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(Boston Globe)   "The unfamiliar nature of online learning left Daniela Watkins feeling unmotivated." Because ordinarily college sophomores can't wait to roll out of bed at 8 a.m., eat a healthy breakfast, and hit the lecture hall for a another big day of education   (bostonglobe.com) divider line
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2021-04-10 6:21:39 PM  
Roll out of bed at 8am?
Hell, my first lectures were at 8am and I was already fired up on dining hall coffee and terrible powdered scrambled eggs by 7:30.
 
2021-04-10 6:26:43 PM  
What college students like me have learned during the COVID year

That most peoples' academic inclinations disappear when the pursuit becomes inconvenient?
 
2021-04-10 6:28:16 PM  
Hahahahahahahahahahahah

@breathe@

hahahahahaahahaahha.

@die@
 
2021-04-10 6:28:46 PM  
Back in ancient times, 2015, when I started classes I had to actually drive to the campus.
Classes started at 8 am.
I was up at the latest by 6:30 am so I could shower and get dressed.
 
2021-04-10 6:31:13 PM  

Herr Flick's Revenge: Back in ancient times, 2015, when I started classes I had to actually drive to the campus.
Classes started at 8 am.
I was up at the latest by 6:30 am so I could shower and get dressed.


Imagine what time those professors you left mediocre evaluations for woke up.
 
2021-04-10 6:37:48 PM  

Herr Flick's Revenge: Back in ancient times, 2015, when I started classes I had to actually drive to the campus.
Classes started at 8 am.
I was up at the latest by 6:30 am so I could shower and get dressed.


2015 is ancient times? Graduating class of '95.  Amazing that my degree wasn't written on a papyrus scroll.
Hahahaha
 
2021-04-10 6:38:45 PM  
My sister's ex flunked out (or was it dropped out?) because he couldn't be bothered to wake up to go to class- in the final semester of his senior year.
 
2021-04-10 6:42:27 PM  

Leader O'Cola: Herr Flick's Revenge: Back in ancient times, 2015, when I started classes I had to actually drive to the campus.
Classes started at 8 am.
I was up at the latest by 6:30 am so I could shower and get dressed.

Imagine what time those professors you left mediocre evaluations for woke up.


I had great teachers, never gave any of them mediocre evaluations.
I imagine they were up at 5 am or so or possibly they slept under their desks.
It really wasn't any of my business.
 
2021-04-10 6:45:11 PM  
My first college class was an algebra class at 7 in the morning. I was always sleepy for it cause we usually studied way into the wee hours, once i dozed off and when i woke up the professor, students, and subject matter had all changed...
I learned to schedule classes starting at 9 or  10 am, and it made all the difference.
 
2021-04-10 6:46:25 PM  

MDI_BugMan: Herr Flick's Revenge: Back in ancient times, 2015, when I started classes I had to actually drive to the campus.
Classes started at 8 am.
I was up at the latest by 6:30 am so I could shower and get dressed.

2015 is ancient times? Graduating class of '95.  Amazing that my degree wasn't written on a papyrus scroll.
Hahahaha


Almost all of our classes met on either MWF or TTS.  There's nothing quite like a 70-minute lecture on Organic Chemistry at 8:30 on a Saturday morning.  Especially in WI when 18 was the legal age in beer bars.

That was a tough class to get motivated for.
 
2021-04-10 6:47:12 PM  
I had a Comparative Religion professor who I loved getting out of bed to listen to at 8am, mainly because he had a beautiful voice, just captivating, and also because he had all sorts of interesting things to say about Christianity (that's what the class was on) and its various permutations and histories.
 
2021-04-10 6:47:42 PM  

MDI_BugMan: Herr Flick's Revenge: Back in ancient times, 2015, when I started classes I had to actually drive to the campus.
Classes started at 8 am.
I was up at the latest by 6:30 am so I could shower and get dressed.

2015 is ancient times? Graduating class of '95.  Amazing that my degree wasn't written on a papyrus scroll.
Hahahaha


I attended college in the 80s.  We could have really used some papyrus.
 
2021-04-10 6:47:47 PM  
Knew a lot of people who put all their classes on Tuesday and Thursday during Winter term so they could ski five days out of seven.
 
2021-04-10 6:47:48 PM  
I was a bit of a lazy ass. I scheduled all of my classes for afternoon or evening and spent most of my time playing games and sleeping. Yet I still managed to earn a degree.

What's holding these kids back other than themselves?
 
2021-04-10 6:51:22 PM  
I once had a massive hangover puke in the middle of a 7am calculus midterm. Worst walk of shame ever - puke filled moccasins squishing down the isle of a dead silent lecture hall.

/dropped the class
 
2021-04-10 6:51:56 PM  

Billy Liar: Knew a lot of people who put all their classes on Tuesday and Thursday during Winter term so they could ski five days out of seven.


That was tough when your college had some required classes that met MTWTF.
 
2021-04-10 6:52:16 PM  
Staying on campus? Sure, an 8am class isn't too bad. One year I had all my classes in the morning and by lunchtime I was done for the day. It was party time in the dorms watching Power Rangers and The Simpsons all afternoon.
 
2021-04-10 6:53:19 PM  
I was still up at 8am most days at college.
 
2021-04-10 6:53:25 PM  
I took Chem 127, which was the weed out course for all the pre-meds.  One of those deals where the professor wrote the book for the class.  Exam results were (by design) ONLY 8am Friday morning, followed by lab at 9am.  Prof liked to schedule early classes to mess with everybody, there were no other options.  I'd show up at 8:45am to collect my exam.  The first time, the prof (and it was her, not a TA that handed grades back) said something along the lines of, "If you put more effort into your studies you would do better on the exams."  Then she got my exam - 165 points out of 150 - all 150 points plus the 15 points of extra credit.  Perfect score.  The look on her face was priceless.
 
2021-04-10 6:57:09 PM  
I only went to a non-commuter school for one year and it was hard not to notice all the girls in pajama pants and messy hair at morning classes. I guess if you don't have to drive or ride the bus it's easier to half-ass the morning routine.
 
2021-04-10 6:59:11 PM  
I took an 8:00 am college computer class freshman year.  Somehow I got an A, and it ended up being my major 2 years later. But, after the literal head bobs I experienced in that section, I never took a class before 9 AM again. Last couple years things started at 10, and wrapped up in time so I could work a 3-11pm shift as a bellman/porter.  Good times, that.

/nowadays I'm usually at work by 8:15. Yay, me
//first class was FORTRAN
///yeah, oldest of the IT old school
 
2021-04-10 7:03:09 PM  
College professor here.  I got to teach remotely this semester (via live Zoom classes). The in-person classes this semester were required to also be offered as a remote class with the professor teaching to the students in the classroom and those online simultaneously. Except, the students generally don't show up.  I ran into a colleague that teaches in person and he told me that he has a student that shows up sometimes for one of his classes. He asked the student to let him know half hour before class if they wouldn't be attending so that he could go home and teach from there.

/CSB
//Not really but its what I can pull out during Covid times
 
2021-04-10 7:07:58 PM  

Leader O'Cola: Herr Flick's Revenge: Back in ancient times, 2015, when I started classes I had to actually drive to the campus.
Classes started at 8 am.
I was up at the latest by 6:30 am so I could shower and get dressed.

Imagine what time those professors you left mediocre evaluations for woke up.


shiatty lectures at 3pm are shiatty lectures. Don't care when.

I've never left a poor review for a class or lecturer because of class timing.

The one who openly hit on students?
The one who demanded direct quotes from Darwin and refused to allow the book?
The one whose grades were so inconsistent where pointing out his mistake in gradinggot me a lower score?
The one who didn't teach, just put on a video of himself teaching?

Those, yes.
 
2021-04-10 7:12:27 PM  
Back in my college days I made sure to have no classes before noon, 11am at the very earliest. Also tried to have all MWF classes if possible. When I could pull it off, only having to go into class three days a week made up for those being very full days. I didn't mind evening classes I tended to be more productive for those.
 
2021-04-10 7:14:23 PM  
Got news for her... teaching online sucks too.  Students don't follow directions, wait until last minute, come up with all sorts of BS excuses.  It goes from guiding and instructing 25 people to tutoring 15 people 'cause the other 10 drop out or are never heard from.
 
2021-04-10 7:23:55 PM  
8AM: leave detention. smoke a bone and eat a cookie on way to PE.
 
2021-04-10 7:25:51 PM  
Long before my sophomore year, I'd learned never to have classes that began before 11.
 
2021-04-10 7:26:22 PM  

i.r.id10t: Got news for her... teaching online sucks too.  Students don't follow directions, wait until last minute, come up with all sorts of BS excuses.  It goes from guiding and instructing 25 people to tutoring 15 people 'cause the other 10 drop out or are never heard from.


Yep, don't bother showing up to class, and then request a meeting the day the assignment is due.
 
2021-04-10 7:28:18 PM  
I knew a guy who took a legendarily tough 8 AM class with a legendarily tough professor. He wound up as the US ambassador to a small African country. People who put in the work often get what they want.
 
2021-04-10 7:31:00 PM  

sinko swimo: 8AM: leave detention. smoke a bone and eat a cookie on way to PE.


word.
 
2021-04-10 7:32:21 PM  
I've been doing remote asynchronous for my graduate degree since the pandemic started (it's the only option for me because of my work schedule).
It's been a push this semester (3rd semester in the program), but at least with asynchronous I can walk away and come back to it. My profs love it because they can recycle old recorded lectures and preset assignments, except for one who has told us in no uncertain terms he loathes online learning (he thinks the in-class dynamic is necessary for true learning, but it's a data course, which is all staring at screens anyway).
It's definitely not for everyone, if you're not self-motivated in general this sort of unstructured learning is murder. Almost 20% of folks in my program opted to defer a semester or just dropped out due to pandemic-related burnout.
It's going to be interesting when the research studies start coming out in a few years and we can really see what the long-term effects on massive online learning are in society.
 
2021-04-10 7:33:41 PM  
I changed my entire major because I couldn't function at 8am in college. Had great plans to go into chemistry. Ended up with a philosophy degree.

One of my profs said the greatest question in philosophy is "How should people live their lives?" I soon realized I should live my life waking up at a decent hour, and spent much of my post college career as a bartender.
 
2021-04-10 7:38:39 PM  
I hate these article because there is no context.

You know a lot of people didn't like GOING to class too.
 
2021-04-10 7:40:41 PM  
In one of my classes the instructor said he would take no attendance. Attendance dropped to about 25%.


So this idea students all want so much to go to classes doesn't hold much water to me.
 
2021-04-10 7:41:39 PM  
When I retired from the Navy, I finally went to college full-time. I worked evenings with UPS (M-F 1900-2300) but I always tried to fill my morning schedule. If I had empty hours, I either studied or I worked on Campus in the Writing/Tutoring Center (which also counted as classes). I often had classes starting at 0700 or 0800. The best part of early classes: I didn't have to hunt for a parking space. I would often be done with my regular classes before Lunch. In fact, I met more than one fellow student who was so used to seeing my car in the same space every day for the 1.5 years I was at the JC (save money before I transferred to my four-year school), they thought the car had been abandoned. (I kept the fitted car tarp on it.) I actually had one class start at 0600 (Stats). I suppose after a career in the Navy, starting school at Sunrise wasn't a problem. My schedule also allowed me to run errands in the Afternoon or even meet Hubby for lunch. I never found it a hardship and it was easy to schedule early classes since most students didn't seem to want them.
 
2021-04-10 7:44:21 PM  

TooMuchReading: I've been doing remote asynchronous for my graduate degree since the pandemic started (it's the only option for me because of my work schedule).
It's been a push this semester (3rd semester in the program), but at least with asynchronous I can walk away and come back to it. My profs love it because they can recycle old recorded lectures and preset assignments, except for one who has told us in no uncertain terms he loathes online learning (he thinks the in-class dynamic is necessary for true learning, but it's a data course, which is all staring at screens anyway).
It's definitely not for everyone, if you're not self-motivated in general this sort of unstructured learning is murder. Almost 20% of folks in my program opted to defer a semester or just dropped out due to pandemic-related burnout.
It's going to be interesting when the research studies start coming out in a few years and we can really see what the long-term effects on massive online learning are in society.


90% of kids in the school /highered system will be a lost generation. The top10% will be fine.
 
2021-04-10 7:47:20 PM  
Healthy breakfast? What diploma mill did subby go to?
 
2021-04-10 7:49:54 PM  
Seesh- I had PT with ROTC at 6:30 most days.

What did suck is that the college tended to schedule 100 level classes at 8 and 3-400 level ones at 10-11.  So I'd get up, exercise, then have 2-3 hours before my first class.  8AM classes would have been better
 
2021-04-10 7:56:36 PM  

Herr Flick's Revenge: Leader O'Cola: Herr Flick's Revenge: Back in ancient times, 2015, when I started classes I had to actually drive to the campus.
Classes started at 8 am.
I was up at the latest by 6:30 am so I could shower and get dressed.

Imagine what time those professors you left mediocre evaluations for woke up.

I had great teachers, never gave any of them mediocre evaluations.
I imagine they were up at 5 am or so or possibly they slept under their desks.
It really wasn't any of my business.


Did you give them great evaluations in number score, or did you give constructive free form comments like "really appreciated that prof was fully awake,alert, enthusiastic even though we (class majority) weren't, managed to communicate ideas just as clearly and energetically as an 11am lecture.... " etc
 
2021-04-10 7:56:40 PM  

ahasp: College professor here.  I got to teach remotely this semester (via live Zoom classes). The in-person classes this semester were required to also be offered as a remote class with the professor teaching to the students in the classroom and those online simultaneously. Except, the students generally don't show up.  I ran into a colleague that teaches in person and he told me that he has a student that shows up sometimes for one of his classes. He asked the student to let him know half hour before class if they wouldn't be attending so that he could go home and teach from there.

/CSB
//Not really but its what I can pull out during Covid times


I just made the executive decision to keep all my classes online-only and not try to half-ass some sort of hybrid delivery. Don't regret it at all. My colleagues doing hybrid basically hate it, and almost nobody shows up for in person lectures.

/Looking forward to teaching in person again in the fall.
 
2021-04-10 8:00:40 PM  

ahasp: College professor here.  I got to teach remotely this semester (via live Zoom classes). The in-person classes this semester were required to also be offered as a remote class with the professor teaching to the students in the classroom and those online simultaneously. Except, the students generally don't show up.  I ran into a colleague that teaches in person and he told me that he has a student that shows up sometimes for one of his classes. He asked the student to let him know half hour before class if they wouldn't be attending so that he could go home and teach from there.

/CSB
//Not really but its what I can pull out during Covid times


similar.  We are offering online classes and in-person classes.  Students are signing up for the online ones still.  Many faculty are in classroom with one student (when 15 are supposed to be there).

While their parents berate our state legislators who then in turn told every state institution they have to be in-person come fall.

The truth is their parents want them out of the house and they think the campus experience during covid is the same as it was in there Animal House days of yore.  Kids are just sitting in their dorms remoting into classes because they don't want to walk across the campus.

Idiots everywhere abound.
 
2021-04-10 8:01:30 PM  

Leader O'Cola: TooMuchReading: I've been doing remote asynchronous for my graduate degree since the pandemic started (it's the only option for me because of my work schedule).
It's been a push this semester (3rd semester in the program), but at least with asynchronous I can walk away and come back to it. My profs love it because they can recycle old recorded lectures and preset assignments, except for one who has told us in no uncertain terms he loathes online learning (he thinks the in-class dynamic is necessary for true learning, but it's a data course, which is all staring at screens anyway).
It's definitely not for everyone, if you're not self-motivated in general this sort of unstructured learning is murder. Almost 20% of folks in my program opted to defer a semester or just dropped out due to pandemic-related burnout.
It's going to be interesting when the research studies start coming out in a few years and we can really see what the long-term effects on massive online learning are in society.

90% of kids in the school /highered system will be a lost generation. The top10% will be fine.


The top 10% are always fine.
 
2021-04-10 8:03:05 PM  

MDI_BugMan: Roll out of bed at 8am?
Hell, my first lectures were at 8am and I was already fired up on dining hall coffee and terrible powdered scrambled eggs by 7:30.


Yeah, and if I wanted a shower, it was more like 6:30. And all the EE classes were early.
And Amherst in February can be farking cold!
 
2021-04-10 8:07:20 PM  

Leader O'Cola: Herr Flick's Revenge: Leader O'Cola: Herr Flick's Revenge: Back in ancient times, 2015, when I started classes I had to actually drive to the campus.
Classes started at 8 am.
I was up at the latest by 6:30 am so I could shower and get dressed.

Imagine what time those professors you left mediocre evaluations for woke up.

I had great teachers, never gave any of them mediocre evaluations.
I imagine they were up at 5 am or so or possibly they slept under their desks.
It really wasn't any of my business.

Did you give them great evaluations in number score, or did you give constructive free form comments like "really appreciated that prof was fully awake,alert, enthusiastic even though we (class majority) weren't, managed to communicate ideas just as clearly and energetically as an 11am lecture.... " etc


interesting, I just gave a job talk on student evaluations of instructors and why they are largely useless.

turns out, no one has ever trained students on what to do with the evaluations.  Hence the feedback instructors get from those evaluations are useless.
 
2021-04-10 8:19:48 PM  
Online learning sucks

fark off
 
2021-04-10 8:22:42 PM  
My daughter got her MSW through a distant learning program at a major uni.  All of her classes were in real time, which was no big deal for her since she was in the same time zone (Pacific).  At her graduation, I met students from all around the world:  eastern and Western Europe, Asia, etc.  After talking to them about 3AM classes, I decided that I had no business complaining about one at 8:30.
 
2021-04-10 8:30:14 PM  
I drive an hour to school (once a week, yay adult education) to be there at 8, which means I am up at 5, because the morning ritual must be observed in silence and serenity.

And 10 years ago, I had all 7 am and 8 am classes the first go around. It was tuck and roll 30 minutes before and out the dorm room. Sometimes I put on deodorant and shoes instead of sandals if I managed to not lay in bed an extra 5 minutes.
 
2021-04-10 8:38:03 PM  
One thing you didn't learn:

The world doesn't care about your naval gazing self discovery.

We've all been there...you're not special.
 
2021-04-10 8:46:25 PM  

Sasquach: One thing you didn't learn:

The world doesn't care about your naval gazing self discovery.

We've all been there...you're not special.


I think a lot of us haven't been there. And think we're special.

/not special
//state school
///three
 
2021-04-10 8:50:12 PM  

Hyjamon: Leader O'Cola: Herr Flick's Revenge: Leader O'Cola: Herr Flick's Revenge: Back in ancient times, 2015, when I started classes I had to actually drive to the campus.
Classes started at 8 am.
I was up at the latest by 6:30 am so I could shower and get dressed.

Imagine what time those professors you left mediocre evaluations for woke up.

I had great teachers, never gave any of them mediocre evaluations.
I imagine they were up at 5 am or so or possibly they slept under their desks.
It really wasn't any of my business.

Did you give them great evaluations in number score, or did you give constructive free form comments like "really appreciated that prof was fully awake,alert, enthusiastic even though we (class majority) weren't, managed to communicate ideas just as clearly and energetically as an 11am lecture.... " etc

interesting, I just gave a job talk on student evaluations of instructors and why they are largely useless.

turns out, no one has ever trained students on what to do with the evaluations. Hence the feedback instructors get from those evaluations are useless.


When I was getting my second bachelor's, we got those every semester. We had this one instructor who was, no kidding, just awful. She had no clue what she was teaching or how to fake it. And I said so on the eval. Talking about it with my fellow students after, someone said "You really said that?" I said yeah, how else will they know who's doing good and who's doing bad? She said "Oh, I always say they're doing good, I don't want them to get into trouble."

Behold the inevitable result of two decades of making sure everyone feels good about themselves. "Oh honey, you're doing fine...there's nothing wrong with how you're doing..."
 
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