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2021-04-19 6:38:49 AM  
Uhm, leafbros...you ok?
 
2021-04-19 6:39:46 AM  
Oof, that's terrible.
 
2021-04-19 6:42:05 AM  
"The province said it also would restrict interprovincial travel and erect checkpoints to enforce that mandate while ordering that non-essential construction shut down beginning Saturday."

Problem with that is pretty much everything in construction is listed as essential.

Ford refuses to put any real limits on construction, factories, warehouses, or other work places where most of the cases are coming from.

If it'll cause more than a slight inconvenience economically then he refuses to do it.
 
2021-04-19 6:43:02 AM  
Jim never vomits at home...
 
2021-04-19 6:43:17 AM  
Doing better now in Quebec and my area is no longer #1 in Canada or even the region.
 
2021-04-19 6:44:56 AM  
Sadly, I expect we'll be seeing this in many places until *everyone* is vaccinated.  The Dumb is global.
 
2021-04-19 6:45:02 AM  
Not all Canada.. Seems to correlate with regressive leaders.
 
2021-04-19 6:47:51 AM  
Or perhaps they could work at getting shots in arms.
 
2021-04-19 6:48:08 AM  
I thought Canada's this super anti-coronavirus place where everybody wears masks, everyone's vaccinated? What's up with the sudden surge of the virus? Isn't the vaccine working?
 
2021-04-19 6:50:30 AM  
Geez Canada, can't you just be more like the USA? We might be seeing our own upswing in cases, particularly of the more severe variants, but you don't see us shutting down, do you? No! We're reopening more and more.

See, your problem is you took it kind of seriously before. That made your numbers go way down. The real trick is to get it to rise up and then plateau - if it never drops that far, you don't see it rise that much (relatively speaking, at least).

Just ignore it, pretend it's not real, blame it on someone else, and then make sure you can have mass shootings fairly regularly, and you'll hardly notice it.
 
2021-04-19 6:51:35 AM  

GreenSun: I thought Canada's this super anti-coronavirus place where everybody wears masks, everyone's vaccinated? What's up with the sudden surge of the virus? Isn't the vaccine working?


Yeah, they don't have nearly enough people vaccinated.

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/granted, neither do we
 
2021-04-19 6:51:52 AM  

Boo_Guy: "The province said it also would restrict interprovincial travel and erect checkpoints to enforce that mandate while ordering that non-essential construction shut down beginning Saturday."

Problem with that is pretty much everything in construction is listed as essential.

Ford refuses to put any real limits on construction, factories, warehouses, or other work places where most of the cases are coming from.

If it'll cause more than a slight inconvenience economically then he refuses to do it.


Construction is essential there is a limited window to do it. The warehousing is essential too I don't know where everyone thinks their food and Amazon packages come from.
 
2021-04-19 6:56:36 AM  

TheGreatGazoo: Or perhaps they could work at getting shots in arms.


Are you delivering them to Canada?
 
2021-04-19 7:00:21 AM  

Boo_Guy: "The province said it also would restrict interprovincial travel and erect checkpoints to enforce that mandate while ordering that non-essential construction shut down beginning Saturday."

Problem with that is pretty much everything in construction is listed as essential.

Ford refuses to put any real limits on construction, factories, warehouses, or other work places where most of the cases are coming from.

If it'll cause more than a slight inconvenience economically then he refuses to do it.


One of the big issues now is that we're still administering vaccines based off of an age tier. The majority of cases are 20-40 year old essential workers such as myself, and the vaccine isn't being offered to anyone younger than 50-55* in my area (one of the major hotspots). *(and certain specific high risj populations)
Meanwhile we've got oodles of doses of Astrazeneca sitting untouched on pharmacy shelves because they've implemented a dopey mandate that they not be given to anyone under 55 despite the blood clotting "risk" is really a non-issue.

That and people are idiots who don't understand that outdoors is "lower risk" not "zero risk" and that proper distancing and mask measures still apply outside. People aren't getting that. And for some reason I'd estimate 1 out of every 3 transit operators is going mask less because they think the anti-assault plexiglass divider somehow creates an enclosed air space from the rest of the bus.
While I'd love to pile on the government for not doing better - and theyve certainly made some missteps recently - the biggest driver is the general public just isn't behaving responsibly. The wave is being driven by the variants which have two massive advantages - not only are they more transmissible, but fatigue and complacency set in long ago.

Theres also been a lot of muddled wish-washy messaging from the health pros that isn't helping either. See: that whole "outdoors is safer" thing and the "if you've been vaccinated you can ease up on mask wearing" (which they've since walked back).
 
2021-04-19 7:06:48 AM  

Satampra Zeiros: Boo_Guy: "The province said it also would restrict interprovincial travel and erect checkpoints to enforce that mandate while ordering that non-essential construction shut down beginning Saturday."

Problem with that is pretty much everything in construction is listed as essential.

Ford refuses to put any real limits on construction, factories, warehouses, or other work places where most of the cases are coming from.

If it'll cause more than a slight inconvenience economically then he refuses to do it.

One of the big issues now is that we're still administering vaccines based off of an age tier. The majority of cases are 20-40 year old essential workers such as myself, and the vaccine isn't being offered to anyone younger than 50-55* in my area (one of the major hotspots). *(and certain specific high risj populations)
Meanwhile we've got oodles of doses of Astrazeneca sitting untouched on pharmacy shelves because they've implemented a dopey mandate that they not be given to anyone under 55 despite the blood clotting "risk" is really a non-issue.

That and people are idiots who don't understand that outdoors is "lower risk" not "zero risk" and that proper distancing and mask measures still apply outside. People aren't getting that. And for some reason I'd estimate 1 out of every 3 transit operators is going mask less because they think the anti-assault plexiglass divider somehow creates an enclosed air space from the rest of the bus.
While I'd love to pile on the government for not doing better - and theyve certainly made some missteps recently - the biggest driver is the general public just isn't behaving responsibly. The wave is being driven by the variants which have two massive advantages - not only are they more transmissible, but fatigue and complacency set in long ago.

Theres also been a lot of muddled wish-washy messaging from the health pros that isn't helping either. See: that whole "outdoors is safer" thing and the "if you've been vaccinated you can ease up on mask wearing" (which they've since walked back).


They just unlocked AZ for 40 and up. Will try and book an appointment today. The fact that I qualify for a shot and my kids' teachers don't is farking embarrassing.
 
2021-04-19 7:18:43 AM  
Sadly, Ontario is ran by people who value money above humanity. Also, rather spineless ones too;- they tried a fascist carding and balked within 1 day on the measure (which, as draconian as it is, would actually force compliance to government orders).

We have a 3rd wave because the blue collar supporters of Ford cannot afford to take a pause in working. Nor would they if they could afford it. They tend to work their lives on pure spite towards everyone else and themselves.

For a conservative Canadians a question;- why elect your leaders if you guys ignore them the same as Libs or NDP? Might as well embrace the inner anarchism and stop feeling that nagging shame.

Sigh.
 
2021-04-19 7:18:44 AM  
Enough with the "privacy" concerns!

I suggest tagging the infected. Let us know who has it; and when we see them not isolating themselves, we can encourage them to do so.
 
2021-04-19 7:19:38 AM  

Invincible: Satampra Zeiros: Boo_Guy: "The province said it also would restrict interprovincial travel and erect checkpoints to enforce that mandate while ordering that non-essential construction shut down beginning Saturday."

Problem with that is pretty much everything in construction is listed as essential.

Ford refuses to put any real limits on construction, factories, warehouses, or other work places where most of the cases are coming from.

If it'll cause more than a slight inconvenience economically then he refuses to do it.

One of the big issues now is that we're still administering vaccines based off of an age tier. The majority of cases are 20-40 year old essential workers such as myself, and the vaccine isn't being offered to anyone younger than 50-55* in my area (one of the major hotspots). *(and certain specific high risj populations)
Meanwhile we've got oodles of doses of Astrazeneca sitting untouched on pharmacy shelves because they've implemented a dopey mandate that they not be given to anyone under 55 despite the blood clotting "risk" is really a non-issue.

That and people are idiots who don't understand that outdoors is "lower risk" not "zero risk" and that proper distancing and mask measures still apply outside. People aren't getting that. And for some reason I'd estimate 1 out of every 3 transit operators is going mask less because they think the anti-assault plexiglass divider somehow creates an enclosed air space from the rest of the bus.
While I'd love to pile on the government for not doing better - and theyve certainly made some missteps recently - the biggest driver is the general public just isn't behaving responsibly. The wave is being driven by the variants which have two massive advantages - not only are they more transmissible, but fatigue and complacency set in long ago.

Theres also been a lot of muddled wish-washy messaging from the health pros that isn't helping either. See: that whole "outdoors is safer" thing and the "if you've been vac ...


It's appalling how disjointed the vaccine distribution seems to be in the US.  One state has one set of rules, another is different.  Ohio opened up the vaccine to all adults a couple weeks ago.  I don't remember seeing a state by state breakdown of eligibility in the news any time recently either.
 
2021-04-19 7:25:48 AM  

themindiswatching: GreenSun: I thought Canada's this super anti-coronavirus place where everybody wears masks, everyone's vaccinated? What's up with the sudden surge of the virus? Isn't the vaccine working?

Yeah, they don't have nearly enough people vaccinated.

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/granted, neither do we


Seemed like much of Fark was proclaiming Canadians as geniuses because they had more orders for vaccines than they had people.  And the US were idiots for not placing all their eggs in one vaccine basket.   It was a bit pathetic to see a group of supposedly brilliant people totally unaware that the Moderna and Johnson and Johnson vaccines existed.
 
2021-04-19 7:29:37 AM  
Being in CT where the majority of the days have consistently been sub 3% positive rate, it's frustrating to watch the rest of the world continually fark things up.

CT has been pretty much completely open for a while now with one exception:  Bars and nightclubs, but only ones that don't serve food, and the ones that are open only allow alcohol and mask removal while seated.

We also have towns like Vernon that run their own mobile vaccine clinics.  They already hit up all the homebound, elderly, etc. and have switched to a program called "Getting Vax To Business" where they target individual businesses to get as many shots out in the community as possible.
 
2021-04-19 7:30:25 AM  

OdradekRex: Invincible: Satampra Zeiros: Boo_Guy: "The province said it also would restrict interprovincial travel and erect checkpoints to enforce that mandate while ordering that non-essential construction shut down beginning Saturday."

Problem with that is pretty much everything in construction is listed as essential.

Ford refuses to put any real limits on construction, factories, warehouses, or other work places where most of the cases are coming from.

If it'll cause more than a slight inconvenience economically then he refuses to do it.

One of the big issues now is that we're still administering vaccines based off of an age tier. The majority of cases are 20-40 year old essential workers such as myself, and the vaccine isn't being offered to anyone younger than 50-55* in my area (one of the major hotspots). *(and certain specific high risj populations)
Meanwhile we've got oodles of doses of Astrazeneca sitting untouched on pharmacy shelves because they've implemented a dopey mandate that they not be given to anyone under 55 despite the blood clotting "risk" is really a non-issue.

That and people are idiots who don't understand that outdoors is "lower risk" not "zero risk" and that proper distancing and mask measures still apply outside. People aren't getting that. And for some reason I'd estimate 1 out of every 3 transit operators is going mask less because they think the anti-assault plexiglass divider somehow creates an enclosed air space from the rest of the bus.
While I'd love to pile on the government for not doing better - and theyve certainly made some missteps recently - the biggest driver is the general public just isn't behaving responsibly. The wave is being driven by the variants which have two massive advantages - not only are they more transmissible, but fatigue and complacency set in long ago.

Theres also been a lot of muddled wish-washy messaging from the health pros that isn't helping either. See: that whole "outdoors is safer" thing and the "if you've been vac ...

It's appalling how disjointed the vaccine distribution seems to be in the US.  One state has one set of rules, another is different.  Ohio opened up the vaccine to all adults a couple weeks ago.  I don't remember seeing a state by state breakdown of eligibility in the news any time recently either.


I remember the federal government told states to open it to everyone in April or they (fed) would do it for them (states).  Frankly the disjointed state rollout is an artifact of the last guy's bad "give it to the states and let them decide" policy. Current skin delivering through National drug store chains is having a huge impact on pushing states forward. (Case in point: teachers in Florida.)
 
2021-04-19 7:34:50 AM  

outtatowner: Sadly, Ontario is ran by people who value money above humanity. Also, rather spineless ones too;- they tried a fascist carding and balked within 1 day on the measure (which, as draconian as it is, would actually force compliance to government orders).

We have a 3rd wave because the blue collar supporters of Ford cannot afford to take a pause in working. Nor would they if they could afford it. They tend to work their lives on pure spite towards everyone else and themselves.

For a conservative Canadians a question;- why elect your leaders if you guys ignore them the same as Libs or NDP? Might as well embrace the inner anarchism and stop feeling that nagging shame.

Sigh.


I voted for the NB Cons (or maybe the Greens, I forget, I voted Green federally) and they have done a fairly decent job.  Before the pandemic they had balanced the provincial budget which I would have thought impossible, and that actually included a small increase in some social benefits.  During the pandemic they have put restrictions in basically fast enough, and relaxed them basically as fast as they responsibly could.

The population as a whole here, of any political leaning, seems to take all the restrictions seriously.  People wear masks everywhere indoors and most places outdoors, and everyone you pass on the street or walking paths moves right over as far as possible.

We had 10 cases yesterday, out of about 750000 people, and 9 of those are in one town in the northwest of the province.  Businesses are open, we are allowed to see friends although most people are being very restrictive in who they see.  Our low population density obviously is a big help too
 
2021-04-19 7:35:41 AM  
While I'd love to pile on the Ford government, and I do feel they've made some missteps regarding the vaccine rollout and reopening things too soon, the stark reality is wed be seeing this no matter who was in government.
Theres only so much the government can do and implement - at the end of the day it comes down to the behaviour of the general public. The house three units down from me had a bunch of clearly-not-from-the same household people hanging out having a mask less barbecue just the other weekend. The maskless transit drivers I mentioned before. People who just *have* to go have their Timmies fix in the morning (because you csnt just make a cup of coffee at home) and have a mask less non-socially distanced smoke just around the entrance from said Timmies.  All the maskless kids physically interacting in the townhouse greenspace.
The list is endless. And I was guilty of letting my guard down when they lifted the restrictions a month ago too. I went out and browsed around the thrift store once they opened up again until I got home, looked at the unnecessary crap I bought, thought about all the people that were there and realized "holy shirtballs that was stupid".
 
2021-04-19 7:43:20 AM  
Half-arsing it seems to be one of the main issues.  I get the wanton need for trying to keep the economy rolling but there comes a time when shutting down means shut everything down.

Also - slow vaccine rollout.  If I was eligible (38 years old on medication with high blood pressure) I'd be getting it today.  The branding doesn't matter to me.
 
2021-04-19 7:43:53 AM  
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2021-04-19 7:53:17 AM  

Satampra Zeiros: While I'd love to pile on the Ford government, and I do feel they've made some missteps regarding the vaccine rollout and reopening things too soon, the stark reality is wed be seeing this no matter who was in government.
Theres only so much the government can do and implement - at the end of the day it comes down to the behaviour of the general public. The house three units down from me had a bunch of clearly-not-from-the same household people hanging out having a mask less barbecue just the other weekend. The maskless transit drivers I mentioned before. People who just *have* to go have their Timmies fix in the morning (because you csnt just make a cup of coffee at home) and have a mask less non-socially distanced smoke just around the entrance from said Timmies.  All the maskless kids physically interacting in the townhouse greenspace.
The list is endless. And I was guilty of letting my guard down when they lifted the restrictions a month ago too. I went out and browsed around the thrift store once they opened up again until I got home, looked at the unnecessary crap I bought, thought about all the people that were there and realized "holy shirtballs that was stupid".


I disagree. The Ford government has handled this with the same competence they handled the license plate change. They make decisions and announcements weeks late with no consultation and are forced to walk back or severely modify every goddamn step they've taken. Their visible disdain for teachers and other front line workers now borders on abuse. Other provinces avoided this spike, we could have too. It's time for Ford to resign.
 
2021-04-19 7:53:53 AM  
Unfortunately for Ontario, it is a bad combination of increased variants, Covid fatigue, younger folks ignoring guidelines and Ford ignoring his own "Ontario COVID-19 Science Advisory Table".

In the last couple of days, 55% of new cases are people under 40.

Ford has failed to listen to medical experts & hospital staff on what is needed. He has been slow to react & not fully implement proper restrictions. Also failed to provide paid sick-leave for those that have no company coverage - read essential warehouse, retail, hourly workers.

I got my first shot last Friday & my wife gets hers this Friday. While we are in the target range for age & a couple underlying health conditions, we aren't going anywhere - I work from home.

We need to vaccinate those essential workers first to stop the spread & allow them to stay home when they feel sick.
 
2021-04-19 7:59:08 AM  

Eightballjacket: unaware that the Moderna


We have been using Moderna, but our shipments keep getting cut. Pfizer had sketchy deliveries but seems to have started to get their act together.
There has been a reluctancy to to get AZ because of the clotting issue because people don't understand how little the risk is.
We'll see now that the age limits have been loosened.
 
2021-04-19 8:00:19 AM  

Invincible: Satampra Zeiros: While I'd love to pile on the Ford government, and I do feel they've made some missteps regarding the vaccine rollout and reopening things too soon, the stark reality is wed be seeing this no matter who was in government.
Theres only so much the government can do and implement - at the end of the day it comes down to the behaviour of the general public. The house three units down from me had a bunch of clearly-not-from-the same household people hanging out having a mask less barbecue just the other weekend. The maskless transit drivers I mentioned before. People who just *have* to go have their Timmies fix in the morning (because you csnt just make a cup of coffee at home) and have a mask less non-socially distanced smoke just around the entrance from said Timmies.  All the maskless kids physically interacting in the townhouse greenspace.
The list is endless. And I was guilty of letting my guard down when they lifted the restrictions a month ago too. I went out and browsed around the thrift store once they opened up again until I got home, looked at the unnecessary crap I bought, thought about all the people that were there and realized "holy shirtballs that was stupid".

I disagree. The Ford government has handled this with the same competence they handled the license plate change. They make decisions and announcements weeks late with no consultation and are forced to walk back or severely modify every goddamn step they've taken. Their visible disdain for teachers and other front line workers now borders on abuse. Other provinces avoided this spike, we could have too. It's time for Ford to resign.


I thought Ford did ok for a while last year, but the wheels have definitely fallen off now.  Announcing police powers without having checked whether the police are interested in using them is ridiculous, and closing playground for 24 hours before flip-flopping is pathetic.  If he was going to flip-flop on anything he should announce that the government will cover salaries (up to some cutoff, maybe the median wage or something) for people who have to take sick time for 5 or 10 days this year, but apparently that is the hill he will die on.
 
2021-04-19 8:03:15 AM  
A short lockdown early or a long lockdown latter.  I'm glad I live where they picked the 1st option but in the words of the Tassy leader "We've got a moat, and we're not afraid to use it."

One thing that seems to be common world wide is the alternate levels of governments from opposite parties tend to have the most extreme anti-lockdown attitudes on at least one level.  It is almost like real leadership isn't considered when dictatorship type laws do work.

Around here, Dictator Dan who said there would be thousand dollar fines for not wearing a mask on public transport and had an accident on some stairs and is out of work for another month.  Now after the footy games most people aren't wearing a mask and testing is way down.  They did report 51 days of no community transfer  today but every single state has had it escape quarantine due to incompetence.  Protip if you work security in a quarantine hotel, don't be farking the quarantined people or you might take a bug home to the family.

Here we now know how much the hard lockdowns cost, and we know how much more farkups cost and how well the model works.  It is well within Canada's finical ability to copy the Aussies.  The left should like it because it saves people and the right should love it because it makes billionaires even more money so what is not to love about it.
 
2021-04-19 8:13:17 AM  

Snowblind2010: Also - slow vaccine rollout.  If I was eligible (38 years old on medication with high blood pressure) I'd be getting it today.  The branding doesn't matter to me.


Good luck with that. Around here 140/90 or above is class 1b yet last week around here they had blood pressure limits (it might have been under 135/85 or lower) for both the AstraZeneca and Pfizer vaccines and there was a hard age 50 cut off for which one was used. For a few weeks ago they had a total ban on AZ for under 50 until late last week and now will offer it to under 50 if they ask for it and go to one of the stadium style vax centers.
 
2021-04-19 8:14:46 AM  
My go to site (ranks provinces, territories and states) shows how bad the situation has become.

https://www.ctvnews.ca/health/coronav​i​rus/covid-19-in-the-u-s-how-do-canada-​s-provinces-rank-against-american-stat​es-1.5051033

One Canadian province is now ranked in the top ten, one in the top twenty, while 4 provinces and 3 Canadian territories remain at the bottom of the ranking with the fewest cases per capita. Obviously, this is not the end of the world, but the four provinces that are higher in the rankings are the most populous provinces and thus Canada fairs badly as a result.

It is most disappointing and unfortunate, but we can console ourselves with the relativity of the rankings but Canada and the USA have reached near-parity through a form of regression towards the mean.
 
2021-04-19 8:17:49 AM  
Okay, so we've got vaccines down here and you don't, so here's my plan: meet us on the border (6 feet apart, whatever that is in silly metric) with your sleeve rolled up and holding out a jug of maple syrup and/or a sixer of good beer, and we'll trade you for shots. Win, win.

Srsly, please stay safe, fun, polite Northern cousins. We're fond of you.
 
2021-04-19 8:18:46 AM  

OdradekRex: It's appalling how disjointed the vaccine distribution seems to be in the US.  One state has one set of rules, another is different.  Ohio opened up the vaccine to all adults a couple weeks ago.  I don't remember seeing a state by state breakdown of eligibility in the news any time recently either.


Why would anyone broadcast a state-by-state breakdown of eligibility rules? 49/50 of that would be useless for anyone watching. If you're really that curious go read 50 websites.
 
2021-04-19 8:18:48 AM  
Correction: the Territory of Nunavut has moved up from the bottom of the rankings. It would rank 52nd if the two series were combined.

On the plus side, I see California, which is more populous than all of Canada is now near the bottom of the rankings, which is a good improvement from the early pandemic during which it's large population, port cities and high tourism made it highest in the rankings per capita and especially by absolute numbers of cases.
 
2021-04-19 8:23:28 AM  

bifster: In the last couple of days, 55% of new cases are people under 40.


That's not necessarily a bad thing. Here's the age profile of new cases here

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and here's why

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The high number of cases in under 14s is because all schoolchildren take lateral flow tests twice a week, which shows up a lot of symptomatic cases.
 
2021-04-19 8:31:09 AM  

GreenSun: I thought Canada's this super anti-coronavirus place where everybody wears masks, everyone's vaccinated? What's up with the sudden surge of the virus? Isn't the vaccine working?


You are aware you can still get this even after you have completed both rounds of the vaccine right? I mean it makes it harder to catch it and if you do catch it it greatly increases your survivability but its not some magic immunity button you hit.
 
2021-04-19 8:31:39 AM  

Porous Horace: Doing better now in Quebec and my area is no longer #1 in Canada or even the region.


Hope things are decent in Montreal in the summer... as we're moving there in July.

My wife and I should have both our Pfizer doses before then.
 
2021-04-19 8:35:59 AM  

Klyukva: OdradekRex: It's appalling how disjointed the vaccine distribution seems to be in the US.  One state has one set of rules, another is different.  Ohio opened up the vaccine to all adults a couple weeks ago.  I don't remember seeing a state by state breakdown of eligibility in the news any time recently either.

Why would anyone broadcast a state-by-state breakdown of eligibility rules? 49/50 of that would be useless for anyone watching. If you're really that curious go read 50 websites.


I have found it quite useful to have access to info from other jurisdictions, both to put local developments into a bit more context  and to be able to tell friends, family and coworkers in other places where they can get their local info.
 
2021-04-19 8:39:19 AM  

OdradekRex: Invincible: Satampra Zeiros: Boo_Guy: "The province said it also would restrict interprovincial travel and erect checkpoints to enforce that mandate while ordering that non-essential construction shut down beginning Saturday."

Problem with that is pretty much everything in construction is listed as essential.

Ford refuses to put any real limits on construction, factories, warehouses, or other work places where most of the cases are coming from.

If it'll cause more than a slight inconvenience economically then he refuses to do it.

One of the big issues now is that we're still administering vaccines based off of an age tier. The majority of cases are 20-40 year old essential workers such as myself, and the vaccine isn't being offered to anyone younger than 50-55* in my area (one of the major hotspots). *(and certain specific high risj populations)
Meanwhile we've got oodles of doses of Astrazeneca sitting untouched on pharmacy shelves because they've implemented a dopey mandate that they not be given to anyone under 55 despite the blood clotting "risk" is really a non-issue.

That and people are idiots who don't understand that outdoors is "lower risk" not "zero risk" and that proper distancing and mask measures still apply outside. People aren't getting that. And for some reason I'd estimate 1 out of every 3 transit operators is going mask less because they think the anti-assault plexiglass divider somehow creates an enclosed air space from the rest of the bus.
While I'd love to pile on the government for not doing better - and theyve certainly made some missteps recently - the biggest driver is the general public just isn't behaving responsibly. The wave is being driven by the variants which have two massive advantages - not only are they more transmissible, but fatigue and complacency set in long ago.

Theres also been a lot of muddled wish-washy messaging from the health pros that isn't helping either. See: that whole "outdoors is safer" thing and the "if you' ...


SC is on the 16 and older group now. I was pissed when I tried to get it being 53, diabetic, and caring for 3 disabled folks as needed all of which were older and have underlying conditions themselves but Oh no you cant have one! Finally gave up until I saw folks younger than me who weren't essential workers or health care providers getting them and wised up and made some calls to "get in". Finish my second Round Friday!
 
2021-04-19 8:39:25 AM  

TheAlgebraist: I thought Ford did ok for a while last year, but the wheels have definitely fallen off now.


Same here, I was pleasantly surprised given I was not a fan. Thinking back on it and what I've just written regarding recent events, if Im going to attribute recent failures as a failure in the general public it's also fair to attribute earlier successes more to the part of the general public as well.

At the end of the day, when it comes down to measures of public health it really comes down to the general publics willingness to follow through.
 
2021-04-19 8:51:28 AM  

Snowblind2010: Half-arsing it seems to be one of the main issues.  I get the wanton need for trying to keep the economy rolling but there comes a time when shutting down means shut everything down.

Also - slow vaccine rollout.  If I was eligible (38 years old on medication with high blood pressure) I'd be getting it today.  The branding doesn't matter to me.


I don't get that.  Here in Atlanta, any adult can get a walk up vaccine at the Benz, no cost, not even to park.
 
2021-04-19 8:53:54 AM  

TheGreatGazoo: I don't get that.  Here in Atlanta, any adult can get a walk up vaccine at the Benz, no cost, not even to park.


Limited supply since - we don't produce domestically - means vaccines have needed to be rationed and focused.
 
2021-04-19 8:56:30 AM  

TheAlgebraist: Klyukva: OdradekRex: It's appalling how disjointed the vaccine distribution seems to be in the US.  One state has one set of rules, another is different.  Ohio opened up the vaccine to all adults a couple weeks ago.  I don't remember seeing a state by state breakdown of eligibility in the news any time recently either.

Why would anyone broadcast a state-by-state breakdown of eligibility rules? 49/50 of that would be useless for anyone watching. If you're really that curious go read 50 websites.

I have found it quite useful to have access to info from other jurisdictions, both to put local developments into a bit more context  and to be able to tell friends, family and coworkers in other places where they can get their local info.


googling "a state by state breakdown of eligibility":

https://www.usnews.com/news/best-state​s/articles/covid-19-vaccine-eligibilit​y-by-state

https://www.wsj.com/articles/how-to-g​e​t-a-covid-19-vaccine-a-state-by-state-​guide-11611703769

https://www.nytimes.com/interactive/2​0​21/us/covid-19-vaccine-eligibility.htm​l

https://www.healthline.com/health-new​s​/state-by-state-guide-to-getting-vacci​nated-for-covid-19
 
2021-04-19 9:01:59 AM  
And we just had a 'no more lockdown' protest parade downtown, complete with no masks and bringing their kids!

I feel like I want to die! :)
 
2021-04-19 9:05:20 AM  

TheGreatGazoo: Snowblind2010: Half-arsing it seems to be one of the main issues.  I get the wanton need for trying to keep the economy rolling but there comes a time when shutting down means shut everything down.

Also - slow vaccine rollout.  If I was eligible (38 years old on medication with high blood pressure) I'd be getting it today.  The branding doesn't matter to me.

I don't get that.  Here in Atlanta, any adult can get a walk up vaccine at the Benz, no cost, not even to park.


All I can say is that that is how it feels to be a Canadian looking at the US in all years that aren't 2021 for all medical procedures that aren't "getting a covid vaccine".
 
2021-04-19 9:08:25 AM  

TheAlgebraist: Invincible: Satampra Zeiros: While I'd love to pile on the Ford government, and I do feel they've made some missteps regarding the vaccine rollout and reopening things too soon, the stark reality is wed be seeing this no matter who was in government.
Theres only so much the government can do and implement - at the end of the day it comes down to the behaviour of the general public. The house three units down from me had a bunch of clearly-not-from-the same household people hanging out having a mask less barbecue just the other weekend. The maskless transit drivers I mentioned before. People who just *have* to go have their Timmies fix in the morning (because you csnt just make a cup of coffee at home) and have a mask less non-socially distanced smoke just around the entrance from said Timmies.  All the maskless kids physically interacting in the townhouse greenspace.
The list is endless. And I was guilty of letting my guard down when they lifted the restrictions a month ago too. I went out and browsed around the thrift store once they opened up again until I got home, looked at the unnecessary crap I bought, thought about all the people that were there and realized "holy shirtballs that was stupid".

I disagree. The Ford government has handled this with the same competence they handled the license plate change. They make decisions and announcements weeks late with no consultation and are forced to walk back or severely modify every goddamn step they've taken. Their visible disdain for teachers and other front line workers now borders on abuse. Other provinces avoided this spike, we could have too. It's time for Ford to resign.

I thought Ford did ok for a while last year, but the wheels have definitely fallen off now.  Announcing police powers without having checked whether the police are interested in using them is ridiculous, and closing playground for 24 hours before flip-flopping is pathetic.  If he was going to flip-flop on anything he should announce that the government will cover salaries (up to some cutoff, maybe the median wage or something) for people who have to take sick time for 5 or 10 days this year, but apparently that is the hill he will die on.


Yup, a year ago he was taking a back seat to the science, such as it was at the time, and it was also fairly impressed. At some point in the summer he and the rest of Ford nation just gave up. By Christmas it was "get your shopping done and we'll have a lockdown after we've sobered up." With expected results.
 
2021-04-19 9:11:21 AM  

orbister: bifster: In the last couple of days, 55% of new cases are people under 40.

That's not necessarily a bad thing. Here's the age profile of new cases here

[i.imgur.com image 433x564]

and here's why

[i.imgur.com image 820x563]
The high number of cases in under 14s is because all schoolchildren take lateral flow tests twice a week, which shows up a lot of symptomatic cases.



It's a bad thing here in Ontario.

Younger folks are not getting vaccines/not eligible; appear to be ignoring distancing/guidelines in higher numbers; the new variants are affecting younger Cdns more severely.

In Canada, we need more vaccine supplies, stricter guidelines & paid sick-leave.

https://www.ctvnews.ca/health/coronav​i​rus/more-young-canadians-getting-sever​e-covid-19-being-hospitalized-experts-​1.5364360
 
2021-04-19 9:23:44 AM  

GreenSun: I thought Canada's this super anti-coronavirus place where everybody wears masks, everyone's vaccinated? What's up with the sudden surge of the virus? Isn't the vaccine working?


Nah, it's Trump's fault.
 
2021-04-19 9:38:48 AM  
What you people don't understand is that our Premiers aren't kings. They can't just MAKE everyone stay home and do nothing but cram federal money into our mattresses.

They CAN fight a federally mandated tax, and slash councillors unilaterally in one of the countries largest municipalities, and give billions to the oil companies without any questions being asked

The Supreme Court won't even rule against those things for YEARS. And the idiot voters will still vote for dollar beer every time.
 
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