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2021-04-11 2:50:14 AM  
They invented a piece of paper with a note on it?

I suppose zoomers are asking "what's paper?" and don't know why old people think it's strange this has to be invented.
 
2021-04-11 2:52:12 AM  
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Yeah, but does that know go up to 11?
 
2021-04-11 2:53:15 AM  

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Yeah, but does that know go up to 11?


Knob*
Confounded autocarrot!
 
2021-04-11 2:53:22 AM  
So, this seems pointless.  If it becomes known well enough for the victims to know what it is, then so will the traffickers.  Who will either keep the victims from going to the restroom, or will go with them.  Unless I'm missing something, which is entirely possible.
 
2021-04-11 2:59:05 AM  
"The device also releases an adhesive for the victim to inconspicuously wear so that they can be tracked after getting off the plane."

I think that these young inventors need to Google what the word "inconspicuously" means...
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2021-04-11 3:04:38 AM  
This is well-intentioned, but plays into an incorrect stereotype of trafficking. It's almost never a brute force kidnapping. It's far more often coercion and manipulation of vulnerable people that gets them to willingly go along with it.
 
2021-04-11 3:17:53 AM  

Naido: So, this seems pointless.  If it becomes known well enough for the victims to know what it is, then so will the traffickers.  Who will either keep the victims from going to the restroom, or will go with them.  Unless I'm missing something, which is entirely possible.


Consider it like preventing hacking.

You cannot make a system absolutely proof against any and all hacking attempts, but that doesn't make all precautionary measures useless. If you pile one obstacle after another in the hacker's way, you make getting into the system so difficult and discouraging that most hackers won't bother.

Can a trafficker figure out ways to thwart this alarm system? Sure, but it forces them to work a little harder and be a little more clever. Go in the restroom with the victim to make sure she doesn't trigger it? An adult going into the onboard bathroom with a teenager might attract attention. Don't let her use the bathroom at all? If it's a long flight, that's going to be a problem. Use some other way to transport victims? If it worked as well or better than a commercial jet flight, traffickers would already be using it instead.

Pile up multiple measures, and a lot of sex traffickers might decide to go into drug pushing instead. (Or becoming politicians. . . .)
 
2021-04-11 3:20:34 AM  
Does it involve looking for the name Matt Gaetz on the passenger list?
 
2021-04-11 4:06:10 AM  
My fantasy is to win a lottery so big that I can pay mercenaries to go around the world taking out human traffickers.  I consider slavery to be one of mankind's greatest evils.
 
2021-04-11 4:07:59 AM  
 
2021-04-11 4:25:15 AM  

Do you know the way to Mordor: I still prefer the method of stealing spoons to stop sex trafficking.

https://pop.inquirer.net/51269/metal-s​poon-in-underwear-save-from-human-traf​ficking-forced-marriage-airport


As with any other trick, once word of it reaches the web, traffickers learn it, too, and take countermeasures.
 
2021-04-11 4:30:16 AM  

Algebrat: This is well-intentioned, but plays into an incorrect stereotype of trafficking. It's almost never a brute force kidnapping. It's far more often coercion and manipulation of vulnerable people that gets them to willingly go along with it.


I know someone who works in the field of trying to stop trafficking and it took her a long time to figure out some of it just isn't fixable.  There are women working in local brothels from North Korea via China and show up with Chinese documentation for student visas.  The girls work so they can pay off their debt and then keep working so they can get their sisters over so they can earn enough to then get brothers and parents smuggled away.
 
2021-04-11 4:33:52 AM  

Algebrat: This is well-intentioned, but plays into an incorrect stereotype of trafficking. It's almost never a brute force kidnapping. It's far more often coercion and manipulation of vulnerable people that gets them to willingly go along with it.


Yeah. If it were straightforward abduction people would use that word instead of circumlocutions that erase whether the person being "trafficked" objects to the process.
 
2021-04-11 4:36:06 AM  

DON.MAC: Algebrat: This is well-intentioned, but plays into an incorrect stereotype of trafficking. It's almost never a brute force kidnapping. It's far more often coercion and manipulation of vulnerable people that gets them to willingly go along with it.

I know someone who works in the field of trying to stop trafficking and it took her a long time to figure out some of it just isn't fixable.  There are women working in local brothels from North Korea via China and show up with Chinese documentation for student visas.  The girls work so they can pay off their debt and then keep working so they can get their sisters over so they can earn enough to then get brothers and parents smuggled away.


Because the U.S. is well-known for its embrace of SE asian immigrants?
 
2021-04-11 4:36:25 AM  
Well Matt Gaetz certainly won't notice his travel-mate carrying that around

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Sorry, I meant sex trafficker. Not Matt Gaetz. Common mistake
 
2021-04-11 5:00:15 AM  

OgreMagi: My fantasy is to win a lottery so big that I can pay mercenaries to go around the world taking out human traffickers.  I consider slavery to be one of mankind's greatest evils.


Im down with that.....tell you what if I win your in....if you win pm me......
 
2021-04-11 5:03:54 AM  

jefferator: OgreMagi: My fantasy is to win a lottery so big that I can pay mercenaries to go around the world taking out human traffickers.  I consider slavery to be one of mankind's greatest evils.

Im down with that.....tell you what if I win your in....if you win pm me......


In not sure anyone will help. You will need to assemble a team.

What kind of a team, I'm not sure.
 
2021-04-11 5:11:16 AM  

Naido: So, this seems pointless.  If it becomes known well enough for the victims to know what it is, then so will the traffickers.  Who will either keep the victims from going to the restroom, or will go with them.  Unless I'm missing something, which is entirely possible.


All she has to do is start talking loudly about having to change her tampon and how if she doesn't go soon she'll have blood gushing out and staining the seat. They'll let her go.

Also, have you ever been in an airplane bathroom? Getting 2 people in there is a trick and doing so means you can't use the toilet. Also, people are going to think you're going to have sex, so stewardesses aren't going to let 2 people in the can unless one of them is under 4 years old. 3 bathrooms for 300 people, no way are they going to let you use one for 10+ min. Actually it would probably take longer than that to get pants off. It'd be like the tile game. "If you move your arm there, then I can shift my hips here and reach the zipper with the tips of my fingers on my left hand..."
 
2021-04-11 7:24:46 AM  

NotARocketScientist: Naido: So, this seems pointless.  If it becomes known well enough for the victims to know what it is, then so will the traffickers.  Who will either keep the victims from going to the restroom, or will go with them.  Unless I'm missing something, which is entirely possible.

All she has to do is start talking loudly about having to change her tampon and how if she doesn't go soon she'll have blood gushing out and staining the seat. They'll let her go.

Also, have you ever been in an airplane bathroom? Getting 2 people in there is a trick and doing so means you can't use the toilet. Also, people are going to think you're going to have sex, so stewardesses aren't going to let 2 people in the can unless one of them is under 4 years old. 3 bathrooms for 300 people, no way are they going to let you use one for 10+ min. Actually it would probably take longer than that to get pants off. It'd be like the tile game. "If you move your arm there, then I can shift my hips here and reach the zipper with the tips of my fingers on my left hand..."


That's like old, "If a guy tries to rape you, tell him you are on your period...or just poop and he won't wanna bang you" thing.

See, the type of people who rape other people have a pretty high tolerance for gross stuff. The type of person who traffic's humanbeings against their will aren't going to have the slightest problem avoiding stuff like this because they won't act like decent people.

More importantly, most trafficking victims aren't flown against their will. I'm not saying it doesn't happen, but most of them time they are willingly traveling, for whatever reason. They might have been lied to about the work they will be doing, lied to about the pay, or told the truth but later will not be able to leave. Or they might have been blackmailed in such a way that they don't want the authorities involved.

So yes, 'conscenting' victims will never hit the button. Non-consenting victims won't get the chance because once this becomes popular trafficker types will make it impossible for them to go to the bathroom.

Literally, they could just start yelling, 'help help help' while on the plane, without any buttons. The whole point is that they aren't actively trying to resist.
 
2021-04-11 7:37:55 AM  
The realist in me realizes this idea will end up on the floor with kids using it as a CV line for their college application.

Even if they do win they would have to FAA and ICAO sign offs to have the device integrated onto commercial aircraft. Then they would have to get the airlines to sign off on purchasing and installing them to their fleets.

Probably the best way would be to get Congress to mandate it, but with people like Matt Gaetz serving, I doubt it would go anywhere.

/If installed, I foresee many children and drunk passengers accidentally hitting it.
 
2021-04-11 7:44:38 AM  
There's been quite enough silent alarms left in airplane restrooms thank you.
 
2021-04-11 7:52:22 AM  

Spermbot: Do you know the way to Mordor: I still prefer the method of stealing spoons to stop sex trafficking.

https://pop.inquirer.net/51269/metal-s​poon-in-underwear-save-from-human-traf​ficking-forced-marriage-airport

As with any other trick, once word of it reaches the web, traffickers learn it, too, and take countermeasures.


Well, that's why they have to bring out new flu vaccines every year- the goodies find ways to stop the baddies, the baddies learn how to bypass those strategies, so the goodies have to evolve and find new strategies. It's a constant battle and as a goodie you can't let your guard down just because you think you have solved a problem and defeated the baddies in one way.
 
2021-04-11 8:01:34 AM  

Sabreace22: The realist in me realizes this idea will end up on the floor with kids using it as a CV line for their college application.

Even if they do win they would have to FAA and ICAO sign offs to have the device integrated onto commercial aircraft. Then they would have to get the airlines to sign off on purchasing and installing them to their fleets.

Probably the best way would be to get Congress to mandate it, but with people like Matt Gaetz serving, I doubt it would go anywhere.

/If installed, I foresee many children and drunk passengers accidentally hitting it.


Matt Gaetz was literally the only one to vote against a human trafficking bill, and even he may be on his way out. There are not enough "people like him" in Congress to stop something like this and even the most cynical Farker knows it.

/Could it fail for any number of other reasons? Sure.
 
2021-04-11 8:06:36 AM  
The thing about trafficking is that while everyone likes to think all these young women are being stolen off the streets most are going willingly. Maybe they were lied to about what they'd be doing or maybe they think giving Americans handjobs in Florida is still better than being poor in Ukraine or Vietnam. It's when they get over here and their passports are stolen and they no longer have a choice but to keep working in prostitution that there's an issue. Put a silent alarm in every "spa" instead of the planes not every prostitute is a victim but the ones that are need a way to safely get help.
 
2021-04-11 9:05:54 AM  

big pig peaches: jefferator: OgreMagi: My fantasy is to win a lottery so big that I can pay mercenaries to go around the world taking out human traffickers.  I consider slavery to be one of mankind's greatest evils.

Im down with that.....tell you what if I win your in....if you win pm me......

In not sure anyone will help. You will need to assemble a team.

What kind of a team, I'm not sure.


what letter would you use for your team?
 
2021-04-11 9:15:48 AM  

OgreMagi: My fantasy is to win a lottery so big that I can pay mercenaries to go around the world taking out human traffickers.  I consider slavery to be one of mankind's greatest evils.


Most mercs (and currently-serving military) would rather avail themselves of sex slaves than take out their pimps, summer child.

Someone has a John Wayne RW view of the military.
 
2021-04-11 9:18:28 AM  
Victims and perpetrators aside, having such a device where the public can access means the stoopid public will access it and inappropriately, creating all manner of chaos.
 
2021-04-11 9:19:20 AM  

Sabreace22: The realist in me realizes this idea will end up on the floor with kids using it as a CV line for their college application.


So, "I evaded the Russian Mafia last summer" will become the new "I taught HTML to a village in Africa last summer"?
 
2021-04-11 9:30:12 AM  

RTOGUY: The thing about trafficking is that while everyone likes to think all these young women are being stolen off the streets most are going willingly. Maybe they were lied to about what they'd be doing or maybe they think giving Americans handjobs in Florida is still better than being poor in Ukraine or Vietnam. It's when they get over here and their passports are stolen and they no longer have a choice but to keep working in prostitution that there's an issue. Put a silent alarm in every "spa" instead of the planes not every prostitute is a victim but the ones that are need a way to safely get help.


And typically it is more of a "bait and switch", and while in the plane they still may think they are going to America for an entirely different reason and won't find out that their "waiting job" is to be a "massage worker" (or more direct sex worker).

I'd be surprised if most trafficked humans don't have the option to walk up to a police station and turn themselves in as "undocumented" and get a trip back home.  But that "trip back home" will be to the very people who trafficked them and they will be even more completely under their power (which is why they are going along with the trafficking in the first place).  I'm curious what the expected procedure for "detrafficking" somebody is: do they get the full "communist defector" treatment with some starting money and clues to survival in capitalist America?  Send you back home (into the arms of the traffickers)?  Throw you out on the street (in America, hopefully with at least refugee status)?

I'd be shocked silly if the anti-immigration wing/party was willing to do anything for trafficked immigrants other than ship them back home.   And between the anti-immigrant forces and the anti-sex-worked stigma, they are going to win.

For internal US trafficking, it doesn't get much better.  Those girls (and boys) ran away for a specific reason and they presumably can physically "run" back.  But I'd be surprised if it isn't just pride keeping them from running back, but that they left because that even being trafficked (a term that includes providing services for a John) beats going back home.  Good luck finding alternative housing and jobs (especially if underage), and don't ask about drug use.

Sure, there are those that are locked up.  And the locals all know exactly where they are.  If the cops did anything but shoot up the neighborhoods, they might even tell the cops.
 
2021-04-11 9:33:12 AM  

BolshyGreatYarblocks: Sabreace22: The realist in me realizes this idea will end up on the floor with kids using it as a CV line for their college application.

So, "I evaded the Russian Mafia last summer" will become the new "I taught HTML to a village in Africa last summer"?


Unless these students have drawn the ire of the Russian Mafia, I was referring to the middle school student engineers who developed the idea, not the victims of human trafficking.
 
2021-04-11 9:38:30 AM  
How are smuggled women being taken aboard planes if TSA checks IDs? Do they have legit IDs?
 
2021-04-11 9:39:54 AM  

Naido: So, this seems pointless.  If it becomes known well enough for the victims to know what it is, then so will the traffickers.  Who will either keep the victims from going to the restroom, or will go with them.  Unless I'm missing something, which is entirely possible.


Agree.  And if they get away to the restroom, there's also a flight attendant in the galley.

However, pressing a button like that might take less courage than walking up to somebody and expressing in words the terror they're living.

Good on the kids for trying to figure something out.  It may not be THE solution, but it's amazing that this is what they're trying to solve.
 
2021-04-11 10:05:31 AM  

Algebrat: This is well-intentioned, but plays into an incorrect stereotype of trafficking. It's almost never a brute force kidnapping. It's far more often coercion and manipulation of vulnerable people that gets them to willingly go along with it.


This is the same reason legalizing prostitution won't do anything to elevate sex-trafficking, but will only make it worse. Not that I am fundamentally against it, it's just that this particular argument is not valid.
 
2021-04-11 10:13:09 AM  

OgreMagi: I consider slavery to be one of mankind's greatest evils.

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2021-04-11 10:14:30 AM  
Common misconception that.victims of sex trafficking are being coerced. Some keep doing it because it is far better than the alertitive of thier home country
 
2021-04-11 10:24:17 AM  
Our training over domestic sex trafficking made it explicitly clear, most victims don't realize they're victims until later. The most common tactic is to to use a slightly older than them "romantic partner," like a boy they met online in a different city.

Then they start the pressure. "If you love me you'll do _______."

Then drugs, pressure, shame, and abuse to keep them in line.

And if they go to the cops for help, many times they're nabbed for prostitution and since they have no money, guess who controls their bail?

This button is a noble gesture, but tied to the misconception of how trafficking works.

And airport is pretty much the safest place to arrest someone. Also i think some of the 1-6 rioters got nabbed this way
 
2021-04-11 10:26:35 AM  

big pig peaches: jefferator: OgreMagi: My fantasy is to win a lottery so big that I can pay mercenaries to go around the world taking out human traffickers.  I consider slavery to be one of mankind's greatest evils.

Im down with that.....tell you what if I win your in....if you win pm me......

In not sure anyone will help. You will need to assemble a team.

What kind of a team, I'm not sure.


You will need me for sure.

I'm a Navy SEAL Cowboy Astronaut!
 
2021-04-11 10:59:23 AM  
Good luck getting airlines to spend money putting these in their planes.
 
2021-04-11 12:26:58 PM  
Can see trolls have mass loads of fun with that.
 
2021-04-11 1:25:37 PM  

BolshyGreatYarblocks: OgreMagi: My fantasy is to win a lottery so big that I can pay mercenaries to go around the world taking out human traffickers.  I consider slavery to be one of mankind's greatest evils.

Most mercs (and currently-serving military) would rather avail themselves of sex slaves than take out their pimps, summer child.

Someone has a John Wayne RW view of the military.


I do not want boy scouts to do the work.
 
2021-04-11 1:50:23 PM  

RTOGUY: The thing about trafficking is that while everyone likes to think all these young women are being stolen off the streets most are going willingly. Maybe they were lied to about what they'd be doing or maybe they think giving Americans handjobs in Florida is still better than being poor in Ukraine or Vietnam. It's when they get over here and their passports are stolen and they no longer have a choice but to keep working in prostitution that there's an issue. Put a silent alarm in every "spa" instead of the planes not every prostitute is a victim but the ones that are need a way to safely get help.


Police are not concerned about 'helping'.

Look at the Robert Kraft case.  Police video taped for 6 months before they helped all the women by arresting them.
 
2021-04-11 1:51:27 PM  
SO human traffickers now must put adult diapers on their victims to prevent them from using the restroom, during which time they can check for spoons.

Amirite?
 
2021-04-11 2:10:52 PM  
I think if this were implemented it would result in a slew of false alarms, triggered by people who are either less-than-observant or otherwise befuddled mistaking it for the soap dispenser. Humans on average are dumb creatures, if you put a somewhat nondescript button in a public area that isn't bright-red and marked 'fire,' some idiot somewhere will push it for the wrong reasons.

Noble effort, but overall it probably wouldn't do any good.
 
2021-04-11 3:26:23 PM  

RTOGUY: Put a silent alarm in every "spa" instead of the planes not every prostitute is a victim but the ones that are need a way to safely get help.


"Spa" owners know that they're "employing" trafficked women/girls.  What reason would they have to expose the illegality of their own operations by installing a silent alarm?
 
2021-04-11 3:30:11 PM  
Kid in airplane bathroom: "Daddy didn't get me that thing I wanted at Disney World? Well, I'll show HIM!"
 
2021-04-11 3:31:41 PM  
There wouldn't be trafficked women if there weren't a demand for trafficked women.  Reduce the demand and you'll reduce the supply.  I would propose making use of the "services" of a trafficked woman to be a felony on the same level as the trafficking itself, since the "john" is every much a part of the problem here.

If men start to realize they could be facing 20 years in the slammer for getting their ashes hauled, you'd see a lot less of this.
 
2021-04-11 4:16:38 PM  

Mouser: There wouldn't be trafficked women if there weren't a demand for trafficked women.  Reduce the demand and you'll reduce the supply.  I would propose making use of the "services" of a trafficked woman to be a felony on the same level as the trafficking itself, since the "john" is every much a part of the problem here.

If men start to realize they could be facing 20 years in the slammer for getting their ashes hauled, you'd see a lot less of this.


Or prostitution could be legalized.
 
2021-04-11 5:20:28 PM  

Spermbot: Do you know the way to Mordor: I still prefer the method of stealing spoons to stop sex trafficking.

https://pop.inquirer.net/51269/metal-s​poon-in-underwear-save-from-human-traf​ficking-forced-marriage-airport

As with any other trick, once word of it reaches the web, traffickers learn it, too, and take countermeasures.


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2021-04-11 5:20:31 PM  

HempHead: Mouser: There wouldn't be trafficked women if there weren't a demand for trafficked women.  Reduce the demand and you'll reduce the supply.  I would propose making use of the "services" of a trafficked woman to be a felony on the same level as the trafficking itself, since the "john" is every much a part of the problem here.

If men start to realize they could be facing 20 years in the slammer for getting their ashes hauled, you'd see a lot less of this.

Or prostitution could be legalized.


I wish it would be. Being a good person and decently good-looking isn't enough when you're disabled, because there are plenty of good-looking great guys who are also able-bodied. Every woman wants a guy who can go dancing and traveling and whatever. It's nobody's fault, it just sucks.

But there is so much loneliness in this world. Just pretending for a little while would be a big help to a lot of people. Whores are heroes, in my opinion. I wish I could let one help me.

/sorry for the weird comment
 
2021-04-11 5:50:51 PM  
APPROVES!!

Damn, I miss Gorgor so much!
 
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