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2021-04-13 7:00:39 PM  
The only people on this entire planet that want more climate change are American conservatives.
 
2021-04-13 7:15:50 PM  
long-shot tactics like nullification and a constitutional convention.

A constitutional convention isn't as long-shot as we'd like to believe, now that conservatives are mobilizing to rig all of our elections even moreso.  They control a dangerous number of states already, which is why fixing the Senate by admitting states goes hand in hand with preventing the creation of Gilead.
 
2021-04-13 7:18:06 PM  
Why are oil and gas companies to be given so much special treatment?

Sounds socialist to me... Texas
 
2021-04-13 8:50:30 PM  

koder: long-shot tactics like nullification and a constitutional convention.

A constitutional convention isn't as long-shot as we'd like to believe, now that conservatives are mobilizing to rig all of our elections even moreso.  They control a dangerous number of states already, which is why fixing the Senate by admitting states goes hand in hand with preventing the creation of Gilead.


Umm. A Constitutional Convention only gets called when two thirds of the Congress and then two thirds of the states agree. And then only gets passed with three quarters of the states. There won't be a Constitutional Convention, never mind any passage.
 
2021-04-13 10:10:30 PM  
So a not so smart Alec
 
2021-04-13 10:11:47 PM  

edmo: The only people on this entire planet that want more climate change are American conservatives.


and they are the ones who have all the money in the world, and yet somehow, its not enough
 
2021-04-13 10:16:57 PM  

edmo: The only people on this entire planet that want more climate change are American conservatives.


I don't think that is the motive. I used to think it was big business. It's not that either.

The GQP has no plan planks. All they and their constituents want is to shut down/ deride their opponents. That's all they have left.
 
2021-04-13 10:18:00 PM  
Buggy whips! We need more buggy whips!
 
2021-04-13 10:19:33 PM  

Three Crooked Squirrels: koder: long-shot tactics like nullification and a constitutional convention.

A constitutional convention isn't as long-shot as we'd like to believe, now that conservatives are mobilizing to rig all of our elections even moreso.  They control a dangerous number of states already, which is why fixing the Senate by admitting states goes hand in hand with preventing the creation of Gilead.

Umm. A Constitutional Convention only gets called when two thirds of the Congress and then two thirds of the states agree. And then only gets passed with three quarters of the states. There won't be a Constitutional Convention, never mind any passage.


Absent from the list of ideas are:
-constructing a giant dragon out of wood and rabbit pellets and using it to scare "sleepy joe"
-interpretative dance
-hiring mike pence to squint really hard at Joe
-green algae
-wishing really really really hard (a tactic lifted from Democrats)
-lowering the age of consent
-hijacking that space laser but nobody in the GOP can code in Yiddish.
 
2021-04-13 10:21:55 PM  
Fossil industries die hard? not surprising.

Fossil fuel industry in this case, but same diff.
 
2021-04-13 10:23:22 PM  
The West Wing Secret plan to fight inflation
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2021-04-13 10:24:02 PM  

edmo: The only people on this entire planet that want more climate change are American conservatives.


I guess they don't give a fark about their grandkids
 
2021-04-13 10:24:11 PM  

edmo: The only people on this entire planet that want more climate change are American conservatives.


Not so fast.  Spain's answer to the GOP, the Vox party (no joke, I've seen them use the slogan 'Make Spain Great Again' written in English ), was the sole opposition to the new climate change legislation they just passed last week.  I don't know the ins and outs of the law, but the blurbs in the news make it sound pretty standard emissions reduction, removing incentives for fossil fuels, etc.  Regardless, you can sleep well knowing that conservatives are on the wrong side of this issue, and loudly, over there too.
 
2021-04-13 10:28:02 PM  

Kick The Chair: edmo: The only people on this entire planet that want more climate change are American conservatives.

I guess they don't give a fark about their grandkids


No they do not. They'll give them money, but not give a crap that throwing money at a problem only goes so far, especially if you were the ones who caused the problem and/or prevented the problem from being mitigated when there was still time.
 
2021-04-13 10:32:10 PM  

edmo: The only people on this entire planet that want more climate change are American conservatives.


And "beautiful, incandescent light bulbs". We like consuming electricity to produce more heat for less lumens.
 
2021-04-13 10:32:27 PM  

New Rising Sun: edmo: The only people on this entire planet that want more climate change are American conservatives.

Not so fast.  Spain's answer to the GOP, the Vox party (no joke, I've seen them use the slogan 'Make Spain Great Again' written in English ), was the sole opposition to the new climate change legislation they just passed last week.  I don't know the ins and outs of the law, but the blurbs in the news make it sound pretty standard emissions reduction, removing incentives for fossil fuels, etc.  Regardless, you can sleep well knowing that conservatives are on the wrong side of this issue, and loudly, over there too.



I think the Russians are also banking on global warming to open up those northern trade routes. Not sure if the money that generates will somehow make up for losing St. Petersburg to coastal floods though.
 
2021-04-13 10:38:40 PM  
FTFA: (They) also faulted the Democratic administration for promoting climate-focused policies within federal agencies through executive orders, rather than routing all proposals through Congress...

You know, so they can be stalled indefinitely - while the status quo, which is the planet getting worse, just rolls on.
 
2021-04-13 10:38:51 PM  
I wonder if they think they'll be able to eat their money when the climate is so farked that we can't grow crops anymore. Stupid, greedy pigs. Absolute morons.
 
2021-04-13 10:48:12 PM  
"Ivory also faulted the Democratic administration for promoting climate-focused policies within federal agencies through executive orders, rather than routing all proposals through Congress" "where they can be killed."
 
2021-04-13 10:48:30 PM  
It's fine, you can tell me all your secrets, Republicans, no one believes me when I tell them all your devious schemes
 
2021-04-13 10:50:25 PM  

thorpe: "Ivory also faulted the Democratic administration for promoting climate-focused policies within federal agencies through executive orders, rather than routing all proposals through Congress" "where they can be killed."


Actually it's just less expensive to kill them in Congress. Right-wing dark money groups just hire evil lawyers to kill the agency regs in the federal courts that McConnell took over
 
2021-04-13 10:50:52 PM  

Three Crooked Squirrels: Umm. A Constitutional Convention only gets called when two thirds of the Congress and then two thirds of the states agree. And then only gets passed with three quarters of the states. There won't be a Constitutional Convention, never mind any passage.


A Constitutional Convention is called when over two thirds of state legislatures decide to do so.  Over two thirds of both houses of Congress is the other way that amendments can be proposed.  It's an either/or, not an and.  Of course, both ways require 3/4ths of the states to ratify the amendments proposed, either by the state legislatures or by individual state conventions.

It is worth noting that Republicans currently control 30 out of 50 state legislatures, they only need 4 more to bump it up over 66%.
 
2021-04-13 10:57:20 PM  
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2021-04-13 10:57:55 PM  

LrdPhoenix: It is worth noting that Republicans currently control 30 out of 50 state legislatures, they only need 4 more to bump it up over 66%.


And they'd need 8 more to get over 75% and do practically whatever they want, but that's a pretty unlikely scenario, as is getting 4 more to get over 66.66%.
 
2021-04-13 10:58:21 PM  

omg bbq: Three Crooked Squirrels: koder: long-shot tactics like nullification and a constitutional convention.

A constitutional convention isn't as long-shot as we'd like to believe, now that conservatives are mobilizing to rig all of our elections even moreso.  They control a dangerous number of states already, which is why fixing the Senate by admitting states goes hand in hand with preventing the creation of Gilead.

Umm. A Constitutional Convention only gets called when two thirds of the Congress and then two thirds of the states agree. And then only gets passed with three quarters of the states. There won't be a Constitutional Convention, never mind any passage.

Absent from the list of ideas are:
-constructing a giant dragon out of wood and rabbit pellets and using it to scare "sleepy joe"
-interpretative dance
-hiring mike pence to squint really hard at Joe
-green algae
-wishing really really really hard (a tactic lifted from Democrats)
-lowering the age of consent
-hijacking that space laser but nobody in the GOP can code in Yiddish.


Have they tried Hopes and Prayers™?
 
2021-04-13 11:12:59 PM  

omg bbq: Three Crooked Squirrels: koder: long-shot tactics like nullification and a constitutional convention.

A constitutional convention isn't as long-shot as we'd like to believe, now that conservatives are mobilizing to rig all of our elections even moreso.  They control a dangerous number of states already, which is why fixing the Senate by admitting states goes hand in hand with preventing the creation of Gilead.

Umm. A Constitutional Convention only gets called when two thirds of the Congress and then two thirds of the states agree. And then only gets passed with three quarters of the states. There won't be a Constitutional Convention, never mind any passage.

Absent from the list of ideas are:
-constructing a giant dragon out of wood and rabbit pellets and using it to scare "sleepy joe"
-interpretative dance
-hiring mike pence to squint really hard at Joe
-green algae
-wishing really really really hard (a tactic lifted from Democrats)
-lowering the age of consent
-hijacking that space laser but nobody in the GOP can code in Yiddish.


They don't need to hijack the space laser... They just need to find a way to cultivate the Shabbos goyim stationed there to their side. Bacon cheeseburgers might help, because I don't think those are offered in the mess there.
 
2021-04-13 11:16:32 PM  
By the CBO which refuses to consider such things?  That's rich.  I'm pretty sure that's the whole defense, right there in that article.
 
2021-04-13 11:18:35 PM  

Kick The Chair: edmo: The only people on this entire planet that want more climate change are American conservatives.

I guess they don't give a fark about their grandkids


Their grandkids will inherent billions tax-free and have luxury mine-shafts to live in.

It's your grandkids they don't give a fark about.
 
2021-04-13 11:18:44 PM  
So they want to go to court to demand he Executive branch don't do 'thinking' and 'studying'?

Good luck with that you maroons
 
2021-04-13 11:37:24 PM  
Are Stephen, William, and Daniel also in on the secret plan?
 
2021-04-13 11:38:49 PM  

pehvbot: omg bbq: Three Crooked Squirrels: koder: long-shot tactics like nullification and a constitutional convention.

A constitutional convention isn't as long-shot as we'd like to believe, now that conservatives are mobilizing to rig all of our elections even moreso.  They control a dangerous number of states already, which is why fixing the Senate by admitting states goes hand in hand with preventing the creation of Gilead.

Umm. A Constitutional Convention only gets called when two thirds of the Congress and then two thirds of the states agree. And then only gets passed with three quarters of the states. There won't be a Constitutional Convention, never mind any passage.

Absent from the list of ideas are:
• constructing a giant dragon out of wood and rabbit pellets and using it to scare "sleepy joe"
• interpretative dance
• hiring mike pence to squint really hard at Joe
• green algae
• wishing really really really hard (a tactic lifted from Democrats)
• lowering the age of consent
• hijacking that space laser but nobody in the GOP can code in Yiddish.

Have they tried Hopes and Prayers™?

twat_waffle: They don't need to hijack the space laser. They just need to find a way to cultivate the Shabbos goyim stationed there to their side. Bacon cheeseburgers might help, because I don't think those are offered in the mess there.

All of you mocking koder. you're wrong and Three Crooked Squirrels especially.

Congress has no say in a Constitutional Convention. You're thinking of the usual way for ordinary Constitutional Amendments, which is a different thing entirely. A Constitutional Convention only requires a ⅔ supermajority of State legislatures and nobody else. They do have to apply to Congress, but nothing in there says that Congress has to approve it. It's just a formal notification.

We celebrated sending Trump packing and Mitch back to Senate Minority Status while kinda-sorta holding on to the House majority, and for good reason, but we lost a both-chambers-Democratically-controlle​d State legislature to both-chambers-GOP control. They had 30 before (a ⅗ supermajority), thanks to the 2018 midterms which pulled us back some (but nowhere near enough) from a terrifying brink when they had 33 (what is ⅔ of 50 states? Do the math) during Trump's first two years. Now they have 31. They need three more. Just three. They gained eleven, about ½ of which were fully Democratic controlled (both chambers) before, in just the 2010 midterms (aka the Great Shellacking).

If we don't get off our duffs and focus on State legislature elections at least as much as we do the House and Senate in 2022, and those and the Presidency in 2024, and in all such elections thereafter, we stand in dire jeopardy of losing the Constitution. Especially since we just had a Census which means that Congressional and State legislature districts are about to be redrawn for the next decade, and guess who gets to do the redrawing? Mostly State legislatures, and they have 31 of those now. We really needed to flip some of those and we failed to flip a single one, or even one chamber. Instead, they flipped a state legislature.

What can a Constitutional Convention do? Under Article Ⅴ of the Constitution, they can submit Amendments directly to the States for ratification, bypassing Congress. It's the second method of doing so, and so far hasn't happened yet so there's no real precedent for that. For that, the Amendments would need to be ratified by ¾ of the State legislatures (or ratifying Conventions in ¾ of the States, which has happened a time or two), just like the ones done through Congress. If they just do this, it's called am Article ⅔ Convention of States, not a full-fledged Constitutional Convention. This is how they're selling it: they "just" want to pass a handful of "Liberty Amendments" to use Mark Levin's term (and the title of the book he wrote promoting this).

But the other thing a Constitutional Convention can do is to repeal the previous form of government entirely and replace it with something else. That's how we got the Constitution in the first place: Shays's Rebellion convinced many that the Articles of Confederation (AoC) were too weak, and that they needed fixing. Under Article ⅩⅢ of the AoC, proposed Amendments required unanimous ratification from all of the States. A Convention was called in 1787 to propose some Amendments, but what happened next was basically a successful coup ― the AoC was repealed on the spot, and a Constitution was debated and drafted and sent to the States for ratification.

This next bit is critical: the ratification rules required for the new Constitution to be ratified were specified in the Constitution! The AoC Article ⅩⅢrules were overridden by new rules in Article Ⅶ of the proposed Constitution, and yet that shouldn't've been possible! By all rational sense, how could the Constitution's Article Ⅶ ratification rules (requiring a mere nine States, a ¾ supermajority of the twelve States that'd sent delegates to the Convention [Rhode Island was bitterly opposed to this and didn't send any delegates out of protest, so they were discounted from the number needed for ratification even under the proposed Constitution's Article Ⅶ]) override the AoC's rules requiring unanimous ratification (all thirteen States) before the Constitution including its Article Ⅶ was ratified (by either rules) and thus in effect!?

And yet, that's what they did, and that's the one and only precedent we have for this. As soon as they got their ninth state, they immediately began implementing the new federal government structure. The unicameral Congress of the Confederation met for the last time to say "thanks for your service, now gedouttahere" to the last President of the United States in Congress Assembled (a ceremonial position with virtually no real power, basically acting as a parliamentarian), upon which it disbanded itself. Elections were held for the new House of Representatives and the President of the United States using Electors and Senators appointed by legislatures of States that'd ratified the Constitution. Those Electors each cast one vote for George Washington and another for someone else and most of those were for John Adams, making Washington the unanimously elected first President and Adams the first V.P. Those states that hadn't ratified yet (the aforementioned Rhode Island, as well as North Carolina and New York [they'd technically ratified but there was still dispute over it] didn't get to participate in the first Electoral College election.

Again: under the AoC ⅩⅢ no part of the Constitution including its Ⅶ should've gone into effect until all thirteen states had ratified it! But they went ahead and did it anyway when they got that ninth state, as if its own Article Ⅶ were already in effect before being ratified!

If the Convention of States goes runaway, going beyond merely proposing Amendments and instead becomes a full-fledged Constitutional Convention and does a 1787-style repeal-and-replace, the ¾ supermajority for ratification provided in Article Ⅴ of the current Constitution goes out the window with the rest of it even before whatever they replaced it with gets ratified, just as happened with AoC ⅩⅢ in 1787! They can set whatever ratification rules they want, just as happened in 1787. Since they'd already have ⅔ of the States to even have the Convention in the first place, they could simply say that that's all that's needed to ratify it.

What could the replacement Constitution (or whatever they decide to call it) do? Anything they want, within the laws of physics. Anything at all. They can simply make it be the Law of Moses combined with Ayn Rand. They could simply say that corporations are the government. Instead of one-person one-vote, they could make elections like a shareholder's meeting: one vote per share of stock. They can deny citizenship itself to non-Christians, or even non-Dominionists. They can redefine "child abuse: to include teaching children real history and science or doing anything to cause them to question the existence of God (abuse of a child's soul,, which they'd consider far worse than mere sexual abuse of a child). And they can make sure that there can never be any other Convention of States or Amendments at all, so that their great Godly work of Christian Capitalism (fascism) can never be undone.

Make no mistake: this is their endgame that they've been playing towards all along dating back to at least the latter ½ of the 20th Century, and they're waaay too close to being able to actually pull it off. If 2022 goes only ⅓ as badly for us as 2010 did, that's it. Game over. Forever Permanently and irrevocably. The movement to do this is very well funded, backed by Koch and Mercer money. Either one of the Kochs alone could lose the equivalent of everything George Soros owns in a single game of poker, and still like the guy who won it (with apologies to Orson Scott Card and Farker Abner Doon). The two together were richer even than Bill Gates at his peak (they split their wealth evenly to hide this fact, but theirs was the greatest fortune on the planet [other than perhaps some heads of state which Forbes doesn't even try to estimate], greater even than Gates during the height of Microsoft).

So sure are they that they're actually going to pull this off that they held a practice Convention of States back in late September of 2016, before they were just one state legislative chamber away which happened with the November election. The first day of the Convention is on YouTube as a seven-hour video. They call this movement "The Convention of States Project."
 
2021-04-14 12:45:16 AM  
 
2021-04-14 2:40:20 AM  

New Rising Sun: edmo: The only people on this entire planet that want more climate change are American conservatives.

Not so fast.  Spain's answer to the GOP, the Vox party (no joke, I've seen them use the slogan 'Make Spain Great Again' written in English ), was the sole opposition to the new climate change legislation they just passed last week.  I don't know the ins and outs of the law, but the blurbs in the news make it sound pretty standard emissions reduction, removing incentives for fossil fuels, etc.  Regardless, you can sleep well knowing that conservatives are on the wrong side of this issue, and loudly, over there too.


And the current Australian Prime Minister once showed his stupid climate change denial by virtue signalling to other deniers when he brought a lump of coal into our Federal Parliament.

Scott Morrison Brings in Lump of Coal Into House of Representatives
Youtube ea5bOaPkZpc
 
2021-04-14 3:25:56 AM  

Peter Weyland: [YouTube video: The West Wing Secret plan to fight inflation]


That was one of the greatest episodes of a very great show.
 
2021-04-14 4:41:57 AM  
Typical American thinking.  Short term profits above all else.  If they were smart, they'd heavily invest in renewables.  But, since their median age is 70, they know that they won't live ling enough to see it pay off.
 
2021-04-14 5:23:40 AM  
Capitalism i.e. unchecked greed will be humanities great filter.

I wonder if it's a common one in the universe?
 
2021-04-14 6:13:33 AM  

baron von doodle: edmo: The only people on this entire planet that want more climate change are American conservatives.

I don't think that is the motive. I used to think it was big business. It's not that either.

The GQP has no plan planks. All they and their constituents want is to shut down/ deride their opponents. That's all they have left.


That's the rank and file. The people actually running things want all the money, and don't care how many people get hurt on the way.
 
2021-04-14 6:16:58 AM  

LrdPhoenix: LrdPhoenix: It is worth noting that Republicans currently control 30 out of 50 state legislatures, they only need 4 more to bump it up over 66%.

And they'd need 8 more to get over 75% and do practically whatever they want, but that's a pretty unlikely scenario, as is getting 4 more to get over 66.66%.


You know what else was a pretty unlikely scenario? Trump becoming President.
 
2021-04-14 6:18:22 AM  

gaspode: So they want to go to court to demand he Executive branch don't do 'thinking' and 'studying'?

Good luck with that you maroons


McConnell didn't get all those judges appointed for nothing.
 
2021-04-14 6:28:50 AM  
Wait, so their plan is to modify the Constitution to literally say "fark the Earth?"
 
2021-04-14 7:42:41 AM  

koder: long-shot tactics like nullification and a constitutional convention.

A constitutional convention isn't as long-shot as we'd like to believe, now that conservatives are mobilizing to rig all of our elections even moreso.  They control a dangerous number of states already, which is why fixing the Senate by admitting states goes hand in hand with preventing the creation of Gilead.


Better voting in 2016 could have helped prevent this if people Had voted in more local dems. Same in 2010, and frankly 2020.
 
2021-04-14 1:11:47 PM  
I liked it better when the 'Secret Plan' was to have the UN build a secret moon colony.
 
2021-04-14 8:25:10 PM  

edmo: The only people on this entire planet that want more climate change are American conservatives.


Russian oligarchs too. Their main/only export is oil and gas, and siberia will make good farmland when it gets warm enough.

If american farm land dries up they could make a lot on timber and ag as well as oil and gas.
 
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