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1260 clicks; posted to STEM » on 13 Apr 2021 at 9:57 PM (5 weeks ago)   |   Favorite    |   share:  Share on Twitter share via Email Share on Facebook



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2021-04-13 11:32:38 PM  
That's my browser!

/kind of like a sportsball team for nerds.
 
2021-04-13 11:35:55 PM  

wax_on: That's my browser!

/kind of like a sportsball team for nerds.


I use Brave as well. :D
 
2021-04-13 11:50:39 PM  
Brave has been my default browser for years, on every device I own. Besides improved privacy it's also the fastest browser I've found.
 
2021-04-14 12:44:05 AM  
I misread the headline.
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2021-04-14 1:02:34 AM  

Stile4aly: I misread the headline.[Fark user image image 425x356]


That would put quite the interesting trifecta in play
 
2021-04-14 1:31:19 AM  
Law enforcement will use being placed into a cohort as grounds to investigate everyone in the cohort because of something one of them did.  They will claim it's analytical evidence of likelihood everyone in the cohort is guilty of similar crimes.  It will be terrible.  And the general public will go along with it because they can't be bothered to spend five minutes learning about something that directly impacts their rights as citizens.  I'm calling it now.
 
2021-04-14 1:34:42 AM  
Wait, are farkers allowed to use brave?  Wasn't it created by a guy from Firefox that got canceled for having anti gay marriage views.  Also he is an anti masker.

We should all be using the new edge browser based on chromium.  It is preferred by those who are with the program.
 
2021-04-14 2:16:27 AM  
 
2021-04-14 3:15:26 AM  
Oh humans....so stupid about everything

Because you can almost be 100% sure that the idiot who wrote this and compared a cookie tracker v2 to "walking into a store that knows how you shop" also uses a loyalty card when they do grocery shopping


So the store they shop at already does know everything about their habits, but thats ok because reasons that are magically different from why its not ok for someone ELSE to know how they shop
 
2021-04-14 3:32:01 AM  

lifeslammer: Oh humans....so stupid about everything

Because you can almost be 100% sure that the idiot who wrote this and compared a cookie tracker v2 to "walking into a store that knows how you shop" also uses a loyalty card when they do grocery shopping


So the store they shop at already does know everything about their habits, but thats ok because reasons that are magically different from why its not ok for someone ELSE to know how they shop


It's a matter of consent.
 
2021-04-14 6:10:38 AM  

lifeslammer: Oh humans....so stupid about everything

Because you can almost be 100% sure that the idiot who wrote this and compared a cookie tracker v2 to "walking into a store that knows how you shop" also uses a loyalty card when they do grocery shopping


Wouldn't be so sure about that. There are a surprising number of internet tough guys who get all hot and bothered about grocery store loyalty cards.
 
2021-04-14 7:27:42 AM  

AmbassadorBooze: Firefox


no one Blocks like FireFox with Ublock Origin, Privacy Badger, and HTTPS Everywhere.
that and configuring FF settings properly.

FireFox has always been the most secure Open Source browser around.

unless you want to surf using the command line.
 
2021-04-14 7:54:22 AM  

lifeslammer: Oh humans....so stupid about everything

Because you can almost be 100% sure that the idiot who wrote this and compared a cookie tracker v2 to "walking into a store that knows how you shop" also uses a loyalty card when they do grocery shopping


So the store they shop at already does know everything about their habits, but thats ok because reasons that are magically different from why its not ok for someone ELSE to know how they shop


If the grocery store loyalty card also knows where you shop for pron, which news channels you read, and all the websites you visit, then yes.  But loyalty cards don't work that way.
 
2021-04-14 8:26:25 AM  
I tired Brave for a minute, but my primary driver is Opera. Does anyone have a good amount of time on both that can comment on speed? One big thing I like in Opera is the youtube ad skipping.

/Manjaro Stable, 5.4, Gnome, Intel
 
2021-04-14 8:28:33 AM  

HawkEyes: Law enforcement will use being placed into a cohort as grounds to investigate everyone in the cohort because of something one of them did.  They will claim it's analytical evidence of likelihood everyone in the cohort is guilty of similar crimes.  It will be terrible.  And the general public will go along with it because they can't be bothered to spend five minutes learning about something that directly impacts their rights as citizens.  I'm calling it now.


I could see that happening down the line. It will probably start on the Federal level, possibly with NSA warrants so the targets have no clue. A few high profile, undesirable targets later, LE has public "acceptance".
 
2021-04-14 9:22:23 AM  
HoTY nomination
 
2021-04-14 9:48:15 AM  

dukeblue219: lifeslammer: Oh humans....so stupid about everything

Because you can almost be 100% sure that the idiot who wrote this and compared a cookie tracker v2 to "walking into a store that knows how you shop" also uses a loyalty card when they do grocery shopping

Wouldn't be so sure about that. There are a surprising number of internet tough guys who get all hot and bothered about grocery store loyalty cards.


I sign up for those with a fake phone number and they don't get so much as an accurate zip code out of me.

Unfortunately, these same stores have credit card info... Which raises the question if why they need their own loyalty cards in the first place. They can already track your purchases.
 
2021-04-14 9:52:49 AM  

leeksfromchichis: lifeslammer: Oh humans....so stupid about everything

Because you can almost be 100% sure that the idiot who wrote this and compared a cookie tracker v2 to "walking into a store that knows how you shop" also uses a loyalty card when they do grocery shopping


So the store they shop at already does know everything about their habits, but thats ok because reasons that are magically different from why its not ok for someone ELSE to know how they shop

It's a matter of consent.


That is a substantial difference... If the store needs the loyalty program to track you. They do have your credit card info across purchases, no?

Not to get conspiracy theory on you, but are we sure the loyalty program provides them anything extra other than maybe associating family member purchases together? Your Address and Phone Number if you give it to them, I suppose. Maybe track you across more than 1 card or if you pay cash... But that's not a common scenario.
 
2021-04-14 10:51:49 AM  

lifeslammer: Oh humans....so stupid about everything

Because you can almost be 100% sure that the idiot who wrote this and compared a cookie tracker v2 to "walking into a store that knows how you shop" also uses a loyalty card when they do grocery shopping


So the store they shop at already does know everything about their habits, but thats ok because reasons that are magically different from why its not ok for someone ELSE to know how they shop


What I do in the grocery store is vastly different than what I do on the internet. If that isn't true for you, you are going to have a bad day fairly soon.
 
2021-04-14 12:37:51 PM  

notmyjab: lifeslammer: Oh humans....so stupid about everything

Because you can almost be 100% sure that the idiot who wrote this and compared a cookie tracker v2 to "walking into a store that knows how you shop" also uses a loyalty card when they do grocery shopping


So the store they shop at already does know everything about their habits, but thats ok because reasons that are magically different from why its not ok for someone ELSE to know how they shop

If the grocery store loyalty card also knows where you shop for pron, which news channels you read, and all the websites you visit, then yes.  But loyalty cards don't work that way.


But it doesn't share your actual browsing habits. Your habits put you in a cohort and you are identified by your cohort only. How else do you think that the only ads I see are related to my interests.

For example, these are the ads that Fark is showing me on this page right now:

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All four are products / services that I would actually be interested in. If ads are going to pay for content isn't it a good thing that they can be targeted at the viewer?
 
2021-04-14 2:17:23 PM  

Quantumbunny: dukeblue219: lifeslammer: Oh humans....so stupid about everything

Because you can almost be 100% sure that the idiot who wrote this and compared a cookie tracker v2 to "walking into a store that knows how you shop" also uses a loyalty card when they do grocery shopping

Wouldn't be so sure about that. There are a surprising number of internet tough guys who get all hot and bothered about grocery store loyalty cards.

I sign up for those with a fake phone number and they don't get so much as an accurate zip code out of me.

Unfortunately, these same stores have credit card info... Which raises the question if why they need their own loyalty cards in the first place. They can already track your purchases.



They could track my purchases by the core items I by.  I'm pretty I buy a combination of 4 things that nobody else does.  Kind of like your browser fingerprint.
 
2021-04-14 2:38:17 PM  

notmyjab: If the grocery store loyalty card also knows where you shop for pron, which news channels you read, and all the websites you visit, then yes. But loyalty cards don't work that way.


There are a bunch of different datasets about you, of course... but it's really hard to keep them from being linked together.  It only takes one "overlap" between datasets (like using a credit card at the same time as your loyalty card) to link the two, and the link only has to happen once and is known from then on by both datasets.

It's especially difficult to avoid now that things like "your phone knows where you are" happen all the time.  Your location could be correlated with your loyalty card use even if you paid cash.

Worse, there are just so many layers of data that no matter how well you think you're hiding, you're probably not hiding at all.  Let's say you use cash AND leave your phone at home, and you filled in entirely fake info for your loyalty card-- you could still be linked via an automatic license-plate reader database, a facial recognition system, or any number of other things.  So you ride your bike to the store, and wear a facemask, and don't carry your phone, and pay cash... and you might hold it off for a while.  Until you're carded buying booze, or forget cash even a single time.  It only takes once, and suddenly "loyalty card user #10100044872" is fully identified, and now that dataset is just one more in the pile that are already linked to you.
 
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