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(ZDNet)   Australia makes a play for control of the Antarctic   (zdnet.com) divider line
    More: Interesting, Communications satellite, Australia, Satellite, Antarctica, Southern Ocean, Optical fiber, Australian Bureau of Meteorology, satellite connections  
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1100 clicks; posted to Politics » on 15 Apr 2021 at 10:32 PM (3 weeks ago)   |   Favorite    |   share:  Share on Twitter share via Email Share on Facebook



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2021-04-15 10:38:49 PM  
They should really just wait for Starlink.
 
2021-04-15 10:42:15 PM  
The number of people down there is so small, I would think improving wireless and satellite communications would be a better expenditure of resources.
 
2021-04-15 10:49:54 PM  
The Elder Things barely survived Antarctica.  What chance do they have against Australia?
 
2021-04-15 10:57:01 PM  
I've been begging the US antarctic program to get a sub sea cable connection to McMurdo for years.  Admittedly improving the satellite comms would also be a good thing, but all around the infrastructure in US bases needs to be fixed up.
 
2021-04-15 11:01:24 PM  
A single school needs over 1 Gb of bandwidth, on a satellite with less than 200 Gb available.
 
2021-04-15 11:01:46 PM  

leehouse: I've been begging the US antarctic program to get a sub sea cable connection to McMurdo for years.  Admittedly improving the satellite comms would also be a good thing, but all around the infrastructure in US bases needs to be fixed up.


The streaming rates for porn must be terrible.
 
2021-04-15 11:02:07 PM  

Summoner101: The Elder Things barely survived Antarctica.  What chance do they have against Australia?


good point!

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also, I thought the Land of Chocolate only wanted to buy Greenland?
 
2021-04-15 11:03:50 PM  
Greater Southland
 
2021-04-15 11:05:07 PM  

leehouse: I've been begging the US antarctic program to get a sub sea cable connection to McMurdo for years.  Admittedly improving the satellite comms would also be a good thing, but all around the infrastructure in US bases needs to be fixed up.


So you can read more of this?
 
2021-04-15 11:12:42 PM  

Summoner101: leehouse: I've been begging the US antarctic program to get a sub sea cable connection to McMurdo for years.  Admittedly improving the satellite comms would also be a good thing, but all around the infrastructure in US bases needs to be fixed up.

The streaming rates for porn must be terrible.


oh, dear lord. when I was in charge of telecomms at the Oceanographic, all the ships used HiSeasNet. the farking throughput on that farking thing is farking horrendous. and the latency is really the true biatch. (they did also have access to Iridium (or, whoever bought them up on the cheap) - but no scientician wants the crazy per-minute costs taken out of their grant money)

but then guess what happens when the entire crew is either:
- (a.) watching pr0n
- (2.) watching soccer matches
- (vi.) probably both

/huh, link ent want to work
//fine, here
///https://hiseasnet.ucsd.edu/
 
2021-04-15 11:19:04 PM  
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2021-04-15 11:24:20 PM  
Meme wile intocksicated down't
 
2021-04-15 11:59:23 PM  
Hey, if Russia is trying to take the Arctic from Canada, why can't Austria have the Antarctic? They're not that close, but if they want to go all the way down there, that's their choice.
 
2021-04-16 12:06:43 AM  

tintar: Summoner101: leehouse: I've been begging the US antarctic program to get a sub sea cable connection to McMurdo for years.  Admittedly improving the satellite comms would also be a good thing, but all around the infrastructure in US bases needs to be fixed up.

The streaming rates for porn must be terrible.

oh, dear lord. when I was in charge of telecomms at the Oceanographic, all the ships used HiSeasNet. the farking throughput on that farking thing is farking horrendous. and the latency is really the true biatch. (they did also have access to Iridium (or, whoever bought them up on the cheap) - but no scientician wants the crazy per-minute costs taken out of their grant money)

but then guess what happens when the entire crew is either:
- (a.) watching pr0n
- (2.) watching soccer matches
- (vi.) probably both

/huh, link ent want to work
//fine, here
///https://hiseasnet.ucsd.edu/


Depending on the grant NSF might have access to the DoD rates for Iridium making it MUCH cheaper, but I'm sure that is being renegotiated soon cause a bunch of people realized how good a deal it was.

But yeah, McMurdo has what amounts to a DSL connection for a single house from ~5-10 years ago for 800-1200 people.  Then consider that they have to chop a good percent of the throughput off the top for mission critical data transfers.  The idea of streaming anything is painful.  I just want better throughput for transferring data.

Hell, I still remember when a friend of mine who worked in the IT group updated our servers and ate up something like 75% of the bandwidth for the station at what he thought was 2AM (it was 2PM).
 
2021-04-16 12:21:34 AM  
They really want to save those crazy Swedes
 
2021-04-16 12:55:40 AM  

leehouse: I've been begging the US antarctic program to get a sub sea cable connection to McMurdo for years.  Admittedly improving the satellite comms would also be a good thing, but all around the infrastructure in US bases needs to be fixed up.


I imagine that's another thing (like DARPA) that got farked over thanks to the budget "sequestration" years ago that never recovered.
 
2021-04-16 1:01:21 AM  
Yeah that's right. Australia's making a play. You want some of that sweet ice station action, you got to pay. If not, we'll deploy our koala riding kangaroos who will toss boomerangs at you until you surrender. Australia plays for keeps.
 
2021-04-16 1:22:11 AM  

leehouse: tintar: Summoner101: leehouse: I've been begging the US antarctic program to get a sub sea cable connection to McMurdo for years.  Admittedly improving the satellite comms would also be a good thing, but all around the infrastructure in US bases needs to be fixed up.

The streaming rates for porn must be terrible.

oh, dear lord. when I was in charge of telecomms at the Oceanographic, all the ships used HiSeasNet. the farking throughput on that farking thing is farking horrendous. and the latency is really the true biatch. (they did also have access to Iridium (or, whoever bought them up on the cheap) - but no scientician wants the crazy per-minute costs taken out of their grant money)

but then guess what happens when the entire crew is either:
- (a.) watching pr0n
- (2.) watching soccer matches
- (vi.) probably both

/huh, link ent want to work
//fine, here
///https://hiseasnet.ucsd.edu/

Depending on the grant NSF might have access to the DoD rates for Iridium making it MUCH cheaper, but I'm sure that is being renegotiated soon cause a bunch of people realized how good a deal it was.

But yeah, McMurdo has what amounts to a DSL connection for a single house from ~5-10 years ago for 800-1200 people.  Then consider that they have to chop a good percent of the throughput off the top for mission critical data transfers.  The idea of streaming anything is painful.  I just want better throughput for transferring data.

Hell, I still remember when a friend of mine who worked in the IT group updated our servers and ate up something like 75% of the bandwidth for the station at what he thought was 2AM (it was 2PM).


almost-but-not-quite had the chance to visit McMurdo a few years ago. prolly for the best, all they really do down there is distill illicit vodak and have sex-orgies. wait, I'm such an idiot!

I actually still have the Global*Star/Qualcomm I'd bought for myself years ago, and it costs like maybe 40/mo for a decent amount of traffic. I always keep thinking they'd bought up a number of Iridium satellites, but no they use a different bent-pipe system.

(not exactly a meme per se, I only made it to mock a fellow telecomms friend)

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oh here, this is the way you always see it in lawnorder/ncis/etc.

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fun fact: the thing CANNOT TAKE CALLS. (well, theoretically. EXCEPT NO.)

or, here - my previous rant on the subject:

these phones do not ring. they don't ring. you don't leave a phone like this turned on. power-off is the default state. antenna-stowed is also the default state. you are not going to get an important unexpected incoming call (I mean most-obvs.-modulo-yes if you are actually expecting a time-sensitive call and have the thing turned on with antenna extended) randomly from inside a suitcase you didn't know there was a satellite phone inside of it.
 
2021-04-16 2:25:50 AM  

leehouse: But yeah, McMurdo has what amounts to a DSL connection for a single house from ~5-10 years ago for 800-1200 people.  Then consider that they have to chop a good percent of the throughput off the top for mission critical data transfers.  The idea of streaming anything is painful.  I just want better throughput for transferring data.


There's a Santiago-Auckland-Sydney cable planned and there's some talk of a spur to Scott Base and McMurdo, but the circumpolar current is very strong. So who knows if it will happen.
 
2021-04-16 2:55:03 AM  
I can't see it getting more than one army per turn, though - and does it connect to South America?

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2021-04-16 7:23:11 AM  
Man, if you thought rooting out the asshole who's been fortifying Australia for the last 8 turns was a PITA, imagine having to repeat that in Antarctica.
 
2021-04-16 7:48:23 AM  

GreatGlavinsGhost: Hey, if Russia is trying to take the Arctic from Canada, why can't Austria have the Antarctic? They're not that close, but if they want to go all the way down there, that's their choice.


Russia can't take something from Canada that belongs to Denmark.

Anyways, they have really shiatty internet in Greenland as well. With the Greenlandic home rule it also means that they have to pay for stuff.

So the cable they were supposed to get connected to stopped in the Faroic Islands.

Later the home rule decided that all of the official settlements should have equal services. Which is great until you realised you wouldn't be offered better internet in the capital than what is possible in Scoresbysund.

It's fun to browse the internet options there anyway.

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2021-04-16 10:06:35 AM  

Medic Zero: leehouse: I've been begging the US antarctic program to get a sub sea cable connection to McMurdo for years.  Admittedly improving the satellite comms would also be a good thing, but all around the infrastructure in US bases needs to be fixed up.

I imagine that's another thing (like DARPA) that got farked over thanks to the budget "sequestration" years ago that never recovered.


Not really, the investment in infrastructure has been largely ignored for years prior to the budget sequestration, there were some projects to build new stuff over the years but the back bone infrastructure has been ignored.  Sequestration probably didn't help.  They finally insisted on a expert panel to recommend what to do and they basically said, "actually fix the entire infrastructure that has been slowly falling apart for decades, and is now held together with duct tape".  Those panels didn't really touch on connectivity or comms all that much if I recall aside from saying it needed improvement.  There were separate discussions about those things to give recommendations.
 
2021-04-16 2:10:53 PM  

leehouse: Medic Zero: leehouse: I've been begging the US antarctic program to get a sub sea cable connection to McMurdo for years.  Admittedly improving the satellite comms would also be a good thing, but all around the infrastructure in US bases needs to be fixed up.

I imagine that's another thing (like DARPA) that got farked over thanks to the budget "sequestration" years ago that never recovered.

Not really, the investment in infrastructure has been largely ignored for years prior to the budget sequestration, there were some projects to build new stuff over the years but the back bone infrastructure has been ignored.  Sequestration probably didn't help.  They finally insisted on a expert panel to recommend what to do and they basically said, "actually fix the entire infrastructure that has been slowly falling apart for decades, and is now held together with duct tape".  Those panels didn't really touch on connectivity or comms all that much if I recall aside from saying it needed improvement.  There were separate discussions about those things to give recommendations.


really a shame my former boss is now long-retired, he almost singlehandedly shoved this thing through - right of way issues over bridges and railroads, lighting up dark-fiber, ensuring backhauls for local fire/police/EMT radio systems, personally choosing the specific fiber switches and tech, getting microwave links when needed, bonded-ethernet in other cases.

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