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(The Atlantic)   Do you waste food, and do you eat meat? Congratulations: As far as the planet is concerned, you are the worst person in the world. "Trading your rib eyes and cheesesteaks for lentils and tofu is one of the best things you can do as a consumer"   (theatlantic.com) divider line
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2021-04-16 9:43:34 PM  
No
 
2021-04-16 9:46:55 PM  
Question. Do the lentils and tofu taste like ribeyes and cheesecakes? No? Then the planet can suck it.

Also, I don't waste food! I eats all that shizz!
 
2021-04-16 9:48:51 PM  
Fark you. Meat is awesome
 
2021-04-16 10:00:20 PM  
Some stuff like lentils are high in oligosaccharides which are difficult to digest for those like me who have IBS. They tend to trigger gas, bloating and diarrhea, and it's hard enough having to deal with IBS without deliberately eating certain foodstuffs that exacerbate the condition.
 
2021-04-16 10:00:33 PM  
those senses were refined through millennia of natural selection

tell me that meat is delicious.  And I had tofu for lunch.  It was inherently tasteless but it was swimming in a bowl of spicy ramen.  Friday night is meat night.
 
2021-04-16 10:00:34 PM  
I have switched to some veggie meals just because they taste good.
I love me some Chana masala
 
2021-04-16 10:08:03 PM  
a lot of 'feels' and no science there.
With no actual scientific facts instead there's "He told me me" and "I heard" type things.
Nice click bait article tho

Hey, you wanna help the planet. Stop eating anything.  You're a parasite on the planet.
This is a satire statement. But if you go down that road you'll go down the road of the most extreme buddhist that refused to eat anything that was living or cause 'death' even plants,  unless it dropped off a tree on their laps. Those monks eventually died off. Go for it.
 
2021-04-16 10:09:09 PM  
F***********ck, I want cake now ...
 
2021-04-16 10:10:26 PM  
I eat mostly vegetables but hate preachy assholes.

You know who loves to eat meat?
Donald Trump!

Trump has the best prions. Big farking holes in his thinkmeat! Like the biggest pussies you can imagine radiating in a fractal gordian knot.

They all come crying with tears in their eyes, he has mad cow disease AND Alzheimers, he still thinks he's the president.

/I'm going back to the pol tab.
//good day!
 
2021-04-16 10:12:02 PM  
Wait, what?  Ribeyes get wasted?

/Imma calling shenanigans.
 
2021-04-16 10:33:24 PM  
Hey, the planet's farked already. Party on, Wayne.
 
2021-04-16 10:39:48 PM  
I've eaten tofu and lentils and I never want to again
 
2021-04-16 10:53:08 PM  
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Don't just do it for the environment, do it for yourself.
 
2021-04-16 10:58:42 PM  
I didn't spend millions of years rising to the top of the food chain to give it all up now.  Fark that.

/damn, I'm old
 
2021-04-16 11:44:05 PM  
There are cattle farms that have no input other than air, rain and sunshine that have been pulling food out of the land for more than 400 years.  There are far fewer places that can do that with plants and they seem to be limited to some very old orchards in the Fertile Crescent.

There is a reason that cattle use so much land.  It is because the land is useless for food for people without using the cows.  You still can't raise a herd of tofu in west Texas.
 
2021-04-16 11:58:55 PM  
Vegetarians/vegans actually have some good arguments, at least for reducing meat consumption and reforming our industrial meat production practices, but those argument get completely washed out by the sappy anthropomorphic emotional appeals that barely deserve an eyeroll.
 
2021-04-17 12:09:38 AM  
I just came here to say that I like meat! Meat is great! It seems that I'm not the only one to think this. Yay, Meat!!
 
2021-04-17 12:10:16 AM  
Not much kills animals like large scale plant agriculture. Not much vaporizes soil fertility like large scale plant agriculture. 

Ag does need to do better in general. 

Truly the best things any one person can do for the planet is to not have children, wear out the shiat they buy, reduce their energy and water consumption, and stop voting for war.
 
2021-04-17 1:10:06 AM  
I was seriously giving those new fake hamburgers a shot, but them I read how much sodium they have and changed my mind because I don't want to die for a fake hamburger.
 
2021-04-17 2:26:15 AM  
Counterexample: Hitler was a vegetarian.
 
2021-04-17 2:36:42 AM  

no1curr: I've eaten tofu and lentils and I never want to again


They weren't prepared properly then, like an overcooked leathery steak.

I'm not a vegetarian/vegan by any means (though we've tried doing more veg meals over the past year), but those ingredients can be awesome if done right.

Kenji's tofu banh mi is probably a top 5 sandwich for me.
 
2021-04-17 2:44:16 AM  

log_jammin: I was seriously giving those new fake hamburgers a shot, but them I read how much sodium they have and changed my mind because I don't want to die for a fake hamburger.


I was looking at the Beyond Meat, Beyond Burger Plant - Based Patties the last time I was at Walmart, but between the high sodium level and it containing a couple of ingredients that are IBS triggers, I passed on buying them. Add in that they also contain canola oil, which I have a sensitivity to and hard pass.

A four-ounce uncooked Beyond Burger patty has 380 mg of sodium, whereas four ounces of raw beef (80 % lean) has 75 mg of sodium. Also, ground beef has zero carbs, while that 4-ounce Beyond Burger patty has 5 g of carb.

Unless you mix it in, ground beef also does not contain the following, unlke the highly processed Beyond Burgers. If you're trying to cut back on highly processed foods for your health (They're really bad for those with high BP).

Ingredients: Water, pea protein, expeller-pressed canola oil, refined coconut oil, rice protein, natural flavors, cocoa butter, mung bean protein, methylcellulose, potato starch, apple extract, pomegranate extract, salt, potassium chloride, vinegar, lemon juice concentrate, sunflower lecithin, beet juice extract.


Ground beef isn't perfect, but it also doesn't contain any of the above ingredients except for the naturally occurring water.
 
2021-04-17 2:53:18 AM  

Bathia_Mapes: Some stuff like lentils are high in oligosaccharides which are difficult to digest for those like me who have IBS. They tend to trigger gas, bloating and diarrhea, and it's hard enough having to deal with IBS without deliberately eating certain foodstuffs that exacerbate the condition.


That explains a lot, actually.
 
2021-04-17 2:56:43 AM  

Bathia_Mapes: log_jammin: I was seriously giving those new fake hamburgers a shot, but them I read how much sodium they have and changed my mind because I don't want to die for a fake hamburger.

I was looking at the Beyond Meat, Beyond Burger Plant - Based Patties the last time I was at Walmart, but between the high sodium level and it containing a couple of ingredients that are IBS triggers, I passed on buying them. Add in that they also contain canola oil, which I have a sensitivity to and hard pass.

A four-ounce uncooked Beyond Burger patty has 380 mg of sodium, whereas four ounces of raw beef (80 % lean) has 75 mg of sodium. Also, ground beef has zero carbs, while that 4-ounce Beyond Burger patty has 5 g of carb.

Unless you mix it in, ground beef also does not contain the following, unlke the highly processed Beyond Burgers. If you're trying to cut back on highly processed foods for your health (They're really bad for those with high BP).

Ingredients: Water, pea protein, expeller-pressed canola oil, refined coconut oil, rice protein, natural flavors, cocoa butter, mung bean protein, methylcellulose, potato starch, apple extract, pomegranate extract, salt, potassium chloride, vinegar, lemon juice concentrate, sunflower lecithin, beet juice extract.


Ground beef isn't perfect, but it also doesn't contain any of the above ingredients except for the naturally occurring water.


The biggest misconception about the meat alternative burgers is the health aspect.   Beyond, Impossible, etc. burger are focusing more on sustainability and environmentalism.

Comparing sodium content in these fake burgers to raw meat is a bit disingenuous as well. Nobody is cooking up a burger without adding additional salt. It may still weigh in the favor of the beef burger, but you can't ignore that the meat alternatives are "ready-to-grill" whereas ground beef needs some work before cooking it.

The term "processed food" is loaded as well. That can literally mean anything. Without qualifiers it falls under the same loose definition of GMOs.
 
2021-04-17 2:58:38 AM  

Bathia_Mapes: If you're trying to cut back on highly processed foods for your health (They're really bad for those with high BP).


yup. I basically have to avoid nearly everything in the frozen food section. actually more like any sort of convenience type foods as well.

fortunately for me, I was already a fan of real meat.
 
2021-04-17 3:04:46 AM  
Lentils are pretty darn tasty.
 
2021-04-17 3:04:52 AM  

Joey Jo Jo Jr Shabadu: The biggest misconception about the meat alternative burgers is the health aspect.   Beyond, Impossible, etc. burger are focusing more on sustainability and environmentalism.


which is irrelevant to me if eating them will fark up my health.

Joey Jo Jo Jr Shabadu: Comparing sodium content in these fake burgers to raw meat is a bit disingenuous as well. Nobody is cooking up a burger without adding additional salt.


it's not disingenuous at all. adding a sprinkle of salt to a hamburger is nothing like the amount of sodium that's in processed foods. trust me. if you ever suddenly have to watch your salt intake because of health issues, you're going to be shocked at the amount they put in food.

Joey Jo Jo Jr Shabadu: The term "processed food" is loaded as well. That can literally mean anything. Without qualifiers it falls under the same loose definition of GMOs.


are you for real?
 
2021-04-17 3:09:18 AM  
Maybe we should just stop breeding like rabbits.
 
2021-04-17 3:30:07 AM  

log_jammin: which is irrelevant to me if eating them will fark up my health.


No offense, but it doesn't matter if it's irrelevant to your specific health concerns.  That's not how they're marketed.


log_jammin: it's not disingenuous at all. adding a sprinkle of salt to a hamburger is nothing like the amount of sodium that's in processed foods. trust me. if you ever suddenly have to watch your salt intake because of health issues, you're going to be shocked at the amount they put in food.


Again, this seems super specific to your health concerns.  A "dash" of salt is 150mg of sodium give or take.  It's perfectly reasonable to think that's the bare minimum consumers would add to each portion of raw meat for burgers.


log_jammin: are you for real?


Sure am.  The generic labeling of foods as "processed" or "GMO" doesn't help anything.  There's no specificity behind it.  It's easy to blindly label things good/bad, but in reality nothing's that binary.
 
2021-04-17 3:48:20 AM  

Joey Jo Jo Jr Shabadu: No offense, but it doesn't matter if it's irrelevant to your specific health concerns.  That's not how they're marketed.


https://www.cbc.ca/news/business/beyo​n​d-meat-burger-beef-health-risks-1.5220​777

Beyond Meat says yes. On its website, the California-based company markets its plant-based products as "better for you" options that don't come with the major health risks associated with certain kinds of meat.

Joey Jo Jo Jr Shabadu: Again, this seems super specific to your health concerns.


high blood pressure is not "super specific" to me.


Joey Jo Jo Jr Shabadu: A "dash" of salt is 150mg of sodium give or take.  It's perfectly reasonable to think that's the bare minimum consumers would add to each portion of raw meat for burgers.


it's really really weird that you're defending adding things to food like this.

Joey Jo Jo Jr Shabadu: The generic labeling of foods as "processed" or "GMO" doesn't help anything.


k. I'm not talking about GMOs. and "processed food" is not some made up hippy term. you can find it referenced in FDA documents and everything.

Joey Jo Jo Jr Shabadu: There's no specificity behind it.  It's easy to blindly label things good/bad, but in reality nothing's that binary.


your powers of deliberate obtuseness is something to behold.
 
2021-04-17 4:10:05 AM  

log_jammin: https://www.cbc.ca/news/business/beyo​n​d-meat-burger-beef-health-risks-1.5220​777


Fine, maybe I shouldn't have lumped Beyond into that mix as I hadn't heard they were making the health claims.  But even the article you linked to essentially claims the jury's still out.  I'm pretty sure brands like Impossible are more focused on the sustainability factor.


log_jammin: high blood pressure is not "super specific" to me.


It is in the way you addressed it here.


log_jammin: it's really really weird that you're defending adding things to food like this.


What are you talking about?  I was responding to you comparing the sodium content of faux meat patties to raw beef.  The faux patties are ready to cook whereas pretty much anyone making burger patties (or anything else) from ground beef will be adding salt.


log_jammin: k. I'm not talking about GMOs. and "processed food" is not some made up hippy term. you can find it referenced in FDA documents and everything.


Ok, citation please on what "processed food" is and why it's bad.


log_jammin: your powers of deliberate obtuseness is something to behold.


Words, words, word, words.  I'm still not sure what you're getting at.  Way to respond to the point.
 
2021-04-17 4:16:48 AM  

Joey Jo Jo Jr Shabadu: Ok, citation please on what "processed food" is and why it's bad.


google is hard.

https://www.hsph.harvard.edu/nutritio​n​source/processed-foods/
 
2021-04-17 4:27:35 AM  
My kids love the madras lentils from Costco and ask for them. Tofu is tolerated

They also love meat.

/So go omnivores?
 
2021-04-17 4:32:51 AM  
You know what goes great with lentils?  A rack of ribs.
 
2021-04-17 5:09:45 AM  

red5ish: You know what goes great with lentils?  A rack of ribs.


Lentils are awesome. Ribs are awesome. Be a badass and figure out how to combine them.
 
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2021-04-17 5:14:33 AM  

NINEv2: red5ish: You know what goes great with lentils?  A rack of ribs.

Lentils are awesome. Ribs are awesome. Be a badass and figure out how to combine them.


the obvious answer is a BBQ made with Lentils.

"It's BOLD!"
 
2021-04-17 5:44:12 AM  
It is my moral obligation to eat chickens, steaks, bacon and every other manner of meat because they are lower on the food chain than i am

If some mentally challenged fool wants to try and tell me its wrong to do that i will invite then to tell the same to a lion pride with 5 feet of distance between them and no barriers
 
2021-04-17 5:59:58 AM  
I'd like to see something like Life After People but instead Life After Every Human Became a Vegan. Or Life After Every Farm Animal Was Released Into The Wild. Or Life Without Plastic.

No doubt all our ancestors lived on much less meat in their diets. But I wonder about the logistics of feeding 7+ billion people without animal products. And even then, what do you do with all the farm animals? Just let these bred-to-be-dumb animals out of their pens and say good luck out there?

Also, tofu and lentils are awesome. I don't eat much red meat but since I'm child free I think my carbon allotment will allow a burger now and again.
 
2021-04-17 6:10:34 AM  

NINEv2: red5ish: You know what goes great with lentils?  A rack of ribs.

Lentils are awesome. Ribs are awesome. Be a badass and figure out how to combine them.


http://www.dvo.com/recipe_pages/homem​a​de/BBQ_Short_Ribs_And_Lentils.php
 
2021-04-17 6:16:04 AM  

AlgaeRancher: My kids love the madras lentils from Costco and ask for them. Tofu is tolerated

They also love meat.

/So go omnivores?


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2021-04-17 6:22:32 AM  
Pandemic threads: Goddamn COVIDidiots!  Wear a f*cking mask!  The science makes it clear they help prevent the spread of COVID!  And get vaccinated, you stupid anti-vaxxers!

Meat threads: F*cking scientists!  F*ck off with your "eat vegetables, not meat, because it's better for the environment."  Meat is delicious and I won't eat less of it!

And no, I'm not a vegetarian or a vegan.  I'm an omnivore who eats meat every day, but in much smaller amounts than I used to.  And my wife and I buy from local farmers who have sustainable farming methods instead of the typical factory farming.

People who pick and choose the science they accept are no different than the people who pick and choose the portions of their so-called holy books they believe.

Omnis_evil_twin:And even then, what do you do with all the farm animals? Just let these bred-to-be-dumb animals out of their pens and say good luck out there?

No, there's actually a very easy solution to that.  Stop breeding them.  Raise the current generation of farm animals to go to market, then stop.  Or rather, use that as an opportunity to breed far fewer of them and improve our environmental impact.

Sounds crazy, I know, but if we had taken our health more seriously going into the pandemic, it probably wouldn't have been as bad as it's been.  Because the #2 target of COVID, after the elderly, has been people who are already unhealthy.  And the science makes it pretty clear that a diet high in plants and low in meat (not zero meat) prevents most of the health problems we suffer from today, especially when combined with moderate exercise.  The very same problems that have made COVID as bad as it's been.
 
2021-04-17 6:27:59 AM  
I used public transit whenever I could pre-pandemic. Our car is electric and wind-powered. We don't have air conditioning. We reduce, reuse, repurpose, recycle, and compost. Screw it. We'll eat meat a few times a week. And use real milk in cooking. And wear leather shoes.
 
2021-04-17 6:30:08 AM  

sithon: I have switched to some veggie meals just because they taste good.
I love me some Chana masala


France is a nation of food snobs. Some of their snobbery is undeserved.
Italy is a nation of food snobs. Most of their snobbery is undeserved
India is a nation of food snobs. Most of their snobbery is deserved, especially when it comes to vegetable dishes.
 
2021-04-17 6:33:50 AM  

The Crepes of Wrath: Meat threads: F*cking scientists!


no one said anything disparaging scientists or science in general.

the closest thing I see is someone complaining about a lack of science.
 
2021-04-17 6:36:08 AM  
Stop breeding more people. Problem solved.
/Boomer
 
2021-04-17 8:23:04 AM  
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I agree that we should est less meat. We should eat better meat. We should respect it by preparing it well and by wasting as little as possible.

But it's not exactly true that cattle could be released to frolic freely in the forest among deer and bunnies, nor is most grazing land good for much else.

Flip side- stop clearing forest to raise cattle to make cheap factory farmed beef. Be sustainable and be ethical

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2021-04-17 8:28:52 AM  
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2021-04-17 8:35:17 AM  
I eat meat BUT don't waste food. In fact if it has bones I always make stocks and broths. So am I back to a good person or am I just okay? I'll settle for okay.
 
2021-04-17 8:50:11 AM  
Eating meat is evil?

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Yup, Imma live deliciously.
 
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