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(Wikipedia)   79 years ago 80 men with balls bigger than the aircraft they flew in did two things that had never been done before, flying Army bombers from an aircraft carrier, & attacking the home islands of Japan. They're all gone now but the memory lives on   (en.wikipedia.org) divider line
    More: Hero, Doolittle Raid, B-25B Mitchell, Japanese capital Tokyo, Lieutenant Colonel James Doolittle, honorary member of the Raider group, U.S. Army Air Forces, air raid, Tokyo Raid  
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2021-04-18 10:13:54 AM  
"Doolittle initially believed that the loss of all his aircraft would lead to his court-martial, but he instead received the Medal of Honor and was promoted two ranks to brigadier general."

That must have come as quite the surprise.
 
2021-04-18 10:29:47 AM  

qorkfiend: "Doolittle initially believed that the loss of all his aircraft would lead to his court-martial, but he instead received the Medal of Honor and was promoted two ranks to brigadier general."

That must have come as quite the surprise.


I wonder if they had still waited and launched 170 miles closer if the planes might have had just enough fuel to make it to landing.
 
2021-04-18 10:55:00 AM  
Doolittle Raiders Final Toast
Youtube SDKPYpkU5Cg
 
2021-04-18 11:09:05 AM  
I've always marvelled at the sight of fairly large bombers taking off from the deck of a WWII aircraft carrier.
 
2021-04-18 11:58:10 AM  

KarmicDisaster: qorkfiend: "Doolittle initially believed that the loss of all his aircraft would lead to his court-martial, but he instead received the Medal of Honor and was promoted two ranks to brigadier general."

That must have come as quite the surprise.

I wonder if they had still waited and launched 170 miles closer if the planes might have had just enough fuel to make it to landing.


Probably. The risk to the carriers was too great, though.
 
2021-04-18 12:16:19 PM  

KarmicDisaster: I wonder if they had still waited and launched 170 miles closer if the planes might have had just enough fuel to make it to landing.


Maybe, however after being reported by the fishing boat pickets, the point was rather moot as they had to launch & haul ass out of there.

From TFA, 12 of the 16 planes crashed in China (3 ditched at sea, one to Russia).

Also from TFA "If Claire Lee Chennault had been informed of the mission specifics, the outcome might have been very much better for the Americans. Chennault had built an effective air surveillance net in China that would have been extremely helpful in bringing the planes in for safe landings. The lack of visible beacons in the dark forced them to bail out.[52]
Chinese airfield crews recounted that due to the unexpectedly early arrivals of the B-25s, homing beacon and runway torch lights were not on for fear of possible Japanese airstrikes as happened before.
"

One has to wonder how many of the 12 could have landed, refueled, & taken off again towards morning. 6-8?  Not that it would have really mattered all 'that' much, but it would have really confused Japanese intelligence gathering even more than they were already confused as to what happened.

Brave men indeed.  Amazing really that so many survived what I'm sure most considered a suicide mission.
 
2021-04-18 12:43:15 PM  
Men With Aircraft Sized Balls is the name of my Men Without Hats cover band.
 
2021-04-18 12:45:30 PM  
138 - America Strikes Back - Tokyo in Flames - WW2 - April 18 1942
Youtube MVUC9J75Bjg


Speaking of.......
 
2021-04-18 12:47:44 PM  
And Japan invaded the Aletians becuase they believed the bombers had come from there.  For a country that makes five robots assemble in o one giant robot, they had a hard time believing bombers could fly off an aircraft carrier.
 
2021-04-18 12:49:22 PM  
There's a marker near Elgin AFB near Defuniak Springs where they practiced.
 
2021-04-18 12:52:24 PM  
/And now 30% of the US military refuse to get a shot to protect their country.
 
2021-04-18 12:53:53 PM  
The USS Hornet museum in Alameda does special stuff for the anniversary every year.  It's not the ship they launched from (it's CV-12, the one named after it after CV-8 was sunk), but it's as close as we can get, and it's berthed right around where CV-8 sailed from for the mission.
 
2021-04-18 12:56:37 PM  
Honest question... Do the soldiers involved in these missions even have a choice? Is it on a volunteer basis once you get deployed/or for particularly important missions?
 
2021-04-18 1:00:14 PM  

SecondaryControl: /And now 30% of the US military refuse to get a shot to protect their country.


And that's when they're not pulling this type of shiat.
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2021-04-18 1:04:57 PM  
Harry Freakstorm:

I have never heard that. I don't doubt you, I always thought aleutians were a feint away from the much bigger battle of midway and we didn't take the bait.
 
2021-04-18 1:05:14 PM  

Bslim: SecondaryControl: /And now 30% of the US military refuse to get a shot to protect their country.

And that's when they're not pulling this type of shiat.
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They should be spending the rest of their lives in Leavenworth.
 
2021-04-18 1:05:33 PM  

khitsicker: [iFrame https://www.youtube.com/embed/SDKPYpkU​5Cg?autoplay=1&widget_referrer=https%3​A%2F%2Fwww.fark.com&start=0&enablejsap​i=1&origin=https%3A%2F%2Fwww.fark.com&​widgetid=1]


Imagine waiting decades while all your comrades die off to in order to drink to their memory, and then have to do it in front of a crowd of gawkers while stuffed shirts make endless speeches.
 
2021-04-18 1:11:21 PM  
i was in grade school and a teacher read 30 seconds over toyko to us aloud. yeah that was a weird book to read to 11 year old kids in school. anyway the teacher remarked about the pilots being hurt and only having a few aspirin in their medical kits. i raised my hand and said but didn't the locals secretly helping them have opium, booze and other painkillers to give the pilots.
 
2021-04-18 1:11:42 PM  

SecondaryControl: /And now 30% of the US military refuse to get a shot to protect their country.


Yeah, but those guys in WWII used racial slurs.
 
2021-04-18 1:11:55 PM  
30 Seconds over Tokyo is a great read
 
2021-04-18 1:15:17 PM  
The Doolittle Raid wasn't a kitten drop?
 
2021-04-18 1:15:59 PM  

God_Almighty_Himself: Bslim: SecondaryControl: /And now 30% of the US military refuse to get a shot to protect their country.

And that's when they're not pulling this type of shiat.
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They should be spending the rest of their lives in Leavenworth.


Farking traitors. That wouldn't be permitted if their CO's weren't simpatico.
 
2021-04-18 1:17:02 PM  
The raid caused negligible material damage to Japan, but it had major psychological effects. In the United States, it raised morale. In Japan, it raised doubt about the ability of military leaders to defend the home islands, but the bombing and strafing of civilians also steeled Japanese resolve to gain retribution, and this was exploited for propaganda purposes

You have to admire a military operation whose basic purpose is just to say "FARK YOU" to the enemy.

It also pushed forward Admiral Isoroku Yamamoto's plans to attack Midway Island in the Central Pacific, an attack that turned into a decisive defeat of the Imperial Japanese Navy (IJN) by the U.S. Navy in the Battle of Midway.

Of course, trolling the enemy is a good thing if it leads them to making hasty, ill-thought responses.

The consequences were most severely felt in China, where Japanese reprisals caused the deaths of 250,000 civilians and 70,000 soldiers.

And this is why we ended up using nuclear weapons on Japan.  I don't think anything else would've taught them to chill out.
 
2021-04-18 1:18:30 PM  

Fark_Guy_Rob: Honest question... Do the soldiers involved in these missions even have a choice? Is it on a volunteer basis once you get deployed/or for particularly important missions?


Sometimes yes, but mostly no. Depends on the mission and the level of secrecy involved. In many situations the participants have no idea what the mission objectives or details are aside from the logistics/mechanics of their roles. You're sometimes able to put two and two together and speculate about what you're doing, but for many it's a standard procedure (write your mom, pack some extra smokes, etc.) since you never know what mission is going to be the important/big one, or whether you will ever return from it. And if you don't return, it doesn't matter anyway.

/And many of the important missions, turning points, etc. in wars are not recognized as such until well after the fact, and most weren't intended to be. "For want of a nail" and all that.
 
2021-04-18 1:19:58 PM  

pacmanner: [YouTube video: 138 - America Strikes Back - Tokyo in Flames - WW2 - April 18 1942]

Speaking of.......


I discovered this series a couple months back.  Actaully watched all of them up to this week in that time.

It's good to have a WW2 YouTube series that is not being made by a conspiracy nut or someone who is just a little too obsessed with the exploits of the Waffen SS
 
2021-04-18 1:20:22 PM  

Fark_Guy_Rob: Honest question... Do the soldiers involved in these missions even have a choice? Is it on a volunteer basis once you get deployed/or for particularly important missions?


This was a volunteer mission due to the special dangers involved. At least for the plane commanders. Crew members weren't especially known for refusing to go where their CO went.
 
2021-04-18 1:20:58 PM  

khitsicker: [Youtube-video https://www.youtube.com/embed/SDKPYpkU​5Cg]


Came for a toast. Leaving satisfied.
 
jvl [BareFark]
2021-04-18 1:23:02 PM  

Bslim: Men With Aircraft Sized Balls is the name of my Men Without Hats cover band.


We can dance if we want to
If only we could leave these behind
Cause when the iron hangs down
And it really hangs down
It's hard to move around
 
2021-04-18 1:23:30 PM  

Bslim: SecondaryControl: /And now 30% of the US military refuse to get a shot to protect their country.

And that's when they're not pulling this type of shiat.
[images03.military.com image 750x500]


Most of the military voted against Trump.  He had a sizable showing, but for a group that normally votes 70 percent plus Republican, the fact that they mostly went for Biden over him shows that Trump was not the respected military genius he claimed to be.
 
2021-04-18 1:26:54 PM  

Mouser: The raid caused negligible material damage to Japan, but it had major psychological effects. In the United States, it raised morale. In Japan, it raised doubt about the ability of military leaders to defend the home islands, but the bombing and strafing of civilians also steeled Japanese resolve to gain retribution, and this was exploited for propaganda purposes

You have to admire a military operation whose basic purpose is just to say "FARK YOU" to the enemy.

It also pushed forward Admiral Isoroku Yamamoto's plans to attack Midway Island in the Central Pacific, an attack that turned into a decisive defeat of the Imperial Japanese Navy (IJN) by the U.S. Navy in the Battle of Midway.

Of course, trolling the enemy is a good thing if it leads them to making hasty, ill-thought responses.

The consequences were most severely felt in China, where Japanese reprisals caused the deaths of 250,000 civilians and 70,000 soldiers.

And this is why we ended up using nuclear weapons on Japan.  I don't think anything else would've taught them to chill out.


What if we had dropped used women's underwear and comic books on them?
 
2021-04-18 1:26:56 PM  
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right?
 
2021-04-18 1:29:00 PM  

Unobtanium: I've always marvelled at the sight of fairly large bombers taking off from the deck of a WWII aircraft carrier.


It was at first considered 'impossible'. The birds were heavily modified and the training was intense. (Owing to the fact no one had ever done that before).
 
2021-04-18 1:31:29 PM  

winedrinkingman: Bslim: SecondaryControl: /And now 30% of the US military refuse to get a shot to protect their country.

And that's when they're not pulling this type of shiat.
[images03.military.com image 750x500]

Most of the military voted against Trump.  He had a sizable showing, but for a group that normally votes 70 percent plus Republican, the fact that they mostly went for Biden over him shows that Trump was not the respected military genius he claimed to be.


This is a lie.
 
2021-04-18 1:31:57 PM  

SecondaryControl: /And now 30% of the US military refuse to get a shot to protect their country.


Then make it mandatory.  I'm pretty sure you can't refuse your shots(i.e. anthrax) before you get deployed overseas.
 
2021-04-18 1:36:10 PM  
So the aircraft had tiny balls. You don't have to go pointing it out EVERY 80 YEARS.
 
2021-04-18 1:37:31 PM  

FlippityFlap: SecondaryControl: /And now 30% of the US military refuse to get a shot to protect their country.

Then make it mandatory.  I'm pretty sure you can't refuse your shots(i.e. anthrax) before you get deployed overseas.


They can't because it's still in Emergency Use.
 
2021-04-18 1:38:26 PM  
....I got to meet all the surviving Raiders at the 2002 reunion here in Columbia - they got treated like rock stars, and the line to meet them actually went out the door and onto the street.  An amazing group of men, and every last one of them would have done it all again.

/And they all considered Doolittle a hero
 
2021-04-18 1:42:35 PM  

KarmicDisaster: qorkfiend: "Doolittle initially believed that the loss of all his aircraft would lead to his court-martial, but he instead received the Medal of Honor and was promoted two ranks to brigadier general."

That must have come as quite the surprise.

I wonder if they had still waited and launched 170 miles closer if the planes might have had just enough fuel to make it to landing.


Maybe Hornet and/or Enterprise are spotted and sunk and the entire course of the Pacific war is changed, with the Doolittle Raid remembered with disdain.

One never knows. Alternate histories are never what they seem.
 
2021-04-18 1:43:46 PM  

Fark_Guy_Rob: Honest question... Do the soldiers involved in these missions even have a choice? Is it on a volunteer basis once you get deployed/or for particularly important missions?


In the case of the Doolittle raid, they were volunteers.  They only knew it was an "extremely hazardous" mission, but otherwise didn't know any details.
 
2021-04-18 1:45:19 PM  
Do little bombing raids in '42
Do lots bombing raids were in '45
 
2021-04-18 1:45:26 PM  

SecondaryControl: /And now 30% of the US military refuse to get a shot to protect their country.


When the first COVID case was reported at my command we had servicemembers break out in tears for fear of their life.
 
2021-04-18 1:46:58 PM  
Got to wondering if Commodore Perry biotch slapped to local leaders when he arrived the interpretation of Anglos would have given pause to consider US resolve.
 
2021-04-18 1:47:01 PM  
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2021-04-18 1:47:48 PM  

Fark_Guy_Rob: Honest question... Do the soldiers involved in these missions even have a choice? Is it on a volunteer basis once you get deployed/or for particularly important missions?


It seems like a good leader would let you opt out of a suicide mission, but I doubt it is really feasible from a command standpoint.
 
2021-04-18 1:49:27 PM  

darch: God_Almighty_Himself: Bslim: SecondaryControl: /And now 30% of the US military refuse to get a shot to protect their country.

And that's when they're not pulling this type of shiat.
[images03.military.com image 750x500]

They should be spending the rest of their lives in Leavenworth.

Farking traitors. That wouldn't be permitted if their CO's weren't simpatico.


I was the CO. I offered to fire a servicemember for refusing to do her job. I was charged with harassment and re-assigned. 3 months later I was cleared of charges but the re-assignment stuck.
 
2021-04-18 1:51:39 PM  

Shatners Agent: Got to wondering if Commodore Perry biotch slapped to local leaders when he arrived the interpretation of Anglos would have given pause to consider US resolve.


And bravo to the resolve of those brave crews.

One weird fact is the dirigible that provided B-25 mission supplies to the Hornet became lore as the ghost airship.
 
2021-04-18 1:51:56 PM  

FlippityFlap: SecondaryControl: /And now 30% of the US military refuse to get a shot to protect their country.

Then make it mandatory.  I'm pretty sure you can't refuse your shots(i.e. anthrax) before you get deployed overseas.


I heard the issue is the DOD can only mandate it once it has full FDA approval. Emergency authorization doesn't give the military the ability to mandate it, or something like that
 
2021-04-18 1:54:32 PM  

kozlo: Harry Freakstorm:

I have never heard that. I don't doubt you, I always thought aleutians were a feint away from the much bigger battle of midway and we didn't take the bait.


I've never heard that the attack on the Aleutians was because the Japanese believed the bombers came from there. But no, that operation was completely independent of the Midway plan, and I believe was very much opposed to by Yamamoto. He was all about concentrated force, and the last thing he would want it to risk the success of Midway by dividing his biggest assett.
A bit off topic, but to me the really interesting thing about Midway that IMO gets completely overlooked -
A lover of poker, Yamamoto knew that beating the US would depend on winning a few huge, decisive battles, whereas the US overall plan was a slow and steady battle of attrition. But at Midway, Nimitz chose to gamble BIG. Had the overall battle been a loss for the US, as in losing two or three carriers while the IJN lost only one or none, we would have really been on our heels in the Pacific.
 
2021-04-18 1:59:56 PM  
"79 years ago 80 men with balls bigger than the aircraft they flew..."

TIL: At least some aircraft have testicles.

(Five minutes later)

Oh wow.... do not search for that on Google image search!

(zzzzzip)
 
DVD
2021-04-18 2:06:41 PM  

Bennie Crabtree: winedrinkingman: Bslim: SecondaryControl: /And now 30% of the US military refuse to get a shot to protect their country.

And that's when they're not pulling this type of shiat.
[images03.military.com image 750x500]

Most of the military voted against Trump.  He had a sizable showing, but for a group that normally votes 70 percent plus Republican, the fact that they mostly went for Biden over him shows that Trump was not the respected military genius he claimed to be.

This is a lie.


__________

Exit polls were showing that the vote was about half and half, with a little variance depending on the poll.
 
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