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(NPR)   Dire concern is growing over whether automakers will be able to keep up with the demand for batteries as more and more cars become electric. Oh well. We tried. Guess we just gotta keep digging for oil   (npr.org) divider line
    More: Facepalm, Automotive industry, Lithium, Rechargeable battery, Battery, Lithium battery, Electric car, Volkswagen Group, Battery charger  
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2021-04-16 11:13:54 AM  
I remember way back at the beginning of car development when the biggest worry was steam shortages.
 
2021-04-16 4:24:09 PM  
How the living Fark did subby get the headline from that article? All it says is that demand for batteries will increase, and battery manufacturers are already having trouble keeping up with demand.

But spin it as folding with four Aces, subby. That's how you get clicks.
 
2021-04-16 5:22:28 PM  
Why don't we just have cars be Manorial cars?
 
2021-04-16 5:22:55 PM  
Gas shortages didn't shift us into electric vehicles. Why should battery shortages shift us back?
 
2021-04-16 5:23:59 PM  
Automakers are also having trouble getting enough semiconductors to make onboard computers.  The spike in overall demands during the pandemic is a big part of the shortage, and then there's the assholes buying up everything to mine crypto-commodities.
 
2021-04-16 5:25:02 PM  

edmo: I remember way back at the beginning of car development when the biggest worry was steam shortages.


Don't get me started on going solar.  We can't afford to suck all the energy out of the sun.
 
2021-04-16 5:25:02 PM  
First tesla's had a lotus body. Now they do the cars themselves and the build quality is right up there with eastern european cars. I trust their battery tech, but a lot of the car isn't directly related to the power train.
Let's see what the bmw 5i and their 533 hp equivalent gives.
 
2021-04-16 5:28:32 PM  

yuthinasia: First tesla's had a lotus body. Now they do the cars themselves and the build quality is right up there with eastern european cars. I trust their battery tech, but a lot of the car isn't directly related to the power train.
Let's see what the bmw 5i and their 533 hp equivalent gives.


It'll likely look something like this from the front, tho.

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2021-04-16 5:31:30 PM  

a particular individual: How the living Fark did subby get the headline from that article? All it says is that demand for batteries will increase, and battery manufacturers are already having trouble keeping up with demand.

But spin it as folding with four Aces, subby. That's how you get clicks.


"welcome to Fark"
 
2021-04-16 5:34:33 PM  
I saw a story on the news how one of Teslas executives has a startup recycling batteries to get the material out and make into new batteries.
 
2021-04-16 5:36:59 PM  

UNC_Samurai: Automakers are also having trouble getting enough semiconductors to make onboard computers.  The spike in overall demands during the pandemic is a big part of the shortage, and then there's the assholes buying up everything to mine crypto-commodities.


Yeah, this pandemic will be a great way for supply chain specialists to discover weaknesses in the system. A year later, we're still in a tailspin, but it's all cascading effects from the last year...

Take a car, for instance:
The factory is affected from the lockdown, whether it's closed or short staffed.
Once the cars are made, they have to be shipped to the dealership, another link in the supply chain that was affected by the pandemic.
Then you have the companies that make the parts for the cars.
The companies that make and service the equipment in these factories.
Then there are the companies that make replacement parts for the tools at the factories.
And then there are the companies that process the raw materials for the car parts.
You also have service and maintenance on the trucks that ship all of these components, also affected by the pandemic.

I'm missing a ton of steps that were affected and have helped contribute to the shortages, but you get my point...
 
2021-04-16 5:37:30 PM  

edmo: I remember way back at the beginning of car development when the biggest worry was steam shortages.


Holy fark gramps, how old are you?
 
2021-04-16 5:38:30 PM  

groppet: I saw a story on the news how one of Teslas executives has a startup recycling batteries to get the material out and make into new batteries.


Was it this one? Going from E-bike batteries to car batteries isn't a stretch once you have a system set up.

Specialized partners with a Tesla co-founder to recycle e-bike batteries | Engadget
 
2021-04-16 5:40:23 PM  

Mad_Radhu: yuthinasia: First tesla's had a lotus body. Now they do the cars themselves and the build quality is right up there with eastern european cars. I trust their battery tech, but a lot of the car isn't directly related to the power train.
Let's see what the bmw 5i and their 533 hp equivalent gives.

It'll likely look something like this from the front, tho.

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Rufus?
 
2021-04-16 5:41:08 PM  

a particular individual: How the living Fark did subby get the headline from that article? All it says is that demand for batteries will increase, and battery manufacturers are already having trouble keeping up with demand.

But spin it as folding with four Aces, subby. That's how you get clicks.


We have a hard time sourcing batteries for solar energy storage systems.
 
2021-04-16 5:51:55 PM  

ShowStop: edmo: I remember way back at the beginning of car development when the biggest worry was steam shortages.

Holy fark gramps, how old are you?


We didn't have that problem in Amish country where the local Amish teens would drive around in their buggies offering a barrel full of steam for 2 pence and a stick of tabaca
 
2021-04-16 5:56:22 PM  

a particular individual: How the living Fark did subby get the headline from that article? All it says is that demand for batteries will increase, and battery manufacturers are already having trouble keeping up with demand.

But spin it as folding with four Aces, subby. That's how you get clicks.


It's called sarcasm, or some such thing.  All the kids are doing it these days.
 
2021-04-16 5:57:46 PM  
Dire Concern is the name of my Linkin Park cover band.
 
2021-04-16 6:04:40 PM  
"That uncertainty makes it harder for participants in the battery supply chain to determine how aggressively they should scale up. Betting wrong can be extremely expensive.  In fact, a few years ago, lithium miners anticipated huge growth in electric-vehicle battery demand and expanded quickly - but the expected boom didn't come. Lithium prices collapsed."

In my head I replaced this entire paragraph with the word "capitalism" and lost not one bit of information.

It's neither going to come as quickly as some want, nor as quickly as some fear.
 
2021-04-16 6:06:30 PM  
This is the problem for alternate energy sources.  Not enough batteries  to store the power.
 
2021-04-16 6:06:56 PM  

groppet: I saw a story on the news how one of Teslas executives has a startup recycling batteries to get the material out and make into new batteries.


Recycling is going to be key for EV success and not just for automotive cells.  How many consumer Li-ion batteries get properly recycled?  I bet there's enough thrown away every day right now to be notable in terms of EV supply.
 
2021-04-16 6:08:36 PM  

i_dig_chicks: This is the problem for alternate energy sources.  Not enough batteries  to store the power.


I know.  We could convert some of the energy into plant-based chemical storage.  Later we could cook some of it when we need transportation energy - then eat it and walk to work!
 
2021-04-16 6:13:45 PM  

yuthinasia: First tesla's had a lotus body. Now they do the cars themselves and the build quality is right up there with eastern european cars. I trust their battery tech, but a lot of the car isn't directly related to the power train.
Let's see what the bmw 5i and their 533 hp equivalent gives.


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2021-04-16 6:24:57 PM  
Automakers are switching to electric vehicles with the kind of fervor that makes me think they know we're running out of oil.
 
2021-04-16 6:27:46 PM  
If it were possible to mine farkers that didn't get a joke or sarcasm for energy all of our problems would be solved, possibly from this thread alone.
 
2021-04-16 6:35:03 PM  
I'm hoping in-road inductive charging will be developed.  You could get by with smaller batteries and not all of the roads would have to have the charging installed.  Range wouldn't be a problem.  It would be nice to get on an interstate and never have to stop.  You might want to bring a pee bottle.
 
2021-04-16 6:40:23 PM  
 
2021-04-16 6:40:42 PM  

Albert911emt: a particular individual: How the living Fark did subby get the headline from that article? All it says is that demand for batteries will increase, and battery manufacturers are already having trouble keeping up with demand.

But spin it as folding with four Aces, subby. That's how you get clicks.

It's called sarcasm, or some such thing.  All the kids are doing it these days.


Nothing in the headline suggests sarcasm. The Facepalm tag makes it even less "evident."
 
2021-04-16 6:48:47 PM  
Problem solved

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2021-04-16 6:52:28 PM  

a particular individual: Albert911emt: a particular individual: How the living Fark did subby get the headline from that article? All it says is that demand for batteries will increase, and battery manufacturers are already having trouble keeping up with demand.

But spin it as folding with four Aces, subby. That's how you get clicks.

It's called sarcasm, or some such thing.  All the kids are doing it these days.

Nothing in the headline suggests sarcasm. The Facepalm tag makes it even less "evident."


It's not sarcasm. Subby wanted everyone to pile on because automakers="bad" and electric="good", and saying anything that contradicts that at all means you're bad as well. Subby was hoping for a feeding frenzy of people attacking the automakers, regardless of whether it was justified or not. Instead, we got a lot of sane people, and like 5 who decided to go all on in with this "sarcasm" bullshiat.
 
2021-04-16 7:09:51 PM  

ShowStop: edmo: I remember way back at the beginning of car development when the biggest worry was steam shortages.

Holy fark gramps, how old are you?


edmo is in it's fifth body iirc.
 
2021-04-16 7:12:30 PM  

Mikey1969: a particular individual: Albert911emt: a particular individual: How the living Fark did subby get the headline from that article? All it says is that demand for batteries will increase, and battery manufacturers are already having trouble keeping up with demand.

But spin it as folding with four Aces, subby. That's how you get clicks.

It's called sarcasm, or some such thing.  All the kids are doing it these days.

Nothing in the headline suggests sarcasm. The Facepalm tag makes it even less "evident."

It's not sarcasm. Subby wanted everyone to pile on because automakers="bad" and electric="good", and saying anything that contradicts that at all means you're bad as well. Subby was hoping for a feeding frenzy of people attacking the automakers, regardless of whether it was justified or not. Instead, we got a lot of sane people, and like 5 who decided to go all on in with this "sarcasm" bullshiat.


Subby wanted to start somethin'
 
2021-04-16 7:17:34 PM  

FatinAugust: I'm hoping in-road inductive charging will be developed.  You could get by with smaller batteries and not all of the roads would have to have the charging installed.  Range wouldn't be a problem.  It would be nice to get on an interstate and never have to stop.  You might want to bring a pee bottle.


Wouldn't work. The amount of energy required to push the vehicle through the fields of force is greater than the energy you'd generate from it. Otherwise, you'd have a perpetual motion machine.
 
2021-04-16 7:18:54 PM  

Albert911emt: a particular individual: How the living Fark did subby get the headline from that article? All it says is that demand for batteries will increase, and battery manufacturers are already having trouble keeping up with demand.

But spin it as folding with four Aces, subby. That's how you get clicks.

It's called sarcasm, or some such thing.  All the kids are doing it these days.


The headline was bait and we all know it.
 
2021-04-16 7:36:05 PM  
You can dig for oil if you want to, Subbidiot. Anybody else who wants oil will be drilling for it.
 
2021-04-16 7:48:51 PM  

Benjimin_Dover: FatinAugust: I'm hoping in-road inductive charging will be developed.  You could get by with smaller batteries and not all of the roads would have to have the charging installed.  Range wouldn't be a problem.  It would be nice to get on an interstate and never have to stop.  You might want to bring a pee bottle.

Wouldn't work. The amount of energy required to push the vehicle through the fields of force is greater than the energy you'd generate from it. Otherwise, you'd have a perpetual motion machine.



It works, and there's no "perpetual motion / conservation of energy" problem, because you're pumping tons of current through the buried cables and not just relying on relative motion between the car and a magnetic field.
 
2021-04-16 7:58:36 PM  
But, but, but.... Republicans assure me that the Free Market magically fills all needs at the lowest possible price.
 
2021-04-16 8:01:48 PM  
If you have not yet started investing in lithium you are too late.
 
2021-04-16 8:03:54 PM  
It's a big problem when the large oil exploration outfits leave to mine lithium instead of oil.  That would be Chile, China, Argentina, Zimbabwe, and Portugal.

Some of those countries may need the US to keep them free to become a colony.
 
2021-04-16 8:36:34 PM  
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Why we should go Nuclear.
 
2021-04-16 9:00:37 PM  

Mock26: If you have not yet started investing in lithium you are too late.


Investing? I've been hoarding

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2021-04-16 9:06:42 PM  

ScottRiqui: Benjimin_Dover: FatinAugust: I'm hoping in-road inductive charging will be developed.  You could get by with smaller batteries and not all of the roads would have to have the charging installed.  Range wouldn't be a problem.  It would be nice to get on an interstate and never have to stop.  You might want to bring a pee bottle.

Wouldn't work. The amount of energy required to push the vehicle through the fields of force is greater than the energy you'd generate from it. Otherwise, you'd have a perpetual motion machine.


It works, and there's no "perpetual motion / conservation of energy" problem, because you're pumping tons of current through the buried cables and not just relying on relative motion between the car and a magnetic field.


Ahh, you are adding energy from a grid. How do they figure out how much energy somebody used to give them a bill?
 
2021-04-16 9:16:45 PM  

Benjimin_Dover: ScottRiqui: Benjimin_Dover: FatinAugust: I'm hoping in-road inductive charging will be developed.  You could get by with smaller batteries and not all of the roads would have to have the charging installed.  Range wouldn't be a problem.  It would be nice to get on an interstate and never have to stop.  You might want to bring a pee bottle.

Wouldn't work. The amount of energy required to push the vehicle through the fields of force is greater than the energy you'd generate from it. Otherwise, you'd have a perpetual motion machine.


It works, and there's no "perpetual motion / conservation of energy" problem, because you're pumping tons of current through the buried cables and not just relying on relative motion between the car and a magnetic field.

Ahh, you are adding energy from a grid. How do they figure out how much energy somebody used to give them a bill?


Similar tech to data over powerline, but it doesn't need to be broadband.  That part is technically feasible.
 
2021-04-16 9:47:34 PM  

SansNeural: groppet: I saw a story on the news how one of Teslas executives has a startup recycling batteries to get the material out and make into new batteries.

Recycling is going to be key for EV success and not just for automotive cells.  How many consumer Li-ion batteries get properly recycled?  I bet there's enough thrown away every day right now to be notable in terms of EV supply.


With the right tax incentives and environmental rules, landfill mining could be a huge boon to American industry.

I'd put a requirement of so many tons of useable material re-mined has to complimented with so many gallons of water pumped out and treated. Hell, just getting fresh water out of all the plastic bottles already in the landfill would be a huge gain.
 
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