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2021-04-13 4:12:37 PM  
A. 'unskilled' jobs can require a lot of skill to do well.
B. paying not enough to live on can work if all the minimum wage workers are high school kids.
B-i. That isn't the situation.
C.  It's none of your goddamn business if a guy wants to be a career ditch-digger.  He ought to get paid for doing it, not told to work his way up to management if he wants to feed his kid.
 
2021-04-13 4:14:31 PM  
Unskilled Jobs Are 'Rungs On A Ladder'

He left out a part where the top 50% ladder has had all the rungs removed, and all the rungs from that point down are at or over capacity, but otherwise he's right.
 
2021-04-13 4:15:47 PM  
"I want everybody who works hard and plays fair to prosper," Rowe told the network. "I want everybody to be able to support themselves. But if you just pull the money out of midair you're going to create other problems, like there is a ladder of success that people climb and some of those jobs that are out there for seven, eight, nine dollars an hour, in my view, they're simply not intended to be careers."

He really didn't learn a damn thing on the show he made money on that championed those kinds of jobs.
 
2021-04-13 4:16:57 PM  
Where were you? When he built a ladder to heaven?
 
2021-04-13 4:18:33 PM  

Nadie_AZ: "I want everybody who works hard and plays fair to prosper," Rowe told the network. "I want everybody to be able to support themselves. But if you just pull the money out of midair you're going to create other problems, like there is a ladder of success that people climb and some of those jobs that are out there for seven, eight, nine dollars an hour, in my view, they're simply not intended to be careers."

He really didn't learn a damn thing on the show he made money on that championed those kinds of jobs.


He championed the jobs, not the people who did them or paying them more than slave wages for their work.
 
2021-04-13 4:22:04 PM  
Yeah, fark Mike Rowe.  I used to admire him, but he's parroting GOP talking points now and shilling for energy companies.
 
2021-04-13 4:26:28 PM  

Sliding Carp: C.  It's none of your goddamn business if a guy wants to be a career ditch-digger.  He ought to get paid for doing it, not told to work his way up to management if he wants to feed his kid.


These days it's not even really a guarantee you will be able to feed your kid even if you make it there.
 
2021-04-13 4:28:50 PM  
"BUT GUYS!!! Capitalism is so fragile it'll collapse without someone to exploit"
 
2021-04-13 4:29:05 PM  
Reading the headline I knew exactly who this was about. What a farking tool.
 
2021-04-13 4:29:09 PM  
No such thing as unskilled work.
 
2021-04-13 4:30:25 PM  
"Although Rowe is not political".... he's here to share his Republican views with you.

I love the "I'm not a Republican I just repeat their talking points" people....
 
2021-04-13 4:30:36 PM  
Mike Rowe cephalic
 
2021-04-13 4:30:46 PM  
So we decide that sweeping floors is not valuable enough to pay a living wage.

The people who sweep floors take the advice of the pundits, and get themselves some new skills, so they can make a better living and not have to sweep floors for less than a living wage.

Now, who's going to sweep the floors?
 
2021-04-13 4:31:18 PM  
For a guy who is supposed to be handy and "skilled", he's unable to realize that we all can't stand on the top rung at the same time.

Or that we all want to.
 
2021-04-13 4:31:19 PM  

peterquince: "Although Rowe is not political".... he's here to share his Republican views with you.

I love the "I'm not a Republican I just repeat their talking points" people....


Can you be a Fark Independent without being on Fark?
 
2021-04-13 4:31:26 PM  
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hahaha i don't think I'm going to make it to the "article".
 
2021-04-13 4:31:43 PM  
He's Koch funded right-wing garbage.

https://news.kochind.com/news/news-ar​c​hive/2016/koch-industries-teams-up-wit​h-mike-rowe-to-improve

He's a blue-collar tourist. fark him.
 
2021-04-13 4:32:27 PM  
Can someone point me to the rungs of underemployment that pay more than $15/hr and will hire anyone who will just spend the reasonable amount of time getting experience at sub $15/hr?

Numerically, you can't claim it's a "rung on a ladder" if moving up requires pulling someone else down. The jobs he describes don't exist, so the jobs that do exist need to be fixed.
 
2021-04-13 4:32:36 PM  
"Six Degrees with Mike Rowe,"

Six degrees of what?  Are you helping people earn six degrees?  Maybe six degrees is how much you misjudged the temperature in the room?
 
2021-04-13 4:32:54 PM  
I was sold on the lie growing up, that if i rolled up my sleeve and worked hard i could move up in the world.

THAT IS A LIE created by corporate america to maximize your value, while rewarding you the same as everyone else

There is very little vertical movement in Corporate america.  Often promotion from entry level positions are only there to make you do more for the same pay.
 
2021-04-13 4:33:06 PM  
So the people who prepare lunch for the pipefitters and welders are expendable, unimportant labor drones.  Sounds legit, Mike Rowe Softhands.
 
2021-04-13 4:33:19 PM  
I thought the opera thing was just and easier way for him to get into the SAG and he wasn't actually a singer?
 
2021-04-13 4:33:34 PM  
$15 is a final destination?
 
2021-04-13 4:34:05 PM  
What a prick.  Guy thinks that "upward mobility" should be the end-all, be-all of existence, and if you are a person who is simply unable to get a higher education or job that you should just starve?

Screw him and his BS socio-economic "model".
 
2021-04-13 4:34:28 PM  
Picture of what this guy thinks the American jobs ladder looks like:

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Picture of what the American jobs ladder REALLY looks like:

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2021-04-13 4:34:39 PM  
Damn, Rowe...I used to like you and thought you were a reasonable person.

Why can't "rungs of a ladder" start with a liveable wage? If someone doesn't want to climb those rungs, they should be penalized?

What about, in most instances, where someone CAN'T climb those rungs because of the way things in the US are slanted? They should be penalized too?

How about all those jobs you did on your show for a few minutes/hours a day and struggled with? Those people who do that 40+ hours a week shouldn't be able to put food on their table and provide for their family?

Go EABOD and gargle Barksy's balls
 
2021-04-13 4:35:41 PM  
"They're not supposed to be permanent jobs"

THE FARKING JOBS DON'T STOP NEEDING TO GET DONE, JERKOFF
 
2021-04-13 4:36:05 PM  

kkinnison: I was sold on the lie growing up, that if i rolled up my sleeve and worked hard i could move up in the world.

THAT IS A LIE created by corporate america to maximize your value, while rewarding you the same as everyone else

There is very little vertical movement in Corporate america.  Often promotion from entry level positions are only there to make you do more for the same pay.


I've found there's an inflection point. There's a level in most companies, a pretty low level, where everything just stops.

If you can get above that you'll be in the C level suite some day no matter how badly you fark up.
 
2021-04-13 4:36:06 PM  
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What "skilled work" might look like.
 
2021-04-13 4:36:19 PM  
Television host Mike Rowe, who is set to debut a new program, "Six Degrees with Mike Rowe," weighed in on the minimum wage debate currently brewing in Congress, suggesting that minimum wage jobs are valuable but that they should be treated as a bridge to success and not a final destination.

Although Rowe is not political...


Here's a suggestion:   STFU.
 
2021-04-13 4:36:58 PM  
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2021-04-13 4:38:25 PM  

Mi-5: What a prick.  Guy thinks that "upward mobility" should be the end-all, be-all of existence, and if you are a person who is simply unable to get a higher education or job that you should just starve?

Screw him and his BS socio-economic "model".


That's basically the motivation for capitalism. He's just incredibly gormless and acrimonious towards the working class he supposedly champions.
 
2021-04-13 4:38:48 PM  
Mike Rowe?

More like...Mike Hock. Amirite?
 
2021-04-13 4:40:12 PM  
If employers aren't willing to pay a living wage for someone who's willing to work 40 hours a week, then I guess they really don't think those jobs are... well... essential.

I'd love to see a General Strike in this Nation of everyone making under $15/he. That's $600/week. Just... don't go in for a couple of days. It might open eyes.
 
2021-04-13 4:40:32 PM  
"Rungs on a ladder", right. That explains all the 40-60yo folks I see working those jobs. They're skyrocketing their way up toward prosperity, not stuck scratching at a living to support a family & kids.
 
2021-04-13 4:41:16 PM  
Sadly, this isn't anything new. Mike Rowe has appeared on Prager U, and his show Dirty Jobs was intended to be more a celebration of entrepreneurship than, you know, the actual workers.

Dude's a corporate kiss-ass.
 
2021-04-13 4:41:44 PM  

Harry Wagstaff: I thought the opera thing was just and easier way for him to get into the SAG and he wasn't actually a singer?


It was.  That's the joke.
 
2021-04-13 4:41:45 PM  
Immoral scumbag asshole.

"Those jobs are for kids, they don't need higher wages" - Exploiting child labor isn't just for 3rd world sweatshops

Arguments against the minimum wage tend to center on being able to sell your labor, and that if people want to earn more they should find a way to make themselves more valuable to the owner class, but that always pretends the exchange of labor for compensation is negotiated fairly.

It isn't, because the worker is always under the "or starve to death" negotiation tool of the owner class.

Now, of course, if we had a UBI that covered basic housing and living costs, and publicly funded health care and education, we could get rid of the minimum wage entirely.  Let employers pay as little as people are willing to accept freely, without being under the threat of death by destitution.

But of course Mike would oppose such a system also (as some asshole or another likely will in this thread) by creating caricatures of lazy people and pretending everyone would be such, ignoring that there is more to life and the universe than "productivity" as determined by someone's balance sheet, and denying the truth that the owner class simply doesn't want to pay wages that aren't negotiated under terms of "or else starve to death"
 
2021-04-13 4:41:51 PM  
I hate this Bad Faith argument  - minimum wage jobs are all over the economy, in almost every sector  - with no promise of additional "rungs", let alone benefits of any significant value.

To try to argue that $15/hr is "too good for them is largely to betray your age. $15 is about 4x the minimum wage from 1985, if adjusted for inflation. In 1985 the median US house price was 82,000 dollars - today that is 330,000 dollars - an increase of about 4x, also. Should we do cars, now, too?

$15 is just barely catching up - and this artificially low rate has subsidized corporate earnings for two generations, now. For the record, even though some states have made this move, some corporations have adopted the benchmark as well - the current US federal minimum wage is still $7.25/hr. That is appalling.
 
2021-04-13 4:45:04 PM  
"They're not intended to be full-time jobs"

Then why is the median age of full time fast food workers 34?  Whatever the intent was, today they're careers that last and are a major part of people's lives.

There aren't enough higher paying jobs for everyone who is willing to work to climb up.  This is just a fact of existence.  We always need retail workers, food service, menial labor, janitors, etc.  And they're going to be a huge part of our economy, upwards of 1/3.  And no, these jobs won't be primarily worked by 17 year olds "getting experience".  That's a tiny fraction of the people we see doing these jobs.  If McDonalds/Walmart/etc could only hire teenagers getting their first job, they'd be incapable of having enough workers to operate.  And anyone who puts in 40 hours a week should be able to afford a reasonable life.

In short - fark off Rowe. You're a heartless conservative masquerading as a labor expert.
 
2021-04-13 4:46:56 PM  
Back in the "good old days" of a thriving middle class, we know what corporate tax rates looked like. There were also many manufacturing/mill/industrial jobs that employed entire communities that are now gone. That leaves Walmart or fast food for many adult breadwinners in America.
 
2021-04-13 4:47:51 PM  

MattytheMouse: Sadly, this isn't anything new. Mike Rowe has appeared on Prager U, and his show Dirty Jobs was intended to be more a celebration of entrepreneurship than, you know, the actual workers.

Dude's a corporate kiss-ass.


Yeah. I think his new show is really just long-form commercials for the petroleum industry.
 
2021-04-13 4:49:00 PM  

Dusk-You-n-Me: No such thing as unskilled work.


Yeah there is. If a new guy off the street can be doing your job with a quick orientation and a couple of training  shifts it is unskilled. Some people can be really good at unskilled work but even if you are the world's greatest dishwasher your boss can replace you with a good enough dishwasher with little effort.
 
2021-04-13 4:51:07 PM  
You can get paid for what you do, or you can get paid for what you know. Sometimes you can make more by doing (NFL or NBA star, actor), sometimes you make more by knowing (lawyer, engineer), and a rare set of people make money doing both (surgeon, dentist). But getting laid for what you do never lasts. Even if an injury, or age, or a a tragic accident doesn't take away your ability to earn, sometimes what needs to be done goes away, or changes (automation, offshoring). But as long as you can think, and speak, and push a button or a pen, and you practice continuous education to keep your knowledge from going stale, you can always have an income.

So, yes-college isn't for everyone. And, yes-you can make great money in the trades. But you better make as much as you can, while you can, and invest and diversify, because you will always be one nasty car accident away from transforming from a "hard working, blue collar 'Murican" to a "lazy, uneducated moocher who would rather collect SSDI than work like a 'real' 'Murican".
 
2021-04-13 4:51:51 PM  

Sliding Carp: A. 'unskilled' jobs can require a lot of skill to do well.
B. paying not enough to live on can work if all the minimum wage workers are high school kids.
B-i. That isn't the situation.
C.  It's none of your goddamn business if a guy wants to be a career ditch-digger.  He ought to get paid for doing it, not told to work his way up to management if he wants to feed his kid.


Ditch digger is one of the few jobs you can make 100k straight out of prison doing.

No shiat.
 
2021-04-13 4:52:12 PM  
Im glad so read the comments first.

Fark Mike Rowe.   And fark you subby for trying to get me to clink on a Daily wire link.
 
2021-04-13 4:52:39 PM  
Brought to you by Exxon™.

Accidentally caught his new show. You'd not believe the oil/nat gas industry commercials in between segments. It's practically a Simpson's spoof.
 
2021-04-13 4:52:56 PM  

capn' fun: But getting laid for what you do never lasts.


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2021-04-13 4:53:30 PM  
I'm glad read the comments
 
2021-04-13 4:53:52 PM  

Gubbo: kkinnison: I was sold on the lie growing up, that if i rolled up my sleeve and worked hard i could move up in the world.

THAT IS A LIE created by corporate america to maximize your value, while rewarding you the same as everyone else

There is very little vertical movement in Corporate america.  Often promotion from entry level positions are only there to make you do more for the same pay.

I've found there's an inflection point. There's a level in most companies, a pretty low level, where everything just stops.

If you can get above that you'll be in the C level suite some day no matter how badly you fark up.


As someone who sat in a C level suite at 25, no, you're absolutely not at all wrong.  People never ask my secrets to success because honestly almost every decision I make should be result in a katamari damacy of horrifying results... but somehow I always fail upward, or succeed in some unlikely way.

/If I had ever held a "normal" job, I'm pretty sure I'd have been summarily dismissed quickly, and often.
 
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