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2021-04-16 9:22:37 AM  
Subby is a twit
 
2021-04-16 9:28:37 AM  
Not every movie can be all about people discussing their feelings while eating crickets naked in a European cafe, or whatever it is that you watch, subby.
 
2021-04-16 9:34:44 AM  
Someone go kick subby in the crotch.
 
2021-04-16 9:39:10 AM  
Is there some better example of the "space hunter" genre? I don't think so.
 
2021-04-16 9:40:29 AM  
I can't tell, what's the Fark approved reaction to Predator?

So we love it or hate it?
 
2021-04-16 9:44:03 AM  

Capo Del Bandito: I can't tell, what's the Fark approved reaction to Predator?

So we love it or hate it?


Yes.
 
2021-04-16 9:44:12 AM  
Is the movie 80s cheesy in parts? Yes.
Is it still a fun movie? Yes.

/subby sucks
 
2021-04-16 9:45:09 AM  

Capo Del Bandito: I can't tell, what's the Fark approved reaction to Predator?

So we love it or hate it?


Hate it.
There aren't any gay cowboys eating pudding, and absolutely no Frenchmen smoking and whining about their ennui and existential angst.
 
2021-04-16 9:46:24 AM  
Unpopular opinion: Removing the shot of the Predator's spaceship in the opening scene would have enhanced the reveal of the Predator being an alien, IMHO.

Discuss.
 
2021-04-16 9:47:58 AM  

Capo Del Bandito: I can't tell, what's the Fark approved reaction to Predator?

So we love it or hate it?



I dunno, but I have a general dislike for people who seem to think that significant swaths of netizens have monolithic opinions about things.


/farkers are apparently all the same
//redditors are apparently all the same, too
///but obviously different than farkers, because reasons.
 
2021-04-16 9:49:23 AM  

BafflerMeal: Someone go kick subby in the crotch.


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2021-04-16 9:49:34 AM  

Capo Del Bandito: I can't tell, what's the Fark approved reaction to Predator?

So we love it or hate it?


I have to wait to hear what the hive mind says before I can give you my opinion on this movie...
 
2021-04-16 9:52:48 AM  
I thought this was about the new predator with olivia Munn because I still haven't seen it.

It's been on my list but never pulled the trigger and it dropped off HBOmax.

Maybe try and find it this weekend and give it a go.
 
2021-04-16 9:59:16 AM  

ZMugg: Removing the shot of the Predator's spaceship in the opening scene of Dark City or the Thing would have enhanced the movie overall of the Predator being an alien


Welcome to the world of producers screwing up the final edit

Also:

strangeguitar: Is the movie 80s cheesy in parts? Yes.
Is it still a fun movie? Yes.


Predator - re:View
Youtube ruMLUFmSO4k
 
2021-04-16 10:04:09 AM  

Capo Del Bandito: I can't tell, what's the Fark approved reaction to Predator?

So we love it or hate it?


How about you make up your own mind and not worry about other people? This isn't grade school.
 
2021-04-16 10:11:55 AM  

ZMugg: Unpopular opinion: Removing the shot of the Predator's spaceship in the opening scene would have enhanced the reveal of the Predator being an alien, IMHO.

Discuss.


I arrived late to a summer matinee and never saw that. My movie started with the helicopter ride. It is better.
 
2021-04-16 10:20:05 AM  

strangeguitar: Is the movie 80s cheesy in parts? Yes.
Is it still a fun movie? Yes.

/subby sucks


Yeah, but notice how you said "THE movie", like there was only one? That is because we all know Predator 2 is when it "jumped the shark".
 
2021-04-16 10:24:38 AM  

johnphantom: strangeguitar: Is the movie 80s cheesy in parts? Yes.
Is it still a fun movie? Yes.

/subby sucks

Yeah, but notice how you said "THE movie", like there was only one? That is because we all know Predator 2 is when it "jumped the shark".


Predator 2 had Gary Busey in it, that shark never had a chance.
 
2021-04-16 10:27:23 AM  
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2021-04-16 10:40:47 AM  
I watched Predator for the 80th time last night. Damn you and your trolling, Subby
 
2021-04-16 10:48:32 AM  

BafflerMeal: ZMugg: Unpopular opinion: Removing the shot of the Predator's spaceship in the opening scene would have enhanced the reveal of the Predator being an alien, IMHO.

Discuss.

I arrived late to a summer matinee and never saw that. My movie started with the helicopter ride. It is better.


I agree. I think that most movies are better when there is some mystery. Any movie that feels it needs to explain every single point to its audience is showing that the director doesn't have faith in the intelligence of his own audience.
 
2021-04-16 11:00:38 AM  
I'll hold him down, you kick him in the dick.
 
2021-04-16 11:07:32 AM  

ZMugg: Unpopular opinion: Removing the shot of the Predator's spaceship in the opening scene would have enhanced the reveal of the Predator being an alien, IMHO.

Discuss.


I think that is a pretty popular opinion. The first time I heard it it made perfect sense to me.
 
2021-04-16 11:09:07 AM  

rummonkey: BafflerMeal: ZMugg: Unpopular opinion: Removing the shot of the Predator's spaceship in the opening scene would have enhanced the reveal of the Predator being an alien, IMHO.

Discuss.

I arrived late to a summer matinee and never saw that. My movie started with the helicopter ride. It is better.

I agree. I think that most movies are better when there is some mystery. Any movie that feels it needs to explain every single point to its audience is showing that the director doesn't have faith in the intelligence of his own audience.


Producers or studio executives. Granted, sometimes the directors suck too, but just play the odds and blame the suits.
 
2021-04-16 11:13:23 AM  

ZMugg: Unpopular opinion: Removing the shot of the Predator's spaceship in the opening scene would have enhanced the reveal of the Predator being an alien, IMHO.

Discuss.


I'm skeptical that it's an unpopular opinion. It would work rather well methinks.
 
2021-04-16 11:15:42 AM  

Trocadero: johnphantom: strangeguitar: Is the movie 80s cheesy in parts? Yes.
Is it still a fun movie? Yes.

/subby sucks

Yeah, but notice how you said "THE movie", like there was only one? That is because we all know Predator 2 is when it "jumped the shark".

Predator 2 had Gary Busey in it, that shark never had a chance.


I disagree.  I think Predator 2 is absolutely a decent film, it only suffers in comparison to the original, and *MOSTLY* because it's dated.

One of the things about the original Predator is that it doesn't really look very dated.  Almost the entire film takes place in the jungle, the weapons and equipment isn't outrageously outdated even nearly 35 years later*, so you can watch it today.

Predator 2 is very much a film of its time.  So while it's a decent film that establishes more about the Predators, who they are, and what they do, when you watch it today it's like watching an episode of The A-Team or the Dukes of Hazzard.   It just screams "This was decades ago!", unlike the original film.

This is why I think it was a brilliant move to place Predators back in the jungle, in this case on an alien planet used as a hunting preserve.   And unlike the original film, you don't know that until the big reveal.  For the first part of the film, you just assume they're on Earth.

Also, Predator 2 is where Bill Paxton completes his trifecta of being killed by a Terminator (Terminator, 1984), a Xenomorph (Aliens, 1986), and finally by a Predator (Predator 2, 1990).


*Predator was made in 1987, which was 34 years ago.  But still looks fairly modern.  Now imagine if, in 1987, you were watching the film which was made 34 years before that, in 1953.  The guns would be M-1 Garands or M-1 Carbines, probably a Model 1919 or maybe MG-42 machines guns, and probably STEN or M-3A1 Grease Guns for submachine guns.  The radio would be an HF Morse code only set.  The clothes and load bearing equipment would be WWII or Korean War issue.
 
2021-04-16 11:20:31 AM  
Oh, and since we're on the subject, Predators without their masks would be legally blind.   Like, 20/4000 vision.

I've done the math:

https://www.fark.com/comments/9876503​/​113199800#c113199800

Interesting bit of trivia, while we are on the subject of apertures and resolution:  Thermal imaging has much crappier resolution for a given aperture size compared to visible light, because the wavelength is so much longer than visible light.

Knowing this, we can calculate that Predators are essentially blind as a bat without their helmets.
Typical "aperture" size for a human is about 5mm. or .005 meters.  Typical size for a human we'll take as 1.75 meters for scaling purposes, and for a Predator at 2.3 meters, so we'll scale up the Predator pupil to be (.005 * (2.3/1.75)) = 0.007.

So, at 100 meters, a human can resolve something that is 100 * (.000000562/.005) = 0.011 meters,  or about 1.1 centimeters in size.

We know that Predators see in the far-infrared portion of the spectrum, and we'll assume they start at the shortest wavelength to give them the benefit of the doubt, so assume a wavelength of 15 µm, or about 0.000015 meters.


So at 100 meters, without the helmet, a Predator could resolve something that is 100 * (0.000015/0.007) = 0.214 meters, or about 21.4 centimeters in size.  A human at 100 meters would look like a blob about 8 pixels high and about 2 pixels wide.

Or, to put it another way, they would have just based on the physics of aperture size vs. wavelength a visual acuity roughly equivalent to 20/4000, way into "legallly blind" territory.

This is why, when filming the vision effects for the original Predator film, they had to use a beam splitter to film with a thermal imaging camera and a normal film camera at the same time, because it was necessary to optically combine the two to give the appearance of "normal" resolution to the thermal image.

It's also why thermal imaging cameras have huge apertures compared to normal cameras.



I bolded the important part for the math-averse and the TL;DR crowd.
 
2021-04-16 11:29:11 AM  
Popcorn movies are fun too.  Looking forward to this one next week.

Army of the Dead | Official Trailer | Netflix
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2021-04-16 11:31:03 AM  
Submitter better get to the choppa before we all set off our self destruct buttons.
 
2021-04-16 11:39:58 AM  
And speaking of Predator 2, I want them to make this film:

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We know from Predator 2's ending, and from Predators (when Hanzo finds the old Samurai sword), and from the AvP film, that they've been coming to this planet for a long time.

Making a historical film, maybe set in the Caribbean during the Golden Age of Piracy (1650's to the 1730's) would allow you to bring it back into where the Predator films shine, in the jungle, and you could have them being thought of as jumbees, loup garou, duppy, or whatever by the local population.  You've got military troops, pirates, and just armed locals for them to hunt.
 
2021-04-16 12:11:20 PM  

BullBearMS: Popcorn movies are fun too.  Looking forward to this one next week.

[Youtube-video https://www.youtube.com/embed/tI1JGPhY​BS8]


The movie may suck but that trailer is farking awesome.
 
2021-04-16 12:11:45 PM  

JolobinSmokin: I thought this was about the new predator with olivia Munn because I still haven't seen it.

It's been on my list but never pulled the trigger and it dropped off HBOmax.

Maybe try and find it this weekend and give it a go.


I thought The Predator was by far the worse movie to ever feature a Predator. So, below both Alien versus Predator movies. Which is a shame because I felt like they did a surprisingly good job in Predators, when a lot of the recent Alien and Predator movies have been far less than good.
 
2021-04-16 12:13:44 PM  

Trocadero: johnphantom: strangeguitar: Is the movie 80s cheesy in parts? Yes.
Is it still a fun movie? Yes.

/subby sucks

Yeah, but notice how you said "THE movie", like there was only one? That is because we all know Predator 2 is when it "jumped the shark".

Predator 2 had Gary Busey in it, that shark never had a chance.


Predator 2 was better than Predator. I thought this had already been argued to death and everyone had agreed on it by now.
 
2021-04-16 12:15:24 PM  

dittybopper: And speaking of Predator 2, I want them to make this film:

We know from Predator 2's ending, and from Predators (when Hanzo finds the old Samurai sword), and from the AvP film, that they've been coming to this planet for a long time.


What i'd have this film lay out, is an opening montage of them visiting earth over time and slowly seeding more advanced weapons tech with us, so we then realize that gun in that moment was not a natural progressions of us, but came from the interference of the aliens that wanted to shape us into a a better sport fighting species they can visit on safari hunt vacation.
 
2021-04-16 12:18:19 PM  

Wobambo: JolobinSmokin: I thought this was about the new predator with olivia Munn because I still haven't seen it.

It's been on my list but never pulled the trigger and it dropped off HBOmax.

Maybe try and find it this weekend and give it a go.

I thought The Predator was by far the worse movie to ever feature a Predator. So, below both Alien versus Predator movies. Which is a shame because I felt like they did a surprisingly good job in Predators, when a lot of the recent Alien and Predator movies have been far less than good.


One of the keys to p successful Blockbuster movie especially with sci-fi and action movies is to be able to boil the plot down to a very simple premise. John Wick for example is a movie about revenge. The Wrath of Khan can easily be boiled down to fear of growing old. Die Hard is a heist movie with a fly in the ointment.

If your movie can be boiled down to a relatively straightforward premise like this then it is on a more solid footing and the storytelling will flow much more easily.

The recent predator and Alien versus Predator movies were trying too hard to shoehorn in too many smaller plot points in order to create some sort of franchise. It detracted from the movie overall to the point where the movie just wasn't enjoyable in the long run. It's a major problem that a lot of recent blockbuster movies have in that they try to explain too much or they try to introduce too many plot lines in order to leave openings for future franchise movies.

Make a movie, keep the basic premise simple, direct it well and your chances of having a successful movie will increase exponentially.
 
2021-04-16 12:24:43 PM  

Trocadero: johnphantom: strangeguitar: Is the movie 80s cheesy in parts? Yes.
Is it still a fun movie? Yes.

/subby sucks

Yeah, but notice how you said "THE movie", like there was only one? That is because we all know Predator 2 is when it "jumped the shark".

Predator 2 had Gary Busey in it, that shark never had a chance.


I like Predator 2. Bill Paxton is in it, and Busey chews the scenery like crazy. And Danny Glover is just awesome.
 
2021-04-16 12:26:29 PM  

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2021-04-16 12:31:48 PM  
They may have written a story, but after Shane Black's onset extensive re-writes it's his script

Note the time that he ( Shane Black) arrived onset and the producers deciding JVD in a suit wasn't going to work. ( No offense to JVD but yeah, that call was the right one, that suit was awful )
 
2021-04-16 1:19:42 PM  

Contrabulous Flabtraption: BullBearMS: Popcorn movies are fun too.  Looking forward to this one next week.

[Youtube-video https://www.youtube.com/embed/tI1JGPhY​BS8]

The movie may suck but that trailer is farking awesome.


That one looks like dumb fun and this one was definitely dumb fun.


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Every movie doesn't have to have socially redeeming values.
 
2021-04-16 1:20:58 PM  

dittybopper: Also, Predator 2 is where Bill Paxton completes his trifecta of being killed by a Terminator (Terminator, 1984), a Xenomorph (Aliens, 1986), and finally by a Predator (Predator 2, 1990).


The only other actor to do that is Lance Henrikson, killed by a Terminator in Terminator, killed by a Xenomorph in Aliens, and killed by a Predator in Alien vs. Predator (2004).

Some have come close.  For example, Jenette Goldstein only needs to be killed by a Predator and she'll fit the bill.  (killed by a Xenomorph in Aliens, Terminator in Terminator 2),

But I'm still waiting for the most awesome crossover, Aliens vs. Predator vs. Graboids
 
2021-04-16 1:29:10 PM  

BullBearMS: Contrabulous Flabtraption: BullBearMS: Popcorn movies are fun too.  Looking forward to this one next week.

[Youtube-video https://www.youtube.com/embed/tI1JGPhY​BS8]

The movie may suck but that trailer is farking awesome.

That one looks like dumb fun and this one was definitely dumb fun.


[Youtube-video https://www.youtube.com/embed/_y9bj5jq​V7I]

Every movie doesn't have to have socially redeeming values.


Yeah, but Mel Gibson? That's a little much.
 
2021-04-16 1:53:22 PM  

rummonkey: The recent predator and Alien versus Predator movies were trying too hard to shoehorn in too many smaller plot points in order to create some sort of franchise.


Well, I'm not a fan of AvP, but I did like AvP:Requiem.

Especially the ending.
 
2021-04-16 2:13:19 PM  

Trocadero: BullBearMS: Contrabulous Flabtraption: BullBearMS: Popcorn movies are fun too.  Looking forward to this one next week.

[Youtube-video https://www.youtube.com/embed/tI1JGPhY​BS8]

The movie may suck but that trailer is farking awesome.

That one looks like dumb fun and this one was definitely dumb fun.


[Youtube-video https://www.youtube.com/embed/_y9bj5jq​V7I]

Every movie doesn't have to have socially redeeming values.

Yeah, but Mel Gibson? That's a little much.


He plays a conservative military asshole who gets his ass handed to him.

He's perfect for the role.
 
2021-04-16 2:24:54 PM  

ZMugg: Unpopular opinion: Removing the shot of the Predator's spaceship in the opening scene would have enhanced the reveal of the Predator being an alien, IMHO.

Discuss.


Or would it have gone the other way? Would it have set the audience up to believe the Predator was some weird cryptozooid type creature (but definitely from Earth), and then leave the audience pissed that he turned out to be an alien?
 
2021-04-16 2:32:19 PM  

clkeagle: ZMugg: Unpopular opinion: Removing the shot of the Predator's spaceship in the opening scene would have enhanced the reveal of the Predator being an alien, IMHO.

Discuss.

Or would it have gone the other way? Would it have set the audience up to believe the Predator was some weird cryptozooid type creature (but definitely from Earth), and then leave the audience pissed that he turned out to be an alien?


I would say, "no".

What say you, Fark?
 
2021-04-16 2:33:17 PM  
C'mon... do it......  DOOOOO EEETTTTTTTT!!!!!!
 
2021-04-16 2:44:14 PM  

ZMugg: clkeagle: ZMugg: Unpopular opinion: Removing the shot of the Predator's spaceship in the opening scene would have enhanced the reveal of the Predator being an alien, IMHO.

Discuss.

Or would it have gone the other way? Would it have set the audience up to believe the Predator was some weird cryptozooid type creature (but definitely from Earth), and then leave the audience pissed that he turned out to be an alien?

I would say, "no".

What say you, Fark?


I like the spaceship shot, it casts a shadow over everything we see because we know there's something out there they can't be ready for, and that all their feelings of something being wrong is spot on.  It's kind of like how re-watching it doesn't detract from what we're seeing.
 
2021-04-16 2:49:54 PM  

clkeagle: ZMugg: Unpopular opinion: Removing the shot of the Predator's spaceship in the opening scene would have enhanced the reveal of the Predator being an alien, IMHO.

Discuss.

Or would it have gone the other way? Would it have set the audience up to believe the Predator was some weird cryptozooid type creature (but definitely from Earth), and then leave the audience pissed that he turned out to be an alien?


Well, no, because we have no idea what's going on (if we didn't see that beginning with the alien spaceship).

So the stuff we did see, right up until the predator actually attacks Dutch's group, could all be explained by stuff done by humans.   The helicopter, the Special Forces guys skinned up in the trees, all that *COULD* have been done by the rebels*.

It wasn't until after the attack on the rebel camp that we would have the first inkling that there is something else going on in Guatemala.


*And in fact the helicopter almost certainly was.  Predator wouldn't need to strip it of equipment, and would have taken the pilot as a trophy.
 
2021-04-16 2:49:57 PM  

Wobambo: I thought The Predator was by far the worse movie to ever feature a Predator. So, below both Alien versus Predator movies. Which is a shame because I felt like they did a surprisingly good job in Predators, when a lot of the recent Alien and Predator movies have been far less than good.


I assumed that was what the headline was referring to because the first two Predator movies are fun action movie classics, as far as I'm concerned.

I know it's not a popular opinion but I liked the AvP movies: they deliver on what the title promises, the first one tied in both franchises nicely, and we got to see a Xenomorph/Predator hybrid in the second. Granted, I haven't read any of the AvP comics, just seen the movies.

I also liked Predators for turning the concept upside-down; where they used a planet as a preserve to hunt the gnarliest prey they could stock it with, as opposed to traveling the intergalactic outback to fight them on their own turf.

The Predator was too many ideas crammed into a movie (which Shane Black can be guilty of) that seemed like it was supposed to start a new part of the franchise.
 
2021-04-16 2:53:35 PM  

Darth_Saltine: I know it's not a popular opinion but I liked the AvP movies: they deliver on what the title promises, the first one tied in both franchises nicely, and we got to see a Xenomorph/Predator hybrid in the second. Granted, I haven't read any of the AvP comics, just seen the movies.


I don't *MIND* the first AvP film, but Requiem is so much better.


You know what would have been really cool, though?  To set one of the AvP films in Perfection, Nevada, so they can break in to the wrong God-damned rec-room.
 
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