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(Poynter Institute)   0.0144% of those who have gotten the vaccine have come down with Covid-19. EVERYBODY PANIC   (poynter.org) divider line
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2021-04-12 4:02:49 PM  
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2021-04-12 4:05:57 PM  
I only came down with a three-day case of Shoulder Feels Like it was Hit with a Ball-Peen Hammer, which was not listed clearly on the list of side-effects for the first vaccine.

Still beats having Covid.
 
2021-04-12 4:06:44 PM  
A vaccine with 95% effective rate is really 99.9856?  Cool.
 
2021-04-12 4:12:19 PM  
Answer: the unvaccinated.

/Incidentally: how many of the infected died due to severe COVID? Probably zero, as the vaccines have been shown to also reduce severity I those that do still get it.
 
2021-04-12 4:20:46 PM  
How many of these had covid before the vaccine but only developed symptoms after?

This happens with the flu every year.  Someone notices people getting the flu so they get the shot, unware they already have it.
 
2021-04-12 4:21:44 PM  
"So you're saying there's a chance?" - LC
 
2021-04-12 4:21:58 PM  

NikolaiFarkoff: I only came down with a three-day case of Shoulder Feels Like it was Hit with a Ball-Peen Hammer, which was not listed clearly on the list of side-effects for the first vaccine.

Still beats having Covid.


Yup. Got sick the first time around, but I'm pretty sure that was food poisoning from a place we don't usually eat at.

Second shot? Sore arm for 3 days, and then nothing.
 
2021-04-12 4:22:16 PM  
People who get infected after vaccination also had significantly reduced symptoms, so even if you had it already it's worth a shot.
 
2021-04-12 4:23:25 PM  
Just get the farking shot, a-holes
 
2021-04-12 4:23:56 PM  
It's been a long week since, but I'm alive and I'll take that.
 
2021-04-12 4:24:34 PM  
Maybe I'm mistaken but I don't recall ever hearing that a vaccinated person couldn't get covid. It just keeps you from getting really sick and/or dying from it.
 
2021-04-12 4:25:00 PM  
Well, that's it, I'm just not going to go get my second dose (hopefully this afternoon).  We're all doomed, doomed I tell you!!!
 
2021-04-12 4:25:43 PM  

UltimaCS: People who get infected after vaccination also had significantly reduced symptoms, so even if you had it already it's worth a shot.


That was my understanding. If the vaccine doesn't stop you from getting the virus then it at least reduces the symptoms and effectively reduces your chance of dying to 0.
 
2021-04-12 4:27:10 PM  
TLDR: Even if you're fully vaccinated, huffing COVID-19 isn't a good idea.

Wear a mask.
 
2021-04-12 4:28:27 PM  

NikolaiFarkoff: I only came down with a three-day case of Shoulder Feels Like it was Hit with a Ball-Peen Hammer, which was not listed clearly on the list of side-effects for the first vaccine.

Still beats having Covid.


1st shot, sore arm
2nd shot, felt like crap/chills for about 18 hours.  sore arm

Both way better than sucking on a ventilator.
 
2021-04-12 4:30:13 PM  
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2021-04-12 4:30:53 PM  

enry: A vaccine with 95% effective rate is really 99.9856?  Cool.


The effectiveness rating isn't measured purely by how many people who got the vaccine end up getting the disease. It's a ratio of how many people who are vaccinated get the disease over how many people in the control sample who are unvaccinated get the disease.

Suppose there are 10,000 people in each of two buckets of a clinical trial. The first 10,000 people get vaccines. The second 10,000 people get placebos. Out of the 10,000 vaccinated people, 10 of them got COVID. Out of the 10,000 unvaccinated people, 200 got COVID. (200-10)/200 = 190/200 = 95%.
 
2021-04-12 4:31:12 PM  

nicholasneko: If the vaccine doesn't stop you from getting the virus then it at least reduces the symptoms and effectively reduces your chance of dying to 0.


I question the validity of this statement.
 
2021-04-12 4:32:20 PM  
So you mean to tell me a vaccine that is 95% effective isn't 100% effective? Does the scientific community know about this??
 
2021-04-12 4:33:04 PM  

FarkinNortherner: nicholasneko: If the vaccine doesn't stop you from getting the virus then it at least reduces the symptoms and effectively reduces your chance of dying to 0.

I question the validity of this statement.


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2021-04-12 4:33:16 PM  

blastoh: How many of these had covid before the vaccine but only developed symptoms after?


I had some nastiness the month before covid was announced - sent me to the ER, 2 weeks off work for 'viral bronchitis' which was after covid was retroactively discovered in Italy but before testable. And then 8 months of 'long covid' symptoms'. Past six months perfectly healthy until the shot, then flu-like since. Can barely get up, barely sit, barely type.
 
2021-04-12 4:33:44 PM  

Serious Black: enry: A vaccine with 95% effective rate is really 99.9856?  Cool.

The effectiveness rating isn't measured purely by how many people who got the vaccine end up getting the disease. It's a ratio of how many people who are vaccinated get the disease over how many people in the control sample who are unvaccinated get the disease.

Suppose there are 10,000 people in each of two buckets of a clinical trial. The first 10,000 people get vaccines. The second 10,000 people get placebos. Out of the 10,000 vaccinated people, 10 of them got COVID. Out of the 10,000 unvaccinated people, 200 got COVID. (200-10)/200 = 190/200 = 95%.


Thank you.  I've read several times that 95% means that you're 20 times less likely to get Covid with the vaccine, but nobody ever brokedown the math at how they arrived at that number.  This makes perfect sense.
 
2021-04-12 4:34:01 PM  
Everyone......wait.......before we do "Fark does math, statistics, and epidemiology"  give me a minute to make some popcorn.
 
2021-04-12 4:34:21 PM  

Chthonic Echoes: TLDR: Even if you're fully vaccinated, huffing COVID-19 isn't a good idea.

Wear a mask.


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2021-04-12 4:34:29 PM  

wingnut396: 1st shot, sore arm
2nd shot, felt like crap/chills for about 18 hours. sore arm

Both way better than sucking on a ventilator.


First shot I got nothing. Not even a sore arm.
Got my second shot just this morning and nothing so far. I'm a little tired but that may just be because I got up extra early this morning to go get it.
 
2021-04-12 4:35:05 PM  

wingnut396: NikolaiFarkoff: I only came down with a three-day case of Shoulder Feels Like it was Hit with a Ball-Peen Hammer, which was not listed clearly on the list of side-effects for the first vaccine.

Still beats having Covid.

1st shot, sore arm
2nd shot, felt like crap/chills for about 18 hours.  sore arm

Both way better than sucking on a ventilator.


1st shot, sore arm
2nd shot, sore arm with a huge bruise that doesn't hurt, still there a week later
 
2021-04-12 4:36:59 PM  

UltimaCS: People who get infected after vaccination also had significantly reduced symptoms, so even if you had it already it's worth a shot.


*rimshot*

But seriously, I think people (some more than others, those chuds) just have problems with uncertainty - anything that isn't 100% effective is not at all effective, everything has to be black and white with no room for gray, and so on and so on because why does life have to be so hard?

As long as I don't get full-on cognitive and respiratory issues from the 'rona, I'll take the vax.

/even with the dizzy spells
//not blood-pressure related, just could not really stand straight at times ~24 after Moderna Round 1
 
2021-04-12 4:38:37 PM  

Rapmaster2000: Serious Black: enry: A vaccine with 95% effective rate is really 99.9856?  Cool.

The effectiveness rating isn't measured purely by how many people who got the vaccine end up getting the disease. It's a ratio of how many people who are vaccinated get the disease over how many people in the control sample who are unvaccinated get the disease.

Suppose there are 10,000 people in each of two buckets of a clinical trial. The first 10,000 people get vaccines. The second 10,000 people get placebos. Out of the 10,000 vaccinated people, 10 of them got COVID. Out of the 10,000 unvaccinated people, 200 got COVID. (200-10)/200 = 190/200 = 95%.

Thank you.  I've read several times that 95% means that you're 20 times less likely to get Covid with the vaccine, but nobody ever brokedown the math at how they arrived at that number. This makes perfect sense.


Glad I could help!

This is exactly why most people need some statistical training and why analysts and statisticians need strong communication skills.
 
2021-04-12 4:39:53 PM  

blastoh: How many of these had covid before the vaccine but only developed symptoms after?

This happens with the flu every year.  Someone notices people getting the flu so they get the shot, unware they already have it.


On 3/22 I got my first shot. Seven days later I was overcome with aches in all my long bones and a great deal of difficulty breathing - couldn't sleep most of the night. Two days after that I had a positive Covid test.

Most likely I was infected before I got the shot. Incredibly relieved that I didn't develop worse symptoms. (I'm 70+ with COPD & type 2 diabetes.)
 
2021-04-12 4:41:31 PM  
I wouldn't discount the possibility of incompetence on the part of those administering the injection. I've seen some pictures of spectacular misses where they didn't get near the proper injection site.
 
2021-04-12 4:41:37 PM  
Why should I be afraid of a vaccine with a 99.9856% survival rate?
 
2021-04-12 4:41:58 PM  
Neutralizing antibodies are ablative.  Adsorb enough virus and you're going to get sick.  Capisce?
 
2021-04-12 4:42:15 PM  

syrynxx: blastoh: How many of these had covid before the vaccine but only developed symptoms after?

I had some nastiness the month before covid was announced - sent me to the ER, 2 weeks off work for 'viral bronchitis' which was after covid was retroactively discovered in Italy but before testable. And then 8 months of 'long covid' symptoms'. Past six months perfectly healthy until the shot, then flu-like since. Can barely get up, barely sit, barely type.


Dog damn. Hope it gets better for you sooner than later. I know that tots and pears don't work, but I'm pulling for you.

(Still have you greened after a cool Rush thread some ten+ years ago, brother from another mother)
 
2021-04-12 4:45:52 PM  

CptnSpldng: blastoh: How many of these had covid before the vaccine but only developed symptoms after?

This happens with the flu every year.  Someone notices people getting the flu so they get the shot, unware they already have it.

On 3/22 I got my first shot. Seven days later I was overcome with aches in all my long bones and a great deal of difficulty breathing - couldn't sleep most of the night. Two days after that I had a positive Covid test.

Most likely I was infected before I got the shot. Incredibly relieved that I didn't develop worse symptoms. (I'm 70+ with COPD & type 2 diabetes.)


The initial dose probably helped you attain seroconversion a few days earlier than you would have otherwise, but it would be unreasonable to expect any prophylactic benefit with that time frame.
 
2021-04-12 4:46:25 PM  
My FIL is an MD and refused to take the flu vaccine.  My boss is an MD and always refused to take a flu shot.  I worked at a medical school and was offered the flu shot for free, I only took it twice in sixteen years and boom both times got hit hard with the flu.  Pure coincidence.  With that said, both MDs above are Covid vaccinated.  Got my second dose last week, no issues

/Just do it.
 
2021-04-12 4:47:49 PM  
First shot, fever, chills, nausea and headache. Fever went on for 4 days.
Second shot - a little tenderness in the arm.

After the first shot laid me out for days, I was really dreading the second. But the second was a big nothing as far as side effects.
 
2021-04-12 4:48:52 PM  

CptnSpldng: blastoh: How many of these had covid before the vaccine but only developed symptoms after?

This happens with the flu every year.  Someone notices people getting the flu so they get the shot, unware they already have it.

On 3/22 I got my first shot. Seven days later I was overcome with aches in all my long bones and a great deal of difficulty breathing - couldn't sleep most of the night. Two days after that I had a positive Covid test.

Most likely I was infected before I got the shot. Incredibly relieved that I didn't develop worse symptoms. (I'm 70+ with COPD & type 2 diabetes.)


Or you got exposed within the few days after the injection.  Immunity doesn't begin to develop until 9-12 days after the first dose, at least for the mRNA vaccines.  Not sure about the J&J type.
 
2021-04-12 4:51:12 PM  
Based on those and relevant figures, you're about 125 times more likely to get in a car accident and 37 times more likely to be diagnosed with cancer.
 
2021-04-12 4:51:36 PM  
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so you're telling me there's a chance
 
2021-04-12 4:53:34 PM  

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so you're telling me there's a chance


Shakes tiny, painful, vaccinated fist at you!
 
2021-04-12 4:53:50 PM  

enry: A vaccine with 95% effective rate is really 99.9856?  Cool.


It's only 99.9816% in Oregon, so don't think about moving here.  It's certain to be even worse in a couple months.

/Got my second shot last Friday
//Wife got her first the same day.
///Six more weeks.
 
2021-04-12 4:56:11 PM  

abhorrent1: wingnut396: 1st shot, sore arm
2nd shot, felt like crap/chills for about 18 hours. sore arm

Both way better than sucking on a ventilator.

First shot I got nothing. Not even a sore arm.
Got my second shot just this morning and nothing so far. I'm a little tired but that may just be because I got up extra early this morning to go get it.


Watched my wife go from shot at 10:30 AM, to "a little tired" at 4PM, to "chills, aches, pains" at 2AM on Dose 2. Hope you cleared your schedule for tomorrow -- if you're young, it's going to hit you like a ton of bricks.

/Good luck
//We're all counting on you
 
2021-04-12 4:58:52 PM  

natazha: enry: A vaccine with 95% effective rate is really 99.9856?  Cool.

It's only 99.9816% in Oregon, so don't think about moving here.  It's certain to be even worse in a couple months.

/Got my second shot last Friday
//Wife got her first the same day.
///Six more weeks.


Well it's not like we can move to Portland. Antifa burned it all down right?
 
2021-04-12 4:58:58 PM  
And NONE of those people DIED. Let me know when anti-vaxxers achieve a comparable mortality rate.
 
2021-04-12 5:03:26 PM  
Better representation....98.7% of the people that get the COVID-19, SURVIVE.

It's just another variation of the corona virus.  Did we lock everything down for
Covid 1, 2,3,4,5,6,7,8,9,10,11,12,13,14,15,16,1​7,18?
 
2021-04-12 5:03:51 PM  
246? Why is the CDC wasting their time with this? There are millions infected with Republicanism! They really need to get their priorities straight. I sure hope Biden gets up their ass.
 
2021-04-12 5:08:21 PM  

gimlet: "So you're saying there's a chance?" - LC


/TELLING ME
 
2021-04-12 5:09:17 PM  

p51d007: Better representation, 99.9856% of the people who got the COVID-19 vaccine, didn't get COVID-19.


FTFY
 
2021-04-12 5:11:08 PM  

Professor Science: CptnSpldng: blastoh: How many of these had covid before the vaccine but only developed symptoms after?

This happens with the flu every year.  Someone notices people getting the flu so they get the shot, unware they already have it.

On 3/22 I got my first shot. Seven days later I was overcome with aches in all my long bones and a great deal of difficulty breathing - couldn't sleep most of the night. Two days after that I had a positive Covid test.

Most likely I was infected before I got the shot. Incredibly relieved that I didn't develop worse symptoms. (I'm 70+ with COPD & type 2 diabetes.)

Or you got exposed within the few days after the injection.  Immunity doesn't begin to develop until 9-12 days after the first dose, at least for the mRNA vaccines.  Not sure about the J&J type.


This was with a Pfizer shot. The ER gave me the monoclonal infusion once I tested positive and advised me that I should delay receiving another vaccination until 90 days after the infusion.
 
2021-04-12 5:12:54 PM  

CptnSpldng: Professor Science: CptnSpldng: blastoh: How many of these had covid before the vaccine but only developed symptoms after?

This happens with the flu every year.  Someone notices people getting the flu so they get the shot, unware they already have it.

On 3/22 I got my first shot. Seven days later I was overcome with aches in all my long bones and a great deal of difficulty breathing - couldn't sleep most of the night. Two days after that I had a positive Covid test.

Most likely I was infected before I got the shot. Incredibly relieved that I didn't develop worse symptoms. (I'm 70+ with COPD & type 2 diabetes.)

Or you got exposed within the few days after the injection.  Immunity doesn't begin to develop until 9-12 days after the first dose, at least for the mRNA vaccines.  Not sure about the J&J type.

This was with a Pfizer shot. The ER gave me the monoclonal infusion once I tested positive and advised me that I should delay receiving another vaccination until 90 days after the infusion.


So since you have to delay, do you have to start all over with the vaccine or are you able to get just the second one and still be effective?

Always curious how that worked.
 
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