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(Salon)   On the Gaslight trail with Tuck yer Carlson. Yeah, that's right, yer Carlson. It's disgusting   (salon.com) divider line
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2021-04-14 9:05:05 AM  
The perpetrators and agitators of uprisings are typically publicly executed to serve as an example to others.

We need more examples.
 
2021-04-14 9:23:57 AM  
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ok not really but still
 
2021-04-14 9:35:59 AM  
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2021-04-14 9:37:23 AM  
And yes, I'm very aware that's Carlton.  Be nice to me.
 
2021-04-14 10:34:24 AM  
Biatch, please.

The GOP have been doing this for decades.

I know cos I have been biatching about them doing it for decades.

And yes, the Dems need to grab a clue and grow a spine and fight TF back.
 
2021-04-14 10:35:13 AM  
Reminder:

You Literally Can't Believe The Facts Tucker Carlson Tells You. So Say Fox's Lawyers

https://www.npr.org/2020/09/29/917747​1​23/you-literally-cant-believe-the-fact​s-tucker-carlson-tells-you-so-say-fox-​s-lawye
 
2021-04-14 10:36:54 AM  
Got actually make laws to hold them accountable.  All power corrupts including freedom.
 
2021-04-14 10:37:29 AM  
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2021-04-14 10:38:08 AM  
I have no argument with the article, but the only evidence that this country takes this shiat seriously will be the judicial output when these right wing terrorists come to court.
 
2021-04-14 10:40:54 AM  
I don't understand why they are going with "It wasn't that bad" over the easier "few bad apples" defense?
 
2021-04-14 10:43:34 AM  
"Fascism in its various forms is a sickness of the soul and spirit more than of the mind."

I have said this always about racism - that to make broadstroke judgments of an individual or a cohort based on melanin, despite 99.9% of all other DNA being identical, is indeed a sickness.

I guess adding "fascism" completes the thought...
 
2021-04-14 10:43:51 AM  
Speaking of gaslighting, Politico article of Republicans claiming Democrats are gaslighting America by claiming that they want to do good things and that Republicans are blocking them.

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"Why won't America blame Biden for not cutting the COVID relief bill with 70% public support by 2/3rds, and why do we look like the bad guys for trying to vote it down?"
 
2021-04-14 10:46:46 AM  
Unfortunately as we saw during the Obama administration, the Democrats and the leadership tend to think that the public is smarter than they really are, and tend to expect that people don't need to have things held up to their nose and pointed at them. They're wrong about that. One of the reasons for the Democrats losses in 2010-2014 and 2016 was the fundamental error in believing that people didn't need to be told constantly about how the stimulus saved jobs and improved the economy. I remember when one Democratic operative was asked why the Democrats were not heralding the success of much of the stimulus program , his response was "we don't have to tell people it's right in their backyard they'll be able to see it". Well Fox news and the right wing media were telling people that despite the evidence of their eyes, the stimulus was a failure, and a vast number of Americans believed that. Now the right wing is telling the lie that the insurrection of January 6th wasn't exactly what we saw. And again 50% of Republicans believe that lie. They believe that antifa did it, or the deep state. The Democrats have to stand up and scream and shout and hold up the evidence and beat down the Republicans with this, and fark bipartisanship and healing. We're not going to heal as long as a third of our fellow countrymen want us dead.
 
2021-04-14 10:47:07 AM  
"The advice to "tell better stories" is not new. To save the soul of America in this ongoing battle against neofascism, Joe Biden, the Democratic Party and their allies on the left need to embrace that advice wholeheartedly"

I can sort of see the sense of this - alotta US history has been mythology. Seems to work. And I don't even mean that as snarkiness.
 
2021-04-14 10:50:27 AM  
Maybe we just don't have a children's story for this.  Something that prepares for a culture that welcome the eventual takeover of all life by evil.    A story that a child can hear over and over, because it's very scary at first, and after the nightmare, the child will want the story again, to show he's now more grownup.

A story something like the fox moves into the hen house after he promises to behave, and the hens all vote to let him as an experiment in inclusiveness.  They know they will watch him.

The fox has visitors, relatives down for the winter.  The hens vote again.  It's only temporary.

The fox visitors bring the whole family: grandma, grandpa and the unmarried aunts to live there too.

Soon the fox has taken over most of the hen house and decides to put in lights because some of the hens are getting murdered at night.

They install gas lights.  And a gas barbeque grill.
 
2021-04-14 11:00:21 AM  
This man is dangerous and should be taken off the air. FOX should be held accountable for the lies it spreads.
 
2021-04-14 11:02:18 AM  
People did enter a government building. That's incontrovertible.
 
2021-04-14 11:03:15 AM  

quatchi: Biatch, please.

The GOP have been doing this for decades.

I know cos I have been biatching about them doing it for decades.

And yes, the Dems need to grab a clue and grow a spine and fight TF back.


They've turned Timothy Mcveigh into a left wing atheist when he was really a right wing, small government, Christian conservative traditionalist who was worried about being replaced by those people.
 
2021-04-14 11:11:48 AM  
A Pandemic rages while the wealthy, vaccinated and financially secure, ignore it. The 2 Corporate owned parties battle each other tit for tat and do nothing substantive to help the situation that many of their countryman face. War drums beat in the distance because it's easier to hate them than it is to fix us. The economy continues to split, driving a permanent wedge between those at the bottom and those in the middle and those at the top. The police continue to militarize and kill innocent citizens. An attempted fascist coup comes and goes and the cover up is more noticeable than the long term radicalization it created.

I think I've read this novel before.
 
2021-04-14 11:13:04 AM  
The only idiots believing that are the ones who who believed every one of Trumps 31,000+ lies.
 
2021-04-14 11:13:42 AM  
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2021-04-14 11:20:29 AM  

SanityIsAFullTimeJob: People did enter a government building. That's incontrovertible.


There was legit a guy on here yesterday or day before arguing that government buildings should be open to the public at all times and never close, so these guys shouldn't ever have been charged with a crime for breaking in to the capitol.
 
2021-04-14 11:32:39 AM  

JolobinSmokin: quatchi: Biatch, please.

The GOP have been doing this for decades.

I know cos I have been biatching about them doing it for decades.

And yes, the Dems need to grab a clue and grow a spine and fight TF back.

They've turned Timothy Mcveigh into a left wing atheist when he was really a right wing, small government, Christian conservative traditionalist who was worried about being replaced by those people.


I he as r that McVeigh is NOT. White nationalist, he was just standing up to a tyrannical Democrat run government. He is John Brown to them.
 
2021-04-14 11:44:11 AM  

TelemonianAjax: JolobinSmokin: quatchi: Biatch, please.

The GOP have been doing this for decades.

I know cos I have been biatching about them doing it for decades.

And yes, the Dems need to grab a clue and grow a spine and fight TF back.

They've turned Timothy Mcveigh into a left wing atheist when he was really a right wing, small government, Christian conservative traditionalist who was worried about being replaced by those people.

I he as r that McVeigh is NOT. White nationalist, he was just standing up to a tyrannical Democrat run government. He is John Brown to them.


There was a poster here not too many months ago who arged at length that McVeigh was completely justified in his actions and it was fine that he killed children because it was a well-deserved payback for Ruby Ridge.

There's a not-inconsiderable fraction of rightwingers who view him as a hero.
 
2021-04-14 11:56:06 AM  
"First, they must accept the fact that diehard Trump Republicans and other right-wing extremists are not going to return to normal society."


Push legislation through now while we have the majority. Also need to start imprisoning the traitors.
 
2021-04-14 12:09:28 PM  
They should break the 12-minute insurrection video into a bunch of 1-minute segments that show an act of violence, then identify the assailant and their political affiliation. Run them as ads on fox during sean, laura, and *ucker's shows. Nonstop for a couple of weeks.

For a bonus, show a violent clip, accompanied by a clip of them gaslighting it for instant contrast.
 
2021-04-14 12:37:59 PM  

cocozilla: Unfortunately as we saw during the Obama administration, the Democrats and the leadership tend to think that the public is smarter than they really are, and tend to expect that people don't need to have things held up to their nose and pointed at them. They're wrong about that. One of the reasons for the Democrats losses in 2010-2014 and 2016 was the fundamental error in believing that people didn't need to be told constantly about how the stimulus saved jobs and improved the economy. I remember when one Democratic operative was asked why the Democrats were not heralding the success of much of the stimulus program , his response was "we don't have to tell people it's right in their backyard they'll be able to see it". Well Fox news and the right wing media were telling people that despite the evidence of their eyes, the stimulus was a failure, and a vast number of Americans believed that. Now the right wing is telling the lie that the insurrection of January 6th wasn't exactly what we saw. And again 50% of Republicans believe that lie. They believe that antifa did it, or the deep state. The Democrats have to stand up and scream and shout and hold up the evidence and beat down the Republicans with this, and fark bipartisanship and healing. We're not going to heal as long as a third of our fellow countrymen want us dead.


Make them dead first. A Khymer Rube, as it were.

The only way forward is if large chunks of Republican voters are forcibly silenced or dead. That's the end game.

I'm a man who values efficiency and actively oppressing their speech for decades takes far more effort.
 
2021-04-14 1:25:39 PM  

Grungehamster: Speaking of gaslighting, Politico article of Republicans claiming Democrats are gaslighting America by claiming that they want to do good things and that Republicans are blocking them.

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"Why won't America blame Biden for not cutting the COVID relief bill with 70% public support by 2/3rds, and why do we look like the bad guys for trying to vote it down?"


And after Democrats refused the offer to cut the COVID bill by two thirds to maybe get some Republican votes and suffering no loss of public support for it Republicans are coming to the table on the infrastructure bill to say... cut it by two thirds to maybe get some Republican votes.

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2021-04-14 3:02:06 PM  

edmo: The only idiots believing that are the ones who who believed every one of Trumps 31,000+ lies.


All 75 million of them
 
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