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(NYPost)   Lawyer for the Chicago cop who fatally shot 13-year-old Adam Toledo said it was "amazing and disheartening" that "very few" people had asked how the officer was doing   (nypost.com) divider line
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2021-04-16 1:48:50 PM  
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2021-04-16 1:52:08 PM  
How's the officer doing? Well, for one thing, he's alive, which is more than we can say about that 13 year old.
 
2021-04-16 1:53:59 PM  
"Specifically there is very little interest in the well being of the officer and the impact experienced by the officer who was required to use deadly force in the line of duty,"


All you can do when you see that word tossed in is throw your hands up in the air.
 
2021-04-16 1:56:33 PM  
I heard that 13 year old was top of his class in marksmanship.
 
2021-04-16 1:57:16 PM  
Is the cop dead by electric chair? That is my only concern.
 
2021-04-16 2:02:12 PM  
Hopefully he'll be doing 15 to 20.
 
2021-04-16 2:05:32 PM  
We assume he's alive. Is he not?
 
2021-04-16 2:34:31 PM  
I have friends who are killers; soldiers who did what they were told to do via a legal order.  They i worry about, help, and go shooting with, when civilian life gets to them.  Do my best to make sure we vacation in places where there are bans on fireworks, that sort of thing.

But I have never spared a second thought for a murderer.
 
2021-04-16 3:21:27 PM  
I hope he's doing hard time very soon.
 
2021-04-16 3:22:30 PM  
Is the gun OK, too?
 
2021-04-16 3:23:03 PM  
How is the officer doing?
 
2021-04-16 3:24:42 PM  
I sincerely hope someone does now and the answer is some version of "sweating out the sudden loss of their job, rediscovering their childhood religion and dreading the upcoming trial"
 
2021-04-16 3:25:14 PM  
the cop is likely to get free counseling and paid time off.

the dead kid and his family? not so much
 
2021-04-16 3:27:54 PM  
No, we don't care, it turns out real life isn't like Lethal Weapon.
 
2021-04-16 3:28:16 PM  
Somebody please! stop thinking about the children!
 
2021-04-16 3:28:51 PM  
The kid made a lot of bad decisions that night, and the cop made a bad one too.  Ain't no winners here.
 
2021-04-16 3:29:13 PM  
When you guys sprain your wrists patting each other on the back for having just blocked someone, please consider that others of us already had them blocked, and it kind of defeats the purpose if you keep quoting them.
 
2021-04-16 3:29:36 PM  
"Specifically there is very little interest in the well being of the officer and the impact experienced by the officer who was required to use deadly force in the line of duty,"

He told the kid to show his hands.  The kid showed his hands.  The cop then shot him.  If he was required to use deadly force on an individual who's complying, why both tell him to do anything?  Just shoot 1st, make requests later.
 
2021-04-16 3:30:12 PM  
Didn't we have a thread on this yesterday?
 
2021-04-16 3:30:41 PM  

asmodeus224: The kid made a lot of bad decisions that night, and the cop made a bad one too.  Ain't no winners here.


What the kid did was for the courts. Real life isn't like Judge Dredd either.
 
2021-04-16 3:31:26 PM  

Saiga410: How is the officer doing?


Why do we care
 
2021-04-16 3:31:43 PM  
*checks in on thread*

*promptly leaves thread*
 
2021-04-16 3:32:10 PM  

asmodeus224: The kid made a lot of bad decisions that night, and the cop made a bad one too.  Ain't no winners here.


Yeah and one of them is both a murderer and a loser.
 
2021-04-16 3:33:09 PM  
alive, I assume.
 
2021-04-16 3:33:45 PM  
Wow, this guy is so tone deaf that he's practically dead.

In a statement to The Daily Beast, Officer Eric Stillman's attorney wrote, "What is amazing and disheartening is that very few have asked about the welfare of the officer."
"Specifically there is very little interest in the wellbeing of the officer and the impact experienced by the officer who was required to use deadly force in the line of duty," the lawyer continued. "The officer involved has served his country and his city with honor and deserves our support."
 
2021-04-16 3:33:58 PM  
I haven't paid close attention to this case - only heard about it last night.

But as a general rule, if society gives a group of people the ability to use deadly force against members of the public, then any such use should be held to the highest standard and public scrutiny.

So yay, sucks to be the cop, but he if couldn't take the time to scrutinize the situation before firing his weapon, then he screwed up.
 
2021-04-16 3:34:58 PM  

LL316: "Specifically there is very little interest in the well being of the officer and the impact experienced by the officer who was required to use deadly force in the line of duty,"

He told the kid to show his hands.  The kid showed his hands.  The cop then shot him.  If he was required to use deadly force on an individual who's complying, why both tell him to do anything?  Just shoot 1st, make requests later.


I'm also amazed by the single shot, center body part, are we sure that was a legit cop?
 
2021-04-16 3:35:16 PM  

asmodeus224: The kid made a lot of bad decisions that night, and the cop made a bad one too.  Ain't no winners here.


Show me a 13 year old that doesn't make bad decisions but lives another day.

Then show me the cop that hasn't had hours and hours of training to avoid making bad decisions.

One was doing what is so ordinary the other, trained, had a literal script how they could have both "won".
 
2021-04-16 3:35:23 PM  
"But aside from that, Mrs. Lincoln, did you enjoy the play?"
 
2021-04-16 3:36:07 PM  
The officer was so traumatized that he falsely continue to claim that the kid had a gun in his hands when he shot him.

Hopefully he'll get over his trauma soon and correct the record.
 
2021-04-16 3:36:13 PM  
Mikey1969: "...deserves our support."

biatch slappin' hand just got real twitchy
 
2021-04-16 3:36:45 PM  

asmodeus224: The kid made a lot of bad decisions that night, and the cop made a bad one too.  Ain't no winners here.


True, but the cop can be considered a winner in that Illinois doesn't technically have the death penalty, and no jury would send the cop to death row anyway. So I guess he won being able to execute a kid without any real repercussions.
 
2021-04-16 3:40:10 PM  

To Wish Impossible Things: I haven't paid close attention to this case - only heard about it last night.

But as a general rule, if society gives a group of people the ability to use deadly force against members of the public, then any such use should be held to the highest standard and public scrutiny.

So yay, sucks to be the cop, but he if couldn't take the time to scrutinize the situation before firing his weapon, then he screwed up.


Very few cops would ever say he "screwed up". He acted as he was trained to do.

This is where the problem is and the disconnect between police and the people who are appalled at the way cops handle situations. The cops approve, because the actions taken are in accordance with their training. The public disapproves, because the actions are often morally indefensible.
 
2021-04-16 3:40:22 PM  

LL316: "Specifically there is very little interest in the well being of the officer and the impact experienced by the officer who was required to use deadly force in the line of duty,"

He told the kid to show his hands.  The kid showed his hands.  The cop then shot him.  If he was required to use deadly force on an individual who's complying, why both tell him to do anything?  Just shoot 1st, make requests later.


Yeah, deadly force was an option, not a requirement.  The kid had a gun, but you're supposed to give him an actual chance to drop it and comply.
 
2021-04-16 3:40:35 PM  

Dknsvsbl: LL316: "Specifically there is very little interest in the well being of the officer and the impact experienced by the officer who was required to use deadly force in the line of duty,"

He told the kid to show his hands.  The kid showed his hands.  The cop then shot him.  If he was required to use deadly force on an individual who's complying, why both tell him to do anything?  Just shoot 1st, make requests later.

I'm also amazed by the single shot, center body part, are we sure that was a legit cop?


Some of them spend a lot of time at the range.  It makes their penis bigger.

/And also kills children quicker.
 
2021-04-16 3:41:26 PM  
Does the cop still have a pulse?

Well, then. He's doing much better than Adam Toledo is, now is he?
 
2021-04-16 3:41:53 PM  
I'm sorry -- did I miss his tearful and remorseful press conference?
 
2021-04-16 3:42:14 PM  

parasol: asmodeus224: The kid made a lot of bad decisions that night, and the cop made a bad one too.  Ain't no winners here.

Show me a 13 year old that doesn't make bad decisions but lives another day.

Then show me the cop that hasn't had hours and hours of training to avoid making bad decisions.

One was doing what is so ordinary the other, trained, had a literal script how they could have both "won".


Because that *is* how the cop was trained.

This is why cops are so trigger happy - they're trained nowadays to shoot first. This is what has to change.
 
2021-04-16 3:43:46 PM  

flypusher713: LL316: "Specifically there is very little interest in the well being of the officer and the impact experienced by the officer who was required to use deadly force in the line of duty,"

He told the kid to show his hands.  The kid showed his hands.  The cop then shot him.  If he was required to use deadly force on an individual who's complying, why both tell him to do anything?  Just shoot 1st, make requests later.

Yeah, deadly force was an option, not a requirement.  The kid had a gun, but you're supposed to give him an actual chance to drop it and comply.


No, the kid had his hands empty and up when he was shot.
 
2021-04-16 3:43:53 PM  

Myrdinn: I have friends who are killers; soldiers who did what they were told to do via a legal order.  They i worry about, help, and go shooting with, when civilian life gets to them.  Do my best to make sure we vacation in places where there are bans on fireworks, that sort of thing.

But I have never spared a second thought for a murderer.


So you're worried about their PTSD, avoid fireworks, but go to gun ranges with them.

Makes sense.
 
2021-04-16 3:43:57 PM  

Generation_D: When you guys sprain your wrists patting each other on the back for having just blocked someone, please consider that others of us already had them blocked, and it kind of defeats the purpose if you keep quoting them.


I'd just skip the thread if I were you--expressing this kind of sentiment is a big part of communal affirmation of values, and in this case fairly important. Saying 'no, it's not okay to gloat over the murder of a surrendering, unarmed child' is something people need to do and hear.

/I'm still amazed Chicago is standing. The trio of 'unarmed, surrendering child' involves three actually universal human rules--you don't use lethal force against any of them, and in some cultures you don't do so much as smack them upside the head. I'm not sure if not rioting is a good thing or not right now--when these rules are broken, consequences need to happen, and we don't know the justice system will enforce them.
 
2021-04-16 3:45:36 PM  
How is the officer doing? Fine I guess, after all, he didn't just lose a son who was only 13.
 
2021-04-16 3:46:29 PM  
Stillman's union boss defended the cop's actions, saying he was "100 percent justified" and that his "actions were actually heroic."

Sometimes, as a lawyer, I wish I had the gigantic level of chutzpah and sheer lack of scruples to be able to say stuff like this with a straight face on behalf of a client.

But then again, I like being able to sleep at night.
 
2021-04-16 3:47:27 PM  

flypusher713: LL316: "Specifically there is very little interest in the well being of the officer and the impact experienced by the officer who was required to use deadly force in the line of duty,"

He told the kid to show his hands.  The kid showed his hands.  The cop then shot him.  If he was required to use deadly force on an individual who's complying, why both tell him to do anything?  Just shoot 1st, make requests later.

Yeah, deadly force was an option, not a requirement.  The kid had a gun, but you're supposed to give him an actual chance to drop it and comply.


The kid didn't have a gun. He had previously had a gun. He had dropped it and was complying when he was murdered.
 
2021-04-16 3:47:43 PM  

LL316: He told the kid to show his hands. The kid showed his hands. The cop then shot him.


Watch the bodycam video at full speed without any pauses. What you are describing happened in an instant. The kid was really stupid and it cost him his life.
 
2021-04-16 3:49:03 PM  

Befuddled: LL316: He told the kid to show his hands. The kid showed his hands. The cop then shot him.

Watch the bodycam video at full speed without any pauses. What you are describing happened in an instant. The kid was really stupid and it cost him his life.


Was he noncompliant, resisting, and presenting an imminent lethal threat to the officer? No? Then he shouldn't have been shot.
 
2021-04-16 3:49:49 PM  
Still love to post this, and just reflect. -guy lived despite waving a loaded gun at police

Armed man shot, injured by San Diego police in Mission Bay - YouTube
 
2021-04-16 3:50:52 PM  

Befuddled: LL316: He told the kid to show his hands. The kid showed his hands. The cop then shot him.

Watch the bodycam video at full speed without any pauses. What you are describing happened in an instant. The kid was really stupid and it cost him his life.


Congratulations for proving that the cop only intended to shoot that kid, because if it was truly in an instant, then the ONLY thought that cop had was to shoot that kid.
 
2021-04-16 3:51:20 PM  

Surrender your boo-tah: Being stupid at thirteen is a capital offence in your world?


Well, for the racists farks, the mere fact that he was black is enough of a reason.
 
2021-04-16 3:52:26 PM  

GardenWeasel: Is the cop dead by electric chair? That is my only concern.


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