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(Axios)   The robots are coming for your office job. They will schedule meetings, approve expense requests, and submit TPS reports in triplicate without complaining or soliciting your input   (axios.com) divider line
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650 clicks; posted to Business » and STEM » on 17 Apr 2021 at 6:41 PM (4 weeks ago)   |   Favorite    |   share:  Share on Twitter share via Email Share on Facebook



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2021-04-17 4:16:22 PM  
Not my job.
 
ZAZ [TotalFark]
2021-04-17 6:27:01 PM  
Can they automatically take whatever I'm doing and turn it into an OKR followed by a report of successful completion?
 
2021-04-17 6:47:10 PM  
Wouldn't fly at any company I've worked for. If bots did the mundane and repetitive work, who would the bosses scream at when things didn't work as they planned?
 
2021-04-17 6:56:07 PM  
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2021-04-17 7:17:27 PM  
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2021-04-17 7:18:58 PM  
Can they fix a "new and improved" IT ticket system that requires me to wait a month for approval to install freeware applications?

/at least they got rid of the system that only worked with an ancient version of Internet Explorer
//IT is the natural enemy of productivity
 
2021-04-17 7:26:48 PM  
The problem isn't robots taking over menial and repetitive tasks.

It's that we require people to labor in order to earn the right to live. It's a stupid, evil system, and the advent of robots is showing us just how stupid and evil it is.
 
2021-04-17 7:37:35 PM  
Hopefully the scheduling bots will have the capacity to deny meeting requests that could have been an email.
 
2021-04-17 7:39:37 PM  

GodComplex: Wouldn't fly at any company I've worked for. If bots did the mundane and repetitive work, who would the bosses scream at when things didn't work as they planned?


Done right, the bosses get eliminated because they have no one to supervise (and yell at).
 
2021-04-17 7:42:21 PM  
Not scared, can't program a machine to replace me. Not cause I'm smart or anything like that, management keeps changing expectations for what everyone is supposed to do and the resources they have to get it done. You could probably make a bot that scrolls thorough fark and brings donuts as a good first step.
 
2021-04-17 7:55:19 PM  
Awesome!
 
2021-04-17 8:00:58 PM  

TheWordGuy: Not scared, can't program a machine to replace me. Not cause I'm smart or anything like that, management keeps changing expectations for what everyone is supposed to do and the resources they have to get it done. You could probably make a bot that scrolls thorough fark and brings donuts as a good first step.


A robot might not be able to replace you, but based on that description I know quite a few people who are eminently suitable for your position. You'd better watch out!

As for the rest: "Go away or I will replace you with a very small shell script" is not a new joke.
 
2021-04-17 8:01:41 PM  
The work I do isn't to eliminate current employees, it's to reduce the number of future hires needed. You're not going to lose your job from my work, but you're kid will probably never be hired.
 
2021-04-17 8:02:27 PM  

davidphogan: The work I do isn't to eliminate current employees, it's to reduce the number of future hires needed. You're not going to lose your job from my work, but you're kid will probably never be hired.


Please blame any misspellings on the local AI.
 
2021-04-17 8:14:44 PM  

fragMasterFlash: //IT is the natural enemy of productivity


It's probably your security team. I'm in IT in research computing, and almost everything we spin up helps people work faster. If IT is slowing you down, you have a management problem somewhere.

The best employee I currently have on my time is also the laziest human being I've ever met. He will spend weeks writing code to automate tasks he may only have to do once a month.

We run a shared cluster at a university and occasionally researchers will make a mistake and start filling up the storage quickly (think 100's of terabytes over a few hours). While we had alerts to ping the team if the disk started filling up, they could come in overnight and you'd have to spend 30 minutes or so tracking down the problem job (there are usually hundreds of jobs running at once) and then shut it down and email the user. This farker automated all that. The alert triggers a script he wrote, it scours the running jobs, finds the one filling up the disk, pauses the job, emails the user, suspends the user's account until we reactivate it, and emails the sysadmins with a reminder and a calendar entry to follow up with the user.

He's been with us for five years, and I hope we never lose him. I asked him why he had this compulsive need to automate everything and he told me flat out "being on call cuts into my drinking time." Apparently he doesn't want to have to get up in the middle of the night (or can't, because he's drunk) so he sees automation as a reward mechanism. I buy that man bottles of scotch every chance I get. I've never seen such productive crippling alcoholism.
 
kab
2021-04-17 8:37:00 PM  
Good!  The fewer employed people we have, the quicker we can move to a post-capitalism society.  Bring it right the fark on.

/also, I've been reading some variation of this article as long as I've been on FARK.   Right along with "your vehicle will be fully autonomous in 5 years" tripe.
 
2021-04-17 8:37:46 PM  
This is nothing new.  My dad was a bureaucrat for DMAAC* starting in the late 1970's.  Back then the federal government had thousands of office secretaries, basically multiple office workers would share a secretary to do their typing and handle appointments etc...  That job got phased out when every worker got their own PC**.

Office work hasn't been hit as hard as manufacturing because it requires more flexibility and interactions with people, machines are better at repetitive tasks and are terrible at figuring out what people want.  But as computers get more powerful and AI's get more complex, automation is eating into office work as well, just not as rapidly.

The catch, same as with automating factories, is that the workers you retain have to be even more qualified.  You might not have to pay a secretary anymore, but now you need his boss to know enough about computer algorithms to be able to use the AI replacement effectively and to be able to type rapidly.  Just as factories were able to layoff 3 guys that could operate an impact drill, but then had to hire a guy that could program a robotic arm.

It's like climbing a sand dune, three steps forward, two steps back.  We're still climbing that dune though, the question is what we do with that increased efficiency.  I say we lower the work week and double down on training the next generations to use automation to their advantage.

*After multiple name changes it's now NGA.
**As a result, My dad made sure that I knew my way around a keyboard, I can type faster than my assistant can.
 
2021-04-17 8:53:56 PM  

Another Government Employee: GodComplex: Wouldn't fly at any company I've worked for. If bots did the mundane and repetitive work, who would the bosses scream at when things didn't work as they planned?

Done right, the bosses get eliminated because they have no one to supervise (and yell at).


Promises promises. But then who ate the owners going to blame for their failure to plan beyond the current quarter and scream at for failing to meet production goals? Shiat rolls downhill and there is a lot of shiat at the top these days. Maybe we can automate CEOs out of the workforce?
 
2021-04-17 9:21:26 PM  
Almost every outfit I've worked for has been too cheap and/or short-sighted to look farther beyond the next annual report.  If that far.
 
2021-04-17 9:22:45 PM  
I can't find it but somebody put up a gif of Tom Haverford from parks and rec and his ERIC program.

/thanks
//random
///good show
 
2021-04-17 10:40:29 PM  
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2021-04-18 2:02:52 AM  
I'm safe, I talk to the engineers.

/talks to engineers
//needs more booze
///good on slashies
 
2021-04-18 2:50:37 AM  
The Rise of the Machines - Why Automation is Different this Time
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we're doomed. DOOMED!
 
2021-04-18 3:27:50 AM  

wildcardjack: [YouTube video: The Rise of the Machines - Why Automation is Different this Time]we're doomed. DOOMED!


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2021-04-18 5:33:53 AM  

vudukungfu: Not my job.


Trolling can't be automated.

//have you marked as a "good" troll
 
2021-04-18 6:34:45 AM  

electricjebus: Just as factories were able to layoff 3 guys that could operate an impact drill, but then had to hire a guy that could program a robotic arm.


With the added benefit that this is not a 3 to 1 replacement. That programmer writes a bit of software that can theoretically be uploaded to an infinite number of robotic arms as the bussiness grows, making that work scale much better.
 
2021-04-18 6:41:05 AM  
If the sales and finance departments didn't suck at their jobs, you could totally automate huge chunks of my work right now. I'm an accountant, ADP and Quickbooks have existed for decades.

Their continued suckage means you need someone on the back-end fixing problems that range from "we'll lose money with that idea" to "both of us will go to jail with that idea".

Good luck trying to program a computer to say "let's see what the stupid bastards did this time"
 
2021-04-18 7:12:32 AM  

GodComplex: Wouldn't fly at any company I've worked for. If bots did the mundane and repetitive work, who would the bosses scream at when things didn't work as they planned?


Can you bend one over the desk when no one's looking?
 
2021-04-18 7:51:01 AM  

Snarcoleptic_Hoosier: If the sales and finance departments didn't suck at their jobs, you could totally automate huge chunks of my work right now. I'm an accountant, ADP and Quickbooks have existed for decades.

Their continued suckage means you need someone on the back-end fixing problems that range from "we'll lose money with that idea" to "both of us will go to jail with that idea".

Good luck trying to program a computer to say "let's see what the stupid bastards did this time"


Heh, bingo.

I'm an accountant, there's stuff you just can't automate because human error caused the issue and you need a human to fix it.

Certain parts of my job could be automated but never fully for what I do.  I feel pretty safe for now.

Hold on, my boss is calling me on a Sunday morning for some reason...
 
2021-04-18 10:58:39 AM  
There is more work to do than can be done.
 
2021-04-18 11:22:13 AM  

FleshMonkey: There is more work to do than can be done.


I suppose, but not if you limit it to work that creates sufficient value to be able to justify paying someone to do it - or creating & maintaining robots to do it.

fragMasterFlash: Can they fix a "new and improved" IT ticket system that requires me to wait a month for approval to install freeware applications?


TBH, introducing employee-selected freeware into the corporate network sounds like it should involve quite a bit of research and testing.
 
2021-04-18 1:11:38 PM  
AI is great and it can do some useful stuff. For most jobs, it will only augment the work we do. Yes, maybe instead of 10 people doing X, we only need 8 or something, but mostly work keeps going forward.

Remote workers shouldn't worry about the latest software package, they should worry about the humans living in lower cost of living countries. These people already have human intelligence, are just as good at their jobs as well paid westerner types, and will work longer and harder, for much less pay.

And those people are ready to work now.
 
2021-04-18 3:07:29 PM  
Good! The robots can work nights and weekends.
 
2021-04-18 3:17:24 PM  

fragMasterFlash: Can they fix a "new and improved" IT ticket system that requires me to wait a month for approval to install freeware applications?


An automated system can be used to create one ticket a day until you get approved.  If they decline the requests with no explanation, you can increase the script to 2 tickets a day, 3 tickets, aso.

(At a previous job I had to add the phrase "if this request is being declined, please contact me" to tickets I created.  When one person finally contacted me about that, my comment was that if the request is declined with no explanation why, I did not know what to correct.  They sounded surprised)
 
2021-04-18 5:17:47 PM  

OccamsWhiskers: FleshMonkey: There is more work to do than can be done.

I suppose, but not if you limit it to work that creates sufficient value to be able to justify paying someone to do it - or creating & maintaining robots to do it.


But as the cost of having work done changes, the bar of "sufficient value" moves.

Imagine being a lifelong subsistence farmer and hearing about modern levels of productivity.  What would you do with all that capability?  I mean, once you've upgraded your dirt-floored hovel to wood flooring, made three complete sets of clothes from the finest only-semi-scratchy wool, stacked up a couple years' worth of wheat, and started eating meat every single day, why keep working?  You'd expect us all to be working three hours a week and sitting on our asses the rest of the time.  Instead, we invent more work to consume our capacity to do more work.

There are people making their living drawing imaginary hats for video game characters that children will buy with their parents' money.  Enough people now find sufficient value there for "video game hat creator" to be a job.  We'll have no trouble keeping busy.
 
2021-04-18 6:06:44 PM  
I'd love to have a robot take care of all my paperwork. Then I can get back to the teaching kids part of my job.
 
2021-04-18 11:08:17 PM  
They'll replace everyone who does actual work, but certainly not the glut of middle management.
 
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