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(The Drive)   Those unidentified aerial phenomena the US military has spotted are most likely some combination of drone swarms and balloons, launched via ship or submarine to test US defenses   (thedrive.com) divider line
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2021-04-16 6:59:36 AM  
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*squints in alien*
Sure, Mr. US Government. We believe you
 
2021-04-16 7:35:07 AM  
While it has the advantage of being more likely than aliens this theory has its own issues (at least as far as the SoCal incidents).
 
2021-04-16 8:10:24 AM  
I could see balloons following non-ballistic paths if the winds are acting weird.  The US Navy lost some airships in mysterious ways that might be thus explained.
 
2021-04-16 9:01:34 AM  
UFO does not equal extra terrestrial.
 
2021-04-16 9:22:13 AM  
Oh, sure. I said the same thing in a fark thread last year and got funnied out of the place. These guys say it and all of a sudden it's a respectable theory.

/tanj
 
2021-04-16 9:54:10 AM  
Stupid article is stupid.
Yeah, sure....maybe the .mil hasn't prepared for China's drone light shows, but there's a reason for that: they pose little threat.
 
2021-04-16 10:05:28 AM  

Clash City Farker: UFO does not equal extra terrestrial.



The only descriptive terms in that acronym do no immediately imply aliens, no.   That's why we also use other characteristics to make our guesses.

Such as whether or not they seem to defy Newtonian physics.    And at least some of them seem to.
 
2021-04-16 10:21:19 AM  
It's pretty much a given that some percentage of UFO's are from intelligence assets.   Balloons, manned aircraft, and drones used for intelligence work have all been observed and not been properly recognized for what they were, or if they were, the knowledge of that was minimized or suppressed.

Heck, the Roswell Incident was literally a failed test of surveillance balloons intended to fly over the Soviet Union.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Project​_​Mogul#Roswell_incident
 
2021-04-16 10:39:16 AM  

johnny_vegas: While it has the advantage of being more likely than aliens this theory has its own issues (at least as far as the SoCal incidents).


Yea

Drones can accelerate like a bullit out of a gun and exceed 10K mph.
 
2021-04-16 10:40:26 AM  

Clash City Farker: UFO does not equal extra terrestrial.


See previous post
 
2021-04-16 10:42:15 AM  

Embden.Meyerhof: Clash City Farker: UFO does not equal extra terrestrial.


The only descriptive terms in that acronym do no immediately imply aliens, no.   That's why we also use other characteristics to make our guesses.

Such as whether or not they seem to defy Newtonian physics.    And at least some of them seem to.


Aliens are prohibited from breaking mans laws of physics
 
2021-04-16 10:42:38 AM  

dittybopper: It's pretty much a given that some percentage of UFO's are from intelligence assets.   Balloons, manned aircraft, and drones used for intelligence work have all been observed and not been properly recognized for what they were, or if they were, the knowledge of that was minimized or suppressed.

Heck, the Roswell Incident was literally a failed test of surveillance balloons intended to fly over the Soviet Union.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Project_​Mogul#Roswell_incident


Lolzz
 
2021-04-16 10:44:55 AM  

dittybopper: It's pretty much a given that some percentage of UFO's are from intelligence assets.   Balloons, manned aircraft, and drones used for intelligence work have all been observed and not been properly recognized for what they were, or if they were, the knowledge of that was minimized or suppressed.

Heck, the Roswell Incident was literally a failed test of surveillance balloons intended to fly over the Soviet Union.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Project_​Mogul#Roswell_incident


I thought it was swamp gas
 
2021-04-16 10:46:06 AM  

fastfxr: Stupid article is stupid.
Yeah, sure....maybe the .mil hasn't prepared for China's drone light shows, but there's a reason for that: they pose little threat.


Those chinese drones can really move!!
 
2021-04-16 10:46:51 AM  

Clash City Farker: UFO does not equal extra terrestrial.


Nor does it mean swamp gas either
 
2021-04-16 10:48:48 AM  

dionysusaur: I could see balloons following non-ballistic paths if the winds are acting weird.  The US Navy lost some airships in mysterious ways that might be thus explained.


I remember my first 12 pack too.
 
2021-04-16 11:04:02 AM  
The article made clear that we are talking about two different sets of events: Tic Tac like encounters and those that line up more with drone tech that is attainable even by non-state actors.  The Tic Tac now, that incident has shaken my skeptical belief system to its foundations. Unless it is part of a massive disinfo campaign, complete with pilot David Fravor retiring and continuing to tell his story in the most sober a d reserved way possible, the Tic Tac means either somebody on earth has developed propulsion and control systems only dreamt of in sci-fi, or that we are being visited and scoped out by somebody.  Maybe from elsewhere, maybe from here, in space at least, but from the future. Whatever the explanation, I have complete confidence that we, as a species, will screw it up spectacularly.
 
2021-04-16 11:08:20 AM  
Probably a package delivery ship
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2021-04-16 11:18:52 AM  
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2021-04-16 11:48:15 AM  

Linux_Yes: dittybopper: It's pretty much a given that some percentage of UFO's are from intelligence assets.   Balloons, manned aircraft, and drones used for intelligence work have all been observed and not been properly recognized for what they were, or if they were, the knowledge of that was minimized or suppressed.

Heck, the Roswell Incident was literally a failed test of surveillance balloons intended to fly over the Soviet Union.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Project_​Mogul#Roswell_incident

Lolzz


So, what you're saying is that it was Socialism?
 
2021-04-16 11:58:54 AM  

Linux_Yes: johnny_vegas: While it has the advantage of being more likely than aliens this theory has its own issues (at least as far as the SoCal incidents).

Yea

Drones can accelerate like a bullit out of a gun and exceed 10K mph.


Bullets actually start decelerating the instant they leave the barrel of a gun, and sometimes even before that, in the case of pistol bullets out of rifle-length barrels.

Also, without adequate scaling it's pretty much impossible to know if an object is close and moving relatively slowly, or far away and moving fast, and you can't really tell acceleration without knowing the precise distance and direction from you at specific times, so while it might *LOOK* like something is accelerating very quickly, it could have just maintained a steady speed and changed direction.

I know this isn't the sort of thing covered in Das Kapital, but the information is out there.
 
2021-04-16 12:01:45 PM  

dittybopper: Linux_Yes: dittybopper: It's pretty much a given that some percentage of UFO's are from intelligence assets.   Balloons, manned aircraft, and drones used for intelligence work have all been observed and not been properly recognized for what they were, or if they were, the knowledge of that was minimized or suppressed.

Heck, the Roswell Incident was literally a failed test of surveillance balloons intended to fly over the Soviet Union.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Project_​Mogul#Roswell_incident

Lolzz

So, what you're saying is that it was Socialism?


Watch The Phenomenon (2020) on your streaming platform of choice and you'll understand my laughter.
 
2021-04-16 12:03:03 PM  

dittybopper: Linux_Yes: dittybopper: It's pretty much a given that some percentage of UFO's are from intelligence assets.   Balloons, manned aircraft, and drones used for intelligence work have all been observed and not been properly recognized for what they were, or if they were, the knowledge of that was minimized or suppressed.

Heck, the Roswell Incident was literally a failed test of surveillance balloons intended to fly over the Soviet Union.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Project_​Mogul#Roswell_incident

Lolzz

So, what you're saying is that it was Socialism?


And socialism pays for our Defense.
 
2021-04-16 12:05:16 PM  

dittybopper: Linux_Yes: johnny_vegas: While it has the advantage of being more likely than aliens this theory has its own issues (at least as far as the SoCal incidents).

Yea

Drones can accelerate like a bullit out of a gun and exceed 10K mph.

Bullets actually start decelerating the instant they leave the barrel of a gun, and sometimes even before that, in the case of pistol bullets out of rifle-length barrels.

Also, without adequate scaling it's pretty much impossible to know if an object is close and moving relatively slowly, or far away and moving fast, and you can't really tell acceleration without knowing the precise distance and direction from you at specific times, so while it might *LOOK* like something is accelerating very quickly, it could have just maintained a steady speed and changed direction.

I know this isn't the sort of thing covered in Das Kapital, but the information is out there.


Ohhhhh

So thats why military radar has clocked these things going up to 12K mph.

It makes so much more sense now.

Thank you Mr. man
 
2021-04-16 12:08:04 PM  

dittybopper: Linux_Yes: johnny_vegas: While it has the advantage of being more likely than aliens this theory has its own issues (at least as far as the SoCal incidents).

Yea

Drones can accelerate like a bullit out of a gun and exceed 10K mph.

Bullets actually start decelerating the instant they leave the barrel of a gun, and sometimes even before that, in the case of pistol bullets out of rifle-length barrels.

Also, without adequate scaling it's pretty much impossible to know if an object is close and moving relatively slowly, or far away and moving fast, and you can't really tell acceleration without knowing the precise distance and direction from you at specific times, so while it might *LOOK* like something is accelerating very quickly, it could have just maintained a steady speed and changed direction.

I know this isn't the sort of thing covered in Das Kapital, but the information is out there.


And fighter pilots say theve never seen anything move like these things.

Whew i finally can rest in the knowledge the Fark has blessed me with.
 
2021-04-16 12:12:58 PM  

fastfxr: Stupid article is stupid.
Yeah, sure....maybe the .mil hasn't prepared for China's drone light shows, but there's a reason for that: they pose little threat.


Farkers on the other hand do pose a threat by not applying logic, reason, and facts.

The ufos are everything except probes from other civilizations from other solar systems.

Often times in life, the simplist and most obvious explanation is the correct one.
 
2021-04-16 12:15:15 PM  
Murcans believe in an old man in the sky but ufos from other star systems confound them.

Tisk
Tisk
 
2021-04-16 12:16:55 PM  

dittybopper: Linux_Yes: johnny_vegas: While it has the advantage of being more likely than aliens this theory has its own issues (at least as far as the SoCal incidents).

Yea

Drones can accelerate like a bullit out of a gun and exceed 10K mph.

Bullets actually start decelerating the instant they leave the barrel of a gun, and sometimes even before that, in the case of pistol bullets out of rifle-length barrels.

Also, without adequate scaling it's pretty much impossible to know if an object is close and moving relatively slowly, or far away and moving fast, and you can't really tell acceleration without knowing the precise distance and direction from you at specific times, so while it might *LOOK* like something is accelerating very quickly, it could have just maintained a steady speed and changed direction.

I know this isn't the sort of thing covered in Das Kapital, but the information is out there.


Nein

Its Das Capital (sic)

And its loaded with Democracy.
 
2021-04-16 1:49:37 PM  

Linux_Yes: dittybopper: Linux_Yes: dittybopper: It's pretty much a given that some percentage of UFO's are from intelligence assets.   Balloons, manned aircraft, and drones used for intelligence work have all been observed and not been properly recognized for what they were, or if they were, the knowledge of that was minimized or suppressed.

Heck, the Roswell Incident was literally a failed test of surveillance balloons intended to fly over the Soviet Union.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Project_​Mogul#Roswell_incident

Lolzz

So, what you're saying is that it was Socialism?

Watch The Phenomenon (2020) on your streaming platform of choice and you'll understand my laughter.


Yeah, because UFOlogists are known for their skeptical, rational thought.

Might as well listen to Bob Lazar.

Listen, I could regale you with tales of UFO's from a top secret facility I once worked at, and I could back it up with someone else:

https://issuu.com/frank582/docs/edwar​d​_keith_abbott-2

But it would all be bullshiat.  No extraterrestrials, no listening to extraterrestrials, just normal, boring (but top secret) signals intelligence work went on there.

That guy I linked to?  A crackpot.   And I'm willing to bet the same is true for the people in The Phenomenon.


Look, I know this is your particular opiate.  You *REALLY* want to believe.   I get it.  I used to like reading about UFOs, the Bermuda Triangle, Ancient Astronauts, and cryptids like Bigfoot, the Loch Ness Monster, and the Yeti.  But when you really start digging into the individual sightings and incidents, they are *VERY* often either simple misinterpretations, or quite often, intentional distortions of what happened by people motivated by sell something.

So my suggestion to you is to go back and watch some old "Scooby Doo, Where Are You!" episodes, especially the "Spooky Space Kook" and "A Creepy Tangle in the Bermuda Triangle".  But watch the other ones too.

Then, when you grasp the message of the series, we'll talk.

Fair enough?
 
2021-04-16 2:40:11 PM  
With the speed of light being a universal constant and the vast distances in space between stars so great, the likelihood of interstellar travel is almost zero. You have to really understand astronomy and physics before your brain can begin to comprehend this fact.
 
2021-04-16 3:25:53 PM  
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2021-04-16 4:58:40 PM  

Sexy Jesus: The article made clear that we are talking about two different sets of events: Tic Tac like encounters and those that line up more with drone tech that is attainable even by non-state actors.  The Tic Tac now, that incident has shaken my skeptical belief system to its foundations. Unless it is part of a massive disinfo campaign, complete with pilot David Fravor retiring and continuing to tell his story in the most sober a d reserved way possible, the Tic Tac means either somebody on earth has developed propulsion and control systems only dreamt of in sci-fi, or that we are being visited and scoped out by somebody.  Maybe from elsewhere, maybe from here, in space at least, but from the future. Whatever the explanation, I have complete confidence that we, as a species, will screw it up spectacularly.


Eh, since they were scoping out a military flotilla with a new radar system, it's almost certainly locals. Aliens wouldn't care much about our military maneuvers.

Honestly, I expect it's new drone tech being tested by the US itself... testing both the new drone tech and the new radar systems.
 
2021-04-17 12:29:55 AM  
 
2021-04-17 1:03:03 AM  

Callous: https://americanmilitarynews.com/2021​/​04/pentagon-confirms-video-of-pyramid-​ufo-stalking-us-warship-is-real/


Yes the video is real but no one is saying it's aliens....
 
2021-04-17 2:00:35 AM  

Linux_Yes: dittybopper: It's pretty much a given that some percentage of UFO's are from intelligence assets.   Balloons, manned aircraft, and drones used for intelligence work have all been observed and not been properly recognized for what they were, or if they were, the knowledge of that was minimized or suppressed.

Heck, the Roswell Incident was literally a failed test of surveillance balloons intended to fly over the Soviet Union.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Project_​Mogul#Roswell_incident

I thought it was swamp gas


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