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2021-04-10 6:33:12 PM  
I met Mary MacQueen once, but she was in-character as Lady Luck.  She's an icon for that, but I had no idea she voiced Lisa Hayes.  I'm such an idiot.
 
2021-04-10 7:48:32 PM  
heh
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2021-04-10 8:13:25 PM  
Fark Carl Macek
 
2021-04-10 9:01:04 PM  

teto85: Fark Carl Macek


This

My name is listed in the preorder "thanks" for the Animego box st of Macross

Also the Captain Taylor box set, but that's not important now
 
2021-04-10 9:31:45 PM  
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2021-04-10 9:50:22 PM  

teto85: Fark Carl Macek


Not really Macek's fault. It's the Agramas who have been absolute litigious dicks about it all.

Anyways, happy things got resolved. Hoping HBS gets the Unseen back. Can't wait for a live-action Robotech movie.
 
2021-04-10 9:52:03 PM  

skyotter: heh
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The genuinely frustrating thing is that FASA thought that they legitimately bought the license to use the Macross artwork.  From a company (TCI) which was legally importing the model kits, agreed to sell them the rights, took their money...and who didn't actually have the rights to the artwork to sell to FASA in the first place.  But TCI certainly was fine with taking their money and not bothering to tell that to FASA.  FASA was trying to operate in good faith, and got completely screwed over.  And has been continually screwed over because of it for the last 25 years.

They weren't trying to steal the artwork from Macross/Dougram/Crusher Joe.  They were trying to pay the right people money, and were taken advantage of, and the BattleTech franchise will literally never get out from that shadow.

/the resultant FASA v Playmates/Harmony Gold lawsuit is what largely defined how international rights distribution worked, so, no, it's not reasonable to have said that they should have done better casework prior to spending their money
 
2021-04-10 10:05:12 PM  
Harmony Gold should have been wiped off the face of the planet by a Steiner Scout Squad ages ago.
 
2021-04-10 10:05:49 PM  
I'm old enough to remember when Macross was originally intended to be a parody of "giant robot" shows of the time as well as Space Cruiser Yamato. Some of the goofier elements (gigantic transforming spaceship with aircraft carriers for arms, an alien race of all guys acting like horny pubescent idiots at the sight of a female idol singer) made it through the conversion.
 
2021-04-10 10:25:09 PM  
I know Mechwarrior got the rights from someone so not sure how any of this will effect them -- both Online and 5. I doubt it will be of much consequence.

/ They're Canadian so nothing gets past those geese.
 
2021-04-10 10:59:28 PM  

RoyFokker'sGhost: teto85: Fark Carl Macek

Not really Macek's fault. It's the Agramas who have been absolute litigious dicks about it all.

Anyways, happy things got resolved. Hoping HBS gets the Unseen back. Can't wait for a live-action Robotech movie.


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2021-04-10 11:17:57 PM  

baka-san: teto85: Fark Carl Macek

This

My name is listed in the preorder "thanks" for the Animego box st of Macross

Also the Captain Taylor box set, but that's not important now


Time to re-watch  that box set, then Macross Plus and look foward to the upcoming releases to watch.
 
2021-04-10 11:38:33 PM  

FightDirector: skyotter: heh
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The genuinely frustrating thing is that FASA thought that they legitimately bought the license to use the Macross artwork.  From a company (TCI) which was legally importing the model kits, agreed to sell them the rights, took their money...and who didn't actually have the rights to the artwork to sell to FASA in the first place.  But TCI certainly was fine with taking their money and not bothering to tell that to FASA.  FASA was trying to operate in good faith, and got completely screwed over.  And has been continually screwed over because of it for the last 25 years.

They weren't trying to steal the artwork from Macross/Dougram/Crusher Joe.  They were trying to pay the right people money, and were taken advantage of, and the BattleTech franchise will literally never get out from that shadow.

/the resultant FASA v Playmates/Harmony Gold lawsuit is what largely defined how international rights distribution worked, so, no, it's not reasonable to have said that they should have done better casework prior to spending their money


But TCI actually did have the rights. They represented Big West, who in turn represented Studio Nue, the original designers and animators for Macross. Tatsunoko was the distributor, and who Harmony Gold went to. In 2014, a Japanese court decided that Studio Nue owned the image rights to the Macross mecha and character designs, not Tatsunoko. So, ultimately, FASA should have had the rights all along.

Now, if Harmony Gold is smart (yeah, yeah...I know...), with the licensing deal with Palladium gone, they and Tatsunoko will forge a new deal with FASA's successors, namely Hare Brained Schemes and WhizKids to allow the Unseen to return fully and to produce Robotech & Macross video games and miniatures games.
 
2021-04-10 11:40:10 PM  

LowbrowDeluxe: Harmony Gold should have been wiped off the face of the planet by a Steiner Scout Squad Lance ages ago.


So does that mean the remaining Unseen, which were re-seen, then unseen again can be re-seen again?
 
2021-04-10 11:51:49 PM  

Erek the Red: LowbrowDeluxe: Harmony Gold should have been wiped off the face of the planet by a Steiner Scout Squad Lance ages ago.

So does that mean the remaining Unseen, which were re-seen, then unseen again can be re-seen again?


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You can see a lot of things in space.
 
2021-04-10 11:52:55 PM  

AAAAGGGGHHHH: I'm old enough to remember when Macross was originally intended to be a parody of "giant robot" shows of the time as well as Space Cruiser Yamato. Some of the goofier elements (gigantic transforming spaceship with aircraft carriers for arms, an alien race of all guys acting like horny pubescent idiots at the sight of a female idol singer) made it through the conversion.


Huh, I kind of thought the whole idol singer thing was just Japan being Japan with their weird pop idol obsession.  Still, this is cool news.  Wonder if it means we could get a more faithful translation for the series at some point.
 
2021-04-11 2:32:24 AM  

Last Man on Earth: AAAAGGGGHHHH: I'm old enough to remember when Macross was originally intended to be a parody of "giant robot" shows of the time as well as Space Cruiser Yamato. Some of the goofier elements (gigantic transforming spaceship with aircraft carriers for arms, an alien race of all guys acting like horny pubescent idiots at the sight of a female idol singer) made it through the conversion.

Huh, I kind of thought the whole idol singer thing was just Japan being Japan with their weird pop idol obsession.  Still, this is cool news.  Wonder if it means we could get a more faithful translation for the series at some point.


I remember watching Robotech every afternoon, as a young teen in the mid 80's, and thinking Mechs rock, Rick Hunter is a bit of a dweeb and Japan has a real problem infantilizing women.
 
2021-04-11 2:39:21 AM  

CrazyCurt: I know Mechwarrior got the rights from someone so not sure how any of this will effect them -- both Online and 5. I doubt it will be of much consequence.

/ They're Canadian so nothing gets past those geese.


Piranha Games and harmony gold settled out of court with Piranha able to keep using the unseen mechs.
 
2021-04-11 7:01:36 AM  

skyotter: heh
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I literally have this box on my game shelf. It's got to be 25 years old, well-played; and just waiting for my kid to be of age, which he is, in a pandemic. I'm thinking it's time to dust it off.
 
2021-04-11 7:02:17 AM  

smileyphase: skyotter: heh
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I literally have this box on my game shelf. It's got to be 25 years old, well-played; and just waiting for my kid to be of age, which he is, in a pandemic. I'm thinking it's time to dust it off.


Nevermind, 'battledroids'. Haha. :)
 
2021-04-11 9:04:13 AM  

Torqueknot: Last Man on Earth: AAAAGGGGHHHH: I'm old enough to remember when Macross was originally intended to be a parody of "giant robot" shows of the time as well as Space Cruiser Yamato. Some of the goofier elements (gigantic transforming spaceship with aircraft carriers for arms, an alien race of all guys acting like horny pubescent idiots at the sight of a female idol singer) made it through the conversion.

Huh, I kind of thought the whole idol singer thing was just Japan being Japan with their weird pop idol obsession.  Still, this is cool news.  Wonder if it means we could get a more faithful translation for the series at some point.

I remember watching Robotech every afternoon, as a young teen in the mid 80's, and thinking Mechs rock, Rick Hunter is a bit of a dweeb and Japan has a real problem infantilizing women.


And as it turns out, you were basically three-for-three.
 
2021-04-11 1:43:21 PM  
I remember telling friends when Harmony Gold was at peak litigious that if I ever came into fark you money, that I'd overpay to own them so I could fix all the licensing BS going on.
 
2021-04-11 3:06:56 PM  

skyotter: heh
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It was Lucasfilm that made FASA change the title, not Harmfully Mold.
 
2021-04-11 3:12:26 PM  
Sorry Macross nerds but I'm team Robotech, warts and all.

It wasn't Macross I watched every morning before school. It wasn't Macross books I devoured and still own every single one of. Yes. Even the shiatty Sentinels books, amazon women, mushroom-horned bears and all.

I get the origination and the hashed togetherness of Robotech so keep your originalist crap to yourselves. I. Do. Not. Care. About Macross beyond what it spawned in Robotech.

Because for as hashed together as the video for Robotech is at least it tells a coherent, linear story I have a lot of connection with.

To be clear I don't hate Macross. I just don't care about it, and don't have the an emotional connection to it. I DO hate certain Macross fans like I hate certain Star Wars fans. Like what you like but don't get all sweaty and agitated at me for my liking what I like.


All that bring said lets finally get us some live action mecha action and blow the planet up one more time.
 
2021-04-11 3:18:50 PM  
I have the Robotech box set.  I have opinions.  The animation is really not great, but I nonetheless have opinions.
 
2021-04-11 5:36:53 PM  
I remember watching all of Robotech with friends in one sitting on VHS (we were binge watching before it was cool), according to Wikipedia what I must have watched is the following:

"In 1987, the company then heavily edited the 36-episode Macross Saga portion into six feature-length tapes, cutting out episode introductions and slower scenes, and ignoring the Southern Cross and New Generation series entirely."

The company is Family Home Entertainment, I wish they had edited out the part with the singing girl.
 
2021-04-11 5:57:17 PM  
After all these years, no one has gotten the biggest in-broad-daylight in-joke of the series.

This guy:
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His original name in Macross is Quamzin Kravshera, but in Robotech, they named him "Khyron the Destroyer", after the Chyron, a post-editing device used to edit legit anime and turn it into goofy-ass cartoons.

Bonus Trivia Note: The control panel used to operate the Death Star's planet-killer weapon is also a Chyron.

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2021-04-11 7:26:41 PM  

talkertopc: I remember watching all of Robotech with friends in one sitting on VHS (we were binge watching before it was cool), according to Wikipedia what I must have watched is the following:

"In 1987, the company then heavily edited the 36-episode Macross Saga portion into six feature-length tapes, cutting out episode introductions and slower scenes, and ignoring the Southern Cross and New Generation series entirely."

The company is Family Home Entertainment, I wish they had edited out the part with the singing girl.


Without Minmay, we would have no one to gauge our hatred of ANY OTHER ANIME CHARCTER ON!

I mean hell, she makes Naga the Serpent seem charming.
 
2021-04-11 7:45:55 PM  

baka-san: talkertopc: I remember watching all of Robotech with friends in one sitting on VHS (we were binge watching before it was cool), according to Wikipedia what I must have watched is the following:

"In 1987, the company then heavily edited the 36-episode Macross Saga portion into six feature-length tapes, cutting out episode introductions and slower scenes, and ignoring the Southern Cross and New Generation series entirely."

The company is Family Home Entertainment, I wish they had edited out the part with the singing girl.

Without Minmay, we would have no one to gauge our hatred of ANY OTHER ANIME CHARCTER ON!

I mean hell, she makes Naga the Serpent seem charming.


Minmay is far less annoying in Macross than she is in Robotech. She's an idoru, but she's not an oblivious airhead.
 
2021-04-11 8:06:35 PM  

RoyFokker'sGhost: baka-san: talkertopc: I remember watching all of Robotech with friends in one sitting on VHS (we were binge watching before it was cool), according to Wikipedia what I must have watched is the following:

"In 1987, the company then heavily edited the 36-episode Macross Saga portion into six feature-length tapes, cutting out episode introductions and slower scenes, and ignoring the Southern Cross and New Generation series entirely."

The company is Family Home Entertainment, I wish they had edited out the part with the singing girl.

Without Minmay, we would have no one to gauge our hatred of ANY OTHER ANIME CHARCTER ON!

I mean hell, she makes Naga the Serpent seem charming.

Minmay is far less annoying in Macross than she is in Robotech. She's an idoru, but she's not an oblivious airhead.


Im biasing it on the Macross version.
 
2021-04-11 8:17:30 PM  

baka-san: RoyFokker'sGhost: baka-san: talkertopc: I remember watching all of Robotech with friends in one sitting on VHS (we were binge watching before it was cool), according to Wikipedia what I must have watched is the following:

"In 1987, the company then heavily edited the 36-episode Macross Saga portion into six feature-length tapes, cutting out episode introductions and slower scenes, and ignoring the Southern Cross and New Generation series entirely."

The company is Family Home Entertainment, I wish they had edited out the part with the singing girl.

Without Minmay, we would have no one to gauge our hatred of ANY OTHER ANIME CHARCTER ON!

I mean hell, she makes Naga the Serpent seem charming.

Minmay is far less annoying in Macross than she is in Robotech. She's an idoru, but she's not an oblivious airhead.

Im biasing it on the Macross version.


Fair enough. I was exposed to C-Ko before Macross Minmay, so I suppose my tolerances are different.
 
2021-04-11 8:23:21 PM  

RoyFokker'sGhost: baka-san: RoyFokker'sGhost: baka-san: talkertopc: I remember watching all of Robotech with friends in one sitting on VHS (we were binge watching before it was cool), according to Wikipedia what I must have watched is the following:

"In 1987, the company then heavily edited the 36-episode Macross Saga portion into six feature-length tapes, cutting out episode introductions and slower scenes, and ignoring the Southern Cross and New Generation series entirely."

The company is Family Home Entertainment, I wish they had edited out the part with the singing girl.

Without Minmay, we would have no one to gauge our hatred of ANY OTHER ANIME CHARCTER ON!

I mean hell, she makes Naga the Serpent seem charming.

Minmay is far less annoying in Macross than she is in Robotech. She's an idoru, but she's not an oblivious airhead.

Im biasing it on the Macross version.

Fair enough. I was exposed to C-Ko before Macross Minmay, so I suppose my tolerances are different.


Ok, fair point, they both make Hikaru seem sweet.
 
2021-04-11 8:56:52 PM  
I missed macross somehow.
 
2021-04-11 9:38:20 PM  

Boudyro: Sorry Macross nerds but I'm team Robotech, warts and all.

It wasn't Macross I watched every morning before school. It wasn't Macross books I devoured and still own every single one of. Yes. Even the shiatty Sentinels books, amazon women, mushroom-horned bears and all.

I get the origination and the hashed togetherness of Robotech so keep your originalist crap to yourselves. I. Do. Not. Care. About Macross beyond what it spawned in Robotech.

Because for as hashed together as the video for Robotech is at least it tells a coherent, linear story I have a lot of connection with.

To be clear I don't hate Macross. I just don't care about it, and don't have the an emotional connection to it. I DO hate certain Macross fans like I hate certain Star Wars fans. Like what you like but don't get all sweaty and agitated at me for my liking what I like.


All that bring said lets finally get us some live action mecha action and blow the planet up one more time.


I was an even more oddball Robotech fan because I had these kits:

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Plus the two issues of this that were published:

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2021-04-11 10:08:01 PM  

Last Man on Earth: AAAAGGGGHHHH: I'm old enough to remember when Macross was originally intended to be a parody of "giant robot" shows of the time as well as Space Cruiser Yamato. Some of the goofier elements (gigantic transforming spaceship with aircraft carriers for arms, an alien race of all guys acting like horny pubescent idiots at the sight of a female idol singer) made it through the conversion.

Huh, I kind of thought the whole idol singer thing was just Japan being Japan with their weird pop idol obsession.  Still, this is cool news.  Wonder if it means we could get a more faithful translation for the series at some point.


AD Vision did a new translation and dub of Macross, even bringing Minmei's original Japanese voice actress to dub the character in English.  I'd love to have snagged this version before ADV imploded all those years ago.  They're crazy pricey online, but I'm guessing we'll be seeing the original series with subs at the very least.
 
2021-04-11 10:50:27 PM  

Mad_Radhu: Boudyro: Sorry Macross nerds but I'm team Robotech, warts and all.

It wasn't Macross I watched every morning before school. It wasn't Macross books I devoured and still own every single one of. Yes. Even the shiatty Sentinels books, amazon women, mushroom-horned bears and all.

I get the origination and the hashed togetherness of Robotech so keep your originalist crap to yourselves. I. Do. Not. Care. About Macross beyond what it spawned in Robotech.

Because for as hashed together as the video for Robotech is at least it tells a coherent, linear story I have a lot of connection with.

To be clear I don't hate Macross. I just don't care about it, and don't have the an emotional connection to it. I DO hate certain Macross fans like I hate certain Star Wars fans. Like what you like but don't get all sweaty and agitated at me for my liking what I like.


All that bring said lets finally get us some live action mecha action and blow the planet up one more time.

I was an even more oddball Robotech fan because I had these kits:

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Plus the two issues of this that were published:

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Yeah, the Revell sets added to the copyright mess. Although the transformable Valkyrie models were pretty awesome.
 
2021-04-11 11:02:41 PM  

baka-san: RoyFokker'sGhost: baka-san: RoyFokker'sGhost: baka-san: talkertopc: I remember watching all of Robotech with friends in one sitting on VHS (we were binge watching before it was cool), according to Wikipedia what I must have watched is the following:

"In 1987, the company then heavily edited the 36-episode Macross Saga portion into six feature-length tapes, cutting out episode introductions and slower scenes, and ignoring the Southern Cross and New Generation series entirely."

The company is Family Home Entertainment, I wish they had edited out the part with the singing girl.

Without Minmay, we would have no one to gauge our hatred of ANY OTHER ANIME CHARCTER ON!

I mean hell, she makes Naga the Serpent seem charming.

Minmay is far less annoying in Macross than she is in Robotech. She's an idoru, but she's not an oblivious airhead.

Im biasing it on the Macross version.

Fair enough. I was exposed to C-Ko before Macross Minmay, so I suppose my tolerances are different.

Ok, fair point, they both make Hikaru seem sweet.


I think a large part of the problem is just her character archetype.  Not even the idol thing in particular; she's a stock civilian character in a "war is hell" story.  Her innocence is meant as a counterpoint to an increasingly-hardened soldier protagonist, and she doesn't understand, identify with, or particularly respect what he's going through.  They messed up a little and skewed a bit too far to the "shallow and stupid" side of things, and getting her English VA to do such a childlike voice really didn't help (neither did her singing), but the general archetype was probably meant to be at least a little grating to begin with as a narrative choice.
 
2021-04-12 1:07:35 AM  

Last Man on Earth: baka-san: RoyFokker'sGhost: baka-san: RoyFokker'sGhost: baka-san: talkertopc: I remember watching all of Robotech with friends in one sitting on VHS (we were binge watching before it was cool), according to Wikipedia what I must have watched is the following:

"In 1987, the company then heavily edited the 36-episode Macross Saga portion into six feature-length tapes, cutting out episode introductions and slower scenes, and ignoring the Southern Cross and New Generation series entirely."

The company is Family Home Entertainment, I wish they had edited out the part with the singing girl.

Without Minmay, we would have no one to gauge our hatred of ANY OTHER ANIME CHARCTER ON!

I mean hell, she makes Naga the Serpent seem charming.

Minmay is far less annoying in Macross than she is in Robotech. She's an idoru, but she's not an oblivious airhead.

Im biasing it on the Macross version.

Fair enough. I was exposed to C-Ko before Macross Minmay, so I suppose my tolerances are different.

Ok, fair point, they both make Hikaru seem sweet.

I think a large part of the problem is just her character archetype.  Not even the idol thing in particular; she's a stock civilian character in a "war is hell" story.  Her innocence is meant as a counterpoint to an increasingly-hardened soldier protagonist, and she doesn't understand, identify with, or particularly respect what he's going through.  They messed up a little and skewed a bit too far to the "shallow and stupid" side of things, and getting her English VA to do such a childlike voice really didn't help (neither did her singing), but the general archetype was probably meant to be at least a little grating to begin with as a narrative choice.


In the Robotech novelizations you get a deeper sense of the separation of their two worlds, and they add an ugly fame-hungry dark side to Minmei for some of the motivations behind the choices she made. Especially when putting up with Lynn Kyle.

The books lead each chapter with snippets from the main characters diaries or journals or in universe post-series events tell all books, which deepens the characters in ways the show couldn't. One of them Minmei plainly says she feels like Rick expects her to live in his shadow, but she's got her own shadows to cast. She's also really manipulative and coldly calculating sometimes in keeping him on the hook.

The books didn't dip into her perspective much, but she's absolutely NOT stupid. Really vain, egotistical, and sometimes shallow, but usually not stupid when she's younger. She knew what she was about and usually what she wanted. She really goes off the rails in the Sentinels books thanks to even worse relationship choices than Lynn-Kyle. But it all serves to finally break her down into more of a person by the end.

Rick and Minmei were never going to work out. They loved each other but it came from history and shared hardship. They both also have enormous egos that were never going to let them be a team. Rick and Lisa is that relationship that grows from the realization of shared purpose and mutual admiration.

Rick loved Minmei but he didn't like or really respect her as a human being, nor did she respect or even really understand him beyond being able to jerk his chain. Rick respected Lisa as a person first.


SPOILERS IF YOU HAVEN'T READ THE BOOKS.

In the book series finale she is also the most specialist girl in the universe because they throw in a epilogue twist where she's shacked up with a Zor clone in another universe. That somehow results in her actually being the original Zor's mother though they don't tell you exactly how. She's basically holding her belly and singing to him at the end.

What can I say . . . shiat got weird in the Sentinels, and even weirder after the Regis did her thing.

END SPOILERS.
 
2021-04-12 1:10:56 AM  

Mad_Radhu: Boudyro: Sorry Macross nerds but I'm team Robotech, warts and all.

It wasn't Macross I watched every morning before school. It wasn't Macross books I devoured and still own every single one of. Yes. Even the shiatty Sentinels books, amazon women, mushroom-horned bears and all.

I get the origination and the hashed togetherness of Robotech so keep your originalist crap to yourselves. I. Do. Not. Care. About Macross beyond what it spawned in Robotech.

Because for as hashed together as the video for Robotech is at least it tells a coherent, linear story I have a lot of connection with.

To be clear I don't hate Macross. I just don't care about it, and don't have the an emotional connection to it. I DO hate certain Macross fans like I hate certain Star Wars fans. Like what you like but don't get all sweaty and agitated at me for my liking what I like.


All that bring said lets finally get us some live action mecha action and blow the planet up one more time.

I was an even more oddball Robotech fan because I had these kits:

[Fark user image image 421x750]

Plus the two issues of this that were published:

[Fark user image image 329x503]


I had a model or two but I wasn't great with the patience to do them. Never got into the comics.

My books as a youngun were Spidey and Larry Hama's G.I. Joes.
 
2021-04-12 1:17:03 AM  

Boudyro: Mad_Radhu: Boudyro: Sorry Macross nerds but I'm team Robotech, warts and all.

It wasn't Macross I watched every morning before school. It wasn't Macross books I devoured and still own every single one of. Yes. Even the shiatty Sentinels books, amazon women, mushroom-horned bears and all.

I get the origination and the hashed togetherness of Robotech so keep your originalist crap to yourselves. I. Do. Not. Care. About Macross beyond what it spawned in Robotech.

Because for as hashed together as the video for Robotech is at least it tells a coherent, linear story I have a lot of connection with.

To be clear I don't hate Macross. I just don't care about it, and don't have the an emotional connection to it. I DO hate certain Macross fans like I hate certain Star Wars fans. Like what you like but don't get all sweaty and agitated at me for my liking what I like.


All that bring said lets finally get us some live action mecha action and blow the planet up one more time.

I was an even more oddball Robotech fan because I had these kits:

[Fark user image image 421x750]

Plus the two issues of this that were published:

[Fark user image image 329x503]

I had a model or two but I wasn't great with the patience to do them. Never got into the comics.

My books as a youngun were Spidey and Larry Hama's G.I. Joes.


No one really got into the comics. DC planned it as a 3-issue series, but apparently I was the only kid who bought the first issue so they cancelled it and cut the two remaining issues down to one long issue to finish up the story.
 
2021-04-12 1:24:59 AM  

Boudyro: What can I say . . . shiat got weird in the Sentinels, and even weirder after the Regis did her thing.


I mean...you can't get much weirder than Edwards merging with the Regent and creating giant mecha in the forms of naked Lisa and Minmay...

/this, I can blame on Macek...
 
2021-04-12 1:27:37 AM  

Mad_Radhu: Boudyro: Mad_Radhu: Boudyro: Sorry Macross nerds but I'm team Robotech, warts and all.

It wasn't Macross I watched every morning before school. It wasn't Macross books I devoured and still own every single one of. Yes. Even the shiatty Sentinels books, amazon women, mushroom-horned bears and all.

I get the origination and the hashed togetherness of Robotech so keep your originalist crap to yourselves. I. Do. Not. Care. About Macross beyond what it spawned in Robotech.

Because for as hashed together as the video for Robotech is at least it tells a coherent, linear story I have a lot of connection with.

To be clear I don't hate Macross. I just don't care about it, and don't have the an emotional connection to it. I DO hate certain Macross fans like I hate certain Star Wars fans. Like what you like but don't get all sweaty and agitated at me for my liking what I like.


All that bring said lets finally get us some live action mecha action and blow the planet up one more time.

I was an even more oddball Robotech fan because I had these kits:

[Fark user image image 421x750]

Plus the two issues of this that were published:

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I had a model or two but I wasn't great with the patience to do them. Never got into the comics.

My books as a youngun were Spidey and Larry Hama's G.I. Joes.

No one really got into the comics. DC planned it as a 3-issue series, but apparently I was the only kid who bought the first issue so they cancelled it and cut the two remaining issues down to one long issue to finish up the story.


I also have this lil gem:

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Which is actually the film version of the start of the Sentinel's books. I think the idea was originally to lead into a series. But there was no way they were gonna finish it as it was written in the books. Shiat with Edwards got really dark, and weird, even for anime.
 
2021-04-12 1:42:46 AM  

RoyFokker'sGhost: Boudyro: What can I say . . . shiat got weird in the Sentinels, and even weirder after the Regis did her thing.

I mean...you can't get much weirder than Edwards merging with the Regent and creating giant mecha in the forms of naked Lisa and Minmay...

/this, I can blame on Macek...


Exactly what I was thinking of.
 
2021-04-12 1:46:27 AM  

Boudyro: RoyFokker'sGhost: Boudyro: What can I say . . . shiat got weird in the Sentinels, and even weirder after the Regis did her thing.

I mean...you can't get much weirder than Edwards merging with the Regent and creating giant mecha in the forms of naked Lisa and Minmay...

/this, I can blame on Macek...

Exactly what I was thinking of.


Err what I was thinking of in terms of the Sentinels.

I really liked most of the End of the Circle. As much as the magical space toddlers was super weird, the answer to the mystery of what happened to the SDF-1's fold drives was a great reveal.
 
2021-04-12 1:59:03 AM  

AAAAGGGGHHHH: After all these years, no one has gotten the biggest in-broad-daylight in-joke of the series.

This guy:
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His original name in Macross is Quamzin Kravshera, but in Robotech, they named him "Khyron the Destroyer", after the Chyron, a post-editing device used to edit legit anime and turn it into goofy-ass cartoons.

Bonus Trivia Note: The control panel used to operate the Death Star's planet-killer weapon is also a Chyron.

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Former broadcast engineer here.   Chryon is a company name that had such a stranglehold on the character generation market from the  70s - 90s that their name was used much like 'kleenex' or 'coke' are when referring to tissue or soda.    Chryon made analog character generators to make text titles and credits on screen, not editing platforms.  The credits on Robotech indeed look like 80s Chyron output.

The control panel in Star Wars is actually a Grass Valley video switcher.   They were just as associated with studio switchers as Chyron was with character generators.   As a technical director for TV shows I used similar switchers in the control room, and I also used a Chyron character generator.  A long long time ago in a TV studio far far away...
 
2021-04-12 2:26:57 AM  
This brings back a lot of buried memories.   In early US fandom, we all liked to make fun of Robotech, Harmony Gold and Carl Macek, but a significant percentage of us could credit those things with initially introducing us to Anime on broadcast US television in the 1980s, and later finding 'the good stuff' fan subbed at Anime clubs on 4th generation tapes, and later Anime conventions before it all went commercially mainstream.

In the early 1990s I helped run the first large Anime conventions in the united states (AnimeCon 91, Anime Expo 92, Anime America etc.) and we had some interesting guests at the time.   One of them was Carl Macek.  My friend and I called him 'uncle Carl'.   He was very loathed for his dubbing and hack jobs on Robotech and Captain Harlock, but by then enough time had gone by that people had started to grudgingly give him the respect he was due for actually getting the stuff onto American television.  He was also by then involved with Jerry Beck and Streamline Pictures, which brought some great Anime to small theatrical release in the US.  (a number of Miyazaki films plus Robot Carnival)

A lot of his shenanigans were driven by the fact that US television seasons required a minimum of 65 episodes, leading him to stretch and combine material to make it work.    This was the case for both Robotech and Captain Harlock.   Captain Harlock combined the main series with Matsumoto's only lightly related series, 'Queen Millenia'.

I once asked Carl how he managed to put the Harlock series together, and he said he'd watch a bit of Captain Harlock: Space Pirate, and when he got bored of that he'd splice in some Queen Millenia, and bounce back and forth.  Wash, rinse, repeat.  That was it.  No big grand design.  The two had completely different story lines, and dialogue was written into Queen Millenia to tie Harlock into it. It wasn't too hard in the end.

Carl died pretty young in 2010.   RIP uncle Carl.

One of my best memories was having lunch with Rebecca Forstadt (Reba West) and her son.   Rebecca was the voice of Lin Minmei in the Robotech TV series.   She mentioned that Reba West was a screen name she used for work on non-union jobs.

Anyway, that's all for the trip down amnesia lane.   I'm completely out of Anime these days except for a deep appreciation of anything made by Hayao Miyazaki and Isao Takahata.
 
2021-04-12 6:15:41 AM  
Boudyro:

I also have this lil gem:

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Which is actually the film version of the start of the Sentinel's books. I think the idea was originally to lead into a series. But there was no way they were gonna finish it as it was written in the books. Shiat with Edwards got really dark, and weird, even for anime.


Mine is the original Palladium Books release VHS.
 
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