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2021-04-16 6:12:12 AM  
The filibuster won't matter once Republicans are in power again. They get rid of it quickly so they can institute their facial dream state.

Republicans have attacked the US Government once and they are not done.
 
2021-04-16 6:45:44 AM  

physt: The filibuster won't matter once Republicans are in power again. They get rid of it quickly so they can institute their facial dream state.

Republicans have attacked the US Government once and they are not done.


Then why didn't McConnell get rid of it in any of his previous sessions?  Because he knew he'd get blowback for it.  If the Dems get rid of or severely weaken the filibuster then that gives him an excuse to do whatever he wants.
 
2021-04-16 7:01:17 AM  

physt: The filibuster won't matter once Republicans are in power again. They get rid of it quickly so they can institute their facial dream state.

Republicans have attacked the US Government once and they are not done.


What does a facial dream state look like?

You got a newsletter?
 
2021-04-16 7:23:20 AM  
The options are:

1. Do nothing and bad shiat will happen.
2. Do something good and bad shiat may happen.

Seems like the only reason to create FUD about option 2 is because you want bad shiat to happen.
 
2021-04-16 7:36:15 AM  

yohohogreengiant: physt: The filibuster won't matter once Republicans are in power again. They get rid of it quickly so they can institute their facial dream state.

Republicans have attacked the US Government once and they are not done.

What does a facial dream state look like?

You got a newsletter?


*fecal
 
2021-04-16 7:39:21 AM  

enry: physt: The filibuster won't matter once Republicans are in power again. They get rid of it quickly so they can institute their facial dream state.

Republicans have attacked the US Government once and they are not done.

Then why didn't McConnell get rid of it in any of his previous sessions?  Because he knew he'd get blowback for it.  If the Dems get rid of or severely weaken the filibuster then that gives him an excuse to do whatever he wants.


we have got to stop blaming democrats for republican malfeasance. Democrats didn't DO anything to make Donald Trump and republicans try and overthrow an election. Democrats didn't DO anything to make republicans steal a Supreme Court seat, not once but twice. Democrats didn't DO anything to make republicans dismiss the pandemic or advocate for everyone to catch covid to attain herd immunity (potentially killing millions in the process).

Republicans are going to do whatever the fark they want and think they can get away with which is becoming more and more extreme. Next time, they aren't going to balk or back away when extremists storm the capital, they're going to publicly join them.
 
2021-04-16 7:56:41 AM  

Ambivalence: enry: physt: The filibuster won't matter once Republicans are in power again. They get rid of it quickly so they can institute their facial dream state.

Republicans have attacked the US Government once and they are not done.

Then why didn't McConnell get rid of it in any of his previous sessions?  Because he knew he'd get blowback for it.  If the Dems get rid of or severely weaken the filibuster then that gives him an excuse to do whatever he wants.

we have got to stop blaming democrats for republican malfeasance. Democrats didn't DO anything to make Donald Trump and republicans try and overthrow an election. Democrats didn't DO anything to make republicans steal a Supreme Court seat, not once but twice. Democrats didn't DO anything to make republicans dismiss the pandemic or advocate for everyone to catch covid to attain herd immunity (potentially killing millions in the process).

Republicans are going to do whatever the fark they want and think they can get away with which is becoming more and more extreme. Next time, they aren't going to balk or back away when extremists storm the capital, they're going to publicly join them.


I'm not blaming Democrats.  I'm saying that Republicans use whatever Democrats do as an excuse to justify their own behavior and apparently people lap it up and vote for them.  If Democrats are going to remove the filibuster then you have to be prepared for all of the consequences that come with it.

And again, if Republicans are itching to get rid of the filibuster themselves they've had plenty of chances to do it but they also haven't.  Why? Because they're waiting for Democrats to jump on that grenade.
 
2021-04-16 7:59:10 AM  

enry: I'm saying that Republicans use whatever Democrats do as an excuse to justify their own behavior and apparently people lap it up and vote for them.


They use whatever justification they can dream up, not just "what democrats do". Republicans control the agenda, even when they are not in power. That has to stop.
 
2021-04-16 8:03:00 AM  

BumpInTheNight: yohohogreengiant: physt: The filibuster won't matter once Republicans are in power again. They get rid of it quickly so they can institute their facial dream state.

Republicans have attacked the US Government once and they are not done.

What does a facial dream state look like?

You got a newsletter?

*fecal


That's not my fetish
 
2021-04-16 8:21:54 AM  

Ambivalence: enry: I'm saying that Republicans use whatever Democrats do as an excuse to justify their own behavior and apparently people lap it up and vote for them.

They use whatever justification they can dream up, not just "what democrats do". Republicans control the agenda, even when they are not in power. That has to stop.


Then why didn't they remove the filibuster already?
 
2021-04-16 8:22:34 AM  

Ambivalence: enry: I'm saying that Republicans use whatever Democrats do as an excuse to justify their own behavior and apparently people lap it up and vote for them.

They use whatever justification they can dream up, not just "what democrats do". Republicans control the agenda, even when they are not in power. That has to stop.


You're right that they control the agenda even when the minority.
 
2021-04-16 9:07:17 AM  

enry: Ambivalence: enry: I'm saying that Republicans use whatever Democrats do as an excuse to justify their own behavior and apparently people lap it up and vote for them.

They use whatever justification they can dream up, not just "what democrats do". Republicans control the agenda, even when they are not in power. That has to stop.

You're right that they control the agenda even when the minority.


She's right that it has to stop, too.
 
2021-04-16 9:16:43 AM  

physt: The filibuster won't matter once Republicans are in power again. They get rid of it quickly so they can institute their facial dream state.

Republicans have attacked the US Government once and they are not done.


Just like they did when they tried to repeal the ACA with majorities in both houses of Congress.
 
2021-04-16 9:17:43 AM  

enry: physt: The filibuster won't matter once Republicans are in power again. They get rid of it quickly so they can institute their facial dream state.

Republicans have attacked the US Government once and they are not done.

Then why didn't McConnell get rid of it in any of his previous sessions?  Because he knew he'd get blowback for it.  If the Dems get rid of or severely weaken the filibuster then that gives him an excuse to do whatever he wants.


Stop. Governing. According. To What. Republicans. Will. Think.
 
2021-04-16 9:19:03 AM  
Make it the classic filibuster where you have to actually show up, talk the whole time, and cannot leave to eat or go to the bathroom.  The phone in filibuster is the problem.
 
2021-04-16 9:19:23 AM  
Don't lock your door.

You may forget your key.  And one day, you will need something, and a passing stranger, who came to ransack your house, will be of assistance or so he will tell you.    ---  Politico Logic (a superior logic)
 
2021-04-16 9:19:26 AM  
Getting massively popular legislation passed would be truly horrifying. We should just keep not doing that then wondering why nothing changes.
 
2021-04-16 9:19:37 AM  
There's no debatable math here. Either we axe the filibuster or this country is doomed.

This isn't a difficult choice, nor is it a difficult thing to do. The ones who find it difficult are people who don't want it to be done.
 
2021-04-16 9:21:01 AM  
Oh you progressives, just calm down and let us do incrimental change.
We have given up this much to the right so we can eventually move back left any day now.
Also ,do you really want to eliminate the filibuster with Biden,Sinema and Manchin working with Republicans?
 
2021-04-16 9:22:00 AM  

enry: Ambivalence: enry: I'm saying that Republicans use whatever Democrats do as an excuse to justify their own behavior and apparently people lap it up and vote for them.

They use whatever justification they can dream up, not just "what democrats do". Republicans control the agenda, even when they are not in power. That has to stop.

Then why didn't they remove the filibuster already?


Because they didnt need to, they already had a majority and could steamroll a filibuster also, they knew the Democrats wouldnt abuse it the way they do, and, if they found themselves out of power, like now, they could abuse it.

They had no incentive or reason to remove it, and would have caught flak for it if they had.

Answer your question?
 
2021-04-16 9:23:09 AM  
Hey stupid article, listen up:

Get rid of the filibuster to make PR & DC states and then add to the supreme court to balance the tremendous inequity the electoral college and gerrymandering have given the minority.

Then the hellscape described by your useless fearmongering article intended to sway public opinion against democracy will not occur.

Also, you suck, article.  And your mother dresses you funny. Fark you article.
 
2021-04-16 9:23:18 AM  
Americans need to start suffering under GOP laws. The filibuster is the only thing saving Republican voters from Republican law makers. Ending the filibuster will end conservatism.
 
2021-04-16 9:23:42 AM  

enry: Then why didn't they remove the filibuster already?


Who knows?
but stop pretending McConnell is doing things to "preserve norms" or because he cares about "blowback". He does whatever is politically expedient, whenever he can. It's likely he didn't destroy the filibuster because he knew there'd be backlash to the trump Presidency, and he got what he wanted - cushy job for his wife, and a massive tax cut. Why make things easier for a dude he doesn't even like on his own political skin.
 
2021-04-16 9:23:45 AM  
Y,know, Politico turned into a hardcore Republican porn channel so gradually, I hardly noticed
 
2021-04-16 9:23:56 AM  
Yeah, yeah - we heard it from Mitch, I drink children's blood, McConnell the first time

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2021-04-16 9:24:06 AM  
You can't sit around being afraid that the republicans will do something bad. They absolutely will do something bad. It's a promise. Who cares if cloture or whatever is a thing if they're just going to nuke democracy anyway?

F*ck them. Get rid of the fillibuster, pass popular legislation. Campaign on that popular legislation and let the chips fall where they may.

And then imprison every Capitol Hill insurrectionist and publicly execute their leader.

Those two things should get a lot done. And then we either move forward together, or we see the first civil war where the outcome is a series of truly interconnected city states seceding from a bunch of dying rural sh*tholes. Either way I'm good.
 
2021-04-16 9:24:36 AM  

enry: Ambivalence: enry: I'm saying that Republicans use whatever Democrats do as an excuse to justify their own behavior and apparently people lap it up and vote for them.

They use whatever justification they can dream up, not just "what democrats do". Republicans control the agenda, even when they are not in power. That has to stop.

You're right that they control the agenda even when the minority.


The goal of their agenda is regression or stagnation.

Leaving only progress left.
 
2021-04-16 9:26:08 AM  
Because minority rule by anti-democracy neofascists has been such a dream
 
2021-04-16 9:26:22 AM  
So an article from "RONALD WEICH" or the asshole who started selling weapons to the Sinola Cartel under Bush and had to resign under Obama. Yeah we should total listen to any of his opinions.
 
2021-04-16 9:26:30 AM  

enry: physt: The filibuster won't matter once Republicans are in power again. They get rid of it quickly so they can institute their facial dream state.

Republicans have attacked the US Government once and they are not done.

Then why didn't McConnell get rid of it in any of his previous sessions?  Because he knew he'd get blowback for it.  If the Dems get rid of or severely weaken the filibuster then that gives him an excuse to do whatever he wants.


because up until 1/6 the GOP was still  maintaining a thin veil of support for democracy.

the runoff loss in Georgia and the unpunished coup have dramatically altered the stakes.
 
2021-04-16 9:26:45 AM  
Republicans are going to fark shait up no matter what.Worrying about what McConnell MIGHT do in the future is stupid. You already know exactly what he'll do: tax cuts and stall judicial appointments until his guy is in the White House. What he won't do is govern or implement any actual policies because he doesn't know how to do that. If we let him keep the filibuster, he'll make sure nobody gets anything done.

Let's do some good, let people get used to it, and force the GQP to tear it down later. See how that plays for them.
 
2021-04-16 9:27:48 AM  
Politico also fails to note that the very nature of those bills would change.

A GOP majority that used to draft bills like "end the Department of Education" or "donate all Federal lands to Sheldon Adelson's starving children" or whatever PRECISELY BECAUSE they knew they could get a "win" by introducing base-pleasing but still doomed legislation - from their legislative majority, it's the only way to thread the needle of doing something without actually doing something.

Without the filibuster, they actually have to sit and think about it.

// not that they all will
// but I suspect a lot of the crazier shiat gets tossed during negotiations, because 52 Republicans may be crazy, but not all 52 will be so stupid
 
2021-04-16 9:29:12 AM  
Because everything has been so dreamy with the filibuster?   Is this what the author is saying?

I am not reading.
 
2021-04-16 9:29:51 AM  

Poltrgeist: Y,know, Politico turned into a hardcore Republican porn channel so gradually, I hardly noticed


Then you're going to loooove "The Hill"
 
2021-04-16 9:29:57 AM  

lectos: Make it the classic filibuster where you have to actually show up, talk the whole time, and cannot leave to eat or go to the bathroom.  The phone in filibuster is the problem.


No. Leaving any speck of the filibuster intact is a failure.
 
2021-04-16 9:29:59 AM  

physt: The filibuster won't matter once Republicans are in power again. They get rid of it quickly so they can institute their facial dream state.

Republicans have attacked the US Government once and they are not done.


The issue here is that it won't matter anyway whether there is a filibuster or not. The GOP by their own statements and actions have already shown that they have no desire to actually legislate and do anything for the betterment of the nation. When half of your legislative body is actively undermining the very reason for the body to exist there really is no way to win.

It's sad to watch one half of our country tear apart of the other just so they can convince their least educated voters to keep putting them in office.
 
2021-04-16 9:30:20 AM  
cant they just vote it back in place if they remove it ? Lame duck session, they lose power but not enough seats for a gop majority to remove them in the next session ?
 
2021-04-16 9:30:31 AM  

enry: Then why didn't McConnell get rid of it in any of his previous sessions?  Because he knew he'd get blowback for it.


Wrong. He didn't need to. He didn't have a situation where he had to worry about it, because HE DOESN'T CARE ABOUT PASSING LEGISLATION, except for tax cuts, of course, which he did with reconciliation.

The moment he needed to do it, he would have.
 
2021-04-16 9:31:15 AM  

enry: physt: The filibuster won't matter once Republicans are in power again. They get rid of it quickly so they can institute their facial dream state.

Republicans have attacked the US Government once and they are not done.

Then why didn't McConnell get rid of it in any of his previous sessions?  Because he knew he'd get blowback for it.  If the Dems get rid of or severely weaken the filibuster then that gives him an excuse to do whatever he wants.


Because there was no point in him doing so. The GOP couldn't get 50 votes in it's own party for anything but tax cuts. They had no interest in governing other than tax cuts and judges.
 
2021-04-16 9:31:36 AM  

kindms: cant they just vote it back in place if they remove it ? Lame duck session, they lose power but not enough seats for a gop majority to remove them in the next session ?


Yeah. The filibuster only exists because enough senators agree it exists. If they wanted to put a rule in place that says you have to wag your genitals around while you speak on the Senate floor, they could.
 
2021-04-16 9:34:10 AM  
Done in one
 
2021-04-16 9:36:50 AM  

enry: physt: The filibuster won't matter once Republicans are in power again. They get rid of it quickly so they can institute their facial dream state.

Republicans have attacked the US Government once and they are not done.

Then why didn't McConnell get rid of it in any of his previous sessions?  Because he knew he'd get blowback for it.  If the Dems get rid of or severely weaken the filibuster then that gives him an excuse to do whatever he wants.


He didn't need to.  When he was in power he held the majority.
 
2021-04-16 9:37:12 AM  

enry: physt: The filibuster won't matter once Republicans are in power again. They get rid of it quickly so they can institute their facial dream state.

Republicans have attacked the US Government once and they are not done.

Then why didn't McConnell get rid of it in any of his previous sessions?  Because he knew he'd get blowback for it.  If the Dems get rid of or severely weaken the filibuster then that gives him an excuse to do whatever he wants.


And also, he did get rid of it for nominees for trump.
 
2021-04-16 9:37:25 AM  
I was under the impression what was being considered was making the use of the filibuster more difficult by requiring senators to actually exert themselves on the floor.
 
2021-04-16 9:37:32 AM  
If the filibuster isn't killed the two Voting Rights Acts won't be passed and we won't have a Democracy anymore, so kill it.
 
2021-04-16 9:40:12 AM  
Conservatives using threats and fear tactics to manipulate ends? What fresh hell is this?

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2021-04-16 9:42:43 AM  

dkulprit: enry: physt: The filibuster won't matter once Republicans are in power again. They get rid of it quickly so they can institute their facial dream state.

Republicans have attacked the US Government once and they are not done.

Then why didn't McConnell get rid of it in any of his previous sessions?  Because he knew he'd get blowback for it.  If the Dems get rid of or severely weaken the filibuster then that gives him an excuse to do whatever he wants.

And also, he did get rid of it for nominees for trump.


Even though Manchin voted for every one?
 
2021-04-16 9:42:52 AM  
In the end, it doesn't matter. Manchild and Sinerama have made sure Biden's agenda won't pass. Come 2022, the Dems will be seen as failures, the GOP will take over, and this time, they won't make the mistakes they made with Trump.
 
2021-04-16 9:43:25 AM  

Ambivalence: enry: physt: The filibuster won't matter once Republicans are in power again. They get rid of it quickly so they can institute their facial dream state.

Republicans have attacked the US Government once and they are not done.

Then why didn't McConnell get rid of it in any of his previous sessions?  Because he knew he'd get blowback for it.  If the Dems get rid of or severely weaken the filibuster then that gives him an excuse to do whatever he wants.

we have got to stop blaming democrats for republican malfeasance. Democrats didn't DO anything to make Donald Trump and republicans try and overthrow an election. Democrats didn't DO anything to make republicans steal a Supreme Court seat, not once but twice. Democrats didn't DO anything to make republicans dismiss the pandemic or advocate for everyone to catch covid to attain herd immunity (potentially killing millions in the process).

Republicans are going to do whatever the fark they want and think they can get away with which is becoming more and more extreme. Next time, they aren't going to balk or back away when extremists storm the capital, they're going to publicly join them.


"What did you do to make that bully so mad?"
 
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