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2021-04-11 6:46:04 AM  
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2021-04-11 6:48:36 AM  
As far as celebrity matches go, he did a great job.
 
2021-04-11 8:35:11 AM  
I haven't watched much of wrestling since it was the WWF, but I figured it was WrestleMania and it was free on Peacock, so what the hell, I'll give it a shot.

Whoever is directing the camera work in that production needs to be fired into the sun.  It's like they watched Bourne Supremacy and walked away thinking all it needed was more camera cuts during the action scenes.  I literally had to stop watching due to a headache by the end of the first match.  I just don't get how you fark that up so bad.  Even the interview segments in the preshow had the camera swaying forward and back for no reason.  Were they actively trying to simulate being on a ship since they were playing in Tampa, or what?
 
2021-04-11 8:42:36 AM  

NeoCortex42: I haven't watched much of wrestling since it was the WWF, but I figured it was WrestleMania and it was free on Peacock, so what the hell, I'll give it a shot.

Whoever is directing the camera work in that production needs to be fired into the sun.  It's like they watched Bourne Supremacy and walked away thinking all it needed was more camera cuts during the action scenes.  I literally had to stop watching due to a headache by the end of the first match.  I just don't get how you fark that up so bad.  Even the interview segments in the preshow had the camera swaying forward and back for no reason.  Were they actively trying to simulate being on a ship since they were playing in Tampa, or what?


I think they deliberately.cut from one camera to another if a moved looks bad.
 
2021-04-11 9:09:21 AM  

foo monkey: NeoCortex42: I haven't watched much of wrestling since it was the WWF, but I figured it was WrestleMania and it was free on Peacock, so what the hell, I'll give it a shot.

Whoever is directing the camera work in that production needs to be fired into the sun.  It's like they watched Bourne Supremacy and walked away thinking all it needed was more camera cuts during the action scenes.  I literally had to stop watching due to a headache by the end of the first match.  I just don't get how you fark that up so bad.  Even the interview segments in the preshow had the camera swaying forward and back for no reason.  Were they actively trying to simulate being on a ship since they were playing in Tampa, or what?

I think they deliberately.cut from one camera to another if a moved looks bad.


The cuts for the moves yes but sometimes during the a beatdown the camera goes up and down fast. That and the fast camera shots are nauseating.
 
2021-04-11 9:13:40 AM  

thesharkman: foo monkey: NeoCortex42: I haven't watched much of wrestling since it was the WWF, but I figured it was WrestleMania and it was free on Peacock, so what the hell, I'll give it a shot.

Whoever is directing the camera work in that production needs to be fired into the sun.  It's like they watched Bourne Supremacy and walked away thinking all it needed was more camera cuts during the action scenes.  I literally had to stop watching due to a headache by the end of the first match.  I just don't get how you fark that up so bad.  Even the interview segments in the preshow had the camera swaying forward and back for no reason.  Were they actively trying to simulate being on a ship since they were playing in Tampa, or what?

I think they deliberately.cut from one camera to another if a moved looks bad.

The cuts for the moves yes but sometimes during the a beatdown the camera goes up and down fast. That and the fast camera shots are nauseating.


Yep. When someone's in the corner getting punched five times, there should not be 10 camera cuts in that span.

The wrestlers are doing this live, not cutting together a dozen different takes. Have the respect to actually use a steady shot for more than a few seconds.
 
2021-04-11 9:45:08 AM  

NeoCortex42: I haven't watched much of wrestling since it was the WWF, but I figured it was WrestleMania and it was free on Peacock, so what the hell, I'll give it a shot.

Whoever is directing the camera work in that production needs to be fired into the sun.  It's like they watched Bourne Supremacy and walked away thinking all it needed was more camera cuts during the action scenes.  I literally had to stop watching due to a headache by the end of the first match.  I just don't get how you fark that up so bad.  Even the interview segments in the preshow had the camera swaying forward and back for no reason.  Were they actively trying to simulate being on a ship since they were playing in Tampa, or what?


The camera work is pretty terrible, yeah. It's been a complaint for awhile now and we were definitely talking about it in the Wrestlemania thread. If I could change any one thing about the product right now that would be pretty high on the list.
 
2021-04-11 10:03:03 AM  

NKURyan: NeoCortex42: I haven't watched much of wrestling since it was the WWF, but I figured it was WrestleMania and it was free on Peacock, so what the hell, I'll give it a shot.

Whoever is directing the camera work in that production needs to be fired into the sun.  It's like they watched Bourne Supremacy and walked away thinking all it needed was more camera cuts during the action scenes.  I literally had to stop watching due to a headache by the end of the first match.  I just don't get how you fark that up so bad.  Even the interview segments in the preshow had the camera swaying forward and back for no reason.  Were they actively trying to simulate being on a ship since they were playing in Tampa, or what?

The camera work is pretty terrible, yeah. It's been a complaint for awhile now and we were definitely talking about it in the Wrestlemania thread. If I could change any one thing about the product right now that would be pretty high on the list.


The only other complaint I had, and it was only one fight I watched, so maybe it's not indicative of things in general, was that the fight pacing/scripting wasn't that compelling.  It seemed like one guy was dominant, while the other was close to losing, then suddenly the situation was reversed.  Now that in general is fine, but it seemed to happen every couple minutes in the fight to the point where it kind of sucked any believability or investment out of it.  It just felt like the comeback moments in the fight happened so frequently that they weren't really earned.

I might go back and rewatch some older matches since they're on there to see how they compare, but I remember things being paced a bit better and less rushed years ago.  When Hulk would "recover" and get his second wind when close to losing, it was a really big moment and played as such.

That said, and to not be only a complainer, I did like most of the personalities I saw during the pre-match stuff, and the wrestlers in the ring were solid with the moves.
 
2021-04-11 10:23:43 AM  
Loco ft. Bad Bunny - SNL
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2021-04-11 11:15:12 AM  
Potential WEGOT?
 
2021-04-11 11:30:40 AM  
The Grammys are still real to me
 
2021-04-11 12:08:33 PM  

NeoCortex42: NKURyan: NeoCortex42: I haven't watched much of wrestling since it was the WWF, but I figured it was WrestleMania and it was free on Peacock, so what the hell, I'll give it a shot.

Whoever is directing the camera work in that production needs to be fired into the sun.  It's like they watched Bourne Supremacy and walked away thinking all it needed was more camera cuts during the action scenes.  I literally had to stop watching due to a headache by the end of the first match.  I just don't get how you fark that up so bad.  Even the interview segments in the preshow had the camera swaying forward and back for no reason.  Were they actively trying to simulate being on a ship since they were playing in Tampa, or what?

The camera work is pretty terrible, yeah. It's been a complaint for awhile now and we were definitely talking about it in the Wrestlemania thread. If I could change any one thing about the product right now that would be pretty high on the list.

The only other complaint I had, and it was only one fight I watched, so maybe it's not indicative of things in general, was that the fight pacing/scripting wasn't that compelling.  It seemed like one guy was dominant, while the other was close to losing, then suddenly the situation was reversed.  Now that in general is fine, but it seemed to happen every couple minutes in the fight to the point where it kind of sucked any believability or investment out of it.  It just felt like the comeback moments in the fight happened so frequently that they weren't really earned.

I might go back and rewatch some older matches since they're on there to see how they compare, but I remember things being paced a bit better and less rushed years ago.  When Hulk would "recover" and get his second wind when close to losing, it was a really big moment and played as such.

That said, and to not be only a complainer, I did like most of the personalities I saw during the pre-match stuff, and the wrestlers in the ring were solid with th ...


Which match did you watch? The first one (McIntyre vs Lashley)? I don't remember that one being bad, though I didn't think it was great either. It could have to do with how you're coming into the match - if it's the only match you've watched in a long while and you don't really feel strongly about either guy you probably don't have the investment you had when you were younger. For those of us pulling for Drew - who basically carried the company as champion throughout the pandemic, finally getting his big title win right when fans were no longer able to attend and having to be the face of the company in empty arenas - it probably hit a little different to see him get some momentum, get stalled, get some momentum, get stalled, etc.

I get what you're saying about Hogan, but even then when you really think about it he did that exact same thing in pretty much every match he ever had as a "good guy". WWE can still pull off that type of moment well too - chances are we'll see it with Daniel Bryan in the main event on Sunday (though he'll probably come up short).

If you happen to catch any of it tonight, drop by the thread here. We can usually help throw out a little context and/or story history as needed.
 
2021-04-11 12:17:48 PM  

NKURyan: NeoCortex42: NKURyan: NeoCortex42: I haven't watched much of wrestling since it was the WWF, but I figured it was WrestleMania and it was free on Peacock, so what the hell, I'll give it a shot.

Whoever is directing the camera work in that production needs to be fired into the sun.  It's like they watched Bourne Supremacy and walked away thinking all it needed was more camera cuts during the action scenes.  I literally had to stop watching due to a headache by the end of the first match.  I just don't get how you fark that up so bad.  Even the interview segments in the preshow had the camera swaying forward and back for no reason.  Were they actively trying to simulate being on a ship since they were playing in Tampa, or what?

The camera work is pretty terrible, yeah. It's been a complaint for awhile now and we were definitely talking about it in the Wrestlemania thread. If I could change any one thing about the product right now that would be pretty high on the list.

The only other complaint I had, and it was only one fight I watched, so maybe it's not indicative of things in general, was that the fight pacing/scripting wasn't that compelling.  It seemed like one guy was dominant, while the other was close to losing, then suddenly the situation was reversed.  Now that in general is fine, but it seemed to happen every couple minutes in the fight to the point where it kind of sucked any believability or investment out of it.  It just felt like the comeback moments in the fight happened so frequently that they weren't really earned.

I might go back and rewatch some older matches since they're on there to see how they compare, but I remember things being paced a bit better and less rushed years ago.  When Hulk would "recover" and get his second wind when close to losing, it was a really big moment and played as such.

That said, and to not be only a complainer, I did like most of the personalities I saw during the pre-match stuff, and the wrestlers in the ring were ...


Yeah, it was just the first match I watched.  And I did like the wrestlers that were in it, but I just felt like the fight itself didn't really have any overall momentum to it.  I was able to pick up on the context of the match in the broader story sense, but it just felt like they were switching up who was dominant in the match so frequently that it didn't have as much weight as if they had just done fewer comebacks and instead let each guy have control of the fight for a longer stretch each time.

I'd love to give it another shot, but the camera production is just a non-starter for me.  I seriously had to nurse a headache after watching just that one match.  I really like to pay attention to the individual moves, but as soon as I focus on what's happening, they've cut to another angle in the middle of it.  If they replace whoever is directing the cutting, I might come back in the future and give things another shot.  I was actually curious to see the women's match, since those were barely a rare novelty when I last followed wrestling, but I just couldn't make it that far.

All I can say is, I think, just from a quick glance, they've got the ring talent.  They just need to overhaul the production aspect in a major way.
 
2021-04-11 12:28:00 PM  
Y'all should just stop watching. That should do the trick.
 
2021-04-11 12:38:08 PM  
Pretty sure Cindi Lauper did this.
 
2021-04-11 1:46:12 PM  
How to we have a thread on this but no Masters thread? A Japanese fellow is about to win this thing. I don't think that's ever happened.
 
2021-04-11 3:08:17 PM  
At least it wasn't Stuffy Bunny... (google at your own risk)
 
2021-04-11 3:21:19 PM  
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2021-04-11 3:40:22 PM  
Also kudos to Miz & Morrison. They kept Bunny safe and made him look like a million bucks in the ring.
 
2021-04-11 5:23:54 PM  

NeoCortex42: NKURyan: NeoCortex42: NKURyan: NeoCortex42: I haven't watched much of wrestling since it was the WWF, but I figured it was WrestleMania and it was free on Peacock, so what the hell, I'll give it a shot.

Whoever is directing the camera work in that production needs to be fired into the sun.  It's like they watched Bourne Supremacy and walked away thinking all it needed was more camera cuts during the action scenes.  I literally had to stop watching due to a headache by the end of the first match.  I just don't get how you fark that up so bad.  Even the interview segments in the preshow had the camera swaying forward and back for no reason.  Were they actively trying to simulate being on a ship since they were playing in Tampa, or what?

The camera work is pretty terrible, yeah. It's been a complaint for awhile now and we were definitely talking about it in the Wrestlemania thread. If I could change any one thing about the product right now that would be pretty high on the list.

The only other complaint I had, and it was only one fight I watched, so maybe it's not indicative of things in general, was that the fight pacing/scripting wasn't that compelling.  It seemed like one guy was dominant, while the other was close to losing, then suddenly the situation was reversed.  Now that in general is fine, but it seemed to happen every couple minutes in the fight to the point where it kind of sucked any believability or investment out of it.  It just felt like the comeback moments in the fight happened so frequently that they weren't really earned.

I might go back and rewatch some older matches since they're on there to see how they compare, but I remember things being paced a bit better and less rushed years ago.  When Hulk would "recover" and get his second wind when close to losing, it was a really big moment and played as such.

That said, and to not be only a complainer, I did like most of the personalities I saw during the pre-match stuff, and the wrestlers in the r ...


Someone last night mentioned a tweet where someone counted the camera cuts in the first minute of RAW one show and it was 55 (basically one a second). Now I watch a number of different companies (yes, there are more than 3 wrestling promotions out there) and WWE does it way way WAY more than anyone else. However, at this point, it has become their "house style" to do so. Other companies do it quite a bit less & I have seen a few where they maybe did 55 cuts in a 30 minute match. I have even seen a decent show with pretty much no cuts for matches as they used a fixed camera once one started and that was all & in that case it worked. But Vince & BBMF have it in their little heads that we WANT tons of cuts as that makes the action seem more exciting! All it really does is annoy people.

/also helps me know when I am too high while watching
//would explain some of my posts too
 
2021-04-11 5:35:13 PM  
I'm still trying to figure out WTF I'm hearing.
Macy's New York Thanksgiving Parade Ft/Con Bad Bunny
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Is he trying to summon Cthulhu from his slumber?
 
2021-04-11 5:44:38 PM  

isamudyson: NeoCortex42: NKURyan: NeoCortex42: NKURyan: NeoCortex42: I haven't watched much of wrestling since it was the WWF, but I figured it was WrestleMania and it was free on Peacock, so what the hell, I'll give it a shot.

Whoever is directing the camera work in that production needs to be fired into the sun.  It's like they watched Bourne Supremacy and walked away thinking all it needed was more camera cuts during the action scenes.  I literally had to stop watching due to a headache by the end of the first match.  I just don't get how you fark that up so bad.  Even the interview segments in the preshow had the camera swaying forward and back for no reason.  Were they actively trying to simulate being on a ship since they were playing in Tampa, or what?

The camera work is pretty terrible, yeah. It's been a complaint for awhile now and we were definitely talking about it in the Wrestlemania thread. If I could change any one thing about the product right now that would be pretty high on the list.

The only other complaint I had, and it was only one fight I watched, so maybe it's not indicative of things in general, was that the fight pacing/scripting wasn't that compelling.  It seemed like one guy was dominant, while the other was close to losing, then suddenly the situation was reversed.  Now that in general is fine, but it seemed to happen every couple minutes in the fight to the point where it kind of sucked any believability or investment out of it.  It just felt like the comeback moments in the fight happened so frequently that they weren't really earned.

I might go back and rewatch some older matches since they're on there to see how they compare, but I remember things being paced a bit better and less rushed years ago.  When Hulk would "recover" and get his second wind when close to losing, it was a really big moment and played as such.

That said, and to not be only a complainer, I did like most of the personalities I saw during the pre-match stuff, and the wrest ...


This will probably never happen, but maybe someday we can get a static camera feed through Peacock or something. I know sometimes when ESPN has a big sporting event they'll put up multiple feeds (the "normal" broadcast, feeds with local announcers for each team, a Spanish language broadcast, one with ex-coaches commentary, etc)... maybe NBC can give us a version where it just stays on the traditional side-of-the-ring camera the whole time for those who don't want the typical production to give us seizures.

I don't watch near as much of the other promotions as you do but even I've seen enough New Japan and AEW to know the differences are extremely jarring. Even NXT (another WWE product for those who don't know) isn't as bad as Wrestlemania's production was.

You'd think it would just make their jobs way more difficult too... it makes no sense.
 
2021-04-11 6:50:02 PM  
Any relation to Bhad Bhabie?
 
2021-04-11 7:57:41 PM  
NeoCortex42:
The only other complaint I had, and it was only one fight I watched, so maybe it's not indicative of things in general, was that the fight pacing/scripting wasn't that compelling.  It seemed like one guy was dominant, while the other was close to losing, then suddenly the situation was reversed.  Now that in general is fine, but it seemed to happen every couple minutes in the fight to the point where it kind of sucked any believability or investment out of it.  It just felt like the comeback moments in the fight happened so frequently that they weren't really earned.

This has been standard practice in matches since day one. I have watched on and off over the years from the old Haystack Calhoon and Bruno days. Remember the Undertaker being flat on his back then suddenly sitting up? I like the drama of the stories and feuds more than the actual matches.
 
2021-04-11 8:08:00 PM  

FarkingChas: NeoCortex42:
The only other complaint I had, and it was only one fight I watched, so maybe it's not indicative of things in general, was that the fight pacing/scripting wasn't that compelling.  It seemed like one guy was dominant, while the other was close to losing, then suddenly the situation was reversed.  Now that in general is fine, but it seemed to happen every couple minutes in the fight to the point where it kind of sucked any believability or investment out of it.  It just felt like the comeback moments in the fight happened so frequently that they weren't really earned.

This has been standard practice in matches since day one. I have watched on and off over the years from the old Haystack Calhoon and Bruno days. Remember the Undertaker being flat on his back then suddenly sitting up? I like the drama of the stories and feuds more than the actual matches.


The sudden comeback is an old trope, and I'm fine with that. I just think, at least in the match I watched, it was way overused. That's all. I'm fine with it in general, I just think it should be used more sparingly so the fight has a bit more momentum.
 
2021-04-11 9:25:05 PM  
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2021-04-12 8:02:49 AM  
On the way to the prestigious WEGOT.
 
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