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2021-04-10 7:19:18 PM  
What's a redmi?
 
2021-04-10 7:29:37 PM  
The way things are going, it's going to be one hell of an antitrust issue when Apple dominates the smartphone market, the laptop market, the OS market, the processor market, etc. I've totally always wanted to see a single company control everything!
 
2021-04-10 7:54:02 PM  
I didn't know that LG was exiting the market. I missed the thread earlier this week.

One of the things I liked about my previous LG phone was that it had an infrared blaster. That means you can use an app (it comes with one, but there are others you can get) to control most any device that uses IR remote controls.

/That and the removable battery.
 
2021-04-10 8:02:06 PM  

hervatski: What's a redmi?


Something all those darn furriners have.
 
2021-04-10 8:04:28 PM  

COMALite J: I didn't know that LG was exiting the market. I missed the thread earlier this week.

One of the things I liked about my previous LG phone was that it had an infrared blaster. That means you can use an app (it comes with one, but there are others you can get) to control most any device that uses IR remote controls.


I still use my HTC M8 that is about six years old now, and that has IR and universal remote control ability. I'm thinking of upgrading but it still works great, has battery life of two days and does everything I want.

I miss HTC. My first smartphone was a Desire, which at the time I bought it was better than the then latest iPhone in every single feature and spec. The 3GS didn't even have a flash on the camera.

Vaguely thinking of getting a Surface Duo, but the lack of NFC is an issue. I use contactless a lot. Another feature I had on a HTC phone before the iPhone got NFC.
 
2021-04-10 8:18:17 PM  

Carter Pewterschmidt: COMALite J: I didn't know that LG was exiting the market. I missed the thread earlier this week.

One of the things I liked about my previous LG phone was that it had an infrared blaster. That means you can use an app (it comes with one, but there are others you can get) to control most any device that uses IR remote controls.

I still use my HTC M8 that is about six years old now, and that has IR and universal remote control ability. I'm thinking of upgrading but it still works great, has battery life of two days and does everything I want.

I miss HTC. My first smartphone was a Desire, which at the time I bought it was better than the then latest iPhone in every single feature and spec. The 3GS didn't even have a flash on the camera.

Vaguely thinking of getting a Surface Duo, but the lack of NFC is an issue. I use contactless a lot. Another feature I had on a HTC phone before the iPhone got NFC.

I never did get to get an HTC, but they seemed pretty good. Especially that M1 or whatever it was called that was the first smartphone to have stereo speakers.

The newer Samsungs do that even without the appearance of stereo, by using the earpiece part as a speaker in addition to a speaker inside the other end of the phone.
 
2021-04-10 8:34:34 PM  
Is this the thread where we say,

"Back in my day we wore our smartphones on our belts, which was the style at the time."
 
2021-04-10 8:42:59 PM  
I'm in the market for a new Android phone. I guess this means I should just buy an iPhone now, right?
 
2021-04-10 8:45:49 PM  

Unscratchable_Itch: I'm in the market for a new Android phone. I guess this means I should just buy an iPhone now, right?


It wouldn't be a bad choice
 
2021-04-10 8:45:59 PM  
Unlucky Goldstar.
 
2021-04-10 9:21:31 PM  
I've got a S10.   I could use NextRadio app (free) for listening to local broadcast radio..not a stream.   This meant I was not burning through data to listen to radio.   Well, Samsung rolled out Android 11 and guess what?   "Radio receiver in this device is not available".   So Samsung unilaterally decided that I don't need to use the radio receiver that's included in the phone I PAID FOR.  Now if I want to listen to radio, I have to stream it and burn up data.   Well, I'm not happy with this, and neither are a lot of other people who were using NextRadio.  A number of people complained to Samsung.   Samsung's reaction was  ¯\_(ツ)_/¯

Here's my next phone acquisition.  Eat a bag of dicks, Samsung.

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2021-04-10 9:34:12 PM  

Unscratchable_Itch: I'm in the market for a new Android phone. I guess this means I should just buy an iPhone now, right?


I am looking at going back to my first brand- Nokia. I really am not a fan of ios or apple period.
Even with its faults, I still prefer droid devices.
 
2021-04-10 10:19:43 PM  
Maybe sales are down because people realize they don't need a new phone every year? And if they don't need a new phone they don't need to spend $800 just to take Selfie's and watch Tik-Toks?

/I've never spent more than $250 on a smartphone.
 
2021-04-10 10:35:59 PM  
My current and last phone is the Galaxy S7 and Galaxy S5 respectively. I've been thinking about buying a new phone, figured I'd get whatever came after whatever came after the S7. I believe in every other generation when it comes to these things.

I don't even know which Samsung is the one after the one after the S7. Now I'm doubting even buying it.

I'm not a "team" guy when it comes to consumer products. I don't like Apple for my phone even though I use old iphones as my audio device for music and podcasts.

So what do?
 
2021-04-10 10:43:43 PM  

Fissile: I've got a S10.   I could use NextRadio app (free) for listening to local broadcast radio..not a stream.   This meant I was not burning through data to listen to radio.   Well, Samsung rolled out Android 11 and guess what?   "Radio receiver in this device is not available".   So Samsung unilaterally decided that I don't need to use the radio receiver that's included in the phone I PAID FOR.  Now if I want to listen to radio, I have to stream it and burn up data.   Well, I'm not happy with this, and neither are a lot of other people who were using NextRadio.  A number of people complained to Samsung.   Samsung's reaction was  ¯\_(ツ)_/¯

Here's my next phone acquisition.  Eat a bag of dicks, Samsung.

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Apple did the same thing years ago up to the iPhone 6+ They had the hardware in then to recover fm but purposely disabled them. New phones don't have them anymore so it's moot but I'd argue that they've all done it as an anticompetitive measure to force more data streaming.
 
2021-04-10 10:44:12 PM  

Fissile: I've got a S10.   I could use NextRadio app (free) for listening to local broadcast radio..not a stream.   This meant I was not burning through data to listen to radio.   Well, Samsung rolled out Android 11 and guess what?   "Radio receiver in this device is not available".   So Samsung unilaterally decided that I don't need to use the radio receiver that's included in the phone I PAID FOR.  Now if I want to listen to radio, I have to stream it and burn up data.   Well, I'm not happy with this, and neither are a lot of other people who were using NextRadio.  A number of people complained to Samsung.   Samsung's reaction was  ¯\_(ツ)_/¯

Here's my next phone acquisition.  Eat a bag of dicks, Samsung.

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iPhones don't have radio receivers either.
 
2021-04-10 10:46:25 PM  

DrunkenIrishOD: Fissile: I've got a S10.   I could use NextRadio app (free) for listening to local broadcast radio..not a stream.   This meant I was not burning through data to listen to radio.   Well, Samsung rolled out Android 11 and guess what?   "Radio receiver in this device is not available".   So Samsung unilaterally decided that I don't need to use the radio receiver that's included in the phone I PAID FOR.  Now if I want to listen to radio, I have to stream it and burn up data.   Well, I'm not happy with this, and neither are a lot of other people who were using NextRadio.  A number of people complained to Samsung.   Samsung's reaction was  ¯\_(ツ)_/¯

Here's my next phone acquisition.  Eat a bag of dicks, Samsung.

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Apple did the same thing years ago up to the iPhone 6+ They had the hardware in then to recover fm but purposely disabled them. New phones don't have them anymore so it's moot but I'd argue that they've all done it as an anticompetitive measure to force more data streaming.


Receive fm, thanks iPhone autocorrect
 
2021-04-10 10:50:31 PM  
If they installed vanilla android I'd buy one of their phones. I've dealt with the samsung shiat my parents have when helping them out. Dear lord the bloat and custom shiat is unbelievable.
 
2021-04-10 10:53:06 PM  

trialpha: Fissile: I've got a S10.   I could use NextRadio app (free) for listening to local broadcast radio..not a stream.   This meant I was not burning through data to listen to radio.   Well, Samsung rolled out Android 11 and guess what?   "Radio receiver in this device is not available".   So Samsung unilaterally decided that I don't need to use the radio receiver that's included in the phone I PAID FOR.  Now if I want to listen to radio, I have to stream it and burn up data.   Well, I'm not happy with this, and neither are a lot of other people who were using NextRadio.  A number of people complained to Samsung.   Samsung's reaction was  ¯\_(ツ)_/¯

Here's my next phone acquisition.  Eat a bag of dicks, Samsung.

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iPhones don't have radio receivers either.


Yes, I understand that.   My S10 does have a FM receiver and it worked fine until the Android 11 rollout.  Now I have to try and roll it back and hope it doesn't brick.   I bought the Samsung because it wasn't an iProduct and had different features.  If Samsung is going be a clone of Apple, why should I buy another Samsung?
 
2021-04-10 10:59:39 PM  

Fissile: Yes, I understand that. My S10 does have a FM receiver and it worked fine until the Android 11 rollout. Now I have to try and roll it back and hope it doesn't brick. I bought the Samsung because it wasn't an iProduct and had different features. If Samsung is going be a clone of Apple, why should I buy another Samsung?


You don't. You buy another Android phone from somebody else. That's the beauty of having different manufacturers all making phones with the same OS.

With Apple, you're stuck with them. Like the OS, but not the hardware? Tough. Like the hardware, but not the OS? Tough. Want something outside of the Apple store? Tough. No choice for you!
 
2021-04-10 11:11:30 PM  

Unscratchable_Itch: I'm in the market for a new Android phone. I guess this means I should just buy an iPhone now, right?


Enjoy forking out $600+ every year, slave.
 
2021-04-10 11:21:48 PM  

AAAAGGGGHHHH: Unscratchable_Itch: I'm in the market for a new Android phone. I guess this means I should just buy an iPhone now, right?

Enjoy forking out $600+ every year, slave.


Well yeah, if you're buying a new phone every year you'll be paying that regardless of the manufacturer. A five year-old iPhone 6s will run the current iOS 14.5 beta without a hitch, so it's not like you're required to upgrade your device that often for the newest OS features.
 
2021-04-10 11:45:37 PM  

Fissile: trialpha: Fissile: I've got a S10.   I could use NextRadio app (free) for listening to local broadcast radio..not a stream.   This meant I was not burning through data to listen to radio.   Well, Samsung rolled out Android 11 and guess what?   "Radio receiver in this device is not available".   So Samsung unilaterally decided that I don't need to use the radio receiver that's included in the phone I PAID FOR.  Now if I want to listen to radio, I have to stream it and burn up data.   Well, I'm not happy with this, and neither are a lot of other people who were using NextRadio.  A number of people complained to Samsung.   Samsung's reaction was  ¯\_(ツ)_/¯

Here's my next phone acquisition.  Eat a bag of dicks, Samsung.

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iPhones don't have radio receivers either.

Yes, I understand that. My S10 does have a FM receiver and it worked fine until the Android 11 rollout. Now I have to try and roll it back and hope it doesn't brick. I bought the Samsung because it wasn't an iProduct and had different features. If Samsung is going be a clone of Apple, why should I buy another Samsung?

It may not be the Android 11. It may be the Next Radio app itself. I just looked it up on Google Play and there are a lot of recent one-★ reviews saying that the latest app update basically bricked the app. The app maker's website's domain name no longer resolves, which isn't a good sign.
 
2021-04-10 11:48:30 PM  

Russ1642: If they installed vanilla android I'd buy one of their phones. I've dealt with the samsung shiat my parents have when helping them out. Dear lord the bloat and custom shiat is unbelievable.


I had a Pixel 2 that shiat the bed at a time when only the 4 XL was available. Based on reviews and a friend who upgraded from a 3, I figured I'd wait. Sadly, there was an issue right after I'd finished the contract, I didn't want the 4, so I wound up with a Note 10+ (Verizon had an insane deal at the time).

While I love the real estate the screen offers, and, the pen has made it much easier to use for my business needs, there is so much useless crap on here it makes me bananas. I stripped as much bloat as I could, and I still have a "useless crap" folder that's got like, 12 apps in it.

I miss vanilla android, and will likely go back to Pixel for the next one. It's not that it's a bad phone, this thing outclasses a heap of phones on the market, but Samsung needs to rethink their UI.
 
2021-04-10 11:54:08 PM  
Bought this last year and have really enjoyed it. Have no intention of buying another Samsung phone.

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2021-04-11 1:36:39 AM  
What Phone, Contacts and Messages app comes with the latest "vanilla" Android?
Are they Android rather than Google?
 
2021-04-11 1:46:43 AM  
I want a phone in which I can change the battery myself. That's not an iPhone.
 
2021-04-11 2:17:00 AM  

AAAAGGGGHHHH: Unscratchable_Itch: I'm in the market for a new Android phone. I guess this means I should just buy an iPhone now, right?

Enjoy forking out $600+ every year, slave.


Why do you have too get a new phone every year?
 
2021-04-11 2:18:31 AM  

jjorsett: I want a phone in which I can change the battery myself. That's not an iPhone.


Or most manufacturers. That's hugely limiting these days
 
2021-04-11 2:46:03 AM  
Anyone more familiar with the chaebol system than me (int'l poli sci major but I focused on the Americas/New World) have any opinions on whether Seoul pressured them to drop out of the market?
 
2021-04-11 3:05:29 AM  

AAAAGGGGHHHH: Unscratchable_Itch: I'm in the market for a new Android phone. I guess this means I should just buy an iPhone now, right?

Enjoy forking out $600+ every year, slave.


You're a moron.
 
2021-04-11 6:25:10 AM  

IHadMeAVision: Anyone more familiar with the chaebol system than me (int'l poli sci major but I focused on the Americas/New World) have any opinions on whether Seoul pressured them to drop out of the market?


I doubt it. Samsung, the South Korean top phone brand, is being eaten alive at the top and mid tier by Apple, and any left over sales at the low end, mid and high end by Chinese competitors.  It's gotten so bad that lower and even some mid tier Samsung phones are designed and manufactured by Chinese ODM companies. Only the flagship phones are designed by Samsung.

LG had been struggling to compete with Samsung to find profitability for years, the introduction of competent and in many cases superior Chinese competitors killed off any market viability, so they are stopping the money sink. LG made the same mistake as HTC in that they focused on being the first to introduced new features, instead of focusing on introducing the best integration and refinement like Apple does.  It's a shame as I appreciated their innovation, especially the high fidelity DACs in their V line.
 
2021-04-11 6:37:08 AM  
I want a phone with a mechanical qwerty keyboard.
 
2021-04-11 7:09:02 AM  

Ishkur: I want a phone with a mechanical qwerty keyboard.


Clicky?
 
2021-04-11 7:13:18 AM  

Likwit: jjorsett: I want a phone in which I can change the battery myself. That's not an iPhone.

Or most manufacturers. That's hugely limiting these days


That's IP68 / NEMA 6P for ya.  You can have easily removable batteries, or you can have devices that are dust proof and waterproof.  "Consumers" appear to want things that are less susceptible to those kinds of accidents.
 
2021-04-11 7:45:01 AM  

jjorsett: I want a phone in which I can change the battery myself. That's not an iPhone.


If you buy a battery for an iPhone it comes with the tools necessary to change it. A tiny phillips, a tiny star driver, a couple of different wedges, suction cup, and new glue strips to secure the new battery.
 
2021-04-11 8:34:06 AM  

COMALite J: I didn't know that LG was exiting the market. I missed the thread earlier this week.

One of the things I liked about my previous LG phone was that it had an infrared blaster. That means you can use an app (it comes with one, but there are others you can get) to control most any device that uses IR remote controls.

/That and the removable battery.


I have this on my LG V20. very handy when traveling to have a spare battery when it not possible to have a place to charge. And if in a public place I can turn Waiting room TV captions on. I will probably keep this phone forever as I don't need the latest bells and whistles. Not sure what I'm going to do when this one bites the dust.
 
2021-04-11 9:34:30 AM  
Monopolies are not good for customers. Hope someone keeps Apple on its toes, lest they get lazy and double down on customer-unfriendly policies like gouging on storage capacity.
 
2021-04-11 10:08:00 AM  
And here i am as a life long android user looking for a new phone and finding out Android now sucks
 
2021-04-11 10:24:42 AM  

Bob Down: What Phone, Contacts and Messages app comes with the latest "vanilla" Android?
Are they Android rather than Google?


You can use whatever the fark you want. You can disable and/or uninstall the stock programs and set your replacement as the default. However, Samsung is dead set against this.
 
2021-04-11 12:00:55 PM  
Im running a Umidigi Bison.
Awesome phone...
 
2021-04-11 12:03:18 PM  

dbirchall: Ishkur: I want a phone with a mechanical qwerty keyboard.

Clicky?


Samsung blackjack..
My first "smartphone"
/Windows mobile OS... Hahahah
 
2021-04-11 2:58:32 PM  
Happy with the Palm
Not as much function, but SOOOO much less intrusive
 
2021-04-11 3:26:51 PM  

dbirchall: Likwit: jjorsett: I want a phone in which I can change the battery myself. That's not an iPhone.

Or most manufacturers. That's hugely limiting these days

That's IP68 / NEMA 6P for ya.  You can have easily removable batteries, or you can have devices that are dust proof and waterproof.  "Consumers" appear to want things that are less susceptible to those kinds of accidents.

That, and if you can't replace the battery, you have to buy a new phone. Guess which is more profitable for the phone makers?

This is made even worse because they don't use simple tactics that they could easily use to extend battery longevity. Example: when placed on a charger, it could pop up and ask you if you intend to leave it on the charger, or are charging it up for going out for awhile. If you select the former, it would only charge to, say, 66⅔%, then interrupt the charging circuitry and allow it to discharge to, say, 33⅓%, before kicking the charging back on, for as long as it's on the charger. Keeping the charge level well away from either extreme considerably extends lithium battery life (which is why you're supposed to charge to as close to 50% as you can if you intend to not use it for an extended period of time, such as for a spare replaceable battery, and why a properly manufactured and packaged replacement battery will come with a ~50% charge).

But doing that would make your phone last longer, and they emphatically do not want that. So instead you have to install a battery level alarm app or some such and manually disconnect it when it's reached, say, 80% (the default ― not far above that is where the battery really starts taking a full cycle hit on its longevity because of crystal formation) and emits the sound you set for that. If you neglect to do that, the phone will keep right on charging until it hits 100%, and then be held there, which is pretty bad for the battery.
 
2021-04-11 3:59:26 PM  

Heliodorus: It's gotten so bad that lower and even some mid tier Samsung phones are designed and manufactured by Chinese ODM companies. Only the flagship phones are designed by Samsung.


lol this is something I kind of suspected just from browsing the T-Mobile store.

Thanks for the reply.
 
2021-04-11 4:00:08 PM  

COMALite J: dbirchall: Likwit: jjorsett: I want a phone in which I can change the battery myself. That's not an iPhone.

Or most manufacturers. That's hugely limiting these days

That's IP68 / NEMA 6P for ya.  You can have easily removable batteries, or you can have devices that are dust proof and waterproof.  "Consumers" appear to want things that are less susceptible to those kinds of accidents.

That, and if you can't replace the battery, you have to buy a new phone. Guess which is more profitable for the phone makers?


Apple charges $69 for an out-of-warranty battery replacement, $49 for older models.
 
2021-04-11 4:27:06 PM  

Fast Talkin Fanny: COMALite J: dbirchall: Likwit: jjorsett: I want a phone in which I can change the battery myself. That's not an iPhone.

Or most manufacturers. That's hugely limiting these days

That's IP68 / NEMA 6P for ya.  You can have easily removable batteries, or you can have devices that are dust proof and waterproof.  "Consumers" appear to want things that are less susceptible to those kinds of accidents.

That, and if you can't replace the battery, you have to buy a new phone. Guess which is more profitable for the phone makers?

Apple charges $69 for an out-of-warranty battery replacement, $49 for older models.


and you can get a DIY kit for $20, but how dare you bring facts to a religious meeting. You would be better off engaging an anti-abortion protester.
 
2021-04-11 4:32:37 PM  

Unscratchable_Itch: I'm in the market for a new Android phone. I guess this means I should just buy an iPhone now, right?


I just ordered a pixel 5 so I can take advantage of my 5g vaccination.
 
2021-04-11 4:35:28 PM  

alienated: Unscratchable_Itch: I'm in the market for a new Android phone. I guess this means I should just buy an iPhone now, right?

I am looking at going back to my first brand- Nokia. I really am not a fan of ios or apple period.
Even with its faults, I still prefer droid devices.


my two cents...

I've been an android person since the ancient Verizon Droid phone with the slide out keyboard.  Still have it too.

My last phone, OnePlus 3T, was starting to just randomly shut down on me from time to time so I decided to get a refurb iPhone XR.   Generally nice, but damn I miss not having a fingerprint reader.

I am also not a fan of ios deciding where my folders and icons are going to be on the screen.  The lack of being able to customize an iphone is no joke. At this point I'm still dealing with getting the notifications set up the way I want because ios overrides some of those settings at the individual app level. I find using apple pay more work than using google pay.  If my phone is already unlocked do I really need to press the button twice and also enter my pin to pay for something?

Granted I could just be too much of a newb for some of these things, but the idea that iphones are more intuitively easy to use is entirely incorrect.  Chances are this phone could become a hand me down to someone else in the house if I ever find another android phone I like.
 
2021-04-11 4:58:49 PM  

rightClick: alienated: Unscratchable_Itch: I'm in the market for a new Android phone. I guess this means I should just buy an iPhone now, right?

I am looking at going back to my first brand- Nokia. I really am not a fan of ios or apple period.
Even with its faults, I still prefer droid devices.

my two cents...

I've been an android person since the ancient Verizon Droid phone with the slide out keyboard.  Still have it too.

My last phone, OnePlus 3T, was starting to just randomly shut down on me from time to time so I decided to get a refurb iPhone XR.   Generally nice, but damn I miss not having a fingerprint reader.

I am also not a fan of ios deciding where my folders and icons are going to be on the screen.  The lack of being able to customize an iphone is no joke. At this point I'm still dealing with getting the notifications set up the way I want because ios overrides some of those settings at the individual app level. I find using apple pay more work than using google pay.  If my phone is already unlocked do I really need to press the button twice and also enter my pin to pay for something?

Granted I could just be too much of a newb for some of these things, but the idea that iphones are more intuitively easy to use is entirely incorrect.  Chances are this phone could become a hand me down to someone else in the house if I ever find another android phone I like.


I had to switch to Android in November of 2019 because Microsoft let Windows Phone die. I feel the same way about Android as you do about iPhone. My current phone can't update past Android 9, but I've used someone else's phone that's on v11 and I don't see much improvement on the things that annoy me.
 
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