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(Phoenix New Times)   Phoenix police shut down weekly outdoor concert series held by couple in front yard of their home. Couple insists it's because of "just a few people who are apparently unhappy" and not because of "noise, safety, parking, [and] alcohol consumption"   (phoenixnewtimes.com) divider line
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TWX [TotalFark]
2021-04-12 5:07:54 PM  
FTFA: On April 8, during a virtual meeting of the Willo Neighborhood Association Board - 528 Live is located in Willo, at 541 West Palm Lane - a discussion took place regarding concerns about the free weekly outdoor concerts that Daniels and her partner, Nick Harper, have been holding in their front yard for about a year. The shows, which usually draw fewer than 100 people each week, typically feature local musicians.

Daniels and Harper say they weren't aware of the discussion.

"It was not a topic on the agenda, or we definitely would have been there for that," Harper tells Phoenix New Times by phone.

Daniels adds: "No one told us. No one invited us. No one said, 'Hey, heads-up. People are going to talk about you guys, do you want to come and defend yourselves?' Nobody's knocked on our door, nobody has said anything negative at all."


Phoenix has zoning. There are limits as to what one is allowed to do with/on one's property.  Phoenix also has loitering laws and laws about alcohol consumption in public places.

Activities that regularly inconvenience a neighborhood are subject to being shut down, especially in congested neighborhoods like Willo.  Back when the Willow House coffee shop was in the neighborhood, a venue that would usually have less than half that number of people at any given point, it was already a headache for the otherwise residential neighborhood, and that was with the clientele going inside the building.

So I'm not surprised that a regular venue that consists of a front porch and yard plus the public roadway ends up attracting enough attention to be shut down.  Having a huge party once or twice a year?  The neighbors will probably put up with that.  Make it monthly and they probably won't.
 
2021-04-12 9:02:40 PM  

TWX: FTFA: On April 8, during a virtual meeting of the Willo Neighborhood Association Board - 528 Live is located in Willo, at 541 West Palm Lane - a discussion took place regarding concerns about the free weekly outdoor concerts that Daniels and her partner, Nick Harper, have been holding in their front yard for about a year. The shows, which usually draw fewer than 100 people each week, typically feature local musicians.

Daniels and Harper say they weren't aware of the discussion.

"It was not a topic on the agenda, or we definitely would have been there for that," Harper tells Phoenix New Times by phone.

Daniels adds: "No one told us. No one invited us. No one said, 'Hey, heads-up. People are going to talk about you guys, do you want to come and defend yourselves?' Nobody's knocked on our door, nobody has said anything negative at all."

Phoenix has zoning. There are limits as to what one is allowed to do with/on one's property.  Phoenix also has loitering laws and laws about alcohol consumption in public places.

Activities that regularly inconvenience a neighborhood are subject to being shut down, especially in congested neighborhoods like Willo.  Back when the Willow House coffee shop was in the neighborhood, a venue that would usually have less than half that number of people at any given point, it was already a headache for the otherwise residential neighborhood, and that was with the clientele going inside the building.

So I'm not surprised that a regular venue that consists of a front porch and yard plus the public roadway ends up attracting enough attention to be shut down.  Having a huge party once or twice a year?  The neighbors will probably put up with that.  Make it monthly and they probably won't.


Much less weekly. They just blame it on "fun police." I'd be pissed if I had to listen to people's shiatty music every week from a live venue. Unless it's zoned for it (I doubt any place in Willo is), then the "fun police" have a legitimate gripe.
 
TWX [TotalFark]
2021-04-12 10:08:42 PM  

ecmoRandomNumbers: Much less weekly. They just blame it on "fun police." I'd be pissed if I had to listen to people's shiatty music every week from a live venue. Unless it's zoned for it (I doubt any place in Willo is), then the "fun police" have a legitimate gripe.


I missed that it was weekly somehow.  Yeah, this is not fair to their neighbors.  The formerly-residential parcel that became Willow House and then Willo House before becoming some other cafe now might be zoned for it if the music is performed indoors, but even then there are probably limits.

Public performance usually de-jure requires a permit, though sometimes they're willing to turn a blind eye to the official rules if what's being done is not causing a nuisance.  In Tempe the better part of twenty years ago we had a swing dance in the park associated with Tempe Town Lake, one guy would bring a small stereo and would DJ off of his MP3 player, he'd plug-in to an electrical recept on one of the pedestals near a large open-air concrete area that was otherwise out of the way.  One day as I was walking up after the dance had started I was passing a couple of cops and overheard them talking about it.  One had radioed-in to ask for instructions from supervisors, described the scene, and the supervisors told him to let it slide.  The music wasn't very loud, the people dancing were not interfering with the use of the park, and no one was being disruptive, so they were willing to ignore that there was no permit for amplified music.

If this couple had instead hosted their little concerts in a park and if the musicians played acoustic instruments then they would've probably been fine.  Hell, in that neighborhood the city might've been happy to accommodate.  Just don't become a nuisance to the neighbors.
 
2021-04-13 1:55:56 AM  
Phoenix police officers swooped in during a concert on April 10 and shut down the event.

This was done in accordance with Local City Ordinance #75-B which states:

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2021-04-13 2:00:20 AM  
It sounds like one of those impromptu events that was cute at first, then it got old, then it got annoying and finally someone's nap was spoiled and they said "OK, I've had it!"
 
2021-04-13 2:06:44 AM  
I would be freaking the f*ck out if any of my neighbors had music going after 8:00p.m.  These gits are having rusty trombone up and coming caterwauling bag pipers, LIVE, EVERY WEEK, FOR A YEAR!!!!

WTF. Like, the fun police?? You inconsiderate bint.

BLLLAAARRRRGGGHHHHH

I'm sending all my neighbors a nice card.
 
2021-04-13 2:14:50 AM  
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Al! [TotalFark]
2021-04-13 2:48:09 AM  
The address they're playing at is for sale, and judging by the pictures it's a typical suburban residential area, with houses less than 100 feet apart. I am a great neighbor, and I never get in my neighbor's business about anything that isn't an emergency. If my neighbor was hosting a weekly outdoor concert series, I would be forced to get in their business. It's bad enough I can hear the weekly outdoor band at the bar downtown all summer, 5 blocks away, but if that was going on every week of the year within 50 yards of my house, I'd be pissed.

To be clear, I love live music. My dog does not. That is my issue with being able to hear the bar from 5 blocks away, is that my dog flips out.
 
2021-04-13 3:01:00 AM  
This couple put on a weekly open-air concert series during COVID when all the venues were shut down.

In the suburbs, teenagers used to blast their shiatty music at all hours of the day and night all summer long (music dependent on when the parents weren't home).

In the city, I have to hear my upstairs neighbor serenade some chick he just picked up except he sucks and his band sucks and the girl has to pretend to like it so they both can get laid. I put up with it because he puts up with my parties. It's density living.

If you have a problem with other people, go live in rural bumfark Tennessee where your nearest neighbor isn't for miles.
 
2021-04-13 3:23:21 AM  
They should have waited and then worked on Porch Fest which happened while I was back in Somerville, without me even knowing about it, until I was woken up.
They may be doing one this year!
 
2021-04-13 3:27:48 AM  
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I'd hang out in her front yard.
 
2021-04-13 4:10:08 AM  
If they aren't charging and aren't selling, this might be protected speech under the first amendment.
 
2021-04-13 4:18:44 AM  

wildcardjack: If they aren't charging and aren't selling, this might be protected speech under the first amendment.


Doesn't the firsteenth amendment say I can do whatever I want at whatever inconvenience and harm to anyone else as long as I'm a good American*?  I thought that was pretty clear.


White.
 
2021-04-13 4:24:36 AM  

Abe Vigoda's Ghost: [Fark user image 441x640]

I'd hang out in her front yard.


No thanks !
 
2021-04-13 6:52:12 AM  

Abe Vigoda's Ghost: [Fark user image 441x640]

I'd hang out in her front yard.


WTF.  Is that guys beard living on the EDGE?
 
2021-04-13 6:57:58 AM  

Seasons I'v Withered: Abe Vigoda's Ghost: [Fark user image 441x640]

I'd hang out in her front yard.

WTF.  Is that guys beard living on the EDGE?


Holey Chit ,I just looked at my user name and thought of  Aerosmith ,Holy  smithereens.

Snert.
 
2021-04-13 7:24:22 AM  

Seasons I'v Withered: Abe Vigoda's Ghost: [Fark user image 441x640]

I'd hang out in her front yard.

WTF.  Is that guys beard living on the EDGE?


Gravitational pull of her breasts.
 
2021-04-13 7:45:39 AM  

Abe Vigoda's Ghost: Seasons I'v Withered: Abe Vigoda's Ghost: [Fark user image 441x640]

I'd hang out in her front yard.

WTF.  Is that guys beard living on the EDGE?

Gravitational pull of her breasts.


Holey Chit , you are right ,And by right ,You are correct
 
2021-04-13 7:51:15 AM  

fragMasterFlash: [Fark user image image 200x291]


I like how he just cannot control himself and the banjo takes control of his motor functions.
 
2021-04-13 8:02:57 AM  
Just have a few prayers and declare it a church gathering.
 
2021-04-13 8:18:20 AM  

Huck And Molly Ziegler: It sounds like one of those impromptu events that was cute at first, then it got old, then it got annoying and finally someone's nap was spoiled and they said "OK, I've had it!"


A dog barking for more than 30 seconds gets me to the "ok, I've had it" point. I understand, find a place to hold that event.
 
2021-04-13 8:46:48 AM  

misanthropicsob: This couple put on a weekly open-air concert series during COVID when all the venues were shut down.

In the suburbs, teenagers used to blast their shiatty music at all hours of the day and night all summer long (music dependent on when the parents weren't home).

In the city, I have to hear my upstairs neighbor serenade some chick he just picked up except he sucks and his band sucks and the girl has to pretend to like it so they both can get laid. I put up with it because he puts up with my parties. It's density living.

If you have a problem with other people, go live in rural bumfark Tennessee where your nearest neighbor isn't for miles.

FTA:  The original venue was the porch of the couple's home at 528 West Granada Avenue; they moved to Palm Lane last month.


So you're saying that if you live in a nice, quiet neighborhood and a couple moves in and blasts music one night a week your reaction should be "Oh why didn't I buy that beat up bungalow out where the rattlesnakes and scorpions run free?"

Whoever complained at the board meeting was perfectly within their rights.

Week 1:  That's kind of annoying.
Week 2:  Not Again!
Week 3:  Jesus...really?
Week 4:  Okay, I'm going to complain about this.

According to the article, "...the trouble began earlier last week, according to venue co-owner Alison Daniels."  Actually, the trouble began when they moved into the neighborhood.
 
2021-04-13 10:42:58 AM  

Abe Vigoda's Ghost: [Fark user image 441x640]

I'd hang out in her front yard.


Those knees are not sharp. The porch swing ride might be a little creaky though.
 
2021-04-13 12:15:54 PM  
It's almost like we have zoning laws for a reason, and that reason is to avoid a bloodbath when an angry neighbor decides to shut the concert down with gunfire.

I don't understand what people don't understand about this.
 
TWX [TotalFark]
2021-04-13 1:13:14 PM  

Smelly Pirate Hooker: It's almost like we have zoning laws for a reason, and that reason is to avoid a bloodbath when an angry neighbor decides to shut the concert down with gunfire.

I don't understand what people don't understand about this.


I think it's pretty simple.  People are inherently selfish.

Though I have a feeling that if the people commenting that this should be allowed had it set-up next door to them they'd change their opinion on the matter pretty damn quickly.

My house was built in the late seventies, and the detached workshop was built with the house.  It's plainly obvious that this property is going to see residents that work on things using power tools given this arrangement.  Even with that though, I have taken steps to quiet-down things like my air compressor so to reduce the nuisance to my neighbors, and I am willing to help them with things like airing-up tires.  I know that power tools can be loud, so I attempt to strike a balance so that my neighbors and I can remain cordial.
 
2021-04-13 8:08:08 PM  
these people just moved.  I would not be happy if they moved near me and had weekly concerts.  Also, fark those people that "like music" and thought the concerts were great.  You don't get to speak for everybody, and a couple of months ago, there was no music.

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