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2021-04-11 8:22:28 AM  
That Death Star of David sure gets around.
 
2021-04-11 8:58:29 AM  
Good thing that whatever goes around doesn't come around.
 
2021-04-11 9:30:58 AM  
Ya can't keep throwing on the new stuff on the same circuit. It's gonna blow every time.
 
2021-04-11 9:31:11 AM  
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2021-04-11 9:50:42 AM  
It's not terror or warfare when we or our allies do it.
 
2021-04-11 9:52:05 AM  
Try hitting it with a hammer. That should get it going again.
 
2021-04-11 9:56:46 AM  

ImOscar: Try hitting it with a hammer. That should get it going again.


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2021-04-11 9:57:07 AM  
In before the white-knighting of the ayatol -

- dammit.
 
2021-04-11 9:57:14 AM  
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2021-04-11 9:58:01 AM  

Leader O'Cola: It's not terror or warfare when we or our allies do it.


Somehow I think there is just a minor difference between preventing an aggressive terrorist nation from getting nuclear weapons and sponsoring the sending of women wrapped in explosives into a civilian market to explode themselves.

But if you can't see the difference, don't worry - the people that can will keep making you safe.
 
2021-04-11 9:59:49 AM  
Won't somebody think of Ali Khamenei?

Leader O'Cola: It's not terror or warfare when we or our allies do it.

Well there it is
 
2021-04-11 10:00:02 AM  
We know who's lying about power outages.

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2021-04-11 10:00:36 AM  

zgrizz: Leader O'Cola: It's not terror or warfare when we or our allies do it.

Somehow I think there is just a minor difference between preventing an aggressive terrorist nation from getting nuclear weapons and sponsoring the sending of women wrapped in explosives into a civilian market to explode themselves.

But if you can't see the difference, don't worry - the people that can will keep making you safe.


Like they did for the US Capitol? Or at Abu Gharib? Or Mai Lai? Or Wounded Knee?

Quit pretending your shiat don't stink, magat.
 
2021-04-11 10:00:37 AM  

Leader O'Cola: It's not terror or warfare when we or our allies do it.


I think blind moral ignorance, as is on display here, is the real danger to the world.
 
2021-04-11 10:01:23 AM  

Leader O'Cola: It's not terror or warfare when we or our allies do it.


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2021-04-11 10:03:44 AM  

zgrizz: Leader O'Cola: It's not terror or warfare when we or our allies do it.

Somehow I think there is just a minor difference between preventing an aggressive terrorist nation from getting nuclear weapons and sponsoring the sending of women wrapped in explosives into a civilian market to explode themselves.

But if you can't see the difference, don't worry - the people that can will keep making you safe.


Actually simple Iranians like Americans so LEAVE KHOMENEI ALONE
 
2021-04-11 10:04:20 AM  
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2021-04-11 10:04:46 AM  
So, are we going back to the fantasy that we can somehow broker a "nuclear peace" in a region where we sponsor a rogue puppet nation that operates a covert nuclear capability that it won't even publicly admit to?
Stop and seriously imagine being stupid enough to think that will work.
 
2021-04-11 10:06:48 AM  

Mr. Coffee Nerves: That Death Star of David sure gets around.


Very likely that an Iranian sympathetic to keeping Iran nuclear-free is on the inside.  Mossad has a long reach, but knowing when the centrifuges go online is a bit much.
 
2021-04-11 10:07:02 AM  
Wait, power outage and not a big kaboom?
 
2021-04-11 10:08:25 AM  

jso2897: So, are we going back to the fantasy that we can somehow broker a "nuclear peace" in a region where we sponsor a rogue puppet nation that operates a covert nuclear capability that it won't even publicly admit to?
Stop and seriously imagine being stupid enough to think that will work.


Who do you think Israel is the puppet of, exactly?
 
2021-04-11 10:09:33 AM  
Gordon Freeman was seen casually walking away from the facility.
 
2021-04-11 10:10:36 AM  
Anyone wonder why in the world they are using centrifuges?  That has to be the slowest way to produce the fewest number of bombs possible, although it also allows you to make civilian nuclear power as well.

My guess is that they want another nuclear deal, presumably with nations more stable than one that elected Trump.

Iran's nuclear project never made any sense.  After the second invasion of Iraq (and especially electing Trump and their general's assassination), it should be clear that they were on borrowed time as long as they didn't have nukes.  But they sure are taking their good old time in building one.  I've assumed that whatever fark may think about the Ayatollahs, the Iranians smart enough to be able to build a bomb have an even lower opinion of them and would rather bide the danger of inevitable invasion than deal with nuclear armed Ayatollahs.

/maybe we need some sort of US/Iran social media
//forget getting the governments talking, get the two populations talking
///that and the revolution is getting *old*.  Expect it to have burn out on the street years ago
 
2021-04-11 10:17:54 AM  

Fireproof: jso2897: So, are we going back to the fantasy that we can somehow broker a "nuclear peace" in a region where we sponsor a rogue puppet nation that operates a covert nuclear capability that it won't even publicly admit to?
Stop and seriously imagine being stupid enough to think that will work.

Who do you think Israel is the puppet of, exactly?


Haha. Very funny.
But seriously - if we really want to broker this nuclear peace, we will have to get the Israelis and the Iranians and ourselves at a table and agree to get rid of ALL the nukes in the region.
Failing that, this will go on forever.
 
2021-04-11 10:18:25 AM  

yet_another_wumpus: Anyone wonder why in the world they are using centrifuges?


It's the easiest way to build a simple weapon they know will work.

In the history of the Manhattan Project, the uranium bomb was known that it would work but that it would be inefficient in terms of explosive output and efficiency. Pursuing the plutonium bomb was less known, but if it worked it would make for more efficient explosive output (bigger explosive output per unit of mass reacted).

Making a plutonium bomb is messy and expensive. You have to run uranium through a reactor to create plutonium as a byproduct, and then the fuel is hot and radioactive. It takes a mess of a process to chemically separate the plutonium, purify it, and get it to where it's useable in a bomb. Then you have to have the experience of using shaped explosive charges to make an implosion bomb with a supercritical plutonium sphere, and that's not easy to do without a lot of testing.

To make a uranium bomb, you just build it like plans that available in diagrams on the internet. Build a small cannon that uses some explosives to slam two masses of uranium together for a quick nuclear reaction, and it explodes. It's not as powerful, but it's easy to build.
 
2021-04-11 10:20:30 AM  

yet_another_wumpus: Iran's nuclear project never made any sense.


It is and always has been driven by the covert Israeli program. That makes no sense either - Israel has no real use for nukes - they have no credible foes in the region, nuclear OR conventional - and their tiny nuke force would be useless against even Pakistan - let alone Russia or China or any REAL nuclear power.
They need to get rid of them, and we need to be firm with them about it for a change.
 
2021-04-11 10:23:11 AM  

Leader O'Cola: It's not terror or warfare when we or our allies do it.


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2021-04-11 10:28:30 AM  
Jewish Space Lasers?
 
2021-04-11 10:29:24 AM  

orbister: [i.imgur.com image 850x717]


Came for this. You're awesome.

I've opened up several disconnects and found 2 fuses and that piece of 7/8 copper NO BLOW fuse.
 
2021-04-11 10:30:05 AM  

Leader O'Cola: It's not terror or warfare when we or our allies do it.


Iran doesn't recognise Israel's right to exist. În my book that's kind of a prerequisite for expecting formal declarations of war and whatnot.
 
2021-04-11 10:31:33 AM  

jso2897: Israel has no real use for nukes - they have no credible foes in the region, nuclear OR conventional


Israel's nuclear capability exists as a small, effective program of last resort.

Their doctrine of use has 4 points (maybe it's been changed, but these are the originals):
1. A successful military penetration into populated areas within Israel's post-1949 (pre-1967) borders.
2. The destruction of the Israeli Air Force.
3. The exposure of Israeli cities to massive and devastating air attacks or to possible chemical or biological attacks.
4. The use of nuclear weapons against Israeli territory.
 
2021-04-11 10:33:34 AM  

zgrizz: Leader O'Cola: It's not terror or warfare when we or our allies do it.

Somehow I think there is just a minor difference between preventing an aggressive terrorist nation from getting nuclear weapons and sponsoring the sending of women wrapped in explosives into a civilian market to explode themselves.

But if you can't see the difference, don't worry - the people that can will keep making you safe.


everyone involved matches your description
 
2021-04-11 10:34:02 AM  
I blame Jewish friggin' space lasers.
 
2021-04-11 10:41:48 AM  

CheatCommando: zgrizz: Leader O'Cola: It's not terror or warfare when we or our allies do it.

Somehow I think there is just a minor difference between preventing an aggressive terrorist nation from getting nuclear weapons and sponsoring the sending of women wrapped in explosives into a civilian market to explode themselves.

But if you can't see the difference, don't worry - the people that can will keep making you safe.

Like they did for the US Capitol? Or at Abu Gharib? Or Mai Lai? Or Wounded Knee?

Quit pretending your shiat don't stink, magat.


So we have religious facist sympathizers here calling people who disagree with them 'MAGAts'...

I'm trying to wrap my head around that one.
 
2021-04-11 10:43:21 AM  

jso2897: So, are we going back to the fantasy that we can somehow broker a "nuclear peace" in a region where we sponsor a rogue puppet nation that operates a covert nuclear capability that it won't even publicly admit to?
Stop and seriously imagine being stupid enough to think that will work.


2016. Black man finalizes and implements good deal with Iran to stop creating nukes and spend Iranian money we froze for decades on billions of dollars of US civilian airliner upgrades so they can re-enter the world market.

2017. White man trashes deal, killing American jobs, and starts demanding that the Saudis and UAE get nukes from US and Russia. Then goes on to assassinate Iranian officials.

2021. New sheriff in town.

Not sure what your "fantasy" complaint is. We had a real deal that was working until Trump farked it up for grift.

Yes, returning to the table will have new difficulties, but it's what adults do.
 
2021-04-11 10:43:23 AM  

jso2897: yet_another_wumpus: Iran's nuclear project never made any sense.

It is and always has been driven by the covert Israeli program. That makes no sense either - Israel has no real use for nukes - they have no credible foes in the region, nuclear OR conventional - and their tiny nuke force would be useless against even Pakistan - let alone Russia or China or any REAL nuclear power.
They need to get rid of them, and we need to be firm with them about it for a change.


Except that Israeli attack is the least of their worries, and US attack is highly likely.  They likely have more to worry about from the Arabs (who they already have been fighting in proxy wars, not even including the huge Iraqi Sunni/Shia civil war) than the Israelis.  They just have been going through the motions of their propaganda for years, and haven't updated anything.

Israel can destroy Egypt by destroying the Aswan dam (and they made the treaty soon after finishing the dam.  Not sure they thought it through before that).  The rest are so the rest of the Arab world doesn't try to invade again.
 
2021-04-11 10:46:41 AM  

GORDON: Leader O'Cola: It's not terror or warfare when we or our allies do it.

I think blind moral ignorance, as is on display here, is the real danger to the world.


You mean like ignorange of operation Ajax, and why Iran is what it is today?

If you want to fix the future, you have to understand the past.
 
2021-04-11 10:47:30 AM  
Iran right now:
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2021-04-11 10:47:38 AM  
And no, that does not excuse or justify  the evils and crimes Iran commits.

Just saying that moral high ground doesn't exist here.
 
2021-04-11 10:53:59 AM  
Hello, friends.
 
2021-04-11 10:55:41 AM  
You would think that with a bunch of pallets full of cash that they could have paid the utility bill.
 
2021-04-11 10:56:47 AM  

mrmopar5287: jso2897: Israel has no real use for nukes - they have no credible foes in the region, nuclear OR conventional

Israel's nuclear capability exists as a small, effective program of last resort.

Their doctrine of use has 4 points (maybe it's been changed, but these are the originals):
1. A successful military penetration into populated areas within Israel's post-1949 (pre-1967) borders.
2. The destruction of the Israeli Air Force.
3. The exposure of Israeli cities to massive and devastating air attacks or to possible chemical or biological attacks.
4. The use of nuclear weapons against Israeli territory.


Well, then, accept a nuclear presence in the region, and that eventually they won't be alone.
It's not my beef, and I have no dog in the fight, myself. I just want America out of it.
 
2021-04-11 11:00:22 AM  
Someone in Iran is frantically searching through the drawer full of power cords for the one that matches the new centrifuges.
 
2021-04-11 11:01:43 AM  

thealgorerhythm: Yes, returning to the table will have new difficulties, but it's what adults do.


That's exactly what I said has to happen. My only point is that Israel has to be at that table too, and willing to make some concessions. If you disagree, so be it.
Not going to argue about it.
 
2021-04-11 11:02:03 AM  

thealgorerhythm: jso2897: So, are we going back to the fantasy that we can somehow broker a "nuclear peace" in a region where we sponsor a rogue puppet nation that operates a covert nuclear capability that it won't even publicly admit to?
Stop and seriously imagine being stupid enough to think that will work.

2016. Black man finalizes and implements good deal with Iran to stop creating nukes and spend Iranian money we froze for decades on billions of dollars of US civilian airliner upgrades so they can re-enter the world market.

2017. White man trashes deal, killing American jobs, and starts demanding that the Saudis and UAE get nukes from US and Russia. Then goes on to assassinate Iranian officials.

2021. New sheriff in town.

Not sure what your "fantasy" complaint is. We had a real deal that was working until Trump farked it up for grift.

Yes, returning to the table will have new difficulties, but it's what adults do.


your narrative seems to be race based. why does this have to be race based? are you pulling the race card and beating a dead horse?  The deal was one-sided and Iran never intended to follow any of the deal.  It was just for the optics to appease those who did not approve.  Do you really think they (iran) would ever allow one inspector to see anything substantial?  okay, maybe, but then he would fall on a bullet.  The deal only helped fund terrorism.
 
2021-04-11 11:06:07 AM  

munko: thealgorerhythm: jso2897: So, are we going back to the fantasy that we can somehow broker a "nuclear peace" in a region where we sponsor a rogue puppet nation that operates a covert nuclear capability that it won't even publicly admit to?
Stop and seriously imagine being stupid enough to think that will work.

2016. Black man finalizes and implements good deal with Iran to stop creating nukes and spend Iranian money we froze for decades on billions of dollars of US civilian airliner upgrades so they can re-enter the world market.

2017. White man trashes deal, killing American jobs, and starts demanding that the Saudis and UAE get nukes from US and Russia. Then goes on to assassinate Iranian officials.

2021. New sheriff in town.

Not sure what your "fantasy" complaint is. We had a real deal that was working until Trump farked it up for grift.

Yes, returning to the table will have new difficulties, but it's what adults do.

your narrative seems to be race based. why does this have to be race based? are you pulling the race card and beating a dead horse?  The deal was one-sided and Iran never intended to follow any of the deal.  It was just for the optics to appease those who did not approve.  Do you really think they (iran) would ever allow one inspector to see anything substantial?  okay, maybe, but then he would fall on a bullet.  The deal only helped fund terrorism.


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But since you bothered go educate yourself before you speak again
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2021-04-11 11:10:06 AM  
It's idiotic that the few nations that achieved independent nuclear armament early on are the only people who get to decide whether or not other sovereign nations are allowed to have nukes.

It's hypocritical, it's obscene. Nukes are evil, we committed a war crime and a crime against humanity by nuking Japan.

Don't confuse patriotism with military worship, and don't think our military is anything other than people on standby to kill other people.
 
2021-04-11 11:13:38 AM  

jso2897: thealgorerhythm: Yes, returning to the table will have new difficulties, but it's what adults do.

That's exactly what I said has to happen. My only point is that Israel has to be at that table too, and willing to make some concessions. If you disagree, so be it.
Not going to argue about it.


The only thing that has changed with the Israeli condition is that they've started aligning with Saudi Arabia and UAE against Iran and ethnic shiites throughout the Middle East. Back in 2015 the Israelis had nukes for 25 years already and were well known to have infiltrated the Iranian facilities with saboteurs and hackers.

You're right, Iran needs to be assured that the Saudis and other Gulf monarchies won't attack them with Israeli support. However I think Biden is already positioning America to be a broker again.

The world simply can't have more nuclear proliferation. The technology to build a bomb is now almost a century old. The only thing that stops nuclear wars and terror acts is keeping the fissile material to a well-monitored minimum (zero would be even better but that's a unicorn).
 
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2021-04-11 11:17:14 AM  

Axeofjudgement: orbister: [i.imgur.com image 850x717]

Came for this. You're awesome.

I've opened up several disconnects and found 2 fuses and that piece of 7/8 copper NO BLOW fuse.


"What do you mean the cord is melting?"
 
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