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2021-04-11 9:58:08 AM  
the only thing 'independent' about it was that it was written independently of the experts who thought they were working on it
 
2021-04-11 10:21:20 AM  
This is a Boris Johnson government.  If you didn't know it was a clown show before, you certainly should by now.
 
2021-04-11 10:30:56 AM  
/shocked face
 
2021-04-11 10:41:55 AM  
One reason I wasn't going any further in government was my refusing to go along with this stuff. Having a few months of work "retooled" is annoying at best. Then when the high muckety mucks ask you direct questions, it's fun to answer, "I do not know, that wasn't part of my report. That was added after I submitted it."
 
2021-04-11 11:02:19 AM  
Elizabeth is a racist who hates her own great grandchild.
 
2021-04-11 11:23:52 AM  
And yet the EU produced a report that said the UK was just about the least racist country in Europe.

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But it's always either attack the messenger or flat out ignore it.
 
2021-04-11 11:26:46 AM  

Marcus Aurelius: This is a Boris Johnson government.  If you didn't know it was a clown show before, you certainly should by now.


So Boris is a racist? The same Boris whose wife and children are mixed race? The same Boris who has made immigration easier, which countries like India have welcomed?
 
2021-04-11 11:40:48 AM  

Purple_Urkle: Elizabeth is a racist who hates her own great grandchild.


I'm pretty sure that Harry specifically said in the interview that it was not his grandparents (the Queen and Prince Consort) who made the comment(s).

However, to your point.... I imagine that it would be the Queen who would have final say on who was a royal and who wasn't. Who was getting a title and who wasn't. Who was getting protective services and who wasn't. Archie received none of those things.
 
2021-04-11 11:49:12 AM  

Carter Pewterschmidt: And yet the EU produced a report that said the UK was just about the least racist country in Europe.

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And, yet...the true-born son of the Duchess of Sussex does not get a title? The true-born son of the Duchess of Sussex, who is a legal descendent of The Queen, is not a royal? The true-born son of the Duchess of Sussex does not get protective services?

/ And all of that sits right with you? Rue, Britannia. Britannia should rue the day.
 
2021-04-11 12:07:07 PM  

iheartscotch: / And all of that sits right with you? Rue, Britannia. Britannia should rue the day.


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2021-04-11 12:17:24 PM  

iron de havilland: iheartscotch: / And all of that sits right with you? Rue, Britannia. Britannia should rue the day.

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In my defense, it just works too well.

/ Obviously, it's a play off of the song Rule, Britannia
 
2021-04-11 12:30:46 PM  

Carter Pewterschmidt: Marcus Aurelius: This is a Boris Johnson government.  If you didn't know it was a clown show before, you certainly should by now.

So Boris is a racist? The same Boris whose wife and children are mixed race? The same Boris who has made immigration easier, which countries like India have welcomed?


just ignore all the other immigrants that priti patel wants to ship off to rock outcroppings in the south atlantic so they can be left to die.  sorry, 'process their applications'

but of course she can't possibly be racist she has an ethnic sounding name!
 
2021-04-11 12:32:52 PM  

Carter Pewterschmidt: And yet the EU produced a report that said the UK was just about the least racist country in Europe.

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But it's always either attack the messenger or flat out ignore it.


i hope you're getting paid to post that in every thread.  they've had more exposure for that bullshiat from you than anywhere else
 
2021-04-11 12:43:14 PM  
So that means we're allowed to go in and remove all the white males out of the Commons and put the House of Lords in a cheap apartment in Hammersmith.

...WHAT DO YOU MEAN THAT'S NOT AN OPTION?  MAKE IT ONE.
 
2021-04-11 12:46:11 PM  

Purple_Urkle: Elizabeth is a racist who hates her own great grandchild.


Was the monarchy included with the government as the subject of the report?
 
2021-04-11 12:48:12 PM  

Carter Pewterschmidt: And yet the EU produced a report that said the UK was just about the least racist country in Europe.

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But it's always either attack the messenger or flat out ignore it.


Least Racist does not equal Not Racist.
 
2021-04-11 12:50:18 PM  
It was a gutless, pedantic to the point of gaslighting report for POC in Britain.
 
2021-04-11 12:51:12 PM  

iheartscotch: Purple_Urkle: Elizabeth is a racist who hates her own great grandchild.

I'm pretty sure that Harry specifically said in the interview that it was not his grandparents (the Queen and Prince Consort) who made the comment(s).

However, to your point.... I imagine that it would be the Queen who would have final say on who was a royal and who wasn't. Who was getting a title and who wasn't. Who was getting protective services and who wasn't. Archie received none of those things.


The title is the sticking point for me.
Deeds not words. Not giving Archie a title, invalidated Elizabeth's title.

She's just another racist, like my grandmother. Piers Morgan can't fool me.

She's not a queen and she deserves the same respect she affords her own grandchild: no respect.

She's just another ordinary racist with an overblown sense of entitlement.

My own racist grandmother had some nice things to say about Barack Obama, she also told me to never date a Black man, I know her true self.
 
2021-04-11 12:51:36 PM  

Carter Pewterschmidt: Marcus Aurelius: This is a Boris Johnson government.  If you didn't know it was a clown show before, you certainly should by now.

So Boris is a racist? The same Boris whose wife and children are mixed race? The same Boris who has made immigration easier, which countries like India have welcomed?


Ex-wife. They divorced in 2020.

Also, my coworker is married to a person of color. He is still very intolerant of other races outside of his wife's... So it's not like who you marry gives you a pass on racism.
 
2021-04-11 12:52:37 PM  
"The independent report on institutional racism in the UK that cleared the government of any wrongdoing was rewritten by the government before release"

Huh, I did not see that coming.


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2021-04-11 12:55:35 PM  
BoJo whitewashed it?

Well, yeah.
 
2021-04-11 1:01:07 PM  

Outshined_One: Carter Pewterschmidt: And yet the EU produced a report that said the UK was just about the least racist country in Europe.

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But it's always either attack the messenger or flat out ignore it.

Least Racist does not equal Not Racist.


To him nearly empty trucks crossing into the UK is the same as full ones.
 
2021-04-11 1:07:33 PM  
Independent?

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2021-04-11 1:08:55 PM  

texanb4: "The independent report on institutional racism in the UK that cleared the government of any wrongdoing was rewritten by the government before release"

Huh, I did not see that coming.


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Yeah, the royal family has had a troubling history of white supremacy -- not that that should surprise anyone that they think that they represent something extraordinary. No matter how deluded it is for them to misunderstand wealth and class for racial superiority.
 
2021-04-11 1:09:12 PM  

RogueWallEnthusiast: Independent?

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Crap, who writes improper quotes on images?

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2021-04-11 1:10:58 PM  

RasIanI: texanb4: "The independent report on institutional racism in the UK that cleared the government of any wrongdoing was rewritten by the government before release"

Huh, I did not see that coming.


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Yeah, the royal family has had a troubling history of white supremacy -- not that that should surprise anyone that they think that they represent something extraordinary. No matter how deluded it is for them to misunderstand wealth and class for racial superiority.


The most recent royal corpse was considered badly racist even by their standards.
 
2021-04-11 1:14:06 PM  
*sigh*

Because of course it was.
 
2021-04-11 1:20:55 PM  

Carter Pewterschmidt: And yet the EU produced a report that said the UK was just about the least racist country in Europe.

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Of course the resident Irish Canadian is going to defend a report not only condemned by the people they claimed who wrote it (who had no involvement at all), the people who did write it (but then had their words re-edited), and by everybody who - normally - should have been consulted for a report like this...
 
2021-04-11 1:21:23 PM  

Purple_Urkle: Deeds not words. Not giving Archie a title, invalidated Elizabeth's title.


Umm, do you mean like "Duke of Earl"?  Because those sorts of things aren't given out until one of the royals gets married.  Both William and Harry were not Dukes of Cambridge/Sussex until their weddings.  Charles was an exception because Prince of Wales is so specific to the Heir that it is often given out when said Heir is of age (though the monarch can actually just not give it out if he or she desires).

Archie is still seventh in line to the throne.  Elizbeth has absolutely no say in that.  The Act of Succession is the controlling document for that, and it allows no discretion in who gets the throne in what order.  If the algorithm says you're up, your it.

Also, Elizbeth's grandchildren through Anne are not titled.  They are not "working" royals, and so have no fol-de-rol associated with them.  They are still valid heirs, but unless you are on the payroll of the monarch, you are not Baroness of Tinky-winky.  All-in-all, it's a sweet gig.  You can do whatever you like without Boris feeling he can shove his hand up your ass to parrot support for his policies, but since everyone knows who you are, you get the deference of a full working royal.
 
2021-04-11 1:22:26 PM  
WE ARE NOT TALKING ABOUT RACISM BECAUSE THAT IS COVERED BY THE TERM RACISM.  LET ME READ THIS FOR YOU:

Institutional racism, also known as systemic racism, is a form of racism that is embedded through laws within society or an organization. It can lead to such issues as discrimination in criminal justice, employment, housing, health care, political power, and education, among other issues. Institutional racism can have harmful effects on people, especially on students in school where it is prominent.[1]

The term institutional racism was first coined in 1967 by Stokely Carmichael and Charles V. Hamilton in Black Power: The Politics of Liberation.[2] Carmichael and Hamilton wrote that while individual racism is often identifiable because of its overt nature, institutional racism is less perceptible because of its "less overt, far more subtle" nature. Institutional racism "originates in the operation of established and respected forces in the society, and thus receives far less public condemnation than [individual racism]".[3]

Institutional racism was defined by Sir William Macpherson in the UK's Lawrence report (1999) as: "The collective failure of an organization to provide an appropriate and professional service to people because of their colour, culture, or ethnic origin. It can be seen or detected in processes, attitudes and behaviour that amount to discrimination through prejudice, ignorance, thoughtlessness, and racist stereotyping which disadvantage minority ethnic people."[4][5]


That's the first bit from wikipedia. Obviously there's a lot more to it, but you idiots are talking about RACISM which is not the same thing.  You can have a completely non-racist country as Carter Doodooschmidt insists, and still have Institutional Racism.
 
2021-04-11 1:23:13 PM  

Carter Pewterschmidt: And yet the EU produced a report that said the UK was just about the least racist country in Europe.

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How does that excuses the fact that the government rewrote an independent report on institutional racism?
 
2021-04-11 1:24:15 PM  

padraig: Carter Pewterschmidt: And yet the EU produced a report that said the UK was just about the least racist country in Europe.

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How does that excuses the fact that the government rewrote an independent report on institutional racism?


It's the EUs fault.
 
2021-04-11 1:24:45 PM  

recondite cetacean: WE ARE NOT TALKING ABOUT RACISM BECAUSE THAT IS COVERED BY THE TERM RACISM.  LET ME READ THIS FOR YOU:

Institutional racism, also known as systemic racism, is a form of racism that is embedded through laws within society or an organization. It can lead to such issues as discrimination in criminal justice, employment, housing, health care, political power, and education, among other issues. Institutional racism can have harmful effects on people, especially on students in school where it is prominent.[1]

The term institutional racism was first coined in 1967 by Stokely Carmichael and Charles V. Hamilton in Black Power: The Politics of Liberation.[2] Carmichael and Hamilton wrote that while individual racism is often identifiable because of its overt nature, institutional racism is less perceptible because of its "less overt, far more subtle" nature. Institutional racism "originates in the operation of established and respected forces in the society, and thus receives far less public condemnation than [individual racism]".[3]

Institutional racism was defined by Sir William Macpherson in the UK's Lawrence report (1999) as: "The collective failure of an organization to provide an appropriate and professional service to people because of their colour, culture, or ethnic origin. It can be seen or detected in processes, attitudes and behaviour that amount to discrimination through prejudice, ignorance, thoughtlessness, and racist stereotyping which disadvantage minority ethnic people."[4][5]

That's the first bit from wikipedia. Obviously there's a lot more to it, but you idiots are talking about RACISM which is not the same thing.  You can have a completely non-racist country as Carter Doodooschmidt insists, and still have Institutional Racism.


An illustration of which - I have been randomly stopped by the police once in the UK. It just happened to be the time I was walking down the street with a black friend. It was his 3rd time that year.
 
2021-04-11 1:28:09 PM  

Iworkformsn: Carter Pewterschmidt: Marcus Aurelius: This is a Boris Johnson government.  If you didn't know it was a clown show before, you certainly should by now.

So Boris is a racist? The same Boris whose wife and children are mixed race? The same Boris who has made immigration easier, which countries like India have welcomed?

Ex-wife. They divorced in 2020.

Also, my coworker is married to a person of color. He is still very intolerant of other races outside of his wife's... So it's not like who you marry gives you a pass on racism.


Racists with POC friends or SO are not uncommon. They often see them as "some of the good ones".
 
2021-04-11 1:29:52 PM  

Flappyhead: padraig: Carter Pewterschmidt: And yet the EU produced a report that said the UK was just about the least racist country in Europe.

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But it's always either attack the messenger or flat out ignore it.

How does that excuses the fact that the government rewrote an independent report on institutional racism?

It's the EUs fault.


*The UK shiats its pants yet again on a new subject*

"It's the EUs' fault!"

Carter never fails to deliver, does he?
 
2021-04-11 1:32:10 PM  

Carter Pewterschmidt: Marcus Aurelius: This is a Boris Johnson government.  If you didn't know it was a clown show before, you certainly should by now.

So Boris is a racist? The same Boris whose wife and children are mixed race? The same Boris who has made immigration easier, which countries like India have welcomed?


https://www.businessinsider.com/boris​-​johnson-record-sexist-homophobic-and-r​acist-comments-bumboys-piccaninnies-20​19-6?r=US&IR=T
 
2021-04-11 1:32:25 PM  

Carter Pewterschmidt: And yet the EU produced a report that said the UK was just about the least racist country in Europe.

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Son, that's not the gotcha you think it is. "But those guys are even bigger assholes" isn't a defense against someone pointing out that you're assholes.
 
2021-04-11 1:34:27 PM  
Bungles:

An illustration of which - I have been randomly stopped by the police once in the UK. It just happened to be the time I was walking down the street with a black friend. It was his 3rd time that year.

Not really a good illustration.  Could be racist cops, could be racist policies.  Could be criminal statistics based on race, could be just the areas you walk through.  Could be a lot of things, that's why this subject is so hard.
 
2021-04-11 1:34:45 PM  
I have noticed that those in or supporting the UK and stroll around saying "we're not racist; I mean not nearly like America", fail to remember a few things.

Americans actually speak about racism. Not always constructively, not always effectively, but it's a topic that's no longer taboo in the nation. Makes everyone angry, absolutely, but still able to be discussed.
The UK has convinced itself it's "not racist" because knobs on the telly and in the rags tell them they're not, and the UK refuses to have the public discussion we see in the US.
Germany had a lot of open, painful discussion after the whole Hitler fiasco about, well, everything from WWII, and they've managed to rehab somewhat.

I for one would be ashamed to have Piers bloody bell end Morgan try and claim to be representative of my country's approach to racial discussion. To be fair, the US has its own versions of Piers wanking Morgan strolling around claiming there's no real racism in the US, so nothing needs to change.

As for those saying the Queen isn't part of the discussion; she is the UK, in theory. She's on the money (literally), she's part of the history and culture. Her family's attitude and position shows how the thinking runs top-down in the country.

/my tuppence
//it's easy to say you're not racist when everyone in the room looks like you
///fark Piers 'champion snowflake' Morgan
 
2021-04-11 1:34:53 PM  

Carter Pewterschmidt: So Boris is a racist? The same Boris whose wife and children are mixed race?


Yes.

... you're aware that white people "elevating" the lesser races by taking their women, since it's not like women actually count as people anyway, is like the most important practical element of British eugenics, right?

"So you're saying this confirming evidence that Boris is a racist by doing a racist thing that's a core part of the specific racist school of racism he follows proves he's a racist?"  Yes, you farking moron.  Yes, it does.
 
2021-04-11 1:40:00 PM  

recondite cetacean: Bungles:

An illustration of which - I have been randomly stopped by the police once in the UK. It just happened to be the time I was walking down the street with a black friend. It was his 3rd time that year.

Not really a good illustration.  Could be racist cops, could be racist policies.  Could be criminal statistics based on race, could be just the areas you walk through.  Could be a lot of things, that's why this subject is so hard.



Or it could be, you know, institutional racism which means non-white people in the UK get randomly stopped at higher rates?
 
2021-04-11 1:42:28 PM  

Bungles: recondite cetacean: Bungles:

An illustration of which - I have been randomly stopped by the police once in the UK. It just happened to be the time I was walking down the street with a black friend. It was his 3rd time that year.

Not really a good illustration.  Could be racist cops, could be racist policies.  Could be criminal statistics based on race, could be just the areas you walk through.  Could be a lot of things, that's why this subject is so hard.


Or it could be, you know, institutional racism which means non-white people in the UK get randomly stopped at higher rates?


He's trying to tell you that officer clownshoes mcblackhater stopping a black person is not institutional racism.

It's just normal racism.
 
2021-04-11 1:43:06 PM  

Smackledorfer: Bungles: recondite cetacean: Bungles:

An illustration of which - I have been randomly stopped by the police once in the UK. It just happened to be the time I was walking down the street with a black friend. It was his 3rd time that year.

Not really a good illustration.  Could be racist cops, could be racist policies.  Could be criminal statistics based on race, could be just the areas you walk through.  Could be a lot of things, that's why this subject is so hard.


Or it could be, you know, institutional racism which means non-white people in the UK get randomly stopped at higher rates?

He's trying to tell you that officer clownshoes mcblackhater stopping a black person FOR BEING BLACK is not institutional racism.

It's just normal racism.


FTFM
 
2021-04-11 1:44:57 PM  

Carter Pewterschmidt: Marcus Aurelius: This is a Boris Johnson government.  If you didn't know it was a clown show before, you certainly should by now.

So Boris is a racist? The same Boris whose wife and children are mixed race? The same Boris who has made immigration easier, which countries like India have welcomed?


Hot take: I have a good friend who openly says he is racist, was raised to believe that white folk are superior.  He says it's so ingrained that it's hard to even think of changing.  Yet every time he's introduced to a Black person, they are always one of the "good ones" and he still hates Black people except for him/her/them.  Really his racism boils down to wanting to use the n word to talk about people being loud in the theater, since that's his go-to stereotype.

Point being, if you were a Black person meeting him, you would never consider him racist, although he clearly is because just ask him!

Other point being, we have a wide range of "his behavior proves he's not racist" to "just using the n word is racist" to "maybe you can't point to a few things and come to a binary conclusion".
 
2021-04-11 1:46:36 PM  
Am example of institutional racism might be, "our stats showed people in this area code are less likely to pay back loans, so we charge them higher interest rates" and that area code is mostly black.

There is a lot of that in detroit. The policy is not overtly racist, and is defensible to some extent, but directly results in continuing the racial economic divide. And don't get me started on the increasing use of computer driven racism - putting algorithms in place that are colorblind but based on stats plugged in from racism.
 
2021-04-11 1:52:22 PM  

Smackledorfer: Smackledorfer: Bungles: recondite cetacean: Bungles:

An illustration of which - I have been randomly stopped by the police once in the UK. It just happened to be the time I was walking down the street with a black friend. It was his 3rd time that year.

Not really a good illustration.  Could be racist cops, could be racist policies.  Could be criminal statistics based on race, could be just the areas you walk through.  Could be a lot of things, that's why this subject is so hard.


Or it could be, you know, institutional racism which means non-white people in the UK get randomly stopped at higher rates?

He's trying to tell you that officer clownshoes mcblackhater stopping a black person FOR BEING BLACK is not institutional racism.

It's just normal racism.

FTFM


I appreciate the effort, but it really could be either way based on who made the policies and how, what the wording of the policies/laws are, whether they are based on data relevant to the location, and on and on.  And even then, well-intentioned race-free policies can become institutional racism even without actual racist intent, when the effect of those policies unfairly disadvantages one or more racial groups.

Any policy that gives free discretion to individual cops, can be abused by individual racist cops, and a race-neutral policy becomes institutional racism.  It's not either/or in other words.  Individual stops can be just normal racism, the overall effect is institutional racism because a race-neutral law is having a racial effect.
 
2021-04-11 1:58:59 PM  

Smackledorfer: Am example of institutional racism might be, "our stats showed people in this area code are less likely to pay back loans, so we charge them higher interest rates" and that area code is mostly black.

There is a lot of that in detroit. The policy is not overtly racist, and is defensible to some extent, but directly results in continuing the racial economic divide. And don't get me started on the increasing use of computer driven racism - putting algorithms in place that are colorblind but based on stats plugged in from racism.


This is my go-to point to make.  Although usually they slice and dice everyone by every possible metric, one of which is race.  And the data goes back lots of years.  So in America at least, you have all the way through the 1960s with blatant discrimination before the Civil Rights movement and into the 70s and 80s with "wink and a nod" discrimination, and a history of Black folk not being able to pay back loans like whitey does because of the discriminatory terms.  So they get 6% instead of 3% and have trouble paying back the loans.

No one ever looks at the situation, as this report was supposed to do, and say well maybe if we had comparable terms we'd have comparable repayment rates.  That's what this report was supposed to bring up.  And hopefully fix.  And the "we're not racist" horseshiat is dragging attention away from the very real problem of unintentionally, even accidentally, bringing about inequality.
 
2021-04-11 1:59:00 PM  
I mean, they could just ask about Roma or the Travellers.

You'll never see a suave, upper crust Brit go from zero to "well, they clearly belong in ovens" faster.
 
2021-04-11 2:01:04 PM  

Carter Pewterschmidt: Marcus Aurelius: This is a Boris Johnson government.  If you didn't know it was a clown show before, you certainly should by now.

So Boris is a racist? The same Boris whose wife and children are mixed race? The same Boris who has made immigration easier, which countries like India have welcomed?


The Boris who claimed Obama must be anti British because if his Kenyan heritage? The one who claimed Ugandans would have "relied on the instant carbohydrate gratification of the plantain" if it weren't for white folk? The one who has systematically offended two thirds of the world's nations with his racist remarks? That Boris?

The same Boris who stated that the problem with Africa wasn't imperial colonialism, but that we weren't the ones in charge any more?

The very same Boris, now known as the first Viscoont of Westminster, who had an interactive map of the two thirds of the countries in the world he personally offended with his racist and bigoted remarks?

That Boris?
 
2021-04-11 2:02:18 PM  
Some Guy In A Waistcoat:

Redundant paragraphs like in that last post make me wish there was an edit feature to balance out my laziness when it comes to proofing before I hit send...
 
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