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(Al Jazeera)   Apparently unwilling to wait for Godzilla to evolve naturally, Japan plans to release a million tons of radioactive Fukushima water into the ocean   (aljazeera.com) divider line
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2021-04-13 3:39:07 PM  
They've been training for kaiju for two and a half generations. You can't blame them for wanting to see mecha in the streets.
 
2021-04-13 7:22:36 PM  
Oh Japan
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2021-04-13 7:23:12 PM  
Nice headline but they are actually going to slowly release it slowly over time rather than in one big Subby's mom sploosh.
 
2021-04-13 7:24:24 PM  
I'd rather lick the elephant's foot than live downwind from a coal plant.
 
2021-04-13 7:29:08 PM  
The ocean already contains a quintillion tons of radioactive water.
 
2021-04-13 7:29:15 PM  
Godzilla never evolved naturally (in its monster form), it developed from a release of radiation into the ocean (from nuclear testing).
 
2021-04-13 7:35:29 PM  
Is there a way they could point in the general direction of Pyongyang instead?
 
2021-04-13 7:36:59 PM  
Japan to release contaminated Fukushima water fart into sea the elevator.
 
2021-04-13 7:38:08 PM  
So what? There is already a lot of naturally occurring Potassium 40 in seawater. In fact combined with Carbon14, there is almost 20000 Bq of naturally occurring radioactive isotopes in every human body.
 
2021-04-13 7:43:54 PM  
Well. Guess the ocean is Fuk'ed.
 
2021-04-13 7:45:49 PM  
Yeah, it really doesn't matter. They're filtering out as much of the heavy radionuclides as they can and then maybe the plan will use a pipe that stretches a few miles out to sea. Pump the water for disposal into that pipe mixed with lots of sea water from close to shore, and it will be a plume of water that disperses in the currents.
 
2021-04-13 7:47:02 PM  
Another plan might be to build the equivalent of a huge oil tanker, but use it to transport the contaminated water. Fill the tanker, then take it several hundred miles offshore, and spend the next couple days pumping the water overboard as the tanker takes some turns in a racetrack pattern or whatever.
 
2021-04-13 7:49:37 PM  
I think it might be time to start thinking about what kind of world we are going to leave Keith Richards.
 
2021-04-13 7:54:29 PM  
WTF do the Japanese and North Koreans know about that part of the Pacific that we don't? Goddamn they're both going hard as hell against it.
 
2021-04-13 7:58:33 PM  
Couldn't they at least put in an intermediary public pool between the ocean so that I may harvest that sweet tritium before it goes to waste?
 
2021-04-13 8:03:44 PM  

mrmopar5287: Another plan might be to build the equivalent of a huge oil tanker, but use it to transport the contaminated water. Fill the tanker, then take it several hundred miles offshore, and spend the next couple days pumping the water overboard as the tanker takes some turns in a racetrack pattern or whatever.


Only if they agree to fill the tanker with Pacific plastic waste before they return.
 
2021-04-13 8:06:42 PM  
That's... not actually that much water.  A cubic metre of water weighs a tonne, yeah.  It's about 400 Olympic standard swimming pools.

Not saying it's a grand idea, mind you.
 
2021-04-13 8:21:16 PM  

deffuse: That's... not actually that much water.  A cubic metre of water weighs a tonne, yeah.  It's about 400 Olympic standard swimming pools.

Not saying it's a grand idea, mind you.


A Tonne for a cubic meter of water is too easy. What is it in pounds per cubic yard for our unit challenged American friends?
 
2021-04-13 8:21:24 PM  
Maybe someone should dive around playing Zilla noises on speakers. Late at night.
 
2021-04-13 8:21:49 PM  

joeflood: I'd rather lick the elephant's foot than live downwind from a coal plant.


Yeah, the radiation from the coal and the ash is about 100 times what is in this water.*

PSA: if you are worried about radiation, do not eat bananas, sleep with anyone, fly, breath or live above ground.

*Why yes, I'm a trained radiation worker.
 
2021-04-13 8:30:37 PM  

natazha: joeflood: I'd rather lick the elephant's foot than live downwind from a coal plant.

Yeah, the radiation from the coal and the ash is about 100 times what is in this water.*

PSA: if you are worried about radiation, do not eat bananas, sleep with anyone, fly, breath or live above ground.

*Why yes, I'm a trained radiation worker.



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2021-04-13 8:33:23 PM  

Pointy Tail of Satan: deffuse: That's... not actually that much water.  A cubic metre of water weighs a tonne, yeah.  It's about 400 Olympic standard swimming pools.

Not saying it's a grand idea, mind you.

A Tonne for a cubic meter of water is too easy. What is it in pounds per cubic yard for our unit challenged American friends?


1686 pounds per cubic yard.   Which, according to Wolfram Alpha, is approximately 1.1 dairy cows or 8.7 average American males.
 
2021-04-13 8:36:10 PM  
Filtering out everything else but the tritium is a good idea, and not a big technical challenge except for the volume to be processed. The article failed to mention how much tritium would be left. After processing the TMI-2 Accident water, we were left with about about a million gallons of drinking-water quality water. Call it 55 metric tons. Even the tritium level was below the EPA limits. But were we allowed to dump it in the Susquehanna? Oh heck no - downstream users objected because it was "accident water". So we boiled it off at a few gallons per minute . . . to the atmosphere.

Since most of the Fukushima water leaked into the plant, I can't imagine that the tritium level in 1 million tonnes of Fukushima water is higher than ours was. Enlighten me, if thou hast data. So tell Korea and China to pound sand, and dump it (after cleanup, with appropriate monitoring) into the Pacific.
 
2021-04-13 8:40:23 PM  

plutoniumfeather: But were we allowed to dump it in the Susquehanna? Oh heck no - downstream users objected because it was "accident water".


Should have done the easy thing and had another "accident" that released the water.
 
2021-04-13 8:42:49 PM  

deffuse: That's... not actually that much water.  A cubic metre of water weighs a tonne, yeah.  It's about 400 Olympic standard swimming pools.

Not saying it's a grand idea, mind you.


Yeah...I'm wondering what's up with this particular plan, for two reasons:

1. They have use of nuclear waste disposal sites. Instead of using them, for as you said a finite amount of water, they're openly pissing off at least two other nations. That seems like a political fight that's totally unnecessary.

2. If this is safe and workable, why isn't Japan providing some proof instead of just saying 'we're following guidelines' over and over? Sure, it might be obvious to them, but clearly other governments--and random yahoos wondering if fish from Japan is safe--could use some evidence, so what's the harm providing it?

I mean, maybe it's America's long history of dumping toxic waste where people live and not caring because they're poor or brown talking. But that just seems weird, and radiation's half-life is not a thing you want to f*ck with.
 
2021-04-13 8:43:53 PM  

plutoniumfeather: So we boiled it off at a few gallons per minute


If you had just pumped it into the sewer system at a rate of a few gallons per minute, would anyone have noticed?
 
2021-04-13 8:44:57 PM  

It'sMorphin'Time: If this is safe and workable, why isn't Japan providing some proof instead of just saying 'we're following guidelines' over and over? Sure, it might be obvious to them, but clearly other governments--and random yahoos wondering if fish from Japan is safe--could use some evidence, so what's the harm providing it?


The proof is already out there. Hundreds of other nuclear power plants around the world dispose of water with tritium by dumping it into rivers, lakes, oceans, etc. It's already done for decades and it doesn't matter.
 
2021-04-13 8:47:32 PM  

Pointy Tail of Satan: deffuse: That's... not actually that much water.  A cubic metre of water weighs a tonne, yeah.  It's about 400 Olympic standard swimming pools.

Not saying it's a grand idea, mind you.

A Tonne for a cubic meter of water is too easy. What is it in pounds per cubic yard for our unit challenged American friends?


Cubic rods or hogshead only
 
2021-04-13 8:49:14 PM  
What about Rhode Islands per breadbox?
 
2021-04-13 8:51:08 PM  

mrmopar5287: plutoniumfeather: But were we allowed to dump it in the Susquehanna? Oh heck no - downstream users objected because it was "accident water".

Should have done the easy thing and had another "accident" that released the water.


Bottle it and sell it to morans as

(a) Activated Cosmic Water
and
(b) Ultra Tritium Hydration Xtreme

/for different moran species
 
2021-04-13 8:57:35 PM  

It'sMorphin'Time: They have use of nuclear waste disposal sites. Instead of using them, for as you said a finite amount of water, they're openly pissing off at least two other nations. That seems like a political fight that's totally unnecessary.


This is a huge amount of water to transport to some site and store it for no reason at all. It's not "nuclear waste" as is currently regulated, so there is zero reason to keep it anywhere.
 
2021-04-13 8:58:16 PM  

qorkfiend: Pointy Tail of Satan: deffuse: That's... not actually that much water.  A cubic metre of water weighs a tonne, yeah.  It's about 400 Olympic standard swimming pools.

Not saying it's a grand idea, mind you.

A Tonne for a cubic meter of water is too easy. What is it in pounds per cubic yard for our unit challenged American friends?

Cubic rods or hogshead only


3.207 Hogheads per cubic yard of water :)
 
2021-04-13 8:59:03 PM  

Monkeyfark Ridiculous: Bottle it and sell it to morans as

(a) Activated Cosmic Water
and
(b) Ultra Tritium Hydration Xtreme


https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Raditho​r

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2021-04-13 9:10:58 PM  
Again?
 
2021-04-13 9:17:54 PM  
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That reminds me..i wonder how our nuclear waste disposal sites in new mexico are holding up...?
 
2021-04-13 9:31:33 PM  

mrmopar5287: Another plan might be to build the equivalent of a huge oil tanker, but use it to transport the contaminated water. Fill the tanker, then take it several hundred miles offshore, and spend the next couple days pumping the water overboard as the tanker takes some turns in a racetrack pattern or whatever.


If it had a half mile deep hose then maybe. Maybe we're just hosed.
 
2021-04-13 9:34:02 PM  

It'sMorphin'Time: 2. If this is safe and workable, why isn't Japan providing some proof instead of just saying 'we're following guidelines' over and over? Sure, it might be obvious to them, but clearly other governments--and random yahoos wondering if fish from Japan is safe--could use some evidence, so what's the harm providing it?


There's no real point to providing it; it will never be accepted by China/Korea. They'd just complain over some thing, stall, etc. all to harass Japan.
 
2021-04-13 9:38:15 PM  

It'sMorphin'Time: But that just seems weird, and radiation's half-life is not a thing you want to f*ck with.


Tritium's half life is about 12 years. The beta radiation it produces is very weak and it doesn't bio-accumulate. It's also produced naturally by cosmic radiation hitting our atmosphere.
 
2021-04-13 9:41:23 PM  

RedVentrue: If it had a half mile deep hose then maybe


Irrelevant. Just pump it overboard like bilge water and it will mix with the rest of the Pacific.
 
2021-04-13 9:43:57 PM  
They're just looking for more characters for Godzilla vs <what's next> movies.
 
2021-04-13 10:17:25 PM  

Pointy Tail of Satan: So what? There is already a lot of naturally occurring Potassium 40 in seawater. In fact combined with Carbon14, there is almost 20000 Bq of naturally occurring radioactive isotopes in every human body.


Stop trying to date everybody. Fark is not your personal erotica forum.
 
2021-04-13 10:32:13 PM  

mrmopar5287: plutoniumfeather: So we boiled it off at a few gallons per minute

If you had just pumped it into the sewer system at a rate of a few gallons per minute, would anyone have noticed?


I told Dad about what we were doing. He suggested that instead, the employees just take a bucket home every day and dump the bucket down a drain. The senior plant manager to whom I mentioned this (who's anonymity I shall otherwise preserve) was also amused. Needless to say, the boiler kept running.
 
2021-04-13 10:37:35 PM  
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Maybe they could bottle it and sell super hero power kits?
 
2021-04-13 10:42:12 PM  

Monkeyfark Ridiculous: natazha: joeflood: I'd rather lick the elephant's foot than live downwind from a coal plant.

Yeah, the radiation from the coal and the ash is about 100 times what is in this water.*

PSA: if you are worried about radiation, do not eat bananas, sleep with anyone, fly, breath or live above ground.

*Why yes, I'm a trained radiation worker.


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Hey cool, I'm on a chart.
 
2021-04-13 10:59:35 PM  

mrmopar5287: Monkeyfark Ridiculous: Bottle it and sell it to morans as

(a) Activated Cosmic Water
and
(b) Ultra Tritium Hydration Xtreme

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Radithor

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Radithor was manufactured from 1918 to 1928 by the Bailey Radium Laboratories, Inc., of East Orange, New Jersey


Well that explains a lot.
 
2021-04-13 11:23:41 PM  
Let's be honest here.  The reason they built the plant so close to the ocean was so that if anything went wrong, they could just bulldoze the whole thing into the ocean.
 
2021-04-13 11:24:56 PM  

mrmopar5287: Another plan might be to build the equivalent of a huge oil tanker, but use it to transport the contaminated water. Fill the tanker, then take it several hundred miles offshore, and spend the next couple days pumping the water overboard as the tanker takes some turns in a racetrack pattern or whatever.


Ah, so the solution to pollution is dilution. Neat, so the entire planets problems can be solved with this one simple technique!
 
2021-04-13 11:28:54 PM  

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That reminds me..i wonder how our nuclear waste disposal sites in new mexico are holding up...?


Don't  forget giant Gila monsters.
 
2021-04-13 11:34:45 PM  

the unabomber was right: Ah, so the solution to pollution is dilution. Neat, so the entire planets problems can be solved with this one simple technique!


We've been using it for years already, and you can't notice a thing, can you?
Nature is healing.

/ books another trip to Patagonia.
 
2021-04-13 11:45:02 PM  

the unabomber was right: Ah, so the solution to pollution slightly radioactive water is dilution. Neat, so the entire planets problems can be solved with this one simple technique!


Yes
 
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