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2021-04-16 2:13:43 AM  
I wonder if Dan saw that coming.
 
2021-04-16 2:17:27 AM  
Head west and find a peyote shaman.
 
2021-04-16 8:34:44 AM  
I never thought cannabis would be legal in my lifetime, and now shrooms have a chance ?

who would have thunk it
 
2021-04-16 8:36:33 AM  
How about non-veterans with PTSD?
 
2021-04-16 8:39:43 AM  
Hasn't this always been the case  - the String Cheese Incident assured me years ago that a Texas sheriff couldn't bust them for mushrooms because, "you don't know what you just found"

Texas
Youtube ei22FSGexFM
 
2021-04-16 8:43:05 AM  
Isn't Ted Nugent a Texas resident now?

Amboy Dukes-- Journey To The Center Of The Mind
Youtube Beh1ipK3hN0
 
2021-04-16 8:44:40 AM  
Helping people? Veterans? With mushrooms? Republicans will get that shut down quick.
 
2021-04-16 8:45:24 AM  
Austin is waayyyyy ahead of you guys lol
 
2021-04-16 8:45:36 AM  

Tyrone Slothrop: How about non-veterans with PTSD?


Works great.

I think I'm going to self-medicate and play some minecraft tonight.
 
2021-04-16 8:47:56 AM  
Yes. More of this research in the mainstream.
 
2021-04-16 8:48:44 AM  
Roller peg probably needs it since he surely blew the millions he won in what he now considers a frivolous lawsuit when the tree hit him.
 
2021-04-16 8:50:18 AM  
If I ever get to retire, my plan includes a lot of shrooms. I could use a sense of relaxed goodwill and renewed interest in nature. Never had a trippy experience despite very large doses, just felt good, if a more light-sensitive than I already am.
 
2021-04-16 8:50:37 AM  
Can we add weed as well? It helps with the stomachache that shrooms can cause.


However, you might trust the wrong fart if you mix the two.
 
2021-04-16 8:54:39 AM  

Tyrone Slothrop: How about non-veterans with PTSD?


You could have had access to MDMA to help with therapy.  But this being America, we can't have nice things.

If memory serves, MDMA was the focus of an episode of a History Channel series on illegal drugs.  Per the show, MDMA was invented in Texas in the 1980s, but the psychologist's brother-in-law or cousin or something, stole the formula, started making it and selling it at clubs.

Soon after, congress overreacted to the scary "designer drugs" they herd about in the news and outlawed it.
 
2021-04-16 8:55:13 AM  
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2021-04-16 8:55:35 AM  

Tyrone Slothrop: How about non-veterans with PTSD?


Oh, sure, and just let the terrorists win?
 
2021-04-16 9:03:38 AM  
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Long quiet walks in the woods.  Quit relaxing
 
2021-04-16 9:04:25 AM  
I know Johns Hopkins has been working on this for a while with PTSD and addiction. The results seem to have been going well for it so far. Wish they were doing it years ago when I was in a bad car accident, the nightmares that gave me for years was awful.
 
2021-04-16 9:14:29 AM  
Bill filed by a Democratic state rep. Chances of it getting through the Texas legislative gauntlet are sadly near zero. Good try, tho.
 
2021-04-16 9:20:09 AM  
Hallucinogens are great for treating conditions that society has taught us to suck up and endure. LSD has proven very effective in treating people with severe alcoholism and in addition to treating PTSD, psilocybin is also very effective with end-of-life therapy for patients with terminal illnesses. But remember, you don't need to be an alcoholic/veteran with PTSD/terminally ill to benefit from these entheogen helpers.
 
2021-04-16 9:25:02 AM  
Please for the love of farking God, decriminalize medicine so we treat people with mental help issues and trauma.

Can we PLEASE stop being a nation of cruelty and savagery.
 
2021-04-16 9:27:51 AM  

RasIanI: Hasn't this always been the case  - the String Cheese Incident assured me years ago that a Texas sheriff couldn't bust them for mushrooms because, "you don't know what you just found"

[Youtube-video https://www.youtube.com/embed/ei22FSGe​xFM]


every time i hear that tune I can picture myself in the RV when they back out of the liquor store and hit the building
 
2021-04-16 9:28:20 AM  

Peter von Nostrand: Roller peg probably needs it since he surely blew the millions he won in what he now considers a frivolous lawsuit when the tree hit him.


He'll probably announce that immigrant children at the border at stealing his mushroom.

Make that criminal immigrant children.  No make that teenage criminal immigr ...
Hell there's a song about it.

Austin Lounge Lizards "Teenage Immigrant Mothers On Drugs" 7/13/06 E Ancramdale, NY
Youtube WQDGh9DNAnI



It's been five years since we had a raise in pay
And they disallowed my business lunches today
Somebody must have changed the rules of the game
So we've found a convenient scapegoat we can blame
It's those teenage immigrant welfare mothers on drugs
(They're too lazy to work)
Teenage immigrant welfare mothers on drugs
(They're stealing our jobs)
Somebody ran this country deep into debt
I called up Congress, but nobody's called back yet
Sometimes I get so mad I can't think straight
We're looking for relief and it feels so great to hate
All those teenage immigrant welfare mothers on drugs
(They're on the Dole)
Teenage immigrant welfare mothers on drugs
(They're speaking espanol)
Who's to blame for the things we're so angry about?
Who's to blame for uprisings, downsizings, and the drought?
Who's to blame for the end of the good old days?
Who's to blame for that backwards-cap-wearing craze?
It's those teenage immigrant welfare mothers on drugs
(Let's build a thousand-mile fence)
Teenage immigrant welfare mothers on drugs
(It's just common sense)
Teenage immigrant welfare mothers on drugs
(Like the Berlin Wall)
Teenage immigrant welfare mothers on drugs
(Land mines and all!)
Teenage immigrant welfare mothers on drugs
 
2021-04-16 9:43:02 AM  

BitwiseShift: Peter von Nostrand: Roller peg probably needs it since he surely blew the millions he won in what he now considers a frivolous lawsuit when the tree hit him.

He'll probably announce that immigrant children at the border at stealing his mushroom.

Make that criminal immigrant children.  No make that teenage criminal immigr ...
Hell there's a song about it.

[YouTube video: Austin Lounge Lizards "Teenage Immigrant Mothers On Drugs" 7/13/06 E Ancramdale, NY]


It's been five years since we had a raise in pay
And they disallowed my business lunches today
Somebody must have changed the rules of the game
So we've found a convenient scapegoat we can blame
It's those teenage immigrant welfare mothers on drugs
(They're too lazy to work)
Teenage immigrant welfare mothers on drugs
(They're stealing our jobs)
Somebody ran this country deep into debt
I called up Congress, but nobody's called back yet
Sometimes I get so mad I can't think straight
We're looking for relief and it feels so great to hate
All those teenage immigrant welfare mothers on drugs
(They're on the Dole)
Teenage immigrant welfare mothers on drugs
(They're speaking espanol)
Who's to blame for the things we're so angry about?
Who's to blame for uprisings, downsizings, and the drought?
Who's to blame for the end of the good old days?
Who's to blame for that backwards-cap-wearing craze?
It's those teenage immigrant welfare mothers on drugs
(Let's build a thousand-mile fence)
Teenage immigrant welfare mothers on drugs
(It's just common sense)
Teenage immigrant welfare mothers on drugs
(Like the Berlin Wall)
Teenage immigrant welfare mothers on drugs
(Land mines and all!)
Teenage immigrant welfare mothers on drugs


Worst teenage mutant ninja turtles spinoff ever.
 
2021-04-16 9:54:30 AM  

HerptheDerp: Please for the love of farking God, decriminalize medicine so we treat people with mental help issues and trauma.

Can we PLEASE stop being a nation of cruelty and savagery.


Not with Talivangelists in office.
 
2021-04-16 10:30:24 AM  
And cue the Alex Jones/Kayleigh McEnany/Melissa Carone of Pot Propaganda throwing a hissy fit about this and warping the benefits of this just as he stated that cancer patients and vets suffering from PTSD are using pot to only "get high"
 
2021-04-16 10:39:54 AM  
Rick Perry supports this, so it can't possibly be quackery.

https://www.texastribune.org/2021/04/​1​3/veterans-ptsd-psychedelics-texas/
 
2021-04-16 11:03:05 AM  

Erek the Red: Tyrone Slothrop: How about non-veterans with PTSD?

You could have had access to MDMA to help with therapy.  But this being America, we can't have nice things.

If memory serves, MDMA was the focus of an episode of a History Channel series on illegal drugs.  Per the show, MDMA was invented in Texas in the 1980s, but the psychologist's brother-in-law or cousin or something, stole the formula, started making it and selling it at clubs.

Soon after, congress overreacted to the scary "designer drugs" they herd about in the news and outlawed it.


There is a lot of research going on now for MDMA and other psychedelics in the treatment of not just PTSD, but other MH issues as well. So far, they're promising. Which makes sense. Looks like psychedelics are 5HT (2A) agonists affecting the neurological structures associated with PTSD, depression, and anxiety. From what I can see, it's possible that they allow for newer patterns of thought, thereby disrupting the patterns of cognitions that exacerbate and reinforce those that increase symptoms. Considering that PTSD, depression, and anxiety have problematic patterns of thought either through self-deprecating cognitions, reinforcement of heightened sense of danger in innocuous situation, or reactivity to unpleasant body states (such as increased hyperarousal) rewriting the internal script that we tell ourselves may be easier through the use of these substances.

But I think water makes things wet, so don't quote me on this.
 
2021-04-16 11:21:44 AM  

Erek the Red: Tyrone Slothrop: How about non-veterans with PTSD?

You could have had access to MDMA to help with therapy.  But this being America, we can't have nice things.

If memory serves, MDMA was the focus of an episode of a History Channel series on illegal drugs.  Per the show, MDMA was invented in Texas in the 1980s, but the psychologist's brother-in-law or cousin or something, stole the formula, started making it and selling it at clubs.

Soon after, congress overreacted to the scary "designer drugs" they herd about in the news and outlawed it.


No. MDMA was developed in Germany in 1912, and came over to America to replace the similar MDA which was scheduled in the 1970s. MDMA was used both as a therapeutic drug and a recreational drug in the 1970s until the DEA decided to schedule it in 1984.
 
2021-04-16 11:33:47 AM  
Marijuana, Psilocybin, Psilocin, MDA, MDMA, DMT, mescaline and peyote need to be descheduled. Most have medical or therapeutic purposes beyond club drugs.
 
2021-04-16 11:38:24 AM  

KarmicDisaster: Helping people? Veterans? With mushrooms? Republicans will get that shut down quick.


Wrong

Texass is loaded with cowshiat paddies
 
2021-04-16 11:41:30 AM  

Flincher: Can we add weed as well? It helps with the stomachache that shrooms can cause.


However, you might trust the wrong fart if you mix the two.


When ur stomache aches and you squirt out ur rear end, that is ur body telling u to stop eating or drinking what uve been eating or drinking

Listen to ur body. It has your intetests in mind.
 
2021-04-16 11:43:37 AM  

BitwiseShift: Peter von Nostrand: Roller peg probably needs it since he surely blew the millions he won in what he now considers a frivolous lawsuit when the tree hit him.

He'll probably announce that immigrant children at the border at stealing his mushroom.

Make that criminal immigrant children.  No make that teenage criminal immigr ...
Hell there's a song about it.

[YouTube video: Austin Lounge Lizards "Teenage Immigrant Mothers On Drugs" 7/13/06 E Ancramdale, NY]


It's been five years since we had a raise in pay
And they disallowed my business lunches today
Somebody must have changed the rules of the game
So we've found a convenient scapegoat we can blame
It's those teenage immigrant welfare mothers on drugs
(They're too lazy to work)
Teenage immigrant welfare mothers on drugs
(They're stealing our jobs)
Somebody ran this country deep into debt
I called up Congress, but nobody's called back yet
Sometimes I get so mad I can't think straight
We're looking for relief and it feels so great to hate
All those teenage immigrant welfare mothers on drugs
(They're on the Dole)
Teenage immigrant welfare mothers on drugs
(They're speaking espanol)
Who's to blame for the things we're so angry about?
Who's to blame for uprisings, downsizings, and the drought?
Who's to blame for the end of the good old days?
Who's to blame for that backwards-cap-wearing craze?
It's those teenage immigrant welfare mothers on drugs
(Let's build a thousand-mile fence)
Teenage immigrant welfare mothers on drugs
(It's just common sense)
Teenage immigrant welfare mothers on drugs
(Like the Berlin Wall)
Teenage immigrant welfare mothers on drugs
(Land mines and all!)
Teenage immigrant welfare mothers on drugs


The lazy stock owners and the 1% are sucking everything up.

The rest pay the costs.
 
2021-04-16 12:04:05 PM  

chewd: Austin is waayyyyy ahead of you guys lol


Yep, the freeze dried ones are practically falling out of the cowshiat we have all over the place... and in the cactus... (don't move here)
 
2021-04-16 12:05:42 PM  
Are they locking Veterans with PTSD in abandoned coal mines to grow and harvest mushrooms ?

Texas Texas Texas
 
2021-04-16 12:36:14 PM  

snoopy2zero: Are they locking Veterans with PTSD in abandoned coal mines to grow and harvest mushrooms ?

Texas Texas Texas


It would be more limestone caverns.  But yes.
 
2021-04-16 12:43:48 PM  
You gonna give that treatment to all the victims of the vet with PTSD, or to all the domestic violence and sexual abuse survivors too?  They're farked up too.
 
2021-04-16 1:02:20 PM  

ImOscar: Hallucinogens are great for treating conditions that society has taught us to suck up and endure. LSD has proven very effective in treating people with severe alcoholism and in addition to treating PTSD, psilocybin is also very effective with end-of-life therapy for patients with terminal illnesses. But remember, you don't need to be an alcoholic/veteran with PTSD/terminally ill to benefit from these entheogen helpers.


So we need drugs just to survive in this society?  Do you hear what you're saying?  You're saying that instead of fixing anything, we should just do more drugs, and try to fit in.  

What horseshiat.  I've been a farking addict my whole life.  My entire life is about controlling my bad impulses, restraining myself, learning how to do everything in moderation.  Keeping myself balanced.  Or I'll die.  Its not a choice.
It's not a choice with where we are now either.  We either rein ourselves in, or we will die.  And theres not enough pot in the world to make me forget that.

But OHNO, today's young Consumers never heard of moderation.   If you're tired from your excessive lifestyle, just take some drugs, so you can going.   Depressed?  Take these farking drugs.  Sad and lonely from devoting your life to excess and making money?  Try some cocaine!

I don't even have to look for it.  This attitude is posted all over Fark, all the time.

But that's your problem.  And trust me, it's a big farking problem.
I don't like people who are too weak to admit their shortcomings, in the face of overwhelming evidence to the contrary.  What, we've gone from " just say no" to " all drugs are farking groovy and we should take them for a better life" in a generation?

I remember when they did that in the 60s.  They all turned into Boomers.

A pig by any other name is still a pig.
 
2021-04-16 1:14:36 PM  

misanthropicsob: Erek the Red: Tyrone Slothrop: How about non-veterans with PTSD?

You could have had access to MDMA to help with therapy.  But this being America, we can't have nice things.

If memory serves, MDMA was the focus of an episode of a History Channel series on illegal drugs.  Per the show, MDMA was invented in Texas in the 1980s, but the psychologist's brother-in-law or cousin or something, stole the formula, started making it and selling it at clubs.

Soon after, congress overreacted to the scary "designer drugs" they herd about in the news and outlawed it.

No. MDMA was developed in Germany in 1912, and came over to America to replace the similar MDA which was scheduled in the 1970s. MDMA was used both as a therapeutic drug and a recreational drug in the 1970s until the DEA decided to schedule it in 1984.


I'm gonna split hairs here.
Merck's archive in Darmstadt shows the first mention of MDMA in 1912 with the name  "Methylsafrylamin".
Merck's patent for "an alternative chemical method for synthesizing the styptic hydrastinine" mentions it only as it's chemical structure, a precursor.
There were no basic pharm. tests by Merck until 1927, and no tox. studies until the 1950s.
It was expensive to make and they nixed it for the side effects.
MDA was first trialed in 1941 in hopes of treating Parkinson's, then larger human trials were done from '49-'57-ish, then patented and released in 1960-61 as "amphedoxamine" (S,K, &F) for use as an anoretic.
It was available in pharm. supply houses for research use, which was how it ended up on the street, and prob how Picard got his supplies for making MDMAS (though he could have made all the precursors himself).
To a chemist, and your stomach (lol), they are quite different.
 
2021-04-16 1:56:37 PM  

cryinoutloud: ImOscar: Hallucinogens are great for treating conditions that society has taught us to suck up and endure. LSD has proven very effective in treating people with severe alcoholism and in addition to treating PTSD, psilocybin is also very effective with end-of-life therapy for patients with terminal illnesses. But remember, you don't need to be an alcoholic/veteran with PTSD/terminally ill to benefit from these entheogen helpers.

So we need drugs just to survive in this society?  Do you hear what you're saying?  You're saying that instead of fixing anything, we should just do more drugs, and try to fit in.

What horseshiat.  I've been a farking addict my whole life.  My entire life is about controlling my bad impulses, restraining myself, learning how to do everything in moderation.  Keeping myself balanced.  Or I'll die.  Its not a choice.
It's not a choice with where we are now either.  We either rein ourselves in, or we will die.  And theres not enough pot in the world to make me forget that.

But OHNO, today's young Consumers never heard of moderation.   If you're tired from your excessive lifestyle, just take some drugs, so you can going.   Depressed?  Take these farking drugs.  Sad and lonely from devoting your life to excess and making money?  Try some cocaine!

I don't even have to look for it.  This attitude is posted all over Fark, all the time.

But that's your problem.  And trust me, it's a big farking problem.
I don't like people who are too weak to admit their shortcomings, in the face of overwhelming evidence to the contrary.  What, we've gone from " just say no" to " all drugs are farking groovy and we should take them for a better life" in a generation?

I remember when they did that in the 60s.  They all turned into Boomers.

A pig by any other name is still a pig.


Blow me, jackass. I would've gladly answered some genuine inquiries into what I meant in my post but you had to lose you shiat. Go deal with your apparently abundant issues and stop attacking people cause you can't just farking ask somebody to clarify their post. Don't bother responding because you're now ignored, farking loser.
 
2021-04-16 3:30:56 PM  

ImOscar: Hallucinogens are great for treating conditions that society has taught us to suck up and endure. LSD has proven very effective in treating people with severe alcoholism


No.  No, it has not.  A causative link between the administration of LSD and positive results in treating alcoholism, while it has been posited, has never been proved.

https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/books/NB​K​99377/

"One dose of LSD had significant benefits at the short-term follow-up, but the benefits were not maintained at longer follow-up times of 12 months after treatment."

ImOscar: entheogen helpers.


I think you mean "unpredictable hallucinogens."
 
2021-04-16 3:55:38 PM  

tirob: ImOscar: Hallucinogens are great for treating conditions that society has taught us to suck up and endure. LSD has proven very effective in treating people with severe alcoholism

No.  No, it has not.  A causative link between the administration of LSD and positive results in treating alcoholism, while it has been posited, has never been proved.

https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/books/NBK​99377/

"One dose of LSD had significant benefits at the short-term follow-up, but the benefits were not maintained at longer follow-up times of 12 months after treatment."



You're right, I should've said "shown" not proven. Speaking of proof, what scientific "proof" do we have that the 12 step program is effective in keeping alcoholics off the sauce? Alcoholics relapse all the time because they're human, people fark up. We'd probably have a lot more scientists studying LSD's effects on alcoholism if it still wasn't a Schedule 1.

And I did mean entheogen helpers, it's people who are unpredictable. Hallucinogens are powerful tools for intense introspection and just like literally anything, may not be for everybody. But administered responsibly with focused intent, they can be very helpful to many. People deserve the opportunity to learn and the option to see if it works for them.
 
2021-04-16 5:44:57 PM  

ImOscar: tirob: ImOscar: Hallucinogens are great for treating conditions that society has taught us to suck up and endure. LSD has proven very effective in treating people with severe alcoholism

No.  No, it has not.  A causative link between the administration of LSD and positive results in treating alcoholism, while it has been posited, has never been proved.

https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/books/NBK​99377/

You're right, I should've said "shown" not proven.


I think the word "posited" is more appropriate.  The evidence for LSD's utility for that application is thin.

ImOscar: Speaking of proof, what scientific "proof" do we have that the 12 step program is effective in keeping alcoholics off the sauce?


I don't know the relevant figures/science.  It's true that many alcoholics relapse.

ImOscar: . We'd probably have a lot more scientists studying LSD's effects on alcoholism if it still wasn't a Schedule 1.


Maybe.  LSD *was* studied as a remedy for many conditions, mostly related to mental health, in the ~15 years before it became stylish among young people during the late sixties.  One of the major reasons scientists and clinicians ceased experimenting with the stuff was because the effects were too unpredictable, making it clinically unusable.

ImOscar: Hallucinogens are powerful tools for intense introspection


They sometimes can be.  But there are other times when they do nothing but cause hideous and dangerous optical illusions.  In the same person.  It's *not* just the people who are unpredictable.

ImOscar: But administered responsibly with focused intent


By whom?  To whom?  Under what circumstances?

ImOscar: entheogen helpers


They harm about as often as they help.  And the evidence for their spiritual utility is mighty thin.
 
2021-04-16 6:07:22 PM  

tirob: ImOscar: tirob: ImOscar: Hallucinogens are great for treating conditions that society has taught us to suck up and endure. LSD has proven very effective in treating people with severe alcoholism

No.  No, it has not.  A causative link between the administration of LSD and positive results in treating alcoholism, while it has been posited, has never been proved.

https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/books/NBK​99377/

You're right, I should've said "shown" not proven.

I think the word "posited" is more appropriate.  The evidence for LSD's utility for that application is thin.

ImOscar: Speaking of proof, what scientific "proof" do we have that the 12 step program is effective in keeping alcoholics off the sauce?

I don't know the relevant figures/science.  It's true that many alcoholics relapse.

ImOscar: . We'd probably have a lot more scientists studying LSD's effects on alcoholism if it still wasn't a Schedule 1.

Maybe.  LSD *was* studied as a remedy for many conditions, mostly related to mental health, in the ~15 years before it became stylish among young people during the late sixties.  One of the major reasons scientists and clinicians ceased experimenting with the stuff was because the effects were too unpredictable, making it clinically unusable.

ImOscar: Hallucinogens are powerful tools for intense introspection

They sometimes can be.  But there are other times when they do nothing but cause hideous and dangerous optical illusions.  In the same person.  It's *not* just the people who are unpredictable.

ImOscar: But administered responsibly with focused intent

By whom?  To whom?  Under what circumstances?

ImOscar: entheogen helpers

They harm about as often as they help.  And the evidence for their spiritual utility is mighty thin.


JFC, you're both tiresome and a waste of time. You know, it's possible to not agree with someone and just move on with your life, which I'm doing now. Can't believe I've added two people from this thread to my ignore list. Enjoy being annoying.
 
2021-04-16 10:26:17 PM  

ImOscar: ignore list


So sorry to lose you.  You obviously know so much more about this topic than I do.
 
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