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2021-04-18 10:34:18 AM  
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2021-04-18 1:42:49 PM  
you mean soccer, NOT football
 
2021-04-18 1:54:48 PM  
So, essentially it would more or less resemble North American sports leagues where the big money teams all have their own league and the old leagues basically resemble minor leagues which feed into the big money league?
 
2021-04-18 1:55:00 PM  

E_Henry_Thripshaws_Disease: you mean soccer, NOT football


what % of soccer is played with the feet compared to american football?
 
2021-04-18 2:04:16 PM  
FIFA, UEFA, and the national leagues are threatening to ban the clubs and their players from all other competition, domestic or international.

Forget the "death penalty".  Forget the "nuclear option".  That's a friggin' Exterminatus.
 
2021-04-18 2:30:52 PM  

germ78: So, essentially it would more or less resemble North American sports leagues where the big money teams all have their own league and the old leagues basically resemble minor leagues which feed into the big money league?


Yeah, what they really want is a franchise system where profits are guaranteed, like in the NFL. But the "Champions" League already heavily favors the top teams in the top four leagues plus PSG. It's not like former powerhouses like Ajax, Porto, Benfica, Celtic, Rangers, Red Star Belgrade, etc. have much of a chance to win it; it's why Ajax's run a couple years ago was a Cinderella story. And since playing in Europe brings in a huge amount of money for each participant, and top players want to play in the CL, there is a strong feedback loop here that further entrenches the power of the top clubs.

And all that is without a European Super League. Such a League would reduce top-flight domestic leagues to minor league status. And that's not even getting into the legal and financial issues it would pose for domestic leagues and their contractual obligations, such as broadcasting contracts.

In short, it is a spectacularly bad idea.
 
2021-04-18 2:31:31 PM  
Easy enough. Any club that does this immediately is banned from all domestic and cup competitions as well as UEFA and FIFA competitions. Any player playing in this league is banned from international football.If they wish to return to their domestic leagues, they can do so as a phoenix club, at the lowest rung on the football ladder, with all previous records and titles expunged.

And if the clubs back down after this announcement (if it is made), they get docked 30 points this season and 30 points next season, banned from cup competitions in their home countries for two years, three year transfer ban and five year ban on European competition.

That's the only way you can stop them from trying to pull this again.
 
2021-04-18 2:38:21 PM  

Olympic Trolling Judge: FIFA, UEFA, and the national leagues are threatening to ban the clubs and their players from all other competition, domestic or international.

Forget the "death penalty".  Forget the "nuclear option".  That's a friggin' Exterminatus.


At this point, FIFA is more corrupt than USA Gymnastics ever was, so that may be an improvement.
 
2021-04-18 2:40:58 PM  

IlGreven: Olympic Trolling Judge: FIFA, UEFA, and the national leagues are threatening to ban the clubs and their players from all other competition, domestic or international.

Forget the "death penalty".  Forget the "nuclear option".  That's a friggin' Exterminatus.

At this point, FIFA is more corrupt than USA Gymnastics ever was, so that may be an improvement.


Fair point.  They're still doing the 2022 World Cup on the surface of the sun, right?  That plan hasn't changed any?
 
2021-04-18 2:44:33 PM  

NachoMama: Easy enough. Any club that does this immediately is banned from all domestic and cup competitions as well as UEFA and FIFA competitions. Any player playing in this league is banned from international football.If they wish to return to their domestic leagues, they can do so as a phoenix club, at the lowest rung on the football ladder, with all previous records and titles expunged.

And if the clubs back down after this announcement (if it is made), they get docked 30 points this season and 30 points next season, banned from cup competitions in their home countries for two years, three year transfer ban and five year ban on European competition.

That's the only way you can stop them from trying to pull this again.


FIFA and UEFA has already told all the clubs involved that if they go through with this, it *is* the kiss of death for the clubs and their players, as the clubs and all players involved will be under UEFA and FIFA bans from *all* UEFA and FIFA-sanctioned events as long as they participate in that Super League (and their original home-leagues will, more than likely, relegate them to the lowest level they can if they try to re-join.
 
2021-04-18 2:51:49 PM  

ClavellBCMI: NachoMama: Easy enough. Any club that does this immediately is banned from all domestic and cup competitions as well as UEFA and FIFA competitions. Any player playing in this league is banned from international football.If they wish to return to their domestic leagues, they can do so as a phoenix club, at the lowest rung on the football ladder, with all previous records and titles expunged.

And if the clubs back down after this announcement (if it is made), they get docked 30 points this season and 30 points next season, banned from cup competitions in their home countries for two years, three year transfer ban and five year ban on European competition.

That's the only way you can stop them from trying to pull this again.

FIFA and UEFA has already told all the clubs involved that if they go through with this, it *is* the kiss of death for the clubs and their players, as the clubs and all players involved will be under UEFA and FIFA bans from *all* UEFA and FIFA-sanctioned events as long as they participate in that Super League (and their original home-leagues will, more than likely, relegate them to the lowest level they can if they try to re-join.


Yeah, I was more thinking  about the other stuff.
If they make the announcement, and then back out of it, they need to face sanctions for trying it. Both as a punishment for trying to destroy the game, but as a deterrent to anyone trying it again.
 
2021-04-18 2:54:45 PM  

Olympic Trolling Judge: FIFA, UEFA, and the national leagues are threatening to ban the clubs and their players from all other competition, domestic or international.

Forget the "death penalty".  Forget the "nuclear option".  That's a friggin' Exterminatus.


FIFA, UEFA, and the Premier League will then go broke because nobody gives a fark about Stoke vs. FC Dynamo Breast,  and they are going to watch Manchester United vs. Barcelona.

The EPL was formed in the exact way, the tops teams were tired of giving money away. There's a reason that UEFA and the EPL are in full threat mode - they know the threat is real, will work, and will destroy them.

As to FIFA? I'd love them to ban the best players in the world from the World Cup. We could finally kill the damn thing then.
 
2021-04-18 2:59:45 PM  

E_Henry_Thripshaws_Disease: you mean soccer, NOT football


No, no they don't
 
2021-04-18 3:01:16 PM  

Olympic Trolling Judge: FIFA, UEFA, and the national leagues are threatening to ban the clubs and their players from all other competition, domestic or international.

Forget the "death penalty".  Forget the "nuclear option".  That's a friggin' Exterminatus.


Time to invest in these:
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2021-04-18 3:16:38 PM  

Olympic Trolling Judge: FIFA, UEFA, and the national leagues are threatening to ban the clubs and their players from all other competition, domestic or international.

Forget the "death penalty".  Forget the "nuclear option".  That's a friggin' Exterminatus.


And as a fan of one of those clubs reportedly in the breakaway league group, I say "Good."

These clubs don't remember why they exist and why they were founded in the first place. And it wouldn't surprise me if their local supporters tell the clubs to go fark themselves over this and the inevitable monster increases in tickets and everything else.
 
2021-04-18 3:21:38 PM  

desertgeek: Olympic Trolling Judge: FIFA, UEFA, and the national leagues are threatening to ban the clubs and their players from all other competition, domestic or international.

Forget the "death penalty".  Forget the "nuclear option".  That's a friggin' Exterminatus.

And as a fan of one of those clubs reportedly in the breakaway league group, I say "Good."

These clubs don't remember why they exist and why they were founded in the first place. And it wouldn't surprise me if their local supporters tell the clubs to go fark themselves over this and the inevitable monster increases in tickets and everything else.


All they can see is broadcasting and streaming rights fees and merchandising revenue. The fans mean nothing.
 
2021-04-18 3:55:00 PM  
Since I am a benevolent god and I wish for all of my children to be happy, I'll permit the usage of "football" and forgo the standard treatment since it is a direct quote. No thanks needed. You're welcome, though.
 
2021-04-18 3:59:58 PM  

I hereby demand that I be given a Fark account: As to FIFA? I'd love them to ban the best players in the world from the World Cup. We could finally kill the damn thing then.


The US might actually have a puncher's chance of winning the thing for once.
 
2021-04-18 4:34:50 PM  
Hey guys, what's going on in this thread?
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/the money will win in the end
 
2021-04-18 4:55:57 PM  

Trocadero: Hey guys, what's going on in this thread?
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/the money will win in the end


The NCAA didn't oversee top-tier college football for years well before the BcS came into existence. It's not the same.
 
2021-04-18 5:03:40 PM  
I haven't followed this much. Is the basic idea that a small group of clubs will form their own "big competition" and invite only a few outsiders?
So they get their playground and no one can kick them out?

That would be bad cause small clubs would never get a chance to reach the big time, right? Sort of like the primer league without promotion/relegation?
 
2021-04-18 5:38:59 PM  

Mr_H: I haven't followed this much. Is the basic idea that a small group of clubs will form their own "big competition" and invite only a few outsiders?
So they get their playground and no one can kick them out?

That would be bad cause small clubs would never get a chance to reach the big time, right? Sort of like the primer league without promotion/relegation?


Essentially, yes. But as someone said upthread, the money already floats to the top because just qualifying for the champions league puts you at a huge advantage over the rest of your domestic league.

Look at Olympiacos or Dynamo Zagreb. Small domestic leagues, plenty of real or hushed allegations of match fixing because winning the league means a minimum payout of around €10m directly from UEFA, even if you lose every game of the group. Plus you'll make money on TV rights, merch, etc.

I honestly don't know which is worse, the broken system in place now, or a closed league. I personally rarely watch the CL  after the group stage because there are no cinderellas left, but I'm probably an outlier. Plenty of fans want ManU vs Bayern week after week.

// Plus I read they gave up on Fifa financial fair play because of covid.
 
2021-04-18 5:42:44 PM  
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2021-04-18 5:56:27 PM  
And it's not as if what they're aiming to do here is create a replacement for their domestic leagues, they want to still play in those too. This is all about them having screwed their finances so bad they can't survive without the money from being in the champions league, so they want to change it so they will *always* have that income every year by changing it to be invite only.

Arsenal and Spurs have straight up not been good enough to deserve a champions league place next season. If this goes ahead, they'd get to play in it anyway and a team like West Ham who are playing out of their skins this year never will.

They were apparently going to release their statement today, but it seems that the various federations getting out ahead of it have made them take pause.

The back pages in the Uk tomorrow are going to be incandescent.
 
2021-04-18 6:07:56 PM  
I'd miss being a Liverpool supporter, but I'd get over it. A super league will never get a dime from me. I'd rather watch MLS. Kidding, I'd rather gouge my eyes out with a spoon than watch MLS.
 
2021-04-18 6:41:56 PM  

E_Henry_Thripshaws_Disease: you mean soccer, NOT football


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2021-04-18 6:51:57 PM  
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Man, they spared no expense on that logo.
 
2021-04-18 6:54:32 PM  
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2021-04-18 7:04:18 PM  
To be honest, I'll always love Liverpool and I'll never forget what the club has given me in my life, but I think I'm done with the game now. I managed to stick in there after the game was Skyjacked in the early 90s but I think this is the final straw for me.

QFT. But I'll always have 3Bundesliga! Well, for 4 more matches. Then I'll always have the regional league!
 
2021-04-18 7:04:28 PM  
well, they went and done it.. does UEFA/FIFA follow through on their threats?
 
2021-04-18 7:18:54 PM  

The Bestest: well, they went and done it.. does UEFA/FIFA follow through on their threats?


Abu Dhabi has a squadron of bagmen on their way probably, so my guess is no. Damn, I've been a Liverpool supporter since 1973. Gonna need another hobby.
 
2021-04-18 7:23:51 PM  
Well, looks like I'm a full-time Swansea City fan now.
 
2021-04-18 7:25:33 PM  

drewogatory: The Bestest: well, they went and done it.. does UEFA/FIFA follow through on their threats?

Abu Dhabi has a squadron of bagmen on their way probably, so my guess is no. Damn, I've been a Liverpool supporter since 1973. Gonna need another hobby.


It's supposedly being financially backed by JP Morgan, a US company.

And the clubs think that they can do this as a midweek league and still stay in their domestic leagues. That's farking laughable. The domestic leagues should just throw them out now.
 
2021-04-18 7:30:39 PM  
So... those clubs are willing to take on an aggregate debt of up to $6 billion just to ensure they don't have to share that potential broadcasting and streaming rights money with any other clubs, all while killing their local fan base and any hopes of those clubs seeing their players participate in their national leagues and international competitions, to include the World Cup and the Olympics, and all because they don't want to share that Champions League money with clubs that aren't the "big" clubs. When those super league clubs go bankrupt and get put into the hands of the courts to divide up the assets, I hope they enjoy the experience.
 
2021-04-18 7:32:01 PM  
LOL, Champions and Europa temporarily canceled.
 
2021-04-18 7:32:02 PM  

desertgeek: drewogatory: The Bestest: well, they went and done it.. does UEFA/FIFA follow through on their threats?

Abu Dhabi has a squadron of bagmen on their way probably, so my guess is no. Damn, I've been a Liverpool supporter since 1973. Gonna need another hobby.

It's supposedly being financially backed by JP Morgan, a US company.

And the clubs think that they can do this as a midweek league and still stay in their domestic leagues. That's farking laughable. The domestic leagues should just throw them out now.


The EPL will probably be the first league to show those clubs the door.
 
2021-04-18 7:33:39 PM  
They should announce that the ESL won't make use of VAR, that'd give people some conflicted feelings!

farking RAWK is gold right now.
 
2021-04-18 7:41:53 PM  
Liverpool put out something on this. On Twitter, I said the following:

F*ck your greed. This American is done with @LFC until the ownership comes to their senses and backs away from this doomed-for-failure BS.

I then unfollowed them on all social media, and their pages are getting flooded with anti-super league messages; including on posts having nothing to do with it (and they've only posted something about it on Twitter).
 
2021-04-18 7:44:41 PM  

drewogatory: LOL, Champions and Europa temporarily canceled.


Let's welcome your 2021 UEFA Champion PSG!
 
2021-04-18 7:49:11 PM  
So the "founding clubs" believe that this will make enough money to make solidarity payments to non-involved clubs approaching 10 billion Euros. That's probably more like the debt those clubs will combine to have when its all done.
 
2021-04-18 7:55:22 PM  

The Bestest: drewogatory: LOL, Champions and Europa temporarily canceled.

Let's welcome your 2021 UEFA Champion PSG!


Oh, PSG is going to be involved. They just weren't part of the initial announcement, but they'll be in there.
 
2021-04-18 7:57:43 PM  

desertgeek: So the "founding clubs" believe that this will make enough money to make solidarity payments to non-involved clubs approaching 10 billion Euros. That's probably more like the debt those clubs will combine to have when its all done.


Yep, as I said, they are willing to go into massive debt to try to grab *potential* revenue streams that may never happen because various European governments will likely bar the potential broadcasting rights carriers from signing the contracts if they want to continue to operate in their countries.
 
2021-04-18 7:58:49 PM  

desertgeek: The Bestest: drewogatory: LOL, Champions and Europa temporarily canceled.

Let's welcome your 2021 UEFA Champion PSG!

Oh, PSG is going to be involved. They just weren't part of the initial announcement, but they'll be in there.


Not if they want to keep playing in their current stadium (which is owned by the city of Paris, not the club).
 
2021-04-18 8:01:39 PM  

ClavellBCMI: desertgeek: So the "founding clubs" believe that this will make enough money to make solidarity payments to non-involved clubs approaching 10 billion Euros. That's probably more like the debt those clubs will combine to have when its all done.

Yep, as I said, they are willing to go into massive debt to try to grab *potential* revenue streams that may never happen because various European governments will likely bar the potential broadcasting rights carriers from signing the contracts if they want to continue to operate in their countries.


But it's not about European TV money. Never has been. It's about Asian and US TV money. It's about China, Japan, to a lesser extent India, and the US. Because if this actually happens, I promise you they'd get a hefty US tv deal. Definitely not to NFL levels, but maybe between NBA and MLB levels with the big clubs involved.
 
2021-04-18 8:09:46 PM  

desertgeek: ClavellBCMI: desertgeek: So the "founding clubs" believe that this will make enough money to make solidarity payments to non-involved clubs approaching 10 billion Euros. That's probably more like the debt those clubs will combine to have when its all done.

Yep, as I said, they are willing to go into massive debt to try to grab *potential* revenue streams that may never happen because various European governments will likely bar the potential broadcasting rights carriers from signing the contracts if they want to continue to operate in their countries.

But it's not about European TV money. Never has been. It's about Asian and US TV money. It's about China, Japan, to a lesser extent India, and the US. Because if this actually happens, I promise you they'd get a hefty US tv deal. Definitely not to NFL levels, but maybe between NBA and MLB levels with the big clubs involved.


Didn't say it was about the European TV rights, I was saying the various European governments would block *any* TV rights deals, or, barring that, they would charge the clubs a fee equal to the rights payments to the clubs to make sure the clubs never saw a penny of those rights fees.
 
2021-04-18 8:12:23 PM  

ClavellBCMI: desertgeek: The Bestest: drewogatory: LOL, Champions and Europa temporarily canceled.

Let's welcome your 2021 UEFA Champion PSG!

Oh, PSG is going to be involved. They just weren't part of the initial announcement, but they'll be in there.

Not if they want to keep playing in their current stadium (which is owned by the city of Paris, not the club).


... I never thought the exact level of intransigeance of the French public service in a given week would have a material effect on European soccer when the FFF weren't bidding to host a tournament, but here we are...

/ allez qui joue contre PSG
\\ ils vont trouver un beau stade en banlieue de Doha, j'en suis sûr
/// I might have an iota of respect for this whole CF if they announce the next three founder clubs are (say) Boca, Corinthians, and Flamengo
 
2021-04-18 8:13:04 PM  
Juventus has reportedly quit the European Club Association, the group that was representing the clubs in discussions with UEFA over the new UCL format.

Interestingly, while FIFA might be saying they're against it; they haven't denied that they've had discussions with the clubs about this. This could easily be a UEFA vs FIFA situation too, as they haven't seen eye-to-eye for a long time.
 
2021-04-18 8:15:24 PM  

desertgeek: Juventus has reportedly quit the European Club Association, the group that was representing the clubs in discussions with UEFA over the new UCL format.


And so has the Big Six PL clubs, along with the other "founding" clubs
 
2021-04-18 8:22:14 PM  
I can already see the sharks disguised as lawyers circling the chum that was thrown in the water with the ESL announcement. This is gonna be messy and protracted, and a lot of people are going to come out of it looking like fools.
 
2021-04-18 8:26:57 PM  
..also, I think i read somewhere that there's something about German law that would prevent any of their teams from joining? Something about public ownership?
 
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