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2021-04-16 11:07:14 PM  
"VAC bans are permanent, non-negotiable, and cannot be removed by Steam support,"

"everything else an esports pro loses with a VAC ban, including access to their entire Steam library "



So.. they've never made a mistake?  And they just deny you access to everything you bought?

Jesus.  I hate cheaters and griefers as much as the next guy - they're the reason I strongly prefer single-player games - but this is insane as a policy.
 
2021-04-16 11:23:54 PM  
Sadly, I play APEX.

Yes, it's a hot mess.
Yes, you have seven year olds screaming in your ear.

No, when you shoot someone they don't turn into a seven story tower.

But, it has an incredibly random intro and encounters. One of the few shooters where being and old left-hander can be offset by strategy.

One thing ot also has is cheaters. Whether on your team or another, that hiccup slowdown and rapid headshot kill just makes me sad.

I've been paired with and killed by some amazing players, but it's just not fun riding along with a 12 kill god.
 
2021-04-16 11:52:55 PM  

Unsung_Hero: "VAC bans are permanent, non-negotiable, and cannot be removed by Steam support,"

"everything else an esports pro loses with a VAC ban, including access to their entire Steam library "


So.. they've never made a mistake?  And they just deny you access to everything you bought?

Jesus.  I hate cheaters and griefers as much as the next guy - they're the reason I strongly prefer single-player games - but this is insane as a policy.


Yes and no-ish.  They do investigate the living shiate out of VAC bans before they lay them down.  Pretty much beyond the same point they'd investigate on a normal ban appeal.  You're not really getting any less attention to the validity of the thing than you would with a regular appeal, it's just front-loaded.  Kinda like appealing a denial of security clearance in the real world - you can but without something truly, truly amazing they're going to tell you we've already looked at it, and the answer is no because you had some farked up shiat going.

/no, not out of the goodness of their hearts or a desire for justice
//those bans are expensive for them, comparitively
///they dump JoeButthole27 they lose some people that'd come hang out following him too
////no it's not OMGZ we'll go bankrupt, but it's a hell of a lot more of a consideration than the decision on banning RandomNoStreamSoloGuy38
 
2021-04-17 6:10:43 AM  

Unsung_Hero: "VAC bans are permanent, non-negotiable, and cannot be removed by Steam support,"

"everything else an esports pro loses with a VAC ban, including access to their entire Steam library "


So.. they've never made a mistake?  And they just deny you access to everything you bought?

Jesus.  I hate cheaters and griefers as much as the next guy - they're the reason I strongly prefer single-player games - but this is insane as a policy.



According to Steam that article is wrong when it comes to what the ban entails.

https://support.steampowered.com/kb_a​r​ticle.php?ref=4044-qdhj-5691

What games can I play if I have been VAC banned?

VAC banned accounts can still play single-player games, local LAN games, and multiplayer on non VAC-secured game servers. To find non VAC-secured servers, from the Steam main menu click on View, select Servers, then select Not secure in the Anti-cheat dropdown.
 
2021-04-17 11:33:01 AM  
I'm wondering how this will play out for them (no pun intended).

Yeah it may attract those that have been hit with a ban, but no one's gonna want to play with or against someone accused of cheating so...
 
2021-04-17 11:49:04 AM  

freakdiablo: I'm wondering how this will play out for them (no pun intended).

Yeah it may attract those that have been hit with a ban, but no one's gonna want to play with or against someone accused of cheating so...


I'm kind of curious if they could have their own tourney.

I might be more interested to see a whole bunch of known cheaters and hackers competing with each other than regular gameplay. Regular gameplay sounds terribly boring to me, especially if FPS games. But honestly, the glitching and cheating could make for some hilarious antics and REALLY butthurt folks. I wouldn't binge it, but I could easily it being a good watch for an hour or two.
 
2021-04-17 12:40:06 PM  
Unsung_Hero: "VAC bans are permanent, non-negotiable, and cannot be removed by Steam support,"

"everything else an esports pro loses with a VAC ban, including access to their entire Steam library "


So.. they've never made a mistake?  And they just deny you access to everything you bought?

Jesus.  I hate cheaters and griefers as much as the next guy - they're the reason I strongly prefer single-player games - but this is insane as a policy.



Lookup on the situation as you being game night party host, more than being a retail store just selling arbitrary widgets to arbitrary people with no other involvement.


And that is how i host my table. The first time anyone is found to be less that 100% above board, they are never invited back to my house to be hosted as a desired gust by me. Nor will i personally have any interest in sitting at any table with someone i know to be a cheater.

Imagine it as a private card club. What do you think they do when a member is caught cheating other  members?

For me as free time social game time is a privilege you earn by making and maintaining friends, not a right anyone has that others must accept being subjected to their poor anti-social behavior. I perceive anyone in the "party host" position, to have a certain minimum amount of responsibility to host.

When a game like TF2 is run by individual server operators, they can pick and choose if they want to host a VAC table or not, and from among all of them we find the "parties" we have the most fun at  for how the host runs them.
So in the new rising paradigm of no more  private individual party hosts, the game company runs servers and party matching algorithms to get us into a game wiht others. We the payer do not get any agency which "party" we like to attend any more.
So i do believe the game companies have no choice but to fill the role of party host now.


I do totally see the POV of, not really into trusting private profits to not just decide they want more money now so you get assigned cheater status and made to buy it all over again.
But basically that's just way too low level a trust demand for me to give a chit about when i'm being asked to keep trusting cops wiht guns and now in more states, randos anywhere you go mighty be no permit open carry trust demands now too.

I'll take my chances on that trust, in favor of the card club doing the best it can to filter out the bottom feeders. And if that means harsh penalties on those who choose to cheat, so be it.
 
2021-04-17 6:17:38 PM  

Quantumbunny: freakdiablo: I'm wondering how this will play out for them (no pun intended).

Yeah it may attract those that have been hit with a ban, but no one's gonna want to play with or against someone accused of cheating so...

I'm kind of curious if they could have their own tourney.

I might be more interested to see a whole bunch of known cheaters and hackers competing with each other than regular gameplay. Regular gameplay sounds terribly boring to me, especially if FPS games. But honestly, the glitching and cheating could make for some hilarious antics and REALLY butthurt folks. I wouldn't binge it, but I could easily it being a good watch for an hour or two.


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2021-04-17 8:00:53 PM  

Quantumbunny: I might be more interested to see a whole bunch of known cheaters and hackers competing with each other than regular gameplay. Regular gameplay sounds terribly boring to me, especially if FPS games. But honestly, the glitching and cheating could make for some hilarious antics and REALLY butthurt folks. I wouldn't binge it, but I could easily it being a good watch for an hour or two.


Only if the surprise ending to the tournament is a last-minute join by an Admin playing in God Mode who claims the win, and then they're all told to fark off, they get nothing.

I'd not only watch that, I'd pay to watch it.
 
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