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(The Hollywood Reporter)   Amazon's "The Lord of the Rings" show reportedly to cost *pinky to lip* $465M for just one season   (hollywoodreporter.com) divider line
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2021-04-16 1:56:57 PM  
Boy will they feel foolish, if the show is shiat.
 
2021-04-16 2:43:18 PM  
I want to see Wheel of Time. I've already seen "The Lords of the Rings".
 
2021-04-16 3:05:56 PM  
They could spend $1 Trillion and I don't think there's much more they could add after the Peter Jackson version.
 
2021-04-16 3:07:17 PM  

arrogantbastich: I want to see Wheel of Time. I've already seen "The Lords of the Rings".


I'm looking forward to seeing if they can pull off an adaptation of Asimov's Foundation books.

He was great at coming up with the big overarching ideas when it came to world building, but kind of sucked at believable characters and dialog.
 
2021-04-16 3:07:50 PM  

cfreak: They could spend $1 Trillion and I don't think there's much more they could add after the Peter Jackson version.


Goldberry!
 
2021-04-16 3:07:55 PM  
and they'll still bury it in their stupid farking interface so it takes 17 clicks to play the episode after the one you watched two nights ago.
 
2021-04-16 3:10:06 PM  
Oh that's why they can't pay their warehouse employees more. At least it's for a good reason
 
2021-04-16 3:16:09 PM  

arrogantbastich: I want to see Wheel of Time. I've already seen "The Lords of the Rings".


Wheel of Time TV pilot Winter Dragon
Youtube 7ZOCCEuROPk
 
2021-04-16 3:16:59 PM  

cfreak: They could spend $1 Trillion and I don't think there's much more they could add after the Peter Jackson version.


How about an interesting story and interesting characters? But then it wouldn't be LotR.

/not an "LotR" fan. At all.
 
2021-04-16 3:18:45 PM  
If the money invested in the first season is mainly the equivalent of start-up fees and future seasons are less expensive this might be okay.

Season 1 better really blow my socks off though.
 
2021-04-16 3:21:50 PM  
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2021-04-16 3:22:31 PM  
I thought I read somewhere this the half trillion was to shoot all five seasons at once, like LotR. Has that changed?
 
2021-04-16 3:33:21 PM  

cfreak: They could spend $1 Trillion and I don't think there's much more they could add after the Peter Jackson version.


They could give us Tolkien's ending.
 
2021-04-16 3:34:54 PM  

Lambskincoat: Boy will they feel foolish, if the show is shiat.


Well Quibi can pick it up if it fails I guess.
 
2021-04-16 3:39:36 PM  
With that kind of budget, they could have just about filmed The Expanse on Luna and Mars.
 
2021-04-16 3:45:22 PM  

Derp Du Jour: arrogantbastich: I want to see Wheel of Time. I've already seen "The Lords of the Rings".

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"Ilyena!  Ilyena!!"
 
2021-04-16 3:45:50 PM  
Misleading. $250 million of that was just to pay for the rights.

Even so, I'm sure they can sleep well at night knowing that their unprecedented investment is in the hands of two dudes nobody's ever heard of whose claim to fame is co-writing a rejected script for JJ-Trek 4
 
2021-04-16 3:46:19 PM  

TDWCom29: Oh that's why they can't pay their warehouse employees more. At least it's for a good reason


"Sorry you'll all have to pee in bottles for another few months... we had to do some LOTR reshoots..."
 
2021-04-16 3:48:22 PM  
This can only be:

A) Terrible
B) Awful
C) lolzorz1!!1
 
2021-04-16 3:57:36 PM  

baorao: and they'll still bury it in their stupid farking interface so it takes 17 clicks to play the episode after the one you watched two nights ago.


This. I'm convinced that most CEOs of streaming companies have never, ever used their products.  I'm looking at you, CBSParamount +.
 
2021-04-16 4:00:26 PM  
Hollywood Accounting = Money Laundering
 
2021-04-16 4:00:51 PM  

OldRod: Derp Du Jour: arrogantbastich: I want to see Wheel of Time. I've already seen "The Lords of the Rings".

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"Ilyena!  Ilyena!!"


/tugs braid
 
2021-04-16 4:05:26 PM  
Damn.  Throwing that kind of money at a show they could do Snow Crash or Neuromancer.  Or both.  Gimmie both.
 
2021-04-16 4:05:50 PM  
The guy who thought it was a good idea to have this dork screaming every ten seconds and saying really stupid "funny" lines is, or at least was, directing two of the episodes.

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It takes a lot to have me turn off anything with Bryce Dallas Howard seeing as how I've watched The Village multiple times and Lady in the Water once. The latest Jurassic World movie was unwatchable however, primarily due to that dipshiat's "comic relief."
 
2021-04-16 4:07:13 PM  

Manfred J. Hattan: baorao: and they'll still bury it in their stupid farking interface so it takes 17 clicks to play the episode after the one you watched two nights ago.

This. I'm convinced that most CEOs of streaming companies have never, ever used their products.  I'm looking at you, CBSParamount +.


I used the HBO app on a Firestick while house sitting for a friend, and if you paused a show long enough for the screen saver to kick in, it literally wouldn't remember what episode you were watching or where you were in it.
 
2021-04-16 4:08:15 PM  

arrogantbastich: I want to see Wheel of Time. I've already seen "The Lords of the Rings".


That kind of budget for a two-book single season of WoT would surpass my wildest dreams. The creation of Dragonmount would look at least as awesome as something from Godzilla King of the Monsters!

/With decent editing and compression they can probably do a decent version of WoT in five to six seasons.
 
2021-04-16 4:09:33 PM  

Derp Du Jour: arrogantbastich: I want to see Wheel of Time. I've already seen "The Lords of the Rings".

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I honestly kinda like some of what they did there with regard to Lews Therin's madness. When you consider what was actually happening when he thought he was playing hide and seek with his kids, and what the dolls actually are when Elan Morin 'heals' him, it was an interesting way to handle getting that across as opposed to him just walking around the ruined house.

Beyond that yeah, it's all kinds of awful. Hoping for a trailer for Amazon's take soon to get an idea how that'll go, still cautiously optimistic.
 
2021-04-16 4:12:03 PM  

Derp Du Jour: arrogantbastich: I want to see Wheel of Time. I've already seen "The Lords of the Rings".

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I hope when the Amazon series starts filming, they play this for the actors and say, "See this shiat? Don't do this."
 
2021-04-16 4:12:12 PM  

arrogantbastich: I want to see Wheel of Time. I've already seen "The Lords of the Rings".


Why?  Talk about a slog of a story to try to adapt.  It's out of place today without a serious revamp on tone and approach.  Too old to be relevant to today's social issue, too new to be "classic" or a solid archetype story.  Overstretched material, poorly written women and dumb, overpowered men making mistake after mistake while acting like petulant teenagers.

It was fun to read 15+ years ago, but there are so many better stories and worlds to focus a few hundred million dollars of entertainment capital on.  Not saying Middle Earth is the right place to go back to, but it's certainly better than WoT as an investment.
 
2021-04-16 4:12:53 PM  

Boojum2k: arrogantbastich: I want to see Wheel of Time. I've already seen "The Lords of the Rings".

That kind of budget for a two-book single season of WoT would surpass my wildest dreams. The creation of Dragonmount would look at least as awesome as something from Godzilla King of the Monsters!

/With decent editing and compression they can probably do a decent version of WoT in five to six seasons.


All they have to do is cut out things like learning how they brush their teeth.
 
2021-04-16 4:15:03 PM  

arrogantbastich: Boojum2k: arrogantbastich: I want to see Wheel of Time. I've already seen "The Lords of the Rings".

That kind of budget for a two-book single season of WoT would surpass my wildest dreams. The creation of Dragonmount would look at least as awesome as something from Godzilla King of the Monsters!

/With decent editing and compression they can probably do a decent version of WoT in five to six seasons.

All they have to do is cut out things like learning how they brush their teeth.


I'm obviously a big WoT fan, but I still laughed appreciatively at that.
 
2021-04-16 4:23:36 PM  

Manfred J. Hattan: baorao: and they'll still bury it in their stupid farking interface so it takes 17 clicks to play the episode after the one you watched two nights ago.

This. I'm convinced that most CEOs of streaming companies have never, ever used their products.  I'm looking at you, CBSParamount +.


with Amazon I assume it's a backdoor way to get more Alexa's out there.

but I'd guess there is a "how much do we pay out in residuals per stream?" methodology in the design. like the arrangement of gaming tables in a casino floor or the way grocery stores put milk as far away from the front entrance as possible.
 
2021-04-16 4:25:45 PM  

LL316: cfreak: They could spend $1 Trillion and I don't think there's much more they could add after the Peter Jackson version.

They could give us Tolkien's ending.


Are they making the Lord of the Rings?  In which they can not only add the right ending, but undo all the damage thanks to changing it.  Then you give the "hero's journey" to Frodo (or perhaps really Sam) and let Aragon be Aragon son of Arathon instead of Aragon son of Hamlet (Sr.).  You also get to do Faramir correctly instead of watered down with Aragon.  And don't even think about PJ's inclusion of Frodo betraying Sam (which JRRT explained why it wouldn't happen).

My understanding is that they were making up tales from the Second and early Third era based on the stuff in the appendicies.  An "alternative Silmarillion" not written by Guy Gavriel Kay and Christopher Tolkien if you will.  Presumably just like the extra bloat in PJ's Hobbit, only with even less Tolkien.
 
2021-04-16 4:34:00 PM  

Mr Tarantula: I thought I read somewhere this the half trillion was to shoot all five seasons at once, like LotR. Has that changed?


Isn't that half of Amazon's worth?
 
2021-04-16 4:38:07 PM  

yet_another_wumpus: Are they making the Lord of the Rings?


They're not. The show is set thousands of years before LOTR. This has been widely and repeatedly publicized, so I'm not sure what the folks above mean.
 
2021-04-16 4:48:46 PM  
This is going to fail HARD

Why?

1. The storyline won't be familiar to anyone unless they have read the Silmarillion
2. There really isn't any of the drama that Rings or GoT are famous for. Lots of hubris and arrogance, but the elves and Numenoreans weren't constantly stabbing each other in the back.
3. Sex and Boobs - Tolkien didn't put any of that in.
4. The good guys are well defined while the bad guys are few in number and so obviously the bad guys. In fact, since they are skipping Morkoth it is just going to be Sauron tricking the Lords of the West. I suspect they have been making a whole lot of new characters, many of them female, to create some actual drama.
 
2021-04-16 4:54:55 PM  

Boojum2k: arrogantbastich: I want to see Wheel of Time. I've already seen "The Lords of the Rings".

That kind of budget for a two-book single season of WoT would surpass my wildest dreams. The creation of Dragonmount would look at least as awesome as something from Godzilla King of the Monsters!

/With decent editing and compression they can probably do a decent version of WoT in five to six seasons.


I am currently trading the Wheel of Time, and I've nearly finished book 11, the last one Jordan released before his death. As much as I love this series...my god, the later books are as bad as people say they are. The early books were incredibly tight in their plots, every chapter seemed to move things forward in some discernible way. Even the slower chapters felt like they were important to the overall story.

But then somewhere around Lord of Chaos, Jordan decided world-building was more important than plot advancement. Jesus Christ, you can literally cut out so many chapters from books 6-10 and it wouldn't affect the story in any way. Rand's stalemate with the Seanchan, Elayne's succession war in Caemlyn, Faile being captured by the Shaido, it all drags far beyond what is necessary. Crossroads of Twilight is especially bad because it only shows what happens over the span of two days after perhaps the biggest plot point in the entire series (Jordan himself later called this book a failed experiment). So many plot points can be condensed or excised from these books, it's ridiculous.

If the Wheel of Time is indeed going to be made into a series like I've been hearing, there is no way in hell a direct adaptation will work, especially with the later books. Please, for the love of god, condense these tomes into something manageable. We have the books, we don't need to see every one of Nyneave's braid tugs on screen.
 
2021-04-16 4:56:54 PM  

madgonad: 1. The storyline won't be familiar to anyone unless they have read the Silmarillion


It won't be familiar to THEM, either. Guaranteed almost the entire show is going to be new material created from whole cloth, with only the broadest strokes actually coming from Tolkien's work. He didn't do much writing on the second age, so there isn't much to draw on.

This show is basically going to be fan fiction.
 
2021-04-16 5:01:16 PM  
I find it odd they would go to the Second Age when they could start from the very beginning with Eru.

Nonetheless, the further tales of LOTR is something I have been patiently waiting for. Of course they're going to have to take liberties, of course they're going to have to fill in some blanks, of course they're going to just flat out make some sh*t up in parts....I don't care.

I want more LOTR and I will watch it.
 
2021-04-16 5:05:20 PM  

shoegaze99: It won't be familiar to THEM, either. Guaranteed almost the entire show is going to be new material created from whole cloth, with only the broadest strokes actually coming from Tolkien's work. He didn't do much writing on the second age, so there isn't much to draw on.


Unfinished Tales provides a good chunk of material on the Second Age, as does the appendices from the other books.

I don't know how they would begin the series with the raising of Numenor, since prior events are very crucial for how that came about.

Anyway, I'm giddy. I can't wait.
 
2021-04-16 5:07:11 PM  

drjekel_mrhyde: Mr Tarantula: I thought I read somewhere this the half trillion was to shoot all five seasons at once, like LotR. Has that changed?

Isn't that half of Amazon's worth?


The dragons aren't gonna genetically engineer themselves.
 
2021-04-16 5:13:58 PM  
I could do it for 464M.  Call me.
 
2021-04-16 5:18:04 PM  

Rev.K: shoegaze99: It won't be familiar to THEM, either. Guaranteed almost the entire show is going to be new material created from whole cloth, with only the broadest strokes actually coming from Tolkien's work. He didn't do much writing on the second age, so there isn't much to draw on.

Unfinished Tales provides a good chunk of material on the Second Age, as does the appendices from the other books.


"Good chunk" is being generous. The broad strokes are there, but that's about it. You can't build an entire TV series around it without making up 90+% of it on your own. The vast majority of his second age writings are just big milestone stuff. You get the broad sweep of Sauron did X in this year, this king died in Z year, etc., but almost none of it digs deep into details, characters, etc.

This isn't a criticism of Tolkien, mind you -- I've been reading his stuff my whole life for a reason -- it's just to say that we shouldn't approach the show as an adaptation. It will barely qualify.
 
2021-04-16 5:19:15 PM  

shoegaze99: madgonad: 1. The storyline won't be familiar to anyone unless they have read the Silmarillion

It won't be familiar to THEM, either. Guaranteed almost the entire show is going to be new material created from whole cloth, with only the broadest strokes actually coming from Tolkien's work. He didn't do much writing on the second age, so there isn't much to draw on.

This show is basically going to be fan fiction.


I agree. The only interesting drama happened before the War of Wrath. The elves (well, Feanor's kids) killed each other the most in competition to reclaim the Silmarils.

Watching Sauron corrupt Numenor (going from prisoner to high priest and chief advisor in three years!!!) is just going to seem stupid.
 
2021-04-16 5:25:56 PM  

cfreak: They could spend $1 Trillion and I don't think there's much more they could add after the Peter Jackson version.


Peter Jackson didn't have a sexy Sauron in his trilogy.
 
2021-04-16 5:26:13 PM  
Whar Red Rising show?
 
2021-04-16 5:29:20 PM  
Given it's based on a few hundred thousand words that cover the Second Age... the entire weight of this is on the writers. It's not really based on anything beyond "general flavour".
 
2021-04-16 5:32:24 PM  

cfreak: They could spend $1 Trillion and I don't think there's much more they could add after the Peter Jackson version.


Second Age, totally different...
 
2021-04-16 5:33:12 PM  

Nick el Ass: cfreak: They could spend $1 Trillion and I don't think there's much more they could add after the Peter Jackson version.

Peter Jackson didn't have a sexy Sauron in his trilogy.


He did one 3 hour movie for each book. GoT did 4x as much content per book. Jackson had plenty of story to get through without needing to kill time with boobs. Amazon has over 3,000 years to cover, but only the barest of outlines on what happens. Heck, they might even show the narrative out of order.
 
2021-04-16 5:35:43 PM  

Boojum2k: arrogantbastich: I want to see Wheel of Time. I've already seen "The Lords of the Rings".

That kind of budget for a two-book single season of WoT would surpass my wildest dreams. The creation of Dragonmount would look at least as awesome as something from Godzilla King of the Monsters!

/With decent editing and compression they can probably do a decent version of WoT in five to six seasons.


How could you ever fit all of the braid tugging and hat describing in so few seasons?
 
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