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(Yahoo)   How is it that good news can still piss you off? Read how a black officer got fired for assaulting a white officer in defense of a handcuffed assailant, while that same white officer got promoted to lieutenant. Many tags involved, but hero suffices   (yahoo.com) divider line
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2021-04-14 7:20:27 PM  
Good apple pays the price?
 
2021-04-14 7:22:09 PM  
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/got nuthin
 
2021-04-14 7:22:25 PM  
Make it PUBLIC. It's the only chance for justice.
 
2021-04-14 7:23:27 PM  
And this is why we say all cops are bad. They institutionally weed out the good ones.
 
2021-04-14 7:23:28 PM  
I wonder why more good cops don't step up and do the right thing, she wondered.
 
2021-04-14 7:23:50 PM  
He sued her for defamation and won a $65,000 judgment against her.

Yet people who have never known hardship keep telling us to have faith in the justice system.
 
2021-04-14 7:23:53 PM  
To add insult to injury, the black officer only had two weeks left to retirement.
 
2021-04-14 7:25:23 PM  
ACAB
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A
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2021-04-14 7:25:35 PM  
Not only that, but he later sued her and her lawyer for defamation of character.  Then a few years later that same cop was sentenced to prison time for roughing up some teenagers.

/ free guesses as to the race of the aforementioned teens
 
2021-04-14 7:26:32 PM  
NACAB? MCAB?

/I won't insult your intelligence by explaining the acronyms.
 
2021-04-14 7:27:54 PM  
Is the City of Buffalo going to stroke her a check for every day of pay she lost since May 2008? And factor in raises, possible promotions, and then recalculate her pension to offer her an immediate retirement?
 
2021-04-14 7:29:42 PM  
The devil protects his own.
 
2021-04-14 7:30:18 PM  
You know, I could launch into the same screed about social injustice against women and minorities and the double standards of law enforcement thinking they are above the law and in-department bureaucracy that shames anything in a John Grisham novel and the oh so wonderful "nothing's going to change and no one's going to do anything about it."

Then I think by the time I submit this message, ten or twelve of you would have already done just that, as if you already have pre-generated "outrage" responses prebuilt into your phones.

Looks like the joke's on me again.
 
2021-04-14 7:31:25 PM  

mrmopar5287: Is the City of Buffalo going to stroke her a check for every day of pay she lost since May 2008? And factor in raises, possible promotions, and then recalculate her pension to offer her an immediate retirement?


I certainly hope so.  I hope city hall has to have a rummage sale to pay for it.
 
2021-04-14 7:33:43 PM  

mrmopar5287: of Buffalo going to stroke her a check for ev


I did read that includes backpay
 
2021-04-14 7:33:50 PM  

mrparks: NACAB? MCAB?

/I won't insult your intelligence by explaining the acronyms.


What do you have against Native American and Maori cops?

/s
 
2021-04-14 7:39:21 PM  

UltimaCS: He sued her for defamation and won a $65,000 judgment against her.

Yet people who have never known hardship keep telling us to have faith in the justice system.


She needs to countersue Kwiatkowski and reverse that judgment and recover anything she has paid him.
 
2021-04-14 7:41:21 PM  

omnimancer28: And this is why we say all cops are bad. They institutionally weed out the good ones.


Serpico really drove that home for me.
 
2021-04-14 7:45:41 PM  

notsurewhy: I did read that includes backpay


Back pay to the 20-year mark of her career (eligible for a pension at whatever the minimum retirement age is)? Or back pay as if she was never fired, so back pay to now and she gets to show up next Monday to be back at work (with whatever refresher training is necessary)?
 
2021-04-14 7:49:01 PM  

OgreMagi: mrmopar5287: Is the City of Buffalo going to stroke her a check for every day of pay she lost since May 2008? And factor in raises, possible promotions, and then recalculate her pension to offer her an immediate retirement?

I certainly hope so.  I hope city hall has to have a rummage sale to pay for it.


Well they already sold off anything resembling an NHL-caliber hockey team
 
2021-04-14 7:49:50 PM  

mrmopar5287: notsurewhy: I did read that includes backpay

Back pay to the 20-year mark of her career (eligible for a pension at whatever the minimum retirement age is)? Or back pay as if she was never fired, so back pay to now and she gets to show up next Monday to be back at work (with whatever refresher training is necessary)?


No one in their right mind would go back to that job.  She'd have a target painted on her back.  With the addition to her work history she is eligible for retirement.  If she's smart, she'll take it.
 
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2021-04-14 7:51:16 PM  
She was reinstated with back pay and benefits.  She had to fight for it and that's not right.  Thus is another one that separates the RTFA folks from the "post based on the headline" folks.
 
2021-04-14 7:51:30 PM  
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Did she scream "DON'T MOVE DIRTBAG!!!" ?
 
2021-04-14 7:55:00 PM  

mrmopar5287: notsurewhy: I did read that includes backpay

Back pay to the 20-year mark of her career (eligible for a pension at whatever the minimum retirement age is)? Or back pay as if she was never fired, so back pay to now and she gets to show up next Monday to be back at work (with whatever refresher training is necessary)?


That was my first thought.  Back pay for how long.  If to the 20 year mark, did she get back pension too.

It's been 15 years since the incident, that would be a hell of a lot of money.
 
2021-04-14 7:55:13 PM  

mrmopar5287: notsurewhy: I did read that includes backpay

Back pay to the 20-year mark of her career (eligible for a pension at whatever the minimum retirement age is)? Or back pay as if she was never fired, so back pay to now and she gets to show up next Monday to be back at work (with whatever refresher training is necessary)?


"The judge found that [Cariol] Horne would have been physically capable of performing her duties and reinstated her as a police officer for the City of Buffalo for the period of July 2008 through August 2010.

"The judge said Horne is entitled to back wages and benefits for that period, and the city is directed to make any required pension contributions for that period of time."

Also "Back in September 2020, Buffalo Common Council passed what was originally known as "Cariol's Law," which requires officers to step in and stop their colleagues from using excessive force."

Link
 
2021-04-14 7:56:07 PM  

OgreMagi: No one in their right mind would go back to that job.


It would be an opportunity to go back into that career as a trainer. To train people the proper way to do things, to have ethics about what you do, to have empathy in what you do on the job, etc.

OgreMagi: She'd have a target painted on her back.


Hah, she's got the ultimate protection at the job: She's the black woman they fired for BS reasons that never should have happened, and she's now reinstated. If they fired her for anything, it would be retaliation and open them up to more problems. To be fired she would have to be drunk at work, in uniform, waving a loaded gun around at people, sexually assaulting a child on video, and just not have enough sick time to take the rest of the day off.
 
2021-04-14 7:56:27 PM  

LurkerSupreme: mrparks: NACAB? MCAB?

/I won't insult your intelligence by explaining the acronyms.

What do you have against Native American and Maori cops?

/s


Too be honest, most perps would probably stop resisting if a Maori cop started doing a haka at them.

Worked in battle, would probably work against the average person.
 
2021-04-14 7:56:51 PM  
A cop in New York retiring on a pension that's not padded to the skies with overtime and sketchy disability claims?

There's a first for everything.
 
2021-04-14 8:00:15 PM  

mrmopar5287: OgreMagi: No one in their right mind would go back to that job.

It would be an opportunity to go back into that career as a trainer. To train people the proper way to do things, to have ethics about what you do, to have empathy in what you do on the job, etc.

OgreMagi: She'd have a target painted on her back.

Hah, she's got the ultimate protection at the job: She's the black woman they fired for BS reasons that never should have happened, and she's now reinstated. If they fired her for anything, it would be retaliation and open them up to more problems. To be fired she would have to be drunk at work, in uniform, waving a loaded gun around at people, sexually assaulting a child on video, and just not have enough sick time to take the rest of the day off.


No.

SHE WOULD HAVE A TARGET ON HER BACK.

/See also: Serpico and the headshot.
 
2021-04-14 8:00:26 PM  
Only 2 of the last 8 threads are covid/hate police topics.Slipping
 
2021-04-14 8:01:12 PM  

LurkerSupreme: mrparks: NACAB? MCAB?

/I won't insult your intelligence by explaining the acronyms.

What do you have against Native American and Maori cops?

/s


Dude, do NOT fark with reservation police.
 
2021-04-14 8:01:54 PM  

mrmopar5287: OgreMagi: No one in their right mind would go back to that job.

It would be an opportunity to go back into that career as a trainer. To train people the proper way to do things, to have ethics about what you do, to have empathy in what you do on the job, etc.

OgreMagi: She'd have a target painted on her back.

Hah, she's got the ultimate protection at the job: She's the black woman they fired for BS reasons that never should have happened, and she's now reinstated. If they fired her for anything, it would be retaliation and open them up to more problems. To be fired she would have to be drunk at work, in uniform, waving a loaded gun around at people, sexually assaulting a child on video, and just not have enough sick time to take the rest of the day off.


You've got a lot of faith in a system that screwed that woman in multiple huge ways and has yet to actually fix the problem.
 
2021-04-14 8:08:35 PM  

Natalie Portmanteau: LurkerSupreme: mrparks: NACAB? MCAB?

/I won't insult your intelligence by explaining the acronyms.

What do you have against Native American and Maori cops?

/s

Dude, do NOT fark with reservation police.


Res cops can do whatever they want, because you left your American rights at the border of their sovereign nation, whitey.
 
2021-04-14 8:10:39 PM  

jso2897: UltimaCS: He sued her for defamation and won a $65,000 judgment against her.

Yet people who have never known hardship keep telling us to have faith in the justice system.

She needs to countersue Kwiatkowski and reverse that judgment and recover anything she has paid him.


Is there no statue of limitations? Otherwise I remember some assholes that deserve it from my public school.

Anyways, his name is spelled in full in articles about him. Woops.
 
2021-04-14 8:13:32 PM  

indy_kid: LurkerSupreme: mrparks: NACAB? MCAB?

/I won't insult your intelligence by explaining the acronyms.

What do you have against Native American and Maori cops?

/s

Too be honest, most perps would probably stop resisting if a Maori cop started doing a haka at them.

Worked in battle, would probably work against the average person.


I'd get bored and walk away if a policeman started Haka in front of me.

Policewoman, I'd have to evaluate the situation.
 
2021-04-14 8:15:09 PM  

rjakobi: You know, I could launch into the same screed about social injustice against women and minorities and the double standards of law enforcement thinking they are above the law and in-department bureaucracy that shames anything in a John Grisham novel and the oh so wonderful "nothing's going to change and no one's going to do anything about it."

Then I think by the time I submit this message, ten or twelve of you would have already done just that, as if you already have pre-generated "outrage" responses prebuilt into your phones.

Looks like the joke's on me again.


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2021-04-14 8:15:14 PM  

ocelot: Only 2 of the last 8 threads are covid/hate police topics.Slipping


Covid bad! White people Bad! Omm num Num!!! Where is moderator to make sure no one dissagree with me!!!
 
2021-04-14 8:16:37 PM  

Karma Chameleon: [Fark user image 425x420]

/got nuthin


ironic, as Isaac brock beat his former gf that was a friend of mine. (He was still cool to me)
 
2021-04-14 8:18:33 PM  

Neondistraction: Not only that, but he later sued her and her lawyer for defamation of character.  Then a few years later that same cop was sentenced to prison time for roughing up some teenagers.

/ free guesses as to the race of the aforementioned teens


Rich and connected.
 
2021-04-14 8:19:46 PM  

mrmopar5287: If they fired her for anything


She wouldn't get fired.  She'd get fired upon.  Cops play dirty when you expose their corruption.
 
2021-04-14 8:19:47 PM  
The NYPD farking celebrates the time they got a "rat" (ie an actual good cop) institutionalized because he spoke out against corrupt cops.

All. Cops. Are. Bastards.
 
2021-04-14 8:25:15 PM  

Gyrfalcon: Natalie Portmanteau: LurkerSupreme: mrparks: NACAB? MCAB?

/I won't insult your intelligence by explaining the acronyms.

What do you have against Native American and Maori cops?

/s

Dude, do NOT fark with reservation police.

Res cops can do whatever they want, because you left your American rights at the border of their sovereign nation, whitey.


I thought reservations were still subject to federal law, just not state.  I have very little knowledge on this, though.
 
2021-04-14 8:36:05 PM  
A black woman. She never had a chance at being treated fairly. But better late than never for justice, I guess.
 
2021-04-14 8:41:20 PM  

ununcle: Covid bad! White people Bad!


Um...Covid is bad though. White people...they're mostly fine.
 
2021-04-14 8:47:39 PM  

OgreMagi: mrmopar5287: Is the City of Buffalo going to stroke her a check for every day of pay she lost since May 2008? And factor in raises, possible promotions, and then recalculate her pension to offer her an immediate retirement?

I certainly hope so.  I hope city hall has to have a rummage sale to pay for it.


I hope they go after the pensions of "...as other officers stood by." Every single one of those officers not only failed to stop the cop attempting to murder the suspect, they lied about the circumstances that forced the new officer on scene to act. None of their testimony or police reports can be trusted because we know they lied to cover a brother cop.
 
2021-04-14 8:57:03 PM  
Oh subby, you are a tricky one.  Trying to get me to cheer for a police by pitting one police against another police.  But I ain't falling for it.  Abolish all police.  White, black, man, womxn, trans siberian, it does not matter.  Abolish all police.

If there were no police, the "good guy" in this story wouldn't be needed, since there would be no police to hundcuff a person in the first place.
 
2021-04-14 9:29:18 PM  
And now I'm going to do my Tucker Carlson impersonation.  "well, maybe if she wasn't so black, this would not have happened."

Cariol Horne, you did the right thing. May you have a good life knowing you were right.
 
2021-04-14 10:03:10 PM  

mrparks: NACAB? MCAB?

/I won't insult your intelligence by explaining the acronyms.


You're missing the point. It's not, as you assume, a condemnation of every singe individual police officer as a person. That would be a ridiculous generalisation.

It's about the system. The way police are trained to be bastards. Encouraged to be bastards. Protected when they are bastards. Equally, it's about the way the system punishes whistleblowers and reformers within the police. It's a broken, dangerous system that is directly responsible for the violent deaths of the innocent and the harmless.

LordJiro: The NYPD farking celebrates the time they got a "rat" (ie an actual good cop) institutionalized because he spoke out against corrupt cops.

All. Cops. Are. Bastards.


A perfect example of ACAB. Those cops even awarded themselves with a challenge coin for destroying a cop who tried to be good.

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2021-04-14 10:26:40 PM  
So much for her FOP. She needs to sue them as not providing adequate and equal protection.
 
2021-04-14 10:44:23 PM  

jso2897: UltimaCS: He sued her for defamation and won a $65,000 judgment against her.

Yet people who have never known hardship keep telling us to have faith in the justice system.

She needs to countersue Kwiatkowski and reverse that judgment and recover anything she has paid him.


Probably well beyond the statute of limitations.  City might earn itself some good will if it reimbursed her for that.
 
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