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2021-04-16 11:19:30 AM  
Deserts get a certain amount of precipitation each year. It's against that that a drought is measured.
 
2021-04-16 11:23:20 AM  
Subs doesn't realize that there are different types of deserts. If all you think of is the Sahara, then you only consider 1 desert.

And it is a big f*cking deal as droughts are slow death. The drought in Colorado is going to impact LA, San Diego, Imperial Valley and other places across the West.

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2021-04-16 12:12:06 PM  
Well, there certainly is a drought in intelligence
 
2021-04-16 12:25:12 PM  
fark Arizona, I won't even fly over that third world shiathole anymore.

/Live in hell, rent out Phoenix....
 
2021-04-16 12:43:00 PM  
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2021-04-16 12:43:26 PM  
Fix this, then I may start to care, Arizona.

GIS
 
2021-04-16 12:44:16 PM  
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Hey guys, what's going on in this thread?
 
2021-04-16 12:45:26 PM  
Deserts certainly do have droughts. Subby needs to read a bit more.
 
2021-04-16 12:47:41 PM  

Nadie_AZ: Subs doesn't realize that there are different types of deserts. If all you think of is the Sahara, then you only consider 1 desert.

And it is a big f*cking deal as droughts are slow death. The drought in Colorado is going to impact LA, San Diego, Imperial Valley and other places across the West.

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Also, the fact that not 100% of Arizona is desert and the parts that are belong to separate deserts.  Somehow people don't realize huge portions of the state are massive forests, woodland, or grassland.

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2021-04-16 12:48:22 PM  
I live in Tucson so I'm getting a kick out of...


/I'll be back after I add more water to my pool
//And wash my car
///And water my plants
 
2021-04-16 12:56:40 PM  

Nadie_AZ: Subs doesn't realize that there are different types of deserts. If all you think of is the Sahara, then you only consider 1 desert.

And it is a big f*cking deal as droughts are slow death. The drought in Colorado is going to impact LA, San Diego, Imperial Valley and other places across the West.

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A whole lot of low-moisture agriculture in New Mexico and Arizona that still needs rain to grow.  Between that, and the lack of snowmelt feeding the rivers, things are going to suck food-wise for a while.
 
2021-04-16 1:01:20 PM  
"Generally deserts are defined as areas that receive an average annual precipitation of less than 250 mm (10 inches)."

"Arizona receives an average of 13" (330.2mm)"
 
2021-04-16 1:01:46 PM  

New Rising Sun: Nadie_AZ: Subs doesn't realize that there are different types of deserts. If all you think of is the Sahara, then you only consider 1 desert.

And it is a big f*cking deal as droughts are slow death. The drought in Colorado is going to impact LA, San Diego, Imperial Valley and other places across the West.

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Also, the fact that not 100% of Arizona is desert and the parts that are belong to separate deserts.  Somehow people don't realize huge portions of the state are massive forests, woodland, or grassland.

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People also don't realize that basically half the state is at a higher elevation, which is why there can be forests up north.
 
2021-04-16 1:05:10 PM  
If "Exceptional Drought" is the worst kind, what's the even deeper-brown shading on the map? "Morgoth-saturated?"

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2021-04-16 1:06:20 PM  

New Rising Sun: Nadie_AZ: Subs doesn't realize that there are different types of deserts. If all you think of is the Sahara, then you only consider 1 desert.

And it is a big f*cking deal as droughts are slow death. The drought in Colorado is going to impact LA, San Diego, Imperial Valley and other places across the West.

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Also, the fact that not 100% of Arizona is desert and the parts that are belong to separate deserts.  Somehow people don't realize huge portions of the state are massive forests, woodland, or grassland.

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Subby is a little dense, ignorant, too.
 
2021-04-16 1:08:36 PM  
TheSwizz

Fix this, then I may start to care, Arizona.

GIS


And all those golf courses are manufactured green. once the drought gets bad enough they are no longer allowed to waste thousands of gallons of water a day keeping them green, those pictures will make dramatic changes pretty quickly.So they'll get fixed at that point. Very likely this summer.
 
2021-04-16 1:11:23 PM  

ShamanGator: TheSwizz

Fix this, then I may start to care, Arizona.

GIS

And all those golf courses are manufactured green. once the drought gets bad enough they are no longer allowed to waste thousands of gallons of water a day keeping them green, those pictures will make dramatic changes pretty quickly.So they'll get fixed at that point. Very likely this summer.


Plus golf courses, around here anyway, use reclaimed water. It's not really suitable for drinking but it keeps the courses green.
 
2021-04-16 1:12:27 PM  
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Did someone say dessert draught?
 
2021-04-16 1:23:13 PM  
The historic drought conditions have been affecting the West for decades now.

Yeah, that's called the climate, not a drought.
 
2021-04-16 1:23:22 PM  

NM Volunteer: Nadie_AZ: Subs doesn't realize that there are different types of deserts. If all you think of is the Sahara, then you only consider 1 desert.

And it is a big f*cking deal as droughts are slow death. The drought in Colorado is going to impact LA, San Diego, Imperial Valley and other places across the West.

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A whole lot of low-moisture agriculture in New Mexico and Arizona that still needs rain to grow.  Between that, and the lack of snowmelt feeding the rivers, things are going to suck food-wise for a while.


The Rio Grande is near all time lows from what I've read. Albuquerque is using Colorado River water to supplement it. We are in the same boat.

All I hear in Arizona is how 'if we stopped farming things, we could save so much water' and I keep wondering what people are going to eat or wear? The arrogance to suggest we only use water for commercial or residential use is ignorant for the casual person and dangerous for the politician and businessman.
 
2021-04-16 1:24:52 PM  

The Dog Ate My Homework: The historic drought conditions have been affecting the West for decades now.

Yeah, that's called the climate, not a drought.


The US Southwest is experiencing man made aridification. Desertification. Some call it a megadrought, but this isn't based on natural cycles. Yes, climate change is magnifying the problem, but the root cause is a century old.
 
2021-04-16 1:26:08 PM  

Gin Buddy: ShamanGator: TheSwizz

Fix this, then I may start to care, Arizona.

GIS

And all those golf courses are manufactured green. once the drought gets bad enough they are no longer allowed to waste thousands of gallons of water a day keeping them green, those pictures will make dramatic changes pretty quickly.So they'll get fixed at that point. Very likely this summer.

Plus golf courses, around here anyway, use reclaimed water. It's not really suitable for drinking but it keeps the courses green.


Those green spaces also help refill the local aquifers, although I prefer artificial wetlands over a large expanse of sod.  The Gilbert riparian preserve and Chandler oasis park are a pair of good examples.
 
2021-04-16 1:28:48 PM  

Nadie_AZ: NM Volunteer: Nadie_AZ: Subs doesn't realize that there are different types of deserts. If all you think of is the Sahara, then you only consider 1 desert.

And it is a big f*cking deal as droughts are slow death. The drought in Colorado is going to impact LA, San Diego, Imperial Valley and other places across the West.

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A whole lot of low-moisture agriculture in New Mexico and Arizona that still needs rain to grow.  Between that, and the lack of snowmelt feeding the rivers, things are going to suck food-wise for a while.

The Rio Grande is near all time lows from what I've read. Albuquerque is using Colorado River water to supplement it. We are in the same boat.

All I hear in Arizona is how 'if we stopped farming things, we could save so much water' and I keep wondering what people are going to eat or wear? The arrogance to suggest we only use water for commercial or residential use is ignorant for the casual person and dangerous for the politician and businessman.


And if the rivers dry up, there goes peppers, dairy, silage, pecans, and beans.  Not to mention the oil industry will have to reduce fracking and drilling because the water is needed elsewhere.
 
2021-04-16 1:33:36 PM  

Nadie_AZ: The Dog Ate My Homework: The historic drought conditions have been affecting the West for decades now.

Yeah, that's called the climate, not a drought.

The US Southwest is experiencing man made aridification. Desertification. Some call it a megadrought, but this isn't based on natural cycles. Yes, climate change is magnifying the problem, but the root cause is a century old.


Out in New Mexico, it is a mix of climate change and human-created damage.  It used to be seas of grass in the central basins and in the eastern part of the state.  But that was vacuumed up by the large herds of cattle brought in by Texans like John Chisum, who stole the land grants and made the army drive away the Native Americans living on the land.  The native grasses have not fully returned, and continued grazing by cattle had just made it worse.  They tried in the 1930s to stop the dust bowl, but a new dust bowl is starting again because the measures they introduced just slowed it.  The loss of that native grass has been as damaging as the current drought.
 
2021-04-16 1:35:59 PM  

Nadie_AZ: NM Volunteer: Nadie_AZ: Subs doesn't realize that there are different types of deserts. If all you think of is the Sahara, then you only consider 1 desert.

And it is a big f*cking deal as droughts are slow death. The drought in Colorado is going to impact LA, San Diego, Imperial Valley and other places across the West.

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A whole lot of low-moisture agriculture in New Mexico and Arizona that still needs rain to grow.  Between that, and the lack of snowmelt feeding the rivers, things are going to suck food-wise for a while.

The Rio Grande is near all time lows from what I've read. Albuquerque is using Colorado River water to supplement it. We are in the same boat.

All I hear in Arizona is how 'if we stopped farming things, we could save so much water' and I keep wondering what people are going to eat or wear? The arrogance to suggest we only use water for commercial or residential use is ignorant for the casual person and dangerous for the politician and businessman.


People advocating for the end of all agriculture in Arizona are a small and extreme minority.  The call to rein in the water consumption of the most thirsty crops has much broader support, including folks within the industry.

Once the aquifers and reservoirs are drained, you're going to see a massive collapse of the agriculture industry in the state.  Telling alfalfa, cotton, and almond growers to cut back production somewhat to prevent that isn't arrogance, it is common sense.
 
2021-04-16 2:17:48 PM  
surely there are taxes they can reduce or social programs they can eliminate.   that'll get the rain falling pronto.
 
2021-04-16 2:45:44 PM  

New Rising Sun: Nadie_AZ: Subs doesn't realize that there are different types of deserts. If all you think of is the Sahara, then you only consider 1 desert.

And it is a big f*cking deal as droughts are slow death. The drought in Colorado is going to impact LA, San Diego, Imperial Valley and other places across the West.

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Also, the fact that not 100% of Arizona is desert and the parts that are belong to separate deserts.  Somehow people don't realize huge portions of the state are massive forests, woodland, or grassland.

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That's a great map.  Best part are the little pinpricks of tundra up in the mountains
 
2021-04-16 2:48:21 PM  

Nadie_AZ: NM Volunteer: Nadie_AZ: Subs doesn't realize that there are different types of deserts. If all you think of is the Sahara, then you only consider 1 desert.

And it is a big f*cking deal as droughts are slow death. The drought in Colorado is going to impact LA, San Diego, Imperial Valley and other places across the West.

[Fark user image image 850x747]

A whole lot of low-moisture agriculture in New Mexico and Arizona that still needs rain to grow.  Between that, and the lack of snowmelt feeding the rivers, things are going to suck food-wise for a while.

The Rio Grande is near all time lows from what I've read. Albuquerque is using Colorado River water to supplement it. We are in the same boat.

All I hear in Arizona is how 'if we stopped farming things, we could save so much water' and I keep wondering what people are going to eat or wear? The arrogance to suggest we only use water for commercial or residential use is ignorant for the casual person and dangerous for the politician and businessman.


Modest proposal... Grow the food where the water is.

/ Or eat poor children.  Ether way.
 
2021-04-16 3:20:21 PM  

ShamanGator: TheSwizz

Fix this, then I may start to care, Arizona.

GIS

And all those golf courses are manufactured green. once the drought gets bad enough they are no longer allowed to waste thousands of gallons of water a day keeping them green, those pictures will make dramatic changes pretty quickly.So they'll get fixed at that point. Very likely this summer.


The golf courses in Tucson are on reclaimed water they get from the water treatment plants. It's supposed to be further filtered by the ground. I don't know about the courses outside the city limits.
 
2021-04-16 3:20:41 PM  

BigNumber12: If "Exceptional Drought" is the worst kind, what's the even deeper-brown shading on the map? "Morgoth-saturated?"

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California, Nevada, Utah, Colorado, and New Mexico.

They're darkened to highlight Arizona.
 
2021-04-16 4:43:56 PM  

TypoFlyspray: New Rising Sun: Nadie_AZ: Subs doesn't realize that there are different types of deserts. If all you think of is the Sahara, then you only consider 1 desert.

And it is a big f*cking deal as droughts are slow death. The drought in Colorado is going to impact LA, San Diego, Imperial Valley and other places across the West.

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Also, the fact that not 100% of Arizona is desert and the parts that are belong to separate deserts.  Somehow people don't realize huge portions of the state are massive forests, woodland, or grassland.

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That's a great map.  Best part are the little pinpricks of tundra up in the mountains


Arizona is one of the most beautiful parts of the country.  It has widely varied terrains and climate and, if you enjoy the outdoors, is an amazing place to be.  It sadly, however, comes with a healthy dose of MAGA crazy.
 
2021-04-16 5:07:03 PM  
A desert is not a wasteland. Deserts are full of the most hardy plants, birds, insects, and mammals making a life in the harshest conditions.
 
2021-04-16 5:09:11 PM  

runs with mutts: The golf courses in Tucson are on reclaimed water they get from the water treatment plants. It's supposed to be further filtered by the ground. I don't know about the courses outside the city limits.


As potable water reuse becomes more common, I wonder if they'll lose "it's recycled water!" as a shield

TypoFlyspray: Modest proposal... Grow the food where the water is.

/ Or eat poor children. Ether way.


Water can be stored and transported for use at different times and in different places. Farmland and sunshine cannot.
 
2021-04-16 5:12:29 PM  

TypoFlyspray: Modest proposal... Grow the food where the water is.

/ Or eat poor children. Ether way.


I mean, I really do not get this mentality. "We can only grow food here 90% of the time, therefore we should never grow food here!"

Fallow when water isn't available. Problem solved.
 
2021-04-17 1:06:54 AM  

Enigmamf: TypoFlyspray: Modest proposal... Grow the food where the water is.

/ Or eat poor children. Ether way.

I mean, I really do not get this mentality. "We can only grow food here 90% of the time, therefore we should never grow food here!"

Fallow when water isn't available. Problem solved.


Plus a lot of that doesn't use a lot of water to begin with.  Insufficient water doesn't mean the agriculture is wasteful.  Insufficient water means there is a freaking crisis.
 
2021-04-17 8:39:42 AM  

Enigmamf: Water can be stored and transported for use at different times and in different places. Farmland and sunshine cannot.


Let me try that again: draining the Colorado to water a desert is a fundamental waste of money, effort, and ecology. Yes, you are correct that the sheer amount of sunlight available makes it an arguably good idea, but with the climate changing (which is how one would get 17years of drought in the last 20), it becomes a less and less good idea.  Now, I understand, grow the food where the food would grow without having to have half a river dumped on it and ultimately a third of that going up in evaporation, it's a simple idea, and no solution to a complex problem is that simple, but dismissing it out of hand is equally simple minded.  One could, for instance, optimize the crops grown to the ones that are least thirsty, for instance. And I'm sure there is much more that can and should be done (drip irrigation, for instance, rather than spray), and I'm certain, not being an agricultural specialist, a lot is being done that I simply don't know about.  But we can and must do better.  Or, of course, import poor Irish children for dinner.
 
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