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(Twitter)   Monday: Knoxville PD reports they killed a school shooter. Tuesday update: not a school shooter. Wednesday update: unarmed student killed during a "scuffle" after the officer shot himself in the hip. And no, they're not releasing the body cam footage   (twitter.com) divider line
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2021-04-16 10:19:02 AM  
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2021-04-16 10:29:49 AM  
 
2021-04-16 10:37:03 AM  

gar1013: Students there have been getting shot quite frequently over the past few months:

https://www.knoxnews.com/story/news/20​21/03/11/music-outlet-knoxville-rapper​-jamarion-lil-dada-gillette/6943985002​/


https://www.knoxnews.com/story/news/20​21/02/19/coaches-and-friends-mourn-los​s-janaria-muhammad/4491749001/


https://www.knoxnews.com/story/news/cr​ime/2021/03/15/knoxville-police-make-a​rrest-stanley-freeman-jr-case/44954700​01/

https://www.knoxnews.com/story/news/cr​ime/2021/04/01/knoxville-police-say-th​ey-dont-have-info-share-teens-deaths/4​833256001/

So Subby, do you think police should just ignore a kid showing up to school with a gun?


Why shouldn't they? TN is anyone carry anywhere now, right? Or do only white people have the right?

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2021-04-16 10:44:34 AM  
So a cop murdered a child and the local government is trying to cover it up.  That sounds familiar.
 
2021-04-16 10:52:49 AM  

kudayta: So a cop murdered a child and the local government is trying to cover it up.  That sounds familiar.


Every. God. Damn. Day.
 
2021-04-16 11:00:22 AM  
Why are body cams so expensive?
 
2021-04-16 11:00:31 AM  

AdmirableSnackbar: kudayta: So a cop murdered a child and the local government is trying to cover it up.  That sounds familiar.

Every. God. Damn. Day.


Patton: Every Goddamn Day
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2021-04-16 11:02:25 AM  
We need to stop reporting what the police say as fact. The fact is, police lie.
Often.
Anything they say should be prefaced in the news with the phrase "Police Claim".
It's suble, but until the facts come out, the police story is not fact, it's a claim.
/Often, a highly biased, very self serving claim.
 
2021-04-16 11:02:28 AM  

MythDragon: Why are body cams so expensive?


The question should be, "Why aren't bodycams required to be on the person of every uniformed, on-duty police officer in America and on 100 % of the time of their shift?"
 
2021-04-16 11:03:05 AM  

MythDragon: Why are body cams so expensive?


They lead to wrongful death suits.
 
2021-04-16 11:03:10 AM  
What if it turns out to have been a kerfuffle, not a scuffle?
 
2021-04-16 11:03:20 AM  

MythDragon: Why are body cams so expensive?


The joke is that ANY of those past settlements would have covered bodycams for the whole US, which -hopefully- would have had at least half of them behave better.
 
2021-04-16 11:08:34 AM  

Resident Muslim: MythDragon: Why are body cams so expensive?

The joke is that ANY of those past settlements would have covered bodycams for the whole US, which -hopefully- would have had at least half of them behave better.


IIRC, I think it was the company that makes tasers, offered to provide free body cams to every cop in the US a few years back and also provide the storage. I assume no one took them up on their offer.
 
2021-04-16 11:08:44 AM  
So at this rate by the end of the week we'll be at "Officer shot an unarmed student, then shot himself in the hip to try provide cover for murdering an unarmed kid."
 
2021-04-16 11:09:41 AM  
I can think of a few reasons national media stopped talking about it. But local media still seems to be covering it, so don't roll out that jump to conclusions mat just yet.

https://www.knoxnews.com/story/news/c​r​ime/2021/04/16/police-shooting-anthony​-j-thompson-jr-knoxville-latest-update​s/7227992002/
 
2021-04-16 11:09:42 AM  

DarkSoulNoHope: MythDragon: Why are body cams so expensive?

The question should be, "Why aren't bodycams required to be on the person of every uniformed, on-duty police officer in America and on 100 % of the time of their shift?"


Because what if they go to the bathroom?!?!  I mean when I use a urinal my dick is so huge that a camera pointing out of my chest can see it.
 
2021-04-16 11:10:42 AM  

kudayta: So a cop murdered a child and the local government is trying to cover it up.  That sounds familiar.


Nothing will change until people march up to the criminal gang in blue uniforms workplace with guns and take the murdering cops into custody of the citizen.

America needs citizen trials for these cops. Fark the lawyers. Fark the judges. Fark the pro-police juries. You murder someone for no farking reason? You go to jail for life, end of story.
 
2021-04-16 11:11:42 AM  

Private_Citizen: We need to stop reporting what the police say as fact. The fact is, police lie.
Often.
Anything they say should be prefaced in the news with the phrase "Police Claim".
It's suble, but until the facts come out, the police story is not fact, it's a claim.
/Often, a highly biased, very self serving claim.


Doubt all police statements unless there's video confirmation.
Almost daily police brutality shiat and almost daily mass shooting shiat. I am farking fed up.
 
2021-04-16 11:11:57 AM  

gar1013: Students there have been getting shot quite frequently over the past few months:

https://www.knoxnews.com/story/news/20​21/03/11/music-outlet-knoxville-rapper​-jamarion-lil-dada-gillette/6943985002​/


https://www.knoxnews.com/story/news/20​21/02/19/coaches-and-friends-mourn-los​s-janaria-muhammad/4491749001/


https://www.knoxnews.com/story/news/cr​ime/2021/03/15/knoxville-police-make-a​rrest-stanley-freeman-jr-case/44954700​01/

https://www.knoxnews.com/story/news/cr​ime/2021/04/01/knoxville-police-say-th​ey-dont-have-info-share-teens-deaths/4​833256001/

So Subby, do you think police should just ignore a kid showing up to school with a gun?


Um. Yeh. If they brandish or show it off. BUT if not, they may just be trying to get home safely. And besides, there's no CCW rules here, so, Anthony was fully in the right. Hell, he could have shot the cop (instead of the cop shooting himself) and still been in the clear (if he felt threatened) thanks to the new law. Read the horseshiat bill that became law.
 
2021-04-16 11:13:12 AM  

MythDragon: Why are body cams so expensive?


Straight answer: Because the cost isn't in the hardware.  It's the software and service.  Bodycams are not as simple as just passing out GoPros and telling cops to be responsible.  The software to make sure that bodycams are recording even if cops forget to turn them on, or turn them on late, is not simple.  You have chain of custody issues to deal with, so they need some kind of system to ensure that footage is authentic and hasn't been tampered with.  You've got to create and maintain a database to hold an exponentially growing volume of bodycam footage.  It's a lot.

Consider that for the iPhone in your pocket, 90% of the cost of that phone is software, not hardware.  And Apple gets to spread that cost across 1 billion users or more.  Bodycam companies have to spread development costs across maybe just tens of thousands of users.
 
2021-04-16 11:13:18 AM  

Gunner's Mate First Class Phillip Asshole: DarkSoulNoHope: MythDragon: Why are body cams so expensive?

The question should be, "Why aren't bodycams required to be on the person of every uniformed, on-duty police officer in America and on 100 % of the time of their shift?"

Because what if they go to the bathroom?!?!  I mean when I use a urinal my dick is so huge that a camera pointing out of my chest can see it.


May be a conflict of interest, but crosspoat to onlyfans?
 
2021-04-16 11:13:25 AM  

MythDragon: Why are body cams so expensive?


K-town only wants them if they control when they run, and if they have the ability to delete footage at the patrol car level.
 
2021-04-16 11:13:31 AM  
This is getting very tiresome. No wonder people are on their last nerve.
 
2021-04-16 11:13:53 AM  

Gunner's Mate First Class Phillip Asshole: DarkSoulNoHope: MythDragon: Why are body cams so expensive?

The question should be, "Why aren't bodycams required to be on the person of every uniformed, on-duty police officer in America and on 100 % of the time of their shift?"

Because what if they go to the bathroom?!?!  I mean when I use a urinal my dick is so huge that a camera pointing out of my chest can see it.


Cool, give the officer a "privacy" button that keeps the camera rolling, but requires an extra judicial review and approval before accessing any of the recordings marked "privacy".  That way nobody has to see Johnson's johnson normally, but if a "bad guy" comes in and attacks Johnson in the john, there's still a recording available to back up why Johnson beat up the guy who tried to assault Johnson in the john with Johnson's huge johnson.
 
2021-04-16 11:14:21 AM  

DarkSoulNoHope: MythDragon: Why are body cams so expensive?

The question should be, "Why aren't bodycams required to be on the person of every uniformed, on-duty police officer in America and on 100 % of the time of their shift?"


And footage stored to the public cloud.
 
2021-04-16 11:15:10 AM  
 
2021-04-16 11:15:46 AM  

El_Dan: I can think of a few reasons national media stopped talking about it. But local media still seems to be covering it, so don't roll out that jump to conclusions mat just yet.

https://www.knoxnews.com/story/news/cr​ime/2021/04/16/police-shooting-anthony​-j-thompson-jr-knoxville-latest-update​s/7227992002/


So:

[X] three of the four cops involved want the footage released.
[X] police chief wants the footage released.
[X] mayor wants the footage released.

PD is not releasing the footage.

The fark?
 
2021-04-16 11:19:51 AM  
Disarm the police.
 
2021-04-16 11:20:46 AM  

Nuuu: MythDragon: Why are body cams so expensive?

Straight answer: Because the cost isn't in the hardware.  It's the software and service.  Bodycams are not as simple as just passing out GoPros and telling cops to be responsible.  The software to make sure that bodycams are recording even if cops forget to turn them on, or turn them on late, is not simple.  You have chain of custody issues to deal with, so they need some kind of system to ensure that footage is authentic and hasn't been tampered with.  You've got to create and maintain a database to hold an exponentially growing volume of bodycam footage.  It's a lot.

Consider that for the iPhone in your pocket, 90% of the cost of that phone is software, not hardware.  And Apple gets to spread that cost across 1 billion users or more.  Bodycam companies have to spread development costs across maybe just tens of thousands of users.


My money (taxes) says that we can afford it when pigs have this shiat
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2021-04-16 11:25:46 AM  

Flab: El_Dan: I can think of a few reasons national media stopped talking about it. But local media still seems to be covering it, so don't roll out that jump to conclusions mat just yet.

https://www.knoxnews.com/story/news/cr​ime/2021/04/16/police-shooting-anthony​-j-thompson-jr-knoxville-latest-update​s/7227992002/

So:

[X] three of the four cops involved want the footage released.
[X] police chief wants the footage released.
[X] mayor wants the footage released.

PD is not releasing the footage.

The fark?


It'd start a dangerous precedent.
 
2021-04-16 11:25:53 AM  

Flab: PD is not releasing the footage.

The fark?


They don't want to set a precedent.
 
2021-04-16 11:28:04 AM  

mehhhhhh: gar1013: Students there have been getting shot quite frequently over the past few months:

https://www.knoxnews.com/story/news/20​21/03/11/music-outlet-knoxville-rapper​-jamarion-lil-dada-gillette/6943985002​/


https://www.knoxnews.com/story/news/20​21/02/19/coaches-and-friends-mourn-los​s-janaria-muhammad/4491749001/


https://www.knoxnews.com/story/news/cr​ime/2021/03/15/knoxville-police-make-a​rrest-stanley-freeman-jr-case/44954700​01/

https://www.knoxnews.com/story/news/cr​ime/2021/04/01/knoxville-police-say-th​ey-dont-have-info-share-teens-deaths/4​833256001/

So Subby, do you think police should just ignore a kid showing up to school with a gun?

Um. Yeh. If they brandish or show it off. BUT if not, they may just be trying to get home safely. And besides, there's no CCW rules here, so, Anthony was fully in the right. Hell, he could have shot the cop (instead of the cop shooting himself) and still been in the clear (if he felt threatened) thanks to the new law. Read the horseshiat bill that became law.


Other than the whole "Must be 21 years old" rule, not to mention no weapons allowed on school grounds.

But totally no rules, you're right <painful eye roll>
 
2021-04-16 11:28:28 AM  
The police Can release the footage, but they are not Required too.

Therefore, if the footage backs up their claim, it's released immediately. If it contradicts their claims or incriminates them, it will take forever to pry the footage from their guilty hands.
 
2021-04-16 11:30:09 AM  
It's almost like they like the civil unrest these incidents cause.

/fark12
 
2021-04-16 11:31:09 AM  

Flab: El_Dan: I can think of a few reasons national media stopped talking about it. But local media still seems to be covering it, so don't roll out that jump to conclusions mat just yet.

https://www.knoxnews.com/story/news/cr​ime/2021/04/16/police-shooting-anthony​-j-thompson-jr-knoxville-latest-update​s/7227992002/

So:

[X] three of the four cops involved want the footage released.
[X] police chief wants the footage released.
[X] mayor wants the footage released.

PD is not releasing the footage.

The fark?


They say they want the footage released. With their mouths. See it now?
 
2021-04-16 11:32:14 AM  

mehhhhhh: Nuuu: MythDragon: Why are body cams so expensive?

Straight answer: Because the cost isn't in the hardware.  It's the software and service.  Bodycams are not as simple as just passing out GoPros and telling cops to be responsible.  The software to make sure that bodycams are recording even if cops forget to turn them on, or turn them on late, is not simple.  You have chain of custody issues to deal with, so they need some kind of system to ensure that footage is authentic and hasn't been tampered with.  You've got to create and maintain a database to hold an exponentially growing volume of bodycam footage.  It's a lot.

Consider that for the iPhone in your pocket, 90% of the cost of that phone is software, not hardware.  And Apple gets to spread that cost across 1 billion users or more.  Bodycam companies have to spread development costs across maybe just tens of thousands of users.

My money (taxes) says that we can afford it when pigs have this shiat[Fark user image 194x142]


That perception might be part of the reason why cops have balked at bodycams.  People don't respect the value of software, and don't want to pay for it.  So when confronted with a budget line item that can either go for these little purpose-built GoPro dealies, or an M808B Main Battle Tank, the relative value of the 60 ton war machine seems much more like a no-brainer than it is in reality.
 
2021-04-16 11:35:03 AM  
If the cops wont arrest other cops, maybe its time for citizen to show up with guns and arrest the cops.
 
2021-04-16 11:38:19 AM  

GardenWeasel: gar1013: Students there have been getting shot quite frequently over the past few months:

https://www.knoxnews.com/story/news/20​21/03/11/music-outlet-knoxville-rapper​-jamarion-lil-dada-gillette/6943985002​/


https://www.knoxnews.com/story/news/20​21/02/19/coaches-and-friends-mourn-los​s-janaria-muhammad/4491749001/


https://www.knoxnews.com/story/news/cr​ime/2021/03/15/knoxville-police-make-a​rrest-stanley-freeman-jr-case/44954700​01/

https://www.knoxnews.com/story/news/cr​ime/2021/04/01/knoxville-police-say-th​ey-dont-have-info-share-teens-deaths/4​833256001/

So Subby, do you think police should just ignore a kid showing up to school with a gun?

Why shouldn't they? TN is anyone carry anywhere now, right? Or do only white people have the right?

[Fark user image 662x214]


You still can't carry guns into places like schools.  After all, they are gun free zones.
 
2021-04-16 11:39:15 AM  

Nuuu: People don't respect the value of software, and don't want to pay for it.  So when confronted with a budget line item


Which people decide what the police can buy? I don't, do you? Do you get to decide how much the Pentagon spends too? I don't.
 
2021-04-16 11:39:53 AM  
When is critical mass going to be reached? When do citizens call open season on cops? How many more pigs get to kill people at will before they start facing real violent opposition?
 
2021-04-16 11:40:25 AM  

gar1013: So Subby, do you think police should just ignore a kid showing up to school with a gun?


I mean, I think that "a kid showing up to school with a gun", absent a law to the contrary, is not a reason to shoot that student dead - and even if there IS a law, that law probably doesn't authorize summary execution merely for having a gun.

Further, even IF a cop shoots a student brandishing a gun and threatening to use it against others, I'd want that video to be publicly available (if not immediately, at trial). Even a 100%-justified, every person on scene thinks it was fine incident, I want that cop sitting in front of a review panel explaining every decision, moment-by-moment.

They have incredible power, and we need to guard its use judiciously. Cops aren't magically above lying and shenanigans and groupthink.

// and it's just it's semantics to argue that to a cop, "a student with a gun" equals "oh shiat oh shiat we're all gonna die *BLAMBLAMBLAMBLAMBLAM*"
// subby
 
2021-04-16 11:43:22 AM  

TheGreatGazoo: GardenWeasel: gar1013: Students there have been getting shot quite frequently over the past few months:

https://www.knoxnews.com/story/news/20​21/03/11/music-outlet-knoxville-rapper​-jamarion-lil-dada-gillette/6943985002​/


https://www.knoxnews.com/story/news/20​21/02/19/coaches-and-friends-mourn-los​s-janaria-muhammad/4491749001/


https://www.knoxnews.com/story/news/cr​ime/2021/03/15/knoxville-police-make-a​rrest-stanley-freeman-jr-case/44954700​01/

https://www.knoxnews.com/story/news/cr​ime/2021/04/01/knoxville-police-say-th​ey-dont-have-info-share-teens-deaths/4​833256001/

So Subby, do you think police should just ignore a kid showing up to school with a gun?

Why shouldn't they? TN is anyone carry anywhere now, right? Or do only white people have the right?

[Fark user image 662x214]

You still can't carry guns into places like schools.  After all, they are gun free zones.


Are they really? Post-Sandy Hook, the GOP push was to eliminate that.
 
2021-04-16 11:43:43 AM  

Flab: El_Dan: I can think of a few reasons national media stopped talking about it. But local media still seems to be covering it, so don't roll out that jump to conclusions mat just yet.

https://www.knoxnews.com/story/news/cr​ime/2021/04/16/police-shooting-anthony​-j-thompson-jr-knoxville-latest-update​s/7227992002/

So:

[X] three of the four cops involved want the footage released.
[X] police chief wants the footage released.
[X] mayor wants the footage released.

PD is not releasing the footage.

The fark?


Lawyers
 
M-G
2021-04-16 11:44:06 AM  
Perhaps Officer Fife shot himself, but can subby please point to any source that says the student was unarmed, or was that intentionally inserted for flame-fanning purposes?
 
2021-04-16 11:46:20 AM  

Gunner's Mate First Class Phillip Asshole: DarkSoulNoHope: MythDragon: Why are body cams so expensive?

The question should be, "Why aren't bodycams required to be on the person of every uniformed, on-duty police officer in America and on 100 % of the time of their shift?"

Because what if they go to the bathroom?!?!  I mean when I use a urinal my dick is so huge that a camera pointing out of my chest can see it.


Funny thing is, the altercation happened in a bathroom. So maybe that's why; the cameras were smart enough to realize they were in a bathroom and magically shut off!
 
2021-04-16 11:47:50 AM  
Knoxville Police Department shot and killed 17 Anthony Thompson Jr.

They buried the lede. How many of him were there to start with?
 
2021-04-16 11:49:45 AM  

M-G: Perhaps Officer Fife shot himself, but can subby please point to any source that says the student was unarmed, or was that intentionally inserted for flame-fanning purposes?


I was working while writing the headline, and confused a reply on the thread (which suggested, based on a supposed eyewitness, that the student was "unarmed") with actual details.

Management ragrets the error.
 
2021-04-16 11:51:22 AM  
Abe Vigoda's Ghost
MythDragon: Why are body cams so expensive?

They lead to wrongful death suits.



*snare drum*
Abe will be here all night folks!  Try the shrimp!
 
2021-04-16 11:51:25 AM  

mehhhhhh: gar1013: Students there have been getting shot quite frequently over the past few months:

https://www.knoxnews.com/story/news/20​21/03/11/music-outlet-knoxville-rapper​-jamarion-lil-dada-gillette/6943985002​/


https://www.knoxnews.com/story/news/20​21/02/19/coaches-and-friends-mourn-los​s-janaria-muhammad/4491749001/


https://www.knoxnews.com/story/news/cr​ime/2021/03/15/knoxville-police-make-a​rrest-stanley-freeman-jr-case/44954700​01/

https://www.knoxnews.com/story/news/cr​ime/2021/04/01/knoxville-police-say-th​ey-dont-have-info-share-teens-deaths/4​833256001/

So Subby, do you think police should just ignore a kid showing up to school with a gun?

Um. Yeh. If they brandish or show it off. BUT if not, they may just be trying to get home safely. And besides, there's no CCW rules here, so, Anthony was fully in the right. Hell, he could have shot the cop (instead of the cop shooting himself) and still been in the clear (if he felt threatened) thanks to the new law. Read the horseshiat bill that became law.


What? No. TN laws might be wacky, but it's still illegal for a minor to have a handgun, and still illegal to have a gun on school property if it's not directly related to school security.

I'm not saying this was handled well (they have a whole goddamned deescalation team they declined to use, presumably because they're stupid farking cowboys), but you're just spewing as much bullshiat as the dude you're responding to at this point.
 
2021-04-16 11:51:45 AM  

Resident Muslim: MythDragon: Why are body cams so expensive?

The joke is that ANY of those past settlements would have covered bodycams for the whole US, which -hopefully- would have had at least half of them behave better.


Elon or Bezos could buy a body cam for every cop in North America. They should, it would buy them the kind of good will that would perm8t them to go full "Bond Villain" while the world cheered them on
 
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