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    More: Asinine, Carbon dioxide, Greenhouse gas, Methane, Natural gas, own damn satellite, state plans, former Gov. Jerry Brown, California's greenhouse gas emissions  
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2021-04-16 1:38:13 AM  
Came here hoping to see that the Mojave Spaceport was being built. Leaving disappointed.
 
2021-04-16 1:49:10 AM  
Coulda saved them a lot o money buy just giving them Uncle Lester's address
 
2021-04-16 7:19:19 AM  
California routinely acts like a nation state.

It's embarrassing that it has to.

Kudos on Governor Moonbeam. I wonder if he still cleans his own clothes in a laundromat. Sad Gavin couldn't follow up or improve on his act.
 
2021-04-16 7:21:21 AM  

mkantonelli: Came here hoping to see that the Mojave Spaceport was being built. Leaving disappointed.


It makes more sense in orbital mechanics to build in Puerto Rico. You can lift more for less.

Of course... Jones Act, lol. Hard to get the shipping to deliver the parts. Trust the USA to always be its own worse enemy.
 
2021-04-16 8:13:14 AM  

yohohogreengiant: mkantonelli: Came here hoping to see that the Mojave Spaceport was being built. Leaving disappointed.

It makes more sense in orbital mechanics to build in Puerto Rico. You can lift more for less.

Of course... Jones Act, lol. Hard to get the shipping to deliver the parts. Trust the USA to always be its own worse enemy.


It's a shorter trip than shipping parts from Alabama to the Atlantic coast of Florida.
 
2021-04-16 8:24:05 AM  
"Regulators and scientists say faster, more accurate monitoring is urgently needed to accelerate greenhouse gas reductions and keep global warming from reaching catastrophic levels."

As opposed to, say, banning high-output facilities, and stimulating faster emergence of carbon-neutral or carbon-negative industries?
 
2021-04-16 8:26:28 AM  

Tr0mBoNe: yohohogreengiant: mkantonelli: Came here hoping to see that the Mojave Spaceport was being built. Leaving disappointed.

It makes more sense in orbital mechanics to build in Puerto Rico. You can lift more for less.

Of course... Jones Act, lol. Hard to get the shipping to deliver the parts. Trust the USA to always be its own worse enemy.

It's a shorter trip than shipping parts from Alabama to the Atlantic coast of Florida.


Sadly, it isn't the distance.

A Space Port in PR is win win. Sir Beards talked about putting a Virgin facility in Rosie Roads. But it's impossible with the current local and fed policy.
 
2021-04-16 8:26:45 AM  
And here California is supposed to be this super-advanced state.  Georgia beat them by like 35 years.

GEORGIA SATELLITES - Keep Your Hands To Yourself
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2021-04-16 8:27:52 AM  

Uranus: "Regulators and scientists say faster, more accurate monitoring is urgently needed to accelerate greenhouse gas reductions and keep global warming from reaching catastrophic levels."

As opposed to, say, banning high-output facilities, and stimulating faster emergence of carbon-neutral or carbon-negative industries?


How do you enforce that, or even identify?

You gotta have pictures and proof before green tariffs or you are just back to Trump tariffs.
 
2021-04-16 8:38:32 AM  
Asinine tag? Really? Should be Spiffy.
 
2021-04-16 8:51:38 AM  
$100 million, and not launching for 2+ years?

Guys.  Have one of the state universities build some nanosats and send them up on a rideshare launch for $1 million or less.  Replace the satellites as you figure out better detection methods.
 
2021-04-16 9:13:01 AM  

yohohogreengiant: mkantonelli: Came here hoping to see that the Mojave Spaceport was being built. Leaving disappointed.

It makes more sense in orbital mechanics to build in Puerto Rico. You can lift more for less.

Of course... Jones Act, lol. Hard to get the shipping to deliver the parts. Trust the USA to always be its own worse enemy.


Actually, not into polar orbits like these sats will use.  Being near the equator helps with the big GEO sats, but most everything in LEO these days is going into some sort of inclined orbit where it actually hurts since you have to kill the rotational velocity of the Earth.  It's why you're seeing small launcher companies setting up in Alaska and Scotland.
 
2021-04-16 9:16:58 AM  

Glockenspiel Hero: yohohogreengiant: mkantonelli: Came here hoping to see that the Mojave Spaceport was being built. Leaving disappointed.

It makes more sense in orbital mechanics to build in Puerto Rico. You can lift more for less.

Of course... Jones Act, lol. Hard to get the shipping to deliver the parts. Trust the USA to always be its own worse enemy.

Actually, not into polar orbits like these sats will use.  Being near the equator helps with the big GEO sats, but most everything in LEO these days is going into some sort of inclined orbit where it actually hurts since you have to kill the rotational velocity of the Earth.  It's why you're seeing small launcher companies setting up in Alaska and Scotland.


Ah. Didn't catch that it would be polar. Nope wouldn't help a whole lot for this one
 
2021-04-16 9:27:16 AM  

yohohogreengiant: Uranus: "Regulators and scientists say faster, more accurate monitoring is urgently needed to accelerate greenhouse gas reductions and keep global warming from reaching catastrophic levels."

As opposed to, say, banning high-output facilities, and stimulating faster emergence of carbon-neutral or carbon-negative industries?

How do you enforce that, or even identify?

You gotta have pictures and proof before green tariffs or you are just back to Trump tariffs.


are you telling me that when a company gets registered in the USA , the local chamber of commerce hasn't a clue what they do?

and there's not a single building inspection takes place when one throws up a petro-chemical or similar high-emission plant?

And there's no enforcement of compliance to current standards?

**I admit I genuinely am asking, as I do not know. The USA continues to befuddle me in many respects.**

This information should already be known, but likely no-one is reading it. Any technology more than 20-odd years old is largely emissions-obsolete by today's standards. Set a cutoff date that you think is reasonable, and inspect away. I'd guess one could do quite some inspection for a 100-million, and easily recoup it in penalties.
 
2021-04-16 9:42:58 AM  

yohohogreengiant: California routinely acts like a nation state.

It's embarrassing that it has to.


It's called "Federalism".

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Federal​i​sm#Division_of_powers

It's a feature, not a bug.  Not an embarrassment, but in fact something to be actually proud of.  I'm willing to bet that you wouldn't like a very strong federal government to rule over the states, if that federal government is controlled by Republicans, but you'd like it if the federal government was controlled by Democrats.

The problem is, if you eventually have one party rule, you end up with totalitarian rule.   Which you probably don't want.
 
2021-04-16 9:56:48 AM  
Yeah, this is old news. From Jerry's wikipedia:

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Jerry Brown selected two frugal 1974 Plymouth Satellites from the state motor pool for his use in Northern California and Southern California. This is one of them, on display at the California Automobile Museum.
 
2021-04-16 10:12:14 AM  
...with blackjack, and hookers?
 
2021-04-16 10:18:26 AM  

FrancoFile: $100 million, and not launching for 2+ years?

Guys.  Have one of the state universities build some nanosats and send them up on a rideshare launch for $1 million or less.  Replace the satellites as you figure out better detection methods.


I was gonna say, aren't nanosats only ever launched into LEO, and they're looking for something that launches into geostationary orbit to stay over California 24 hours a day? But I guess you might still get 90% of the way there with a fleet of, I dunno, a dozen nanosats, while being much more cost efficient.
 
2021-04-16 10:26:39 AM  

Zroop: Yeah, this is old news. From Jerry's wikipedia:

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Jerry Brown selected two frugal 1974 Plymouth Satellites from the state motor pool for his use in Northern California and Southern California. This is one of them, on display at the California Automobile Museum.


US car styling in the 70s became absolutely Soviet.
 
2021-04-16 10:30:55 AM  
You used the asinine tag, submitter? The tag isn't supposed to be about YOU, it's supposed to be about the article. What if California does something positive for the environment? What on earth would you do then? Oh, I know: go f*ck yourself right back to your stupid sh*thole flyover state.

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2021-04-16 10:40:32 AM  

Uranus: "Regulators and scientists say faster, more accurate monitoring is urgently needed to accelerate greenhouse gas reductions and keep global warming from reaching catastrophic levels."

As opposed to, say, banning high-output facilities, and stimulating faster emergence of carbon-neutral or carbon-negative industries?


So no calculations about additional greenhouse gases caused by increased aluminum smelting, another heavy industry factory being built, rocket exhaust from test fires and launches; not to mention increased worker commuting and of course truck traffic for deliveries?  Like Al Gore flying around the World to tell us not to fly any more!  Enviro~hypocricy in action!
 
2021-04-16 11:10:36 AM  

yohohogreengiant: California routinely acts like a nation state.

It's embarrassing that it has to.

Kudos on Governor Moonbeam. I wonder if he still cleans his own clothes in a laundromat. Sad Gavin couldn't follow up or improve on his act.


It doesn't have to. It wants to.
 
2021-04-16 12:02:50 PM  

OldJames: yohohogreengiant: California routinely acts like a nation state.

It's embarrassing that it has to.

Kudos on Governor Moonbeam. I wonder if he still cleans his own clothes in a laundromat. Sad Gavin couldn't follow up or improve on his act.

It doesn't have to. It wants to.


It has to in order to have nice things, like an ecosystem then.
 
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