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(Burlington Free Press)   Smuggler's Notch reopens, Vermonters still have zero faith in truck drivers. Can we get a Fark poll going here for when the first truck gets stuck this year?   (burlingtonfreepress.com) divider line
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2021-04-14 5:08:05 PM  
I didn't know it closed, but that would explain the lack of traffic.  I'm always skiing at the time.
 
2021-04-14 6:28:02 PM  
10 minutes ago?
 
2021-04-14 6:28:24 PM  
"Can you call my mom to come get me?"
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No buses either!
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2021-04-14 6:30:58 PM  
OM NOM NOM NOM!
 
2021-04-14 6:33:47 PM  
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2021-04-14 6:34:48 PM  
Smugglers Notch sounds like where you would hide the drugs on the way back from South America.
 
2021-04-14 6:35:22 PM  
So, basically the 11" 8' bridge, minus the bridge.
 
2021-04-14 6:35:31 PM  
Ah the Burlington Freepress, I remember back in the 90s front page articles about suspected gang members moving into town. They were either the Bloods or Crips, don't remember.
 
2021-04-14 6:36:08 PM  
Not again!

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2021-04-14 6:44:01 PM  

Geotpf: So, basically the 11" 8' bridge, minus the bridge.


I was thinking the same thing
 
2021-04-14 6:45:48 PM  
I can understand things like The Los Angeles Times and the Washington Post.  However, I'm not going to turn off my adblocker or buy a subscription for the Bumpkinville Gazette or whatever the hell that was.

(and yes, incognito mode worked but it's the principle.  Plus, I like to biatch about small problems with simple solutions)
 
2021-04-14 6:47:29 PM  

will.i.ain't: Smugglers Notch sounds like where you would hide the drugs on the way back from South America.


Canada. When you're smuggling drugs from Canada. Vermont is a border state, duh.
 
2021-04-14 6:48:01 PM  
The only thing that can prevent these accidents is a shortage of Bernie's mittens. These drivers hands were too chilled to adequately grip the wheel to manage such a sudden turn
 
2021-04-14 6:48:58 PM  

Stephen_Falken: Geotpf: So, basically the 11" 8' bridge, minus the bridge.

I was thinking the same thing


And that is a state highway, so you'd think the state of Vermont would eminent domain the land on the inside of that curve to make it less sharp of a turn because they *know* that, despite the signage saying "No Trucks" that trucks will try their luck, because it is probably the shortest and quickest route for them to get where they are going from where they started from, and some of those drivers are being ordered to take that route for that reason.
 
2021-04-14 6:49:44 PM  
Google search results for "smugglers notch" "truck stuck" (Fark barfs on the link)

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2021-04-14 6:51:46 PM  

ClavellBCMI: And that is a state highway, so you'd think the state of Vermont would eminent domain the land on the inside of that curve to make it less sharp of a turn because they *know* that, despite the signage saying "No Trucks" that trucks will try their luck, because it is probably the shortest and quickest route for them to get where they are going from where they started from, and some of those drivers are being ordered to take that route for that reason.


Pretty sure that's physically impossible, or if not, so expensive that it's not worth doing.
 
2021-04-14 6:53:36 PM  
Oh, and that should not be a state highway, that should be a county road at best, or the Vermont State Police should have patrol cars assigned to each entrance to that road to make sure that no truck/bus goes down it.
 
2021-04-14 6:55:03 PM  
I'm at work and don't want to cause a stir.  Can somebody look up "Smuggler's Notch" on Urban Dictionary for me?
 
2021-04-14 7:02:08 PM  
Yo-yo smugglers.
 
2021-04-14 7:07:15 PM  

ClavellBCMI: Oh, and that should not be a state highway, that should be a county road at best, or the Vermont State Police should have patrol cars assigned to each entrance to that road to make sure that no truck/bus goes down it.


Tow companies and cops kind of have a one hand washes the other relationship.
 
2021-04-14 7:16:48 PM  
Just gotta whip up a quick machine vision app on a Raspberry Pi that will lower a gate further up if it sees a long vehicle enter.  Done.
 
2021-04-14 7:32:35 PM  
For added excitement, there's snow in the forecast tomorrow night.
 
2021-04-14 7:33:36 PM  

IHadMeAVision: will.i.ain't: Smugglers Notch sounds like where you would hide the drugs on the way back from South America.

Canada. When you're smuggling drugs from Canada. Vermont is a border state, duh.


Originally it was whiskey.
 
2021-04-14 7:36:24 PM  
I'd say they shoul dput a gantry with chains over the entire highway at the bottom, with a huge yellow sign on it saying "Tractor trailers prohibited", but...it doesn't work on Storrow Drive, so why should it here?

(every farking year)
(truck drivers can't read...and apparently, thinking is too much strain for some of them)

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2021-04-14 7:38:21 PM  
I dunno about The notch, but the main highway into my town has been shutdown a mile from my house last 2 hours and every farking bit of highway and city traffic is detoured right in farking front of my farking house house. Why yes, a big rig was involved.
 
2021-04-14 7:39:08 PM  

ClavellBCMI: Vermont would eminent domain the land on the inside of that curve to make it less sharp of a turn


Are you familiar with the road? Have you ever heard of Vermont granite?  You can "eminent domain" it as much as you want (actually not necessary, because it's in a state park already), but that mountain has been there for quite a while, and it ain't going anywhere without a heck of a lot of persuasion.
 
2021-04-14 7:39:18 PM  

ClavellBCMI: Stephen_Falken: Geotpf: So, basically the 11" 8' bridge, minus the bridge.

I was thinking the same thing

And that is a state highway, so you'd think the state of Vermont would eminent domain the land on the inside of that curve to make it less sharp of a turn because they *know* that, despite the signage saying "No Trucks" that trucks will try their luck, because it is probably the shortest and quickest route for them to get where they are going from where they started from, and some of those drivers are being ordered to take that route for that reason.


And their companies probably fine them for being late after getting stuck while taking the route the company ordered them to take (and they probably make the drivers pay the towing costs as well, on top of the late-delivery fines). Is there an actual practical alternate route the trucks could take to avoid that road?
 
2021-04-14 7:39:39 PM  
They should run a meme contest, pick a few, and make signs out of them.  I'd assume truckers just dont pay attention to all the signs they see.  Need something attention grabbing.

Probably still wouldn't work.
 
2021-04-14 7:43:51 PM  

will.i.ain't: Smugglers Notch sounds like where you would hide the drugs on the way back from South America.


It's an option women have for sneaking drugs into prisons.
 
2021-04-14 7:48:13 PM  

Slightly Warped: They should run a meme contest, pick a few, and make signs out of them.  I'd assume truckers just dont pay attention to all the signs they see.  Need something attention grabbing.

Probably still wouldn't work.


It doesn't seem to work for Fark's favorite bridge, so no, it wouldn't work here, either (at least here in Battle Creek, the Upton Avenue railroad bridge (10ft 9in clearance) seems to avoid the fate of the 11ft 8in railroad bridge, mainly because most everyone can see that the Upton Avenue bridge is just too damn low to even make the attempt).
 
2021-04-14 7:55:25 PM  

Louisiana_Sitar_Club: I can understand things like The Los Angeles Times and the Washington Post.  However, I'm not going to turn off my adblocker or buy a subscription for the Bumpkinville Gazette or whatever the hell that was.

(and yes, incognito mode worked but it's the principle.  Plus, I like to biatch about small problems with simple solutions)


If they had local ads it might even be interesting.
 
2021-04-14 8:01:39 PM  

thorpe: ClavellBCMI: And that is a state highway, so you'd think the state of Vermont would eminent domain the land on the inside of that curve to make it less sharp of a turn because they *know* that, despite the signage saying "No Trucks" that trucks will try their luck, because it is probably the shortest and quickest route for them to get where they are going from where they started from, and some of those drivers are being ordered to take that route for that reason.

Pretty sure that's physically impossible, or if not, so expensive that it's not worth doing.


There's turns on that road that are 50ft+ sheer drops to the side. Straightening it ain't gonna happen.
 
2021-04-14 8:02:52 PM  

ClavellBCMI: Stephen_Falken: Geotpf: So, basically the 11" 8' bridge, minus the bridge.

I was thinking the same thing

And that is a state highway, so you'd think the state of Vermont would eminent domain the land on the inside of that curve to make it less sharp of a turn because they *know* that, despite the signage saying "No Trucks" that trucks will try their luck, because it is probably the shortest and quickest route for them to get where they are going from where they started from, and some of those drivers are being ordered to take that route for that reason.


Oh no no no. We're talking about blasting away most of a mountaintop to do this. This is simply not done in Vermont as the scenic beauty brings in the tourists. The road itself is a tourist draw. The problem is twofold. 1. A flatlander semi driver unfamiliar with the area looking for a shortcut and 2. GPS mapping software that doesn't warn said driver of the hazard. My two cents: If you made it a toll road, the problem would vanish.
 
2021-04-14 8:14:41 PM  
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Anyone care to do the geometry?
 
2021-04-14 8:22:10 PM  

Larva Lump: [Fark user image 800x1000]

Anyone care to do the geometry?


Right there by the T. That's where the photos are taken.
 
2021-04-14 8:36:26 PM  

ClavellBCMI: Stephen_Falken: Geotpf: So, basically the 11" 8' bridge, minus the bridge.

I was thinking the same thing

And that is a state highway, so you'd think the state of Vermont would eminent domain the land on the inside of that curve to make it less sharp of a turn because they *know* that, despite the signage saying "No Trucks" that trucks will try their luck, because it is probably the shortest and quickest route for them to get where they are going from where they started from, and some of those drivers are being ordered to take that route for that reason.


You need to drive it in a sports car or on a motorcycle before you speak such blasphemies. 108 through the notch is crazy fun.
 
2021-04-14 8:39:22 PM  

Clenched Bisque: ClavellBCMI: Stephen_Falken: Geotpf: So, basically the 11" 8' bridge, minus the bridge.

I was thinking the same thing

And that is a state highway, so you'd think the state of Vermont would eminent domain the land on the inside of that curve to make it less sharp of a turn because they *know* that, despite the signage saying "No Trucks" that trucks will try their luck, because it is probably the shortest and quickest route for them to get where they are going from where they started from, and some of those drivers are being ordered to take that route for that reason.

You need to drive it in a sports car or on a motorcycle before you speak such blasphemies. 108 through the notch is crazy fun.


Appalachian Gap was a favorite of mine too.
 
2021-04-14 8:40:02 PM  

Geotpf: So, basically the 11" 8' bridge, minus the bridge.


Pretty much.

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Anyone care to do the geometry?


Add in a pretty steep grade and you're set. I don't remember what it is off-hand since it's been years since I've been to Stowe on my trips to VT, but the steep drops around each corner are quite memorable.

/and the gigantic farking boulders on each corner make it interesting too
 
2021-04-14 8:43:43 PM  

turbokat: Larva Lump: [Fark user image 800x1000]

Anyone care to do the geometry?

Right there by the T. That's where the photos are taken.


Yeah. I know that. I was referring to the dimensions of that curve. Look at the distance bar in the lower right.

Also, where exactly along this route are the signs warning overly long vehicles. I saw nothing on Street View in Stowe at the intersection of VT 100 and VT 108. Same goes for Jeffersonville where VT 108 connects with VT 15. There are supermarkets along VT 100 that would be likely to receive fifty-foot trailers; 108 is hardly a shortcut to those locations, and the supplies for the Notch resorts would likely come from from the south -- from Stowe. So, where are the "DON'T DO THAT!" signs?
 
2021-04-14 8:44:36 PM  
They should put a bend in the road right at the beginning so trucks can get stuck there and it is easier to remove them.
 
2021-04-14 8:45:44 PM  

Flowery Twats: I'd say they shoul dput a gantry with chains over the entire highway at the bottom, with a huge yellow sign on it saying "Tractor trailers prohibited", but...it doesn't work on Storrow Drive, so why should it here?

(every farking year)
(truck drivers can't read...and apparently, thinking is too much strain for some of them)

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I'm not sure how good of a solution this would be, but they should narrow the on-ramp guardrails at that point to being less than 8' wide. That would possibly discourage most truckers I'd think.
 
2021-04-14 8:52:30 PM  

Larva Lump: turbokat: Larva Lump: [Fark user image 800x1000]

Anyone care to do the geometry?

Right there by the T. That's where the photos are taken.

Yeah. I know that. I was referring to the dimensions of that curve. Look at the distance bar in the lower right.

Also, where exactly along this route are the signs warning overly long vehicles. I saw nothing on Street View in Stowe at the intersection of VT 100 and VT 108. Same goes for Jeffersonville where VT 108 connects with VT 15. There are supermarkets along VT 100 that would be likely to receive fifty-foot trailers; 108 is hardly a shortcut to those locations, and the supplies for the Notch resorts would likely come from from the south -- from Stowe. So, where are the "DON'T DO THAT!" signs?


The signs are up by the Matterhorn tavern with a big turn around. They get the hint on the Stowe side. 99 times out of 100, they're coming from the Jeffersonville side where there's no turn around.
 
2021-04-14 8:55:12 PM  
I've actually driven that road. You need to concentrate on your driving. It is no place for trucks.
And, yes, there is an alternate route.  Two of them in fact: US-89 and US-91. 108 looks like a shortcut to Canada on the map, but...as you can see...an unpleasant surprise awaits the trucker who tries it.

Only possible excuse is: Quebecois truckers who ne parlez pas l'anglais, and therefore, cannot read the road signs.
 
2021-04-14 9:06:35 PM  

Larva Lump: turbokat: Larva Lump: [Fark user image 800x1000]

Anyone care to do the geometry?

Right there by the T. That's where the photos are taken.

Yeah. I know that. I was referring to the dimensions of that curve. Look at the distance bar in the lower right.

Also, where exactly along this route are the signs warning overly long vehicles. I saw nothing on Street View in Stowe at the intersection of VT 100 and VT 108. Same goes for Jeffersonville where VT 108 connects with VT 15. There are supermarkets along VT 100 that would be likely to receive fifty-foot trailers; 108 is hardly a shortcut to those locations, and the supplies for the Notch resorts would likely come from from the south -- from Stowe. So, where are the "DON'T DO THAT!" signs?


At one end
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and the other.  Both are at the last possible place to turn around.
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2021-04-14 9:08:57 PM  
Great hiking up in those parts. The only option is to blast the mountain to bits but it's the middle of nowhere so why bother.
 
2021-04-14 9:23:13 PM  
Snuffybud

At one end
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and the other.  Both are at the last possible place to turn around.
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Yeeeeaaaaah. Those are far less emphatic than the 11-foot-8 (plus 8) warnings, so it's no wonder it keeps happening. I was expecting a sort-of "ABANDON ALL HOPE, YE WHO ENTER HERE! TURN AROUND HERE, DUMBASS!" approach.

Followed just a bit beyond by, "You're screwed, pal" one.
 
2021-04-14 9:38:28 PM  

Larva Lump: Snuffybud

At one end
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and the other.  Both are at the last possible place to turn around.
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Yeeeeaaaaah. Those are far less emphatic than the 11-foot-8 (plus 8) warnings, so it's no wonder it keeps happening. I was expecting a sort-of "ABANDON ALL HOPE, YE WHO ENTER HERE! TURN AROUND HERE, DUMBASS!" approach.

Followed just a bit beyond by, "You're screwed, pal" one.


Yeah, I know.  I expected bigger signs too.  Sure looks like a fun drive with the right car and no traffic though!
 
2021-04-14 10:04:18 PM  
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2021-04-14 10:04:52 PM  

Larva Lump: Yeeeeaaaaah. Those are far less emphatic than the 11-foot-8 (plus 8) warnings, so it's no wonder it keeps happening. I was expecting a sort-of "ABANDON ALL HOPE, YE WHO ENTER HERE! TURN AROUND HERE, DUMBASS!" approach.

Followed just a bit beyond by, "You're screwed, pal" one.


The past few years they've had lighted LED message signs up before the point of no return, warning trucks and busses they're going to get stuck and then fined out the ass. 
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2021-04-14 11:26:58 PM  

Snuffybud: Sure looks like a fun drive with the right car and no traffic though!


There's the sticking point. Where's the fun in getting a Nissan up your nostril?
 
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