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(Washington Post)   Republicans will not give up the derp until they're crushed repeatedly at the ballot box   (washingtonpost.com) divider line
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2021-04-14 8:43:50 PM  
Keep voting against Republicans, people. The GOP has evolved into the American Independent Party. Because they support segregation now; segregation tomorrow; segregation forever.*

/*Includes all people of color, beliefs other that fundamentalist Christianity; those who identify as LGBTQ. 🤬
 
2021-04-14 9:09:14 PM  
As long as they believe voter suppression + white supremacy >= 51% they will never moderate their position. It's a straight political calculation.
 
2021-04-14 9:14:52 PM  

Paul Baumer: As long as they believe voter suppression + white supremacy >= 51% they will never moderate their position. It's a straight political calculation.


Actually, as long as that number is greater than about 40-45% with gerrymandering and the Senate structure.
 
2021-04-14 11:14:21 PM  
Never underestimate the derpitude of the average American.
 
2021-04-14 11:16:14 PM  

Yeast No 7: Never underestimate the derpitude malevolence of the average American.

 
2021-04-14 11:16:31 PM  
Rally that base at all costs!
Damn the DerpPedos!
 
2021-04-14 11:16:37 PM  
The more they get crushed at the ballot box the more they'll move away from democracy to stay in power.
 
2021-04-14 11:17:20 PM  

Paul Baumer: As long as they believe voter suppression + white supremacy >= 51% they will never moderate their position. It's a straight political calculation.


They don't even think that long term.  It's "as long as I get past the primaries, I'll worry about the voter suppression and fascism to hold my position later".

I think the most likely outcome is the GOP shrinks in popularity as it goes further off the deep end chasing Republican supporters for the primary votes, until it no longer has enough votes to make it through the actual elections despite the voter suppression and gerrymandering.  Then it becomes a fringe party full of loons while the merely 'racist greedy assholes' start a new right-wing party because they can't win the GOP back.

At least, that's how I'd hope it turns out.
 
2021-04-14 11:20:05 PM  

Unsung_Hero: Paul Baumer: As long as they believe voter suppression + white supremacy >= 51% they will never moderate their position. It's a straight political calculation.

They don't even think that long term.  It's "as long as I get past the primaries, I'll worry about the voter suppression and fascism to hold my position later".

I think the most likely outcome is the GOP shrinks in popularity as it goes further off the deep end chasing Republican supporters for the primary votes, until it no longer has enough votes to make it through the actual elections despite the voter suppression and gerrymandering.  Then it becomes a fringe party full of loons while the merely 'racist greedy assholes' start a new right-wing party because they can't win the GOP back.

At least, that's how I'd hope it turns out.


e.g., the nationwide GOP going the way of the state GOP parties of VA and CO.
 
2021-04-14 11:20:13 PM  
They will never be crushed.

In some places. In some states. Maybe in the Presidential popular vote.

But not where it matters.
 
2021-04-14 11:22:12 PM  
If they act anything remotely like their ideological mirrors, not even crushing them at the ballot box will change their propensity for derp.

That's the problem with extremist true believers. If you could reason with them, they wouldn't be what they are.
 
2021-04-14 11:24:14 PM  
You can't get the squishy shiat out of the cake. It's baked in.
 
2021-04-14 11:30:01 PM  
What we really need are better integrated communities that are more resistant to gerrymandering. Unfortunately for that to happen some suburban upscale enclaves need to be bulldozed and replaced with homes affordable by those earning a median income. I have not a clue how that could possibly happen and I suppose no one else does either.
 
2021-04-14 11:31:13 PM  

fragMasterFlash: What we really need are better integrated communities that are more resistant to gerrymandering. Unfortunately for that to happen some suburban upscale enclaves need to be bulldozed and replaced with homes affordable by those earning a median income. I have not a clue how that could possibly happen and I suppose no one else does either.


Arson?
 
2021-04-14 11:31:31 PM  
RIP Left-Eye from TLC...
 
2021-04-14 11:33:08 PM  

puffy999: fragMasterFlash: What we really need are better integrated communities that are more resistant to gerrymandering. Unfortunately for that to happen some suburban upscale enclaves need to be bulldozed and replaced with homes affordable by those earning a median income. I have not a clue how that could possibly happen and I suppose no one else does either.

Arson?


I think the key is to move people around. But we have to make it less brutal than previous iterations.

Whaddaya say we propose county wide pub crawls... whereever you pass out that's the street you live on now... every time you call a cab it rolls a die to figure out which bar to take you to next

Mandatory participation

The trail of beers
 
2021-04-14 11:38:20 PM  
They've lost the House, Senate, and the Presidency. Although not decisively, which is the problem. They need to be crushed in at least 2 more cycles, in congress and presidency, before they may begin to move towards sanity.

The electorate has the memory of a guppy, so I don't have high hopes of that happening.
 
2021-04-14 11:40:11 PM  
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2021-04-14 11:41:14 PM  

RadiomanATL: The electorate has the memory of a guppy, so I don't have high hopes of that happening.


A disturbingly large portion of the electorate is on-board the crazy/racist/fascism train.  Enough that they feel like they're the majority and it's the rest of us who are the fringe nutters.

They don't vote GOP because they forgot what the GOP did last time, they vote GOP because they want what the GOP promises and they never figured out the promises were lies in the first place.
 
2021-04-14 11:42:37 PM  

blastoh: Paul Baumer: As long as they believe voter suppression + white supremacy >= 51% they will never moderate their position. It's a straight political calculation.

Actually, as long as that number is greater than about 40-45% with gerrymandering and the Senate structure.


Yup they gave up on 51% years ago. Now they only care about >270
 
2021-04-14 11:56:42 PM  
Not all everyone who votes republican is a racist Nazi, but every last one of them has decided that their elected officials being racist Nazi's is not a dealbreaker
 
2021-04-15 12:05:56 AM  

Excelsior: Not all everyone who votes republican is a racist Nazi, but every last one of them has decided that their elected officials being racist Nazi's is not a dealbreaker


Which decision makes them racist nazis.
 
2021-04-15 12:07:23 AM  
Please proceed, Governors
 
2021-04-15 12:08:51 AM  

Boo_Guy: The more they get crushed at the ballot box the more they'll move away from democracy to stay in power.


The more they get crushed at the ballot box the fewer levers of power they have to accomplish that
 
2021-04-15 12:10:48 AM  
Why is every Washington Post like here a click bait opinion piece? Once upon a time they were respected newspaper.
 
2021-04-15 12:38:28 AM  
They will never answer to democracy; they will instead turn increasingly authoritarian, rebellious, and violent. They are rabid dogs backed into a corner.

Democracy is what they've been fighting since democracy freed the slaves, put down the Confederacy, and continues to threaten Slavery Lite in corporate America.
 
2021-04-15 12:39:31 AM  
So it's a self-solving problem?
 
2021-04-15 12:41:57 AM  
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2021-04-15 12:43:08 AM  

UndeadPoetsSociety: Excelsior: Not all everyone who votes republican is a racist Nazi, but every last one of them has decided that their elected officials being racist Nazi's is not a dealbreaker

Which decision makes them racist nazis.



Systemic voter suppression, open class warfare, "very fine people on both sides", ad infinitum.

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2021-04-15 12:44:16 AM  

Paul Baumer: As long as they believe voter suppression + white supremacy >= 51% they will never moderate their position. It's a straight political calculation.


It's not even that. It's that the gerrymandered conservatives have calculated that they need to embrace the derp to avoid a primary from the right. They no longer even are trying to get majorities in the House per se.
 
2021-04-15 1:02:05 AM  
The ballot box won't help. As pointed out repeatedly in this thread, Republicans have corrupted it almost beyond all meaning, and certainly beyond all hope of votes alone tearing power from the Republicans' hands.

The entire party needs to be treated like the criminal organization that it is. Arrest the lot, prosecute them for, at minimum, various corruption-related charges (God knows they aren't exactly subtle about being corrupt), then seize their assets and throw their asses in prison.

Hell, at bare farking minimum, we need to nuke the filibuster and ram the John Lewis voting rights bill through, as well as other efforts to undo the GQP's corruption of the democratic process. Even the Deep South could potentially turn blue if the Republicans' corruption and suppression efforts were neutered.

When fascists get established to the extent that the GQP are, it takes drastic action to get rid of them. The Democrats need to go scorched earth on the Republican Party's ass, before it gets to the point where the people have to do it themselves.
 
2021-04-15 1:02:43 AM  
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2021-04-15 1:07:00 AM  

Unsung_Hero: RadiomanATL: The electorate has the memory of a guppy, so I don't have high hopes of that happening.

A disturbingly large portion of the electorate is on-board the crazy/racist/fascism train.  Enough that they feel like they're the majority and it's the rest of us who are the fringe nutters.

They don't vote GOP because they forgot what the GOP did last time, they vote GOP because they want what the GOP promises and they never figured out the promises were lies in the first place.


Me, I think it's become more of a team sport dynamic layered on top of "economic anxiety" (narrator: "he means racism").

They want their team to win so they can gloat, and if that makes it OK to be racist out in the open again?  GRAVY.

Tuber illegal understood it and COASTED to a win.
 
2021-04-15 1:23:28 AM  

wesmon: Why is every Washington Post like here a click bait opinion piece? Once upon a time they were respected newspaper.


So was Rolling Stone magazine, before it got bought out by a Trumper with a cash infusion by Sultan Bonesaws in Sicko Arabia.
 
2021-04-15 1:46:27 AM  

mathamagical: blastoh: Paul Baumer: As long as they believe voter suppression + white supremacy >= 51% they will never moderate their position. It's a straight political calculation.

Actually, as long as that number is greater than about 40-45% with gerrymandering and the Senate structure.

Yup they gave up on 51% years ago. Now they only care about >270


... and they don't care if they have to steal that 270+, or kill to get it.
 
2021-04-15 1:47:44 AM  

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That's an insult to jock itch.
 
2021-04-15 1:55:30 AM  

puffy999: They will never be crushed.

In some places. In some states. Maybe in the Presidential popular vote.

But not where it matters.


In the 'nads?
 
2021-04-15 2:02:01 AM  
To add to that, while it may seem counter-intuitive and downright gross to many, consider registering Republican if you live in a closed primary state. I have so far never voted for the winning R in any race here, but I always make sure to at least vote in the Republican primary for the least openly-crazy/hateful candidate.

Though it has so far proven unsuccessful because I am vastly outnumbered by people who seem to like the crazy/hateful candidates so long as they mention guns and God enough times, and my mailbox is regularly bombarded with things I'd rather never see, I have at least some marginal chance to push the party in a more reasonable direction, and if more people take my path, then perhaps we can right this capsized vessel, or at least make it less loudly fetid.
 
2021-04-15 2:35:46 AM  
I remember how Clinton and Obama had to give up their own particular form of derp after the first midterm election s after their inauguration. And make no doubt, Dems are going to be crushed in 2022 if the elections are held fairly.
 
2021-04-15 2:37:55 AM  

Nicholas D. Wolfwood: mathamagical: blastoh: Paul Baumer: As long as they believe voter suppression + white supremacy >= 51% they will never moderate their position. It's a straight political calculation.

Actually, as long as that number is greater than about 40-45% with gerrymandering and the Senate structure.

Yup they gave up on 51% years ago. Now they only care about >270

... and they don't care if they have to steal that 270+, or kill to get it.


Ahh, I don't think anyone is claiming the 270+ was stolen by Republicans in 2020. I think the general consensus it was the other way
 
2021-04-15 4:08:07 AM  
#PermanentRepublicanMinority
 
2021-04-15 8:20:14 AM  
Oh, a few will keep at it, just for the grift. And that's what it comes down to. There's money to be made pandering to the mentally challenged and mean spirited.
 
2021-04-15 10:38:17 AM  
Voted democrat across the board last year.  I had never voted for a democrat before.  I will continue to do so until either the GOP is gone or another party that can beat them arises.
 
2021-04-15 11:08:37 AM  
I think we should rather crush the Republicans with one of those car presses like they got in junkyards.
 
2021-04-15 11:25:29 AM  

LordJiro: The ballot box won't help. As pointed out repeatedly in this thread, Republicans have corrupted it almost beyond all meaning, and certainly beyond all hope of votes alone tearing power from the Republicans' hands.


The ability for it to help seems more fundamentally limited by the number of people who do not recognize that Republican policies are more harmful than Democratic policies, to them personally and to the country as a whole. Even without the effects of ballot box shenanigans, Republicans will not be crushed repeatedly at the ballot box until sufficient numbers of the unrecognizing learn or die.


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