 5:07:20 AM  

andrewagill: 1.) That means all the insurrectionists don't get financial aid, right?


- The insurrection didn't happen in Minnesota
- Ex post facto laws are unconstitutional.

So no.
 
2021-04-19 5:15:20 AM  
Cruelty == point
 
2021-04-19 5:16:29 AM  
Please tell me "it shall be a defense to this law if the person convicted of a crime at a protest, demonstration, or March is not employed as law enforcement personnel."

No? What the fark, Minnesota?
 
2021-04-19 5:16:35 AM  
Guaranteed millions of right-wing morons are cheering this on but if you propose any amendments to the 2nd they completely lose their sh*t.  Dumbf*cks.
 
2021-04-19 5:16:55 AM  
Jesus these idiots just love their constituents calling for their political career's head... Don't they realize this will hit all those conservatives when they protest things like mask orders and elections?

/kidding, everyone knows no conservative has set foot in a college or university
 
2021-04-19 5:20:24 AM  

eurotrader: dv-ous: I thought felony convictions already disqualified you for federal student aid?

Only Drug convictions right now


That seems stupid. If we want druggies to get out of the cycle, education and the funding thereof would be part of the solution.

To me, the only reason to be disqualified for federal aid is if the person ever voted for or harbored Republican candidates/initiatives/etc. Education would be wasted on them anyways.
 
2021-04-19 5:27:44 AM  

Iczer: Jesus these idiots just love their constituents calling for their political career's head... Don't they realize this will hit all those conservatives when they protest things like mask orders and elections?


Anyone who thinks laws like this will ever be applied to conservatives needs a reality check.

Autocratic regimes pass these sorts of laws specifically to use against anti-regime protests. They will never be used against the regime's supporters.
 
2021-04-19 5:29:47 AM  
Because how could that possibly go wrong? The police here are known for their never ending compassion and steadfast adherence to our Constitutional rights. Just ask the journalists.

On a side note, businesses in Minneapolis and the suburbs are already boarding up their windows in anticipation of the meltdown if (well, when) the jury lets Chauvin off.
 
2021-04-19 5:31:44 AM  

GoldSpider: andrewagill: 1.) That means all the insurrectionists don't get financial aid, right?

- The insurrection didn't happen in Minnesota
- Ex post facto laws are unconstitutional.

So no.


As the bill is written, the insurrectionists are hosed if they are convicted.
 
2021-04-19 5:31:54 AM  
Welp, if your messiah Maxine has her way, there'll be a lot fewer people needing loans.
 
2021-04-19 5:38:11 AM  

Moosedick Gladys Greengroin: your messiah Maxine


Can you give me an example of people worshiping Maxine as a messiah?

Or are you just being stupidly hyperbolic?
 
2021-04-19 5:41:53 AM  
Any way. Any way to f#ck people over.
 
2021-04-19 5:47:30 AM  

dv-ous: I thought felony convictions already disqualified you for federal student aid?


It is all state stuff. It cuts pretty deep.

The bill, authored by Sen. David Osmek (R- Mound), states that "A person convicted of a criminal offense related to the person's illegal conduct at a protest, demonstration, rally, civil unrest, or march is ineligible for any type of state loan, grant, or assistance, including but not limited to college student loans and grants ..."

Other forms of state financial aid, including food stamps, rent assistance and unemployment benefits, are also in the bill.
 
2021-04-19 5:57:09 AM  
The bill, authored by Sen. David Osmek (R- Mound), states that "A person convicted of a criminal offense related to the person's illegal conduct at a protest, demonstration, rally, civil unrest, or march is ineligible for any type of state loan, grant, or assistance, including but not limited to college student loans and grants ..."

Other forms of state financial aid, including food stamps, rent assistance and unemployment benefits, are also in the bill.


It might be magnitudes worse. It does not say felony.

Hmmmm... one more look at TFA...

A new bill proposed in the Minnesota Legislature would make anyone convicted of a crime at a protest ineligible for student loans and many other forms of state financial aid.

Nope. A page search for felony came up zilch.

Better not speed. If you opt for traffic school in my state you have to pay the fine and plead guilty so if you skip the school they can put a warrant out for you. That is a sort of conviction.
 
2021-04-19 5:58:28 AM  
Once again, I beg you: pay attention to your local state legislative races. I can make an argument that they're actually more important than the Presidential race on a day-to-day real life level. If you've got friends who were fired up to vote last November for the first time, take a minute to explain shiat like this to them.
 
2021-04-19 5:58:59 AM  
This in no way, shape, nor form ever blow back in their faces. I'm sure of it.
 
2021-04-19 6:04:14 AM  
Again, a law that does NOT affect the rich. Any law that can be circumvented by the wealthy is not a moral or ethical law, it's a law to punish poor people.
 
2021-04-19 6:09:24 AM  
RWA gonna authoritariate.
 
2021-04-19 6:16:07 AM  
What's the point of bread and circuses if the ingrates protest anyway? Take away the bread to remind them that without you they're nothing.
 
2021-04-19 6:23:00 AM  

andrewagill: 1.) That means all the insurrectionists don't get financial aid, right?


Yeah, but zero impact. That crowd wasn't heading to college anyway.
 
2021-04-19 6:26:58 AM  

CurmudgeonInDevelopment: andrewagill: 1.) That means all the insurrectionists don't get financial aid, right?

Yeah, but zero impact. That crowd wasn't heading to college anyway.


There's always barber or clown.
 
2021-04-19 6:38:25 AM  
.... UNLESS THEY ARE A REPUBLICAN.

Republicans are always exempt from laws because White Privilege.
 
2021-04-19 6:43:08 AM  

Catlenfell: Now, to widely expand the definition of protest.


"Arrest Catlenfell! He is protesting!"
 
2021-04-19 6:48:08 AM  
Great.
Socially aware people now don't get to go to college.

That's exactly who we want to get advanced degrees.
 
2021-04-19 6:55:01 AM  
That's so obviously unconstitutional that's it's not even funny.
 
2021-04-19 7:01:16 AM  
I'd like to point out the bills shiatheel author is from a district with a population of around 90k within the metro area. They're a rounding error essentially.

If they do manage to pass this clearly bullshiat measure, anyone involved on the left which they would need to do that, would absolutely be out of a job.
 
2021-04-19 7:05:16 AM  

Moosedick Gladys Greengroin: Welp, if your messiah Maxine has her way, there'll be a lot fewer people needing loans.


I wouldn't call her "messiah", but unlike your Messiah, at least Maxine is real.
 
2021-04-19 7:07:02 AM  
So...

"WE'RE NOT GONNA PROTEST!"

/ Gutter is a tool
 
2021-04-19 7:10:21 AM  
This stuff cannot be legal. If you're "arrested at a protest" is incredibly loose language for anyone to lose access to a government program - when that same government is run by a constitution that guarantees the 1A.

The government cannot define your speech -- and threatening you, is defining that speech.
 
2021-04-19 7:12:14 AM  
So they're acknowledging that their enemies are the young and educated together with the poor?

Yeah, that always bodes well for a political party.
 
2021-04-19 7:12:28 AM  
Well so long as Protesting and Free Speech aren't part of the list of "crimes".....
 
2021-04-19 7:12:34 AM  
Legislatures get lots of terrible proposals.. someone in Missouri keeps trying to make it legal to run over protesters and kill them.
 
2021-04-19 7:12:39 AM  

unixpro: These fine protectors of the Constitution and defenders of Law and Order understand that they'd be ripping up this thing called the First Amendment to the Constitution of the United States of America, right?

I'm sure they do.


It's either this, or acknowledge the protests and create substantial police reform.

Which means taking on the police.
 
2021-04-19 7:13:58 AM  

vrax: GoldSpider: andrewagill: 1.) That means all the insurrectionists don't get financial aid, right?

- The insurrection didn't happen in Minnesota
- Ex post facto laws are unconstitutional.

So no.

As the bill is written, the insurrectionists are hosed if they are convicted.


As state laws are written, they don't apply outside of that state.
 
2021-04-19 7:15:19 AM  

Moosedick Gladys Greengroin: Welp, if your messiah Maxine has her way, there'll be a lot fewer people needing loans.


Lolwut?😅
 
2021-04-19 7:19:59 AM  

Xanlexian: Moosedick Gladys Greengroin: Welp, if your messiah Maxine has her way, there'll be a lot fewer people needing loans.

I wouldn't call her "messiah", but unlike your Messiah, at least Maxine is real.


Alas, his Messiah, Donald J. Trump, is all too real.

/as is Messiah-In-Training Ron DeSantis
 
2021-04-19 7:36:46 AM  
Minnesota.
I was on the phone with a client who just broke down crying because she lived there.

I never get to meet them in person.
I can only assume demographics.

Until they are crying and volunteer they are 70 years old, white, and deeply ashamed to live in a state with so many racists who are brazenly outspoken and making the entire state looks like assholes.

So, most of that state? fark you.
 
2021-04-19 7:38:53 AM  
And the odds of the Governor signing this are what?
 
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