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(Engadget)   Got your ass to da choppa on Mars, April 19   (engadget.com) divider line
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2021-04-17 6:21:19 PM  
Persévérance news has been the reliably happiest I've read in the past month.

Most else seems to suck.
 
2021-04-17 8:36:25 PM  
Someone needs to clear that dust off the solar pan ... oh, right.

/ Quick, get E.T. on the phone.
 
2021-04-17 9:08:48 PM  
To hell with low Earth orbit travel. I would pay $100,999.99 to pilot that thing for five minutes.
 
2021-04-17 10:10:25 PM  

Ragin' Asian: To hell with low Earth orbit travel. I would pay $100,999.99 to pilot that thing for five minutes.


Might want to ask for more time, even at closest approach that's only enough time for a signal to get there.
 
2021-04-17 10:40:06 PM  

Ragin' Asian: To hell with low Earth orbit travel. I would pay $100,999.99 to pilot that thing for five minutes.


She pilots herself. All that can be done on Earth is to say, "OK, Percy, take off, hover 30 seconds, land."

Some 20 minutes later, when Percy gets the command, she takes off, hovers....

And some 20 minutes after that, people on Earth get to find out what happened.
 
2021-04-17 11:34:31 PM  
Flight "no earlier than" 3:30 EDT, 4/19/2021 (h:mm/m/dd/yyyy).

I'm excited!
 
2021-04-17 11:36:30 PM  
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2021-04-17 11:51:16 PM  
Anyone know why they keep delaying this?
 
2021-04-18 12:31:21 AM  

Nonrepeating Rotating Binary: Anyone know why they keep delaying this?


Software updates after a test didn't go entirely as expected. We wouldn't want our one and only Mars helicopter to crash on its first flight due to a misplaced semicolon in the code or misinterpreted sensor data now would we?
 
2021-04-18 12:41:43 AM  

Nonrepeating Rotating Binary: Anyone know why they keep delaying this?


The rover crashed on the way to Mars, and they are still trying to hide it.  Faking pictures from the surface is easy (we have sent surface rovers before), but they haven't quite figured out how to fake the helicopter photos yet since they will come from top down from 100 feet up rather than ground rover level.
 
2021-04-18 12:50:31 AM  

Nonrepeating Rotating Binary: Anyone know why they keep delaying this?


Decepticons.
 
2021-04-18 12:57:34 AM  

LurkerSupreme: Nonrepeating Rotating Binary: Anyone know why they keep delaying this?

Software updates after a test didn't go entirely as expected. We wouldn't want our one and only Mars helicopter to crash on its first flight due to a misplaced semicolon in the code or misinterpreted sensor data now would we?


Yeah, googled it and see it was some problems with the startup sequence throwing a 'shut it down' result. I'm just really impatient with this thing and want the rover to move on to some of the more interesting terrain features.
 
2021-04-18 1:18:30 AM  

Nonrepeating Rotating Binary: Yeah, googled it and see it was some problems with the startup sequence throwing a 'shut it down' result. I'm just really impatient with this thing and want the rover to move on to some of the more interesting terrain features.


Then you're going to have a real problem with living off the Earth.

There are two kinds of problems in spaceflight. The "Kill you right now" problems and the "Kill you if you make the wrong choice" problems.

The first ones you have to avoid, period. The second?

Well, see, there's a very old game called NetHack. It was released in 1987, version 3.6.6 was released on 8-March-2020. This game is an internet developed version of Hack, which was the direct descendant of Rouge. Literally every game that describes itself as a "Rougelike" is actually a descendant of this game. (And yes, it's still under development.)

And the most important thing about playing Nethack? You control the clock. Once it's your turn, nothing happens until you do something. You can think all you want about what to do next, and you're not penalized for it. The fastest way to die is to set rest_on_space to TRUEand hammer the space bar. Why? Because every time you do "nothing" by waiting, everything else gets to move.

This is that other case. They don't have to fly the copter now. So, they won't launch it if they think that there's a problem, because, well, if you hit space at the wrong time, the newt kills you and, well...

The newt bites. You die... --More--
Do you want your possessions identified?

NASA is not hitting the space bar. They did X, they got a return they didn't expect. There's no reason to rush launching the helo. Figure out what the best course of action is, do the first step of that, and see what the response is. Do not rush, the single biggest reason that players in NetHack and spacecraft die is somebody rushed. Sometimes, you have to rush....but almost always, you don't.

So NASA isn't rushing, because, like NetHack, if you die? You are dead. There is no save file.

\ NetHack players have a acronym for the "go too fast and die" moment. YASD.
\\ Yet Another Stupid Death
\\\ When you need to kill a bit of time, you type "10." and don't wail on the space bar.
\\\\ rest_on_space FALSE
 
2021-04-18 1:31:40 AM  

I hereby demand that I be given a Fark account: which was the direct descendant of Rouge. Literally every game that describes itself as a "Rougelike" is actually a descendant of this game.


Every time I read that name I see red.
 
2021-04-18 8:39:01 AM  
I don't think subby has thought his cunning plan all the way through.

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2021-04-18 9:37:43 AM  

Nonrepeating Rotating Binary: Anyone know why they keep delaying this?


NASA has to doctor the images so Mars looksround.  There would be egg on everyone's face if they accidentally released images of a disc-shaped planet with no horizon.
 
2021-04-18 10:53:54 AM  

I hereby demand that I be given a Fark account: Nonrepeating Rotating Binary: Yeah, googled it and see it was some problems with the startup sequence throwing a 'shut it down' result. I'm just really impatient with this thing and want the rover to move on to some of the more interesting terrain features.

Then you're going to have a real problem with living off the Earth.

There are two kinds of problems in spaceflight. The "Kill you right now" problems and the "Kill you if you make the wrong choice" problems.

The first ones you have to avoid, period. The second?

Well, see, there's a very old game called NetHack. It was released in 1987, version 3.6.6 was released on 8-March-2020. This game is an internet developed version of Hack, which was the direct descendant of Rouge. Literally every game that describes itself as a "Rougelike" is actually a descendant of this game. (And yes, it's still under development.)

And the most important thing about playing Nethack? You control the clock. Once it's your turn, nothing happens until you do something. You can think all you want about what to do next, and you're not penalized for it. The fastest way to die is to set rest_on_space to TRUEand hammer the space bar. Why? Because every time you do "nothing" by waiting, everything else gets to move.

This is that other case. They don't have to fly the copter now. So, they won't launch it if they think that there's a problem, because, well, if you hit space at the wrong time, the newt kills you and, well...

The newt bites. You die... --More--
Do you want your possessions identified?

NASA is not hitting the space bar. They did X, they got a return they didn't expect. There's no reason to rush launching the helo. Figure out what the best course of action is, do the first step of that, and see what the response is. Do not rush, the single biggest reason that players in NetHack and spacecraft die is somebody rushed. Sometimes, you have to rush....but almost always, you don't.

So NASA isn't rushing, because, like NetHack, if you die? You are dead. There is no save file.

\ NetHack players have a acronym for the "go too fast and die" moment. YASD.
\\ Yet Another Stupid Death
\\\ When you need to kill a bit of time, you type "10." and don't wail on the space bar.
\\\\ rest_on_space FALSE


The old computer game was called Rogue. Rouge is the game NASA is playing now.
 
2021-04-18 11:56:18 AM  
While they can simulate the atmosphere on Mars they can't simulate the gravity. 
While testing up to full rotor RPM a watchdog timer shut it down.
They're tweaking the timing of the transition to flight mode.
 
2021-04-18 12:22:05 PM  

Kinan: While they can simulate the atmosphere on Mars they can't simulate the gravity.


Actually... while it doesn't work perfectly, for a simple straight-up-and-down test they can put it on a tether that pulls upwards with the right amount of force to effectively reduce the g on the craft to Martian levels.  The large pressure chamber is probably a bigger annoyance to deal with.

Of course, that still wouldn't give you a proper understanding of any dust raised by the rotor wash, but I doubt that's what they're testing for.  If that's a problem, the helicopter is done for anyway.
 
2021-04-18 12:46:02 PM  
Byline:  Jon Fingas

Not quite as fetching a name as "Edward Scissorhands", but OK.
 
2021-04-18 1:48:16 PM  

I hereby demand that I be given a Fark account: So NASA isn't rushing, because, like NetHack, if you die? You are dead. There is no save file.

\ NetHack players have a acronym for the "go too fast and die" moment. YASD.
\\ Yet Another Stupid Death
\\\ When you need to kill a bit of time, you type "10." and don't wail on the space bar.
\\\\ rest_on_space FALSE


With Rogue, I wrote .bat files to copy and restore my save.  Every so often, I'd exit the game, back up my file and then play again, confident in the knowledge my save was safe.
 
2021-04-18 3:14:18 PM  

Nonrepeating Rotating Binary: Anyone know why they keep delaying this?


So you would have enough time to crank one off.
 
2021-04-18 3:15:10 PM  

LurkerSupreme: Nonrepeating Rotating Binary: Anyone know why they keep delaying this?

Software updates after a test didn't go entirely as expected. We wouldn't want our one and only Mars helicopter to crash on its first flight due to a misplaced semicolon in the code or misinterpreted sensor data now would we?


Of course you want it to crash!!

It runs Linux
 
2021-04-18 3:16:35 PM  

Nonrepeating Rotating Binary: LurkerSupreme: Nonrepeating Rotating Binary: Anyone know why they keep delaying this?

Software updates after a test didn't go entirely as expected. We wouldn't want our one and only Mars helicopter to crash on its first flight due to a misplaced semicolon in the code or misinterpreted sensor data now would we?

Yeah, googled it and see it was some problems with the startup sequence throwing a 'shut it down' result. I'm just really impatient with this thing and want the rover to move on to some of the more interesting terrain features.


It would help if you would release your joystick.
 
2021-04-18 3:18:09 PM  

I hereby demand that I be given a Fark account: Nonrepeating Rotating Binary: Yeah, googled it and see it was some problems with the startup sequence throwing a 'shut it down' result. I'm just really impatient with this thing and want the rover to move on to some of the more interesting terrain features.

Then you're going to have a real problem with living off the Earth.

There are two kinds of problems in spaceflight. The "Kill you right now" problems and the "Kill you if you make the wrong choice" problems.

The first ones you have to avoid, period. The second?

Well, see, there's a very old game called NetHack. It was released in 1987, version 3.6.6 was released on 8-March-2020. This game is an internet developed version of Hack, which was the direct descendant of Rouge. Literally every game that describes itself as a "Rougelike" is actually a descendant of this game. (And yes, it's still under development.)

And the most important thing about playing Nethack? You control the clock. Once it's your turn, nothing happens until you do something. You can think all you want about what to do next, and you're not penalized for it. The fastest way to die is to set rest_on_space to TRUEand hammer the space bar. Why? Because every time you do "nothing" by waiting, everything else gets to move.

This is that other case. They don't have to fly the copter now. So, they won't launch it if they think that there's a problem, because, well, if you hit space at the wrong time, the newt kills you and, well...

The newt bites. You die... --More--
Do you want your possessions identified?

NASA is not hitting the space bar. They did X, they got a return they didn't expect. There's no reason to rush launching the helo. Figure out what the best course of action is, do the first step of that, and see what the response is. Do not rush, the single biggest reason that players in NetHack and spacecraft die is somebody rushed. Sometimes, you have to rush....but almost always, you don't.

So NASA isn't rushing, because, like NetHack, if you die? You are dead. There is no save file.

\ NetHack players have a acronym for the "go too fast and die" moment. YASD.
\\ Yet Another Stupid Death
\\\ When you need to kill a bit of time, you type "10." and don't wail on the space bar.
\\\\ rest_on_space FALSE


Spending billions in public money on space is not a game.
 
2021-04-18 4:31:28 PM  

SansNeural: Byline:  Jon Fingas

Not quite as fetching a name as "Edward Scissorhands", but OK.


Fark user imageView Full Size
 
2021-04-18 4:56:39 PM  
Kudos to my great-nephew, who was involved in designing the prototype.
 
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