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2021-04-16 8:33:39 PM  
FTA: Belonging to the LDS Church is viewed as essential to someone's well-being. Being expelled can be devastating and lead to being shunned within the Mormon community.

"When you're born a Mormon, it is a kind of ethnic identity," Finlayson-Fife said. "To have an official rejection, it's like your parents telling you you're the rotten kid and you don't belong because you don't see things the way we do."


Natasha Helfer on the human impact of unhealthy sexual education
Youtube aE_GB3kl8cU


I was born and raised in the religion and was asked if I masturbated almost monthly by a church leader for the entirety of my teenage years up to and including my mission.
 
2021-04-16 8:53:21 PM  

Nadie_AZ: FTA: Belonging to the LDS Church is viewed as essential to someone's well-being. Being expelled can be devastating and lead to being shunned within the Mormon community.

"When you're born a Mormon, it is a kind of ethnic identity," Finlayson-Fife said. "To have an official rejection, it's like your parents telling you you're the rotten kid and you don't belong because you don't see things the way we do."


[Youtube-video https://www.youtube.com/embed/aE_GB3kl​8cU]

I was born and raised in the religion and was asked if I masturbated almost monthly by a church leader for the entirety of my teenage years up to and including my mission.


I know a guy that was ex-communicated because he was boffing every wife in the church, and freely admitted it.  He claims to have nailed them all, and I had no reason to doubt him.  He was 40 at the time, and had been out for 20 years or so, and he was one of those people that simply did not care what you thought about him.  At all.  I like that in a person.
 
2021-04-16 9:01:36 PM  

Nadie_AZ: FTA: Belonging to the LDS Church is viewed as essential to someone's well-being. Being expelled can be devastating and lead to being shunned within the Mormon community.

"When you're born a Mormon, it is a kind of ethnic identity," Finlayson-Fife said. "To have an official rejection, it's like your parents telling you you're the rotten kid and you don't belong because you don't see things the way we do."


[YouTube video: Natasha Helfer on the human impact of unhealthy sexual education]

I was born and raised in the religion and was asked if I masturbated almost monthly by a church leader for the entirety of my teenage years up to and including my mission.


So...how did you answer? Also that is extremely creepy.
 
2021-04-16 9:12:45 PM  
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2021-04-16 9:18:08 PM  
Nadie_AZ:

I was born and raised in the religion and was asked if I masturbated almost monthly by a church leader for the entirety of my teenage years up to and including my mission.

I find it helpful to mastubate more frequently than that.
 
2021-04-16 10:42:55 PM  

SpockYouOut: Nadie_AZ:

I was born and raised in the religion and was asked if I masturbated almost monthly by a church leader for the entirety of my teenage years up to and including my mission.

I find it helpful to mastubate more frequently than that.


Lil Jon on Masturbation
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2021-04-16 11:08:06 PM  
So, basically, after catering to a captive audience like the LDS she's afraid of going mainstream since she was kicked from the LDS circles?

Cry me a river.

Either she's good at her job or she's shiat.
 
2021-04-16 11:08:42 PM  
Good. Let her prove that she thinks all people are worthy of respect by joining a different sect of Christianity.
 
2021-04-16 11:08:50 PM  

Nadie_AZ: I was born and raised in the religion and was asked if I masturbated almost monthly by a church leader for the entirety of my teenage years up to and including my mission.


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2021-04-16 11:09:26 PM  

Nadie_AZ: I was born and raised in the religion and was asked if I masturbated almost monthly by a church leader for the entirety of my teenage years up to and including my mission.


Yeah I'd would end up being kicked out. Because, I'd be like, that's between me and God. And my freewill.
 
2021-04-16 11:17:04 PM  
Private club kicks out member for whatever reason. Why should we give the slightest shart?
 
2021-04-16 11:21:07 PM  
I'm sure the man reason they need her gone is she helps people remove the guilt from otherwise normal activities.  Less guilt means less tithing.  It's all about the $$$$$.
 
2021-04-16 11:28:37 PM  
Meh. If you lie with dogs, you wake up with fleas.
 
2021-04-16 11:38:13 PM  

starsrift: Either she's good at her job or she's shiat.


She might be perfectly good at her job, and be like thousands of other perfectly adequate mainline therapists trying to line up enough Zoom sessions to make this month's payment on her Kia Soul.  She wouldn't be making national news stories, that for sure.  So she benefits from the relationship and the KS stake prez is unfamiliar with the Streisand effect.
 
2021-04-16 11:42:30 PM  

gonegirl: Good. Let her prove that she thinks all people are worthy of respect by joining a different sect of Christianity.


.. or by not believing in any flavor of that bronze age fairy tale
 
2021-04-16 11:43:32 PM  
Dum dum DUM Dum dum
 
2021-04-16 11:47:09 PM  
Don't get your (magic) underwear in a knot.
 
2021-04-16 11:54:21 PM  
Someone wasn't quite generous enough with their tithing, eh?
 
2021-04-16 11:54:36 PM  
She told people that there was a position other than missionary?
 
2021-04-16 11:55:36 PM  
These are the kinds of situations that test someone's faith in their beliefs.

They have to decide if they place their faith in the books and words and people who interpret them about your fate, your place in things, the meaning and purposes, and any exceptions on you.
Or in the idea of the divine, and your soul, and their all knowing divine judgement of you, your soul for ever. A knowledge(faith) that you can not be separated from or denied you.

The thing is that in so doing you take your own soul, assuming you believe in such a thing, into your own responsibility. Now you have to interpret what god wants of you, what it all means, where it all goers, what is your influence on your own unknown that lies in the future past the veil and all that.

Heavy chit if that's your reality.
 
2021-04-16 11:55:55 PM  
some non-LDS therapists will suggest leaving the church.

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2021-04-17 12:04:03 AM  

Russ1642: Private club kicks out member for whatever reason. Why should we give the slightest shart?


They don't pay taxes and own malls and other businesses.

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2021-04-17 12:08:50 AM  
I guess it's not a bad thing that there's someone out there who was in the thick of the religious wackiness, who is able to help people realize that their human urges and feelings are normal.
 
2021-04-17 12:18:26 AM  
Mormonism is a cult invented by a con man. She went against the cult, so they're kicking her out. That's how cults work.
 
2021-04-17 12:31:03 AM  
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"Her Life Force is as bright to them as the light, and they believe that she is their salvation"
 
2021-04-17 12:32:17 AM  
re: the LDS.....

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2021-04-17 12:42:55 AM  

Doctoral Candidate Zaius: I guess it's not a bad thing that there's someone out there who was in the thick of the religious wackiness, who is able to help people realize that their human urges and feelings are normal.


that doesn't mean she needs to stay a member though.  except if she wasnt a member they wouldnt let her counsel them.  the whole situation is a little like saying its important to have someone who's an active gang member and has participated in at least one drive by shooting in the last month so they can be a better cop.

most of the shiat people are probably being counseled for is likely being CAUSED by the archaic religious nonsense.  masturbation sends you to hell.  homosexuality sends you to hell.  being transgender sends you to hell.  etc etc.  maybe if their religion wasnt all flaming jackasses who were so ready to abandon family members at the drop of a hat their kids would need counseling a bit less.

most of these religious teachings arent "whackiness" they're emotional abuse of family members.  usually of children.
 
2021-04-17 12:43:59 AM  
If they wanted an expert in Mormon sex therapists, I assume many of you are experts after watching so many short documentary films.
 
2021-04-17 12:46:55 AM  

Nadie_AZ: FTA: Belonging to the LDS Church is viewed as essential to someone's well-being. Being expelled can be devastating and lead to being shunned within the Mormon community.

"When you're born a Mormon, it is a kind of ethnic identity," Finlayson-Fife said. "To have an official rejection, it's like your parents telling you you're the rotten kid and you don't belong because you don't see things the way we do."


[YouTube video: Natasha Helfer on the human impact of unhealthy sexual education]

I was born and raised in the religion and was asked if I masturbated almost monthly by a church leader for the entirety of my teenage years up to and including my mission.


Emission?
 
2021-04-17 12:56:53 AM  

oopsboom: Doctoral Candidate Zaius: I guess it's not a bad thing that there's someone out there who was in the thick of the religious wackiness, who is able to help people realize that their human urges and feelings are normal.

that doesn't mean she needs to stay a member though.  except if she wasnt a member they wouldnt let her counsel them.  the whole situation is a little like saying its important to have someone who's an active gang member and has participated in at least one drive by shooting in the last month so they can be a better cop.

most of the shiat people are probably being counseled for is likely being CAUSED by the archaic religious nonsense.  masturbation sends you to hell.  homosexuality sends you to hell.  being transgender sends you to hell.  etc etc.  maybe if their religion wasnt all flaming jackasses who were so ready to abandon family members at the drop of a hat their kids would need counseling a bit less.

most of these religious teachings arent "whackiness" they're emotional abuse of family members.  usually of children.


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most of the shiat people are probably being counseled for is likely being CAUSED by the archaic religious nonsense

Bloody this!

Mormonism is second only to Islam when it comes to sexual repression, abuse of women, and overall social dysfunction.
 
2021-04-17 12:59:04 AM  

aagrajag: oopsboom: Doctoral Candidate Zaius: I guess it's not a bad thing that there's someone out there who was in the thick of the religious wackiness, who is able to help people realize that their human urges and feelings are normal.

that doesn't mean she needs to stay a member though.  except if she wasnt a member they wouldnt let her counsel them.  the whole situation is a little like saying its important to have someone who's an active gang member and has participated in at least one drive by shooting in the last month so they can be a better cop.

most of the shiat people are probably being counseled for is likely being CAUSED by the archaic religious nonsense.  masturbation sends you to hell.  homosexuality sends you to hell.  being transgender sends you to hell.  etc etc.  maybe if their religion wasnt all flaming jackasses who were so ready to abandon family members at the drop of a hat their kids would need counseling a bit less.

most of these religious teachings arent "whackiness" they're emotional abuse of family members.  usually of children.

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most of the shiat people are probably being counseled for is likely being CAUSED by the archaic religious nonsense

Bloody this!

Mormonism is second only to Islam when it comes to sexual repression, abuse of women, and overall social dysfunction.


Oh, Islam isn't even vaguely the worst for this
 
2021-04-17 1:13:46 AM  

anuran: aagrajag: oopsboom: Doctoral Candidate Zaius: I guess it's not a bad thing that there's someone out there who was in the thick of the religious wackiness, who is able to help people realize that their human urges and feelings are normal.

that doesn't mean she needs to stay a member though.  except if she wasnt a member they wouldnt let her counsel them.  the whole situation is a little like saying its important to have someone who's an active gang member and has participated in at least one drive by shooting in the last month so they can be a better cop.

most of the shiat people are probably being counseled for is likely being CAUSED by the archaic religious nonsense.  masturbation sends you to hell.  homosexuality sends you to hell.  being transgender sends you to hell.  etc etc.  maybe if their religion wasnt all flaming jackasses who were so ready to abandon family members at the drop of a hat their kids would need counseling a bit less.

most of these religious teachings arent "whackiness" they're emotional abuse of family members.  usually of children.

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most of the shiat people are probably being counseled for is likely being CAUSED by the archaic religious nonsense

Bloody this!

Mormonism is second only to Islam when it comes to sexual repression, abuse of women, and overall social dysfunction.

Oh, Islam isn't even vaguely the worst for this


Oh, I'm sure there are some tiny sects and cults that are worse, but of major religions? Of those with their own entries in paper encyclopedias? Islam < Mormonism < Fundy Christianity

Only the first of those legally executes women for adultery, and men for being gay. The second just blames and shuns you.
 
2021-04-17 1:28:52 AM  

aagrajag: anuran: aagrajag: oopsboom: Doctoral Candidate Zaius: I guess it's not a bad thing that there's someone out there who was in the thick of the religious wackiness, who is able to help people realize that their human urges and feelings are normal.

that doesn't mean she needs to stay a member though.  except if she wasnt a member they wouldnt let her counsel them.  the whole situation is a little like saying its important to have someone who's an active gang member and has participated in at least one drive by shooting in the last month so they can be a better cop.

most of the shiat people are probably being counseled for is likely being CAUSED by the archaic religious nonsense.  masturbation sends you to hell.  homosexuality sends you to hell.  being transgender sends you to hell.  etc etc.  maybe if their religion wasnt all flaming jackasses who were so ready to abandon family members at the drop of a hat their kids would need counseling a bit less.

most of these religious teachings arent "whackiness" they're emotional abuse of family members.  usually of children.

-
most of the shiat people are probably being counseled for is likely being CAUSED by the archaic religious nonsense

Bloody this!

Mormonism is second only to Islam when it comes to sexual repression, abuse of women, and overall social dysfunction.

Oh, Islam isn't even vaguely the worst for this

Oh, I'm sure there are some tiny sects and cults that are worse, but of major religions? Of those with their own entries in paper encyclopedias? Islam < Mormonism < Fundy Christianity

Only the first of those legally executes women for adultery, and men for being gay. The second just blames and shuns you.


I'm sure the Mormons and Fundies would love to be able to execute people for adultery and being gay, they just don't have the political clout to make it happen.
 
2021-04-17 1:49:05 AM  

OgreMagi: aagrajag: anuran: aagrajag: oopsboom: Doctoral Candidate Zaius: I guess it's not a bad thing that there's someone out there who was in the thick of the religious wackiness, who is able to help people realize that their human urges and feelings are normal.

that doesn't mean she needs to stay a member though.  except if she wasnt a member they wouldnt let her counsel them.  the whole situation is a little like saying its important to have someone who's an active gang member and has participated in at least one drive by shooting in the last month so they can be a better cop.

most of the shiat people are probably being counseled for is likely being CAUSED by the archaic religious nonsense.  masturbation sends you to hell.  homosexuality sends you to hell.  being transgender sends you to hell.  etc etc.  maybe if their religion wasnt all flaming jackasses who were so ready to abandon family members at the drop of a hat their kids would need counseling a bit less.

most of these religious teachings arent "whackiness" they're emotional abuse of family members.  usually of children.

-
most of the shiat people are probably being counseled for is likely being CAUSED by the archaic religious nonsense

Bloody this!

Mormonism is second only to Islam when it comes to sexual repression, abuse of women, and overall social dysfunction.

Oh, Islam isn't even vaguely the worst for this

Oh, I'm sure there are some tiny sects and cults that are worse, but of major religions? Of those with their own entries in paper encyclopedias? Islam < Mormonism < Fundy Christianity

Only the first of those legally executes women for adultery, and men for being gay. The second just blames and shuns you.

I'm sure the Mormons and Fundies would love to be able to execute people for adultery and being gay, they just don't have the political clout to make it happen.


Some certainly would, but that attitude is thankfully very much in the minority amongst those groups. They want to deny homosexuals the right to marry and the ability to adopt children, and refuse to bake them them the odd wedding cake now and then, but only a tiny number wish to watch gay men dancing at the end of a rope in a public square.

Religion is an immense component of culture, and the law reflects the culture.
 
2021-04-17 1:55:50 AM  

Cathedralmaster: Mormonism is a cult invented by a con man. She went against the cult, so they're kicking her out. That's how cults work.


I thought that cults threw you in the ships hold so your thetan could be purified by lord xenon?
 
2021-04-17 2:01:14 AM  

aagrajag: OgreMagi: aagrajag: anuran: aagrajag: oopsboom: Doctoral Candidate Zaius: I guess it's not a bad thing that there's someone out there who was in the thick of the religious wackiness, who is able to help people realize that their human urges and feelings are normal.

that doesn't mean she needs to stay a member though.  except if she wasnt a member they wouldnt let her counsel them.  the whole situation is a little like saying its important to have someone who's an active gang member and has participated in at least one drive by shooting in the last month so they can be a better cop.

most of the shiat people are probably being counseled for is likely being CAUSED by the archaic religious nonsense.  masturbation sends you to hell.  homosexuality sends you to hell.  being transgender sends you to hell.  etc etc.  maybe if their religion wasnt all flaming jackasses who were so ready to abandon family members at the drop of a hat their kids would need counseling a bit less.

most of these religious teachings arent "whackiness" they're emotional abuse of family members.  usually of children.

-
most of the shiat people are probably being counseled for is likely being CAUSED by the archaic religious nonsense

Bloody this!

Mormonism is second only to Islam when it comes to sexual repression, abuse of women, and overall social dysfunction.

Oh, Islam isn't even vaguely the worst for this

Oh, I'm sure there are some tiny sects and cults that are worse, but of major religions? Of those with their own entries in paper encyclopedias? Islam < Mormonism < Fundy Christianity

Only the first of those legally executes women for adultery, and men for being gay. The second just blames and shuns you.

I'm sure the Mormons and Fundies would love to be able to execute people for adultery and being gay, they just don't have the political clout to make it happen.

Some certainly would, but that attitude is thankfully very much in the minority amongst those groups. They want to deny homosexuals the right to marry and the ability to adopt children, and refuse to bake them them the odd wedding cake now and then, but only a tiny number wish to watch gay men dancing at the end of a rope in a public square.

Religion is an immense component of culture, and the law reflects the culture.


What's your evidence for that statement? It is only withing the past 20 years that you could come out as gay in the US without being in constant danger. People used to leave home to go to San Francisco because it was the only place where they would be safe. https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki​/Histor​y_of_violence_against_LGBT_people_in_t​he_United_States
 
2021-04-17 2:15:19 AM  
"Religion of Peace"
 
2021-04-17 2:26:34 AM  
Huh? I don't have a problem with the rapist being expelled.
 
2021-04-17 2:28:49 AM  

HempHead: Russ1642: Private club kicks out member for whatever reason. Why should we give the slightest shart?

They don't pay taxes and own malls and other businesses.

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That we should care about. But that has nothing to do with them kicking out members because they've got their heads up their asses.
 
2021-04-17 2:33:12 AM  

James T. Kirk: aagrajag: OgreMagi: aagrajag: anuran: aagrajag: oopsboom: Doctoral Candidate Zaius: I guess it's not a bad thing that there's someone out there who was in the thick of the religious wackiness, who is able to help people realize that their human urges and feelings are normal.

that doesn't mean she needs to stay a member though.  except if she wasnt a member they wouldnt let her counsel them.  the whole situation is a little like saying its important to have someone who's an active gang member and has participated in at least one drive by shooting in the last month so they can be a better cop.

most of the shiat people are probably being counseled for is likely being CAUSED by the archaic religious nonsense.  masturbation sends you to hell.  homosexuality sends you to hell.  being transgender sends you to hell.  etc etc.  maybe if their religion wasnt all flaming jackasses who were so ready to abandon family members at the drop of a hat their kids would need counseling a bit less.

most of these religious teachings arent "whackiness" they're emotional abuse of family members.  usually of children.

-
most of the shiat people are probably being counseled for is likely being CAUSED by the archaic religious nonsense

Bloody this!

Mormonism is second only to Islam when it comes to sexual repression, abuse of women, and overall social dysfunction.

Oh, Islam isn't even vaguely the worst for this

Oh, I'm sure there are some tiny sects and cults that are worse, but of major religions? Of those with their own entries in paper encyclopedias? Islam < Mormonism < Fundy Christianity

Only the first of those legally executes women for adultery, and men for being gay. The second just blames and shuns you.

I'm sure the Mormons and Fundies would love to be able to execute people for adultery and being gay, they just don't have the political clout to make it happen.

Some certainly would, but that attitude is thankfully very much in the minority amongst those groups. They want to deny homosexuals the right to marry and the ability to adopt children, and refuse to bake them them the odd wedding cake now and then, but only a tiny number wish to watch gay men dancing at the end of a rope in a public square.

Religion is an immense component of culture, and the law reflects the culture.

What's your evidence for that statement? It is only withing the past 20 years that you could come out as gay in the US without being in constant danger. People used to leave home to go to San Francisco because it was the only place where they would be safe. https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/​History_of_violence_against_LGBT_peopl​e_in_the_United_States


Would you rather be gay in the US twenty years ago, or gay in any Muslim country today

Even in the US - the most religious Christian country in the so-called First World - the overwhelmingly-Christian religious right has lost every single culture war: gay marriage, gays in the army, abortion, blasphemy, everything. They lose because the majority of them simply aren't quite hateful and intolerant enough.

As unpleasant as I find Christians, I still have to note that even though they constitute about 70% of the populace, they still, on average, are not so unpleasant as to pass a law to provide the death penalty for gay men. If they had the desire, they would find the political power to do so. Note that even Uganda - a highly anti-gay country - struck down its kill-the-gays law before even a single execution had been performed.

Islam is demonstrably, quantifiably worse. Christianity has grudgingly accepted secularism and liberal democracy, while several Muslim countries will legally execute you for apostasy. And regarding the subject of the article, I cannot recall the last time a Mormon committed a religiously-motivated mass murder.

I have no love for religion in general, but some are much, much worse. If Islam had been founded a month ago, it would be almost universally regarded as a dangerous cult and a hate group.
 
2021-04-17 3:05:42 AM  

aagrajag: I have no love for religion in general, but some are much, much worse. If Islam had been founded a month ago, it would be almost universally regarded as a dangerous cult and a hate group.


That's not intrinsic to Islam, however. At the time of the Crusades it was the other way around, at least for the most part. A big part of the problem is that when the Ottomans took over, they killed off most of the Islamic intellectuals, the ones who were in favor of tolerance and (for the time) secularism, and Islam as a whole has not recovered from the consequences. Killing off the educated elites causes a slide towards fundamentalism and tribalism, surprise surprise.

Don't get me wrong, I have no love for religion of any stripe. I'm just saying that the only reasons that Christianity is currently any better is because the Christian fundamentalists lack the power to force the issue.
 
2021-04-17 3:08:26 AM  

aagrajag: anuran: aagrajag: oopsboom: Doctoral Candidate Zaius: I guess it's not a bad thing that there's someone out there who was in the thick of the religious wackiness, who is able to help people realize that their human urges and feelings are normal.

that doesn't mean she needs to stay a member though.  except if she wasnt a member they wouldnt let her counsel them.  the whole situation is a little like saying its important to have someone who's an active gang member and has participated in at least one drive by shooting in the last month so they can be a better cop.

most of the shiat people are probably being counseled for is likely being CAUSED by the archaic religious nonsense.  masturbation sends you to hell.  homosexuality sends you to hell.  being transgender sends you to hell.  etc etc.  maybe if their religion wasnt all flaming jackasses who were so ready to abandon family members at the drop of a hat their kids would need counseling a bit less.

most of these religious teachings arent "whackiness" they're emotional abuse of family members.  usually of children.

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most of the shiat people are probably being counseled for is likely being CAUSED by the archaic religious nonsense

Bloody this!

Mormonism is second only to Islam when it comes to sexual repression, abuse of women, and overall social dysfunction.

Oh, Islam isn't even vaguely the worst for this

Oh, I'm sure there are some tiny sects and cults that are worse, but of major religions? Of those with their own entries in paper encyclopedias? Islam < Mormonism < Fundy Christianity

Only the first of those legally executes women for adultery, and men for being gay. The second just blames and shuns you.


mmmm, no. If you want a longer answer "Really, no." Islam is practiced in many ways in different countries by a billion or so people. Your broad brush is inaccurate and sinks to the level of "Well, YOU KNOW how those dark is safe. Primitive savages every one of them."

Remember that in Christendom until well into the 20th century omen literally had no legal existence outside of their husbands. Mainline churches fought hard against changing that. Judaism specifically says that women's speech is completely senseless and that hearing it let alone singing is enough to force sainted rabbis to masturbate to damnation and that women who don't yell loudly enough while being raped must be out to death.

I see the names "Afghanistan" and "Saudi Arabia" inching forward. Saudi Arabia is not Sumatra is not Kenya is not Seattle. And the awful  repression of women in Afghanistan is largely due to reactions to invasion and a government led by fanatics we helped put in place as part of the Great Game.

If you talk to, say, an Egyptian Muslim woman about what restricts her life the most it's probably not laws or religion. It's the expectations of her family. An Egyptian Christian woman would probably say the same thing.

And unlike Christianity which has traditionally considered sex something which can, at best, be excused (the Puritans were exceptions to that rule) not giving her sexual pleasure is one of the few things a Muslima can divorce her husband over

I could do the same with Buddhism where the Sakyamuni Buddha said repeatedly that women were "bags of filth" and incapable of enlightenment, Hinduism, and so on.
 
2021-04-17 3:22:08 AM  

anuran: the Puritans were exceptions to that rule


The Puritan attitude of old (as in about the time they were heading to the New World) was "god made us to enjoy sex, so go about it merrily".  Of course, only in the confines of marriage.
 
2021-04-17 3:35:29 AM  
I don't trust organized religions.
 
2021-04-17 4:07:59 AM  

waxbeans: Nadie_AZ: I was born and raised in the religion and was asked if I masturbated almost monthly by a church leader for the entirety of my teenage years up to and including my mission.

Yeah I'd would end up being kicked out. Because, I'd be like, that's between me and God. And my freewillY.



Adjusted that for ya...


And ya, the preoccupation with other people's lives really runs counter to that whole "We're libertarians and we don't want anybody snooping in our lives!" crap that people line the Bundy's (Who are Mormons!) like
to go on and on about...Really it's a fight for mind control over the sheeple and just another part of the
cult-like grip and grift the Mormons have...It's all about presenting a front..

/You know what they call axes that have two cutting edges don't you?
// Mormon Axes
/// Because that have two faces...
 
2021-04-17 5:06:05 AM  

OgreMagi: anuran: the Puritans were exceptions to that rule

The Puritan attitude of old (as in about the time they were heading to the New World) was "god made us to enjoy sex, so go about it merrily".  Of course, only in the confines of marriage.


Exactly. And they were considered a crazy sex cult for that. Didn't add to their already lousy reputation
 
2021-04-17 5:20:03 AM  
Mormons are here to make Scientology look normal. They're all  dumb and deceived.

How bad does your cult have to be to have your leader killed by 200 men for screwing all their women?

And then, you get chased all the way across the country to the salt flats that no one wants to live in and you idiots call that the "Promised Land"?

Americans are the dumbest group of people on the planet and Mormons are the dumbest of the dumb.

Good thing God is judging the country and is about to solve it. Revelation 17 and 18 if you need reference.
 
2021-04-17 5:40:41 AM  

daffy: I don't trust organized religions.


Trust me. Disorganized ones aren't any more trustworthy. They're just a little less dangerous because they can't get their shiat together enough to do long-term planning.
 
2021-04-17 6:39:17 AM  
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2021-04-17 7:08:17 AM  

aagrajag: anuran: aagrajag: oopsboom: Doctoral Candidate Zaius: I guess it's not a bad thing that there's someone out there who was in the thick of the religious wackiness, who is able to help people realize that their human urges and feelings are normal.

that doesn't mean she needs to stay a member though.  except if she wasnt a member they wouldnt let her counsel them.  the whole situation is a little like saying its important to have someone who's an active gang member and has participated in at least one drive by shooting in the last month so they can be a better cop.

most of the shiat people are probably being counseled for is likely being CAUSED by the archaic religious nonsense.  masturbation sends you to hell.  homosexuality sends you to hell.  being transgender sends you to hell.  etc etc.  maybe if their religion wasnt all flaming jackasses who were so ready to abandon family members at the drop of a hat their kids would need counseling a bit less.

most of these religious teachings arent "whackiness" they're emotional abuse of family members.  usually of children.

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most of the shiat people are probably being counseled for is likely being CAUSED by the archaic religious nonsense

Bloody this!

Mormonism is second only to Islam when it comes to sexual repression, abuse of women, and overall social dysfunction.

Oh, Islam isn't even vaguely the worst for this

Oh, I'm sure there are some tiny sects and cults that are worse, but of major religions? Of those with their own entries in paper encyclopedias? Islam < Mormonism < Fundy Christianity

Only the first of those legally executes women for adultery, and men for being gay. The second just blames and shuns you.


You forgot the Amish and Mennonites. There is a lot of child, sexual abuse where the victim is forced to forgive the abuser or face shunning.

We get so easily distracted by their good old fashion nostalgic way of living it's like we take one look and forget there are monsters among the sheep.
 
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