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(Kotaku)   So, how many people really are watching Twitch gamers? Turns out it's a lot less than you might have thought   (kotaku.com) divider line
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2021-04-16 6:38:58 AM  
there's a population less than nobody?
 
2021-04-16 6:59:39 AM  
Fewer.
 
2021-04-16 9:29:16 AM  
What? You mean not that many people want to watch rank amateurs play video games? The hell you say!
 
2021-04-16 11:06:28 AM  
Let's cut the bullshiat and just stream coders hammering away at programming languages.
 
2021-04-16 11:15:20 AM  

Marcos P: Let's cut the bullshiat and just stream coders hammering away at programming languages.


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I'm in.
 
2021-04-16 11:17:39 AM  
Who is making the bots, and why?

Qui bono?

Yes I'm really asking.  Where's the motive?
 
2021-04-16 11:25:09 AM  
I don't think about it at all.
 
2021-04-16 11:31:07 AM  

Marcos P: Let's cut the bullshiat and just stream coders hammering away at programming languages.


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2021-04-16 11:35:44 AM  
The only person I really follow on Twitch is Ron Funches.
 
2021-04-16 11:41:12 AM  

skyotter: Who is making the bots, and why?

Qui bono?

Yes I'm really asking.  Where's the motive?


Fame and ad revenue. Streamers can run commercials and get sponsorships. And a more popular streamer has an easier time attracting new viewers so growth kinda snowballs.

It's basically the same as Instagram but with fewer cute animals.
 
2021-04-16 11:59:48 AM  

Underwater Bystander: skyotter: Who is making the bots, and why?

Qui bono?

Yes I'm really asking.  Where's the motive?

Fame and ad revenue. Streamers can run commercials and get sponsorships. And a more popular streamer has an easier time attracting new viewers so growth kinda snowballs.

It's basically the same as Instagram but with fewer cute animals.


That's if a streamer is driving bots to their own streams. There's also bots joining/following/whatever without the streamer being involved at all.

It's the usual reasons. Advertising spam in chat. Trying to win giveaways to resell for profit. Just to be a dick because they can. Things of that nature.
 
2021-04-16 12:40:10 PM  
If your click-through rates
Don't look too good
Who ya gonna call?

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2021-04-16 12:41:49 PM  
Female Twitch gamers are sick of being made fun of for playing on Easy Mode.

You mean people don't want to watch a bunch of amateurs stumble through gaming tutorials just because they're slightly attractive? Oh no! But now I'll never learn how to get past that first cut scene. Press Any Key? Where the hell's the Any Key?
 
2021-04-16 12:51:11 PM  
Twitch: When you're tired of the polish and tight editing of podcasts
 
2021-04-16 12:57:43 PM  
I watch TheseKnivesOnly on youtube now and again. I can't imagine waiting to watch him play live. He does produce some great footage with his play and people's reactions but I can see it on youtube whenever. I also like to watch StoneMountain64 on youtube but again, i wouldn't tune in live. He is a solid player but his whole affectation of the 'I'm the squad leader here! On my 6 soldiers!!!' I find hilarious. All the way down to his making feedback noises when he keys the mic

Language warning. Negative on that mute! Do not silence the comms channel!

Guy takes Online Game WAY TOO SERIOUS (Battlefield)
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2021-04-16 1:01:31 PM  
I don't give a fark about seeing championship level gaming. I want to be entertained; and get the bonus of some interaction with the streamer and other observers.
 
2021-04-16 1:12:43 PM  
Twitch is all THOTs in hot tubs now.

And BRB - Changing into a cute bikini!
 
2021-04-16 1:23:00 PM  
The only Twitch stream I've ever watched is a copyright lawyer who also does Minecraft.  After 5 minutes of his incoherent rambling, I turned it off and went back to reading his tweet threads.
 
2021-04-16 1:39:18 PM  

farkingismybusiness: Female Twitch gamers are sick of being made fun of for playing on Easy Mode.

You mean people don't want to watch a bunch of amateurs stumble through gaming tutorials just because they're slightly attractive? Oh no! But now I'll never learn how to get past that first cut scene. Press Any Key? Where the hell's the Any Key?


The only thing more boring than watching an amateur stumble through gaming tutorials because they're slightly attractive is watching a gaming professional kick ass at a gaming tutorial.

Unless they're also slightly attractive, then it's about as entertaining either way.
 
2021-04-16 1:44:20 PM  
I prefer Youtube for let's plays, because a) I have no interest in keeping track of a streamer's schedule, and b) Twitch's video player sucks.
 
2021-04-16 1:46:31 PM  

farkingismybusiness: Female Twitch gamers are sick of being made fun of for playing on Easy Mode.

You mean people don't want to watch a bunch of amateurs stumble through gaming tutorials just because they're slightly attractive? Oh no! But now I'll never learn how to get past that first cut scene. Press Any Key? Where the hell's the Any Key?


If you don't want to be made fun of, don't put your face on the internet.
 
2021-04-16 1:50:26 PM  
I signed up to watch DnD games
I only watch Critical Role which I love
The rest are AWFUL
 
2021-04-16 2:04:17 PM  

farkingismybusiness: Female Twitch gamers are sick of being made fun of for playing on Easy Mode.


I assumed that was an Onion article, yet I'm not really surprised to see it's Polygon.
 
2021-04-16 2:06:04 PM  

taintbaggins: I signed up to watch DnD games
I only watch Critical Role which I love
The rest are AWFUL


D&D generally does not make for good live watching (although summaries can be quite fun). For live role-playing, I prefer looser systems like Call of Cthulhu.
 
2021-04-16 2:33:18 PM  
What about human "bots"?  I have an addiction to a game with Twitch drops enabled, but Twitch is stupid.  I open up a stream, set resolution to 160p, mute, and drag the window off the edge of the screen (I don't minimize in case they watch for that).

I actually wonder if they updated the way drops work just to get the bandwidth wasters like me off the streams by making it obvious when drops are going to happen (e.g. now I only log in for the 1 hour a week it takes for my drop vs 12 hours a day when it was random).
 
2021-04-16 2:36:22 PM  
When I was a kid hanging out at the arcade, when I ran out of quarters I would stick around for a few hours and just watch other people play video games. Sometimes I'd learn tricks and tips from them, but mostly it was because I just liked video games. They were like interactive cartoons and I liked cartoons. But I eventually grew up and grew out of that phase.

If I was a child today I could totally see myself wasting away watching Twitch streamers all day. So I get the appeal.

From this limited and admittedly personal anecdote perspective, I surmise that probably about 95% of passive Twitch viewers are children under the age of 10. Not sure how anyone is supposed to make money from that, because children are indistinguishable from bots. But I guess Twitch has a business model that works, somehow.
 
2021-04-16 2:49:43 PM  

WhippingBoi: Marcos P: Let's cut the bullshiat and just stream coders hammering away at programming languages.

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Probably the gayest movie Travolta has ever done. I was expecting him to bend Jackman over a table at any moment.
 
2021-04-16 2:49:59 PM  
Number of followers means nothing on Twitch.  Only the number of subscribers $$$ means anything.
 
2021-04-16 2:54:31 PM  

Lumbar Puncture: farkingismybusiness: Female Twitch gamers are sick of being made fun of for playing on Easy Mode.

You mean people don't want to watch a bunch of amateurs stumble through gaming tutorials just because they're slightly attractive? Oh no! But now I'll never learn how to get past that first cut scene. Press Any Key? Where the hell's the Any Key?

The only thing more boring than watching an amateur stumble through gaming tutorials because they're slightly attractive is watching a gaming professional kick ass at a gaming tutorial.

Unless they're also slightly attractive, then it's about as entertaining either way.


I don't watch Twitch. I used to not understand the concept of watching other people play video games, but I guess I get the appeal if you're a little kid and can't afford your own games. The only gamer I've ever watched is videogamedunkey on YouTube. I found out about him about a year ago and now understand why people watch other people play video games a little better. He's hilarious.
 
2021-04-16 2:55:39 PM  

Severaux: farkingismybusiness: Female Twitch gamers are sick of being made fun of for playing on Easy Mode.

I assumed that was an Onion article, yet I'm not really surprised to see it's Polygon.


I don't know anything about Polygon except it's a gaming site. That was just the first hit off google after seeing the same article elsewhere a couple weeks ago.
 
2021-04-16 3:03:47 PM  

farkingismybusiness: Lumbar Puncture: farkingismybusiness: Female Twitch gamers are sick of being made fun of for playing on Easy Mode.

You mean people don't want to watch a bunch of amateurs stumble through gaming tutorials just because they're slightly attractive? Oh no! But now I'll never learn how to get past that first cut scene. Press Any Key? Where the hell's the Any Key?

The only thing more boring than watching an amateur stumble through gaming tutorials because they're slightly attractive is watching a gaming professional kick ass at a gaming tutorial.

Unless they're also slightly attractive, then it's about as entertaining either way.

I don't watch Twitch. I used to not understand the concept of watching other people play video games, but I guess I get the appeal if you're a little kid and can't afford your own games. The only gamer I've ever watched is videogamedunkey on YouTube. I found out about him about a year ago and now understand why people watch other people play video games a little better. He's hilarious.


Well yeah, he does commentary over game clips. All watching someone play a game makes me want to do is go play a video game.

That and I don't have his Mario skill to try Yoshi's Big Burrito.
 
2021-04-16 3:04:37 PM  
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2021-04-16 3:09:21 PM  

farkingismybusiness: Female Twitch gamers are sick of being made fun of for playing on Easy Mode.

You mean people don't want to watch a bunch of amateurs stumble through gaming tutorials just because they're slightly attractive? Oh no! But now I'll never learn how to get past that first cut scene. Press Any Key? Where the hell's the Any Key?


Then I mean...they could just not watch in the first place?  No need to be toxic about it.  Playing on easy probably make it easier to stream and talk and interact as well in general.  

Sure, I could play Doom Eternal on the highest difficulty, but all you're going to hear from me is a giant slew of profanity and not answering any questions about the game in chat.
 
2021-04-16 3:14:35 PM  
I watch the MST3K and Rifftrax channels while I work.

There's some really quirky content made by complete weirdos on that site, it's a shame that people playing an FPS are the top users.
 
2021-04-16 3:18:36 PM  

Marcos P: Let's cut the bullshiat and just stream coders hammering away at programming languages.


Sam Aaron live coding a DJ set with Sonic Pi
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2021-04-16 3:24:52 PM  
Who the fark watches other people play video games? That's like watching someone watch a sporting event.

Who the fark am I kidding? Reaction videos are popular for some unknown reason.

/Save us from our living hell, Giant Meteor.
 
2021-04-16 3:26:20 PM  

HotWingConspiracy: I watch the MST3K and Rifftrax channels while I work.

There's some really quirky content made by complete weirdos on that site, it's a shame that people playing an FPS are the top users.


There's a bunch of channels like that, showing classic TV shows and whatnot all day long. BobRoss, OnlyMXC, and IronChef_Episodes, among others.
 
2021-04-16 3:26:23 PM  
I've found Twitch to be invaluable in finding players for games I like who aren't a-holes.  Right before Friday the 13th The Game came out I was hanging out in a channel that was heavily promoting the game with beta footage.  He was trying to develop a community around the game for when it launched.  I met a couple of other streamers in that channel and I was regularly invited to join their matches.  They were cool people just wanting to have fun playing.  My kind of style.  I had a lot of fun in their games, way better than with random players.

Twitch is also great if you want to find players for older/less played games.  I love fighting games in general, but I primarily like certain older ones such as Virtua Fighter 5: Final Showdown.  That game is relegated to PS3 and XBox 360 so it's hard to find matches.  Enter Twitch.  Find a streamer playing that game, hang out s while, and you can get invited into their online lobby to join in matches.  I discovered just how terrible I am at that game but it was all good.  The people in that channel are good sports and are happy to have new players join.

Recently an old Guilty Gear game on PC, Guilty Gear Accent Core Plus R, received roll back netcode so it was now actually playable online and interest exploded.  A streamer named Classic Fighting Games held an online tournament.  Over 400 players were in it.  People donated to the pot and it ended up reaching over $3000 dollars for the top 3 players.  This kind of turn out and winnings wouldn't have been possible without Twitch, outside of big pro tournaments like Evo.
 
2021-04-16 3:28:32 PM  

skyotter: Who is making the bots, and why?

Qui bono?

Yes I'm really asking.  Where's the motive?


Twitch gets in more ad revenue if more people watch. They have no interest to stop bots as long as the advertisers don't notice.

Streamers need viewers for ad revenue. They have a direct reason to create bots.
 
2021-04-16 4:32:46 PM  

Lumbar Puncture: farkingismybusiness: Female Twitch gamers are sick of being made fun of for playing on Easy Mode.

You mean people don't want to watch a bunch of amateurs stumble through gaming tutorials just because they're slightly attractive? Oh no! But now I'll never learn how to get past that first cut scene. Press Any Key? Where the hell's the Any Key?

The only thing more boring than watching an amateur stumble through gaming tutorials because they're slightly attractive is watching a gaming professional kick ass at a gaming tutorial.

Unless they're also slightly attractive, then it's about as entertaining either way.


The only exceptions I can think of are those who are better at filling all the "inbetween moments" with decent monologues.  Scott Manley did this well enough for Kerbal Space Program thanks to being a DJ (can fill dead air with patter) and being a former astrophysics grad student (plenty of that patter is space trivia and similar).  I can't think of any others I'd watch unless I really needed that tutorial.

Unfortunately, people would rather make a youtube tutorial (you might get monetized) rather than something easily read and digested.  Fortunately, aside from the previously mentioned KSP (expect to learn rocket science quickly), you shouldn't need too many gaming tutorials.
 
2021-04-16 5:36:43 PM  

Bslim: WhippingBoi: Marcos P: Let's cut the bullshiat and just stream coders hammering away at programming languages.

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Probably the gayest movie Travolta has ever done. I was expecting him to bend Jackman over a table at any moment.


The claymore scene at the beginning is pretty sweet though:
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2021-04-16 5:47:20 PM  
i'm old and i don't get it
 
2021-04-16 5:50:02 PM  
bigbadideasinaction:

Twitch gets in more ad revenue if more people watch. They have no interest to stop bots as long as the advertisers don't notice.

Streamers need viewers for ad revenue. They have a direct reason to create bots.


And Number of Followers is not involved in this in any way.  Only active viewers.
 
2021-04-16 6:40:42 PM  

Dwedit: bigbadideasinaction:

Twitch gets in more ad revenue if more people watch. They have no interest to stop bots as long as the advertisers don't notice.

Streamers need viewers for ad revenue. They have a direct reason to create bots.

And Number of Followers is not involved in this in any way.  Only active viewers.


Active viewers, subs, and donos.

The actual # of viewers or even subs compared to the massive number of followers make it clear that follower counts are fluffy bullshiat. In very low use count channels I've seen maybe 20% viewers, 80% followers. In bigger channels, they claim millions of followers, and peak out at 23K viewers... Seeing subcounts is interesting, because it seems like sub count is often higher than active viewer count.

I'm not sure why anyone, including advertisers would care if you claimed 2 billion followers, if you have 50k peak viewers, that's probably a better advertising footprint to use. There's some turnover during a stream surely, so maybe a sponsored stream could see double the peak viewer count, at best.

What good is this follower count at all?
 
2021-04-16 6:44:30 PM  

moothemagiccow: i'm old and i don't get it


It's like how you'd go to your friend's house and watch them play video games, assuming you had friends and they were jerks who wouldn't hand over the controller; except you don't have to be their friend or go over to their house.
 
2021-04-16 6:49:55 PM  

HallsOfMandos: Marcos P: Let's cut the bullshiat and just stream coders hammering away at programming languages.

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I'm in.


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2021-04-16 6:56:55 PM  
I think livestreams, such as on Twitch, are nothing more than than television staples like talk shows and game shows but slightly evolved.

For one thing, looks aren't everything. Watch the most popular live streams. They are not the most attractive streamers(no offense). Just like with television, looks can get you a lot of attention at first but after that you will need more going for you.

That's where personality, charisma, likeability, and people skills separate the successful from the wannabes. Whether you're good at the game or look good in a bikini, your schtick will get old. Once you've drawn an audience can you keep them coming back? Next time you watch a successful streamer, watch with that question in mind. Then watch a streamer struggling to build an audience and I think you'll see what I mean. It may be an odd skillset, to be a successful livestreamer, but it's a genuine one.
 
2021-04-16 6:59:32 PM  

Sgt. Expendable: Underwater Bystander: skyotter: Who is making the bots, and why?

Qui bono?

Yes I'm really asking.  Where's the motive?

Fame and ad revenue. Streamers can run commercials and get sponsorships. And a more popular streamer has an easier time attracting new viewers so growth kinda snowballs.

It's basically the same as Instagram but with fewer cute animals.

That's if a streamer is driving bots to their own streams. There's also bots joining/following/whatever without the streamer being involved at all.

It's the usual reasons. Advertising spam in chat. Trying to win giveaways to resell for profit. Just to be a dick because they can. Things of that nature.


Making bots that just followed new streamers as they were suddenly becoming popular would look suspicious.  They have to make them follow a bunch of nobodies for free to avoid scrutiny.
 
2021-04-16 7:11:14 PM  
Yes, most streamers are just 'watch me play video games', but people have developed it into a bit more of an art and there are many specialties which make the experience something more than just playing the game yourself. It's still a new medium though so a lot of it isn't the most stunning stuff.

The only streamer I can think of who is really pushing streaming into become something beyond what it is now is Jerma985. This isn't a recommendation to watch him if you've never watched any streaming before though. That'd be like trying to watch Letterman in the 80s if you've never turned on a TV before.
 
2021-04-16 7:21:42 PM  

Mad_Radhu: The only person I really follow on Twitch is Ron Funches.


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