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2021-04-10 1:06:50 PM  
The US is responsible for the creation of Godzilla. Nuclear tests in the Pacific after WW2 did it.  I'm surprised that Japan hasn't sued the US for all the damage Godzilla has done to Tokyo alone.
 
2021-04-10 1:55:32 PM  
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2021-04-10 3:25:16 PM  
A tritium-powered Godzilla won't be able to do much damage. He'll just glow faintly in the dark.
 
2021-04-10 3:53:05 PM  
I read a fairly in depth article about this and the ppm of radioactive material in the water is incredibly low. So, low that it would have no effect on human beings. Not that it's great that it's getting dumped into the ocean, but neither is it as bad as one might imagine.
 
2021-04-10 3:59:35 PM  
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2021-04-10 4:03:15 PM  

Ivo Shandor: A tritium-powered Godzilla won't be able to do much damage. He'll just glow faintly in the dark.


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2021-04-10 4:04:02 PM  
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2021-04-10 4:06:15 PM  

cew-smoke: I read a fairly in depth article about this and the ppm of radioactive material in the water is incredibly low. So, low that it would have no effect on human beings. Not that it's great that it's getting dumped into the ocean, but neither is it as bad as one might imagine.


If it's so low why not boil the water? And then deal with what's left? Something tells me that what would be left actually is bad?
It's only harmless because it's dispensed in those millions of gallons.
So it's actually bullshiat to say it's harmless
 
2021-04-10 4:06:31 PM  

cew-smoke: I read a fairly in depth article about this and the ppm of radioactive material in the water is incredibly low. So, low that it would have no effect on human beings. Not that it's great that it's getting dumped into the ocean, but neither is it as bad as one might imagine.


Tritium decays to helium with a half-life of 12 years or so. Any effect that this might have becomes less over time.

But it seems that there will always be more tritium produced as they continue to deal with the aftermath of the meltdown. The FA doesn't tell us how long this will go on, I suppose because nobody knows.
 
2021-04-10 4:08:44 PM  

waxbeans: If it's so low why not boil the water? And then deal with what's left? Something tells me that what would be left actually is bad?
It's only harmless because it's dispensed in those millions of gallons.
So it's actually bullshiat to say it's harmless


Technically everything is hazardous in enough quantities.
 
2021-04-10 4:12:19 PM  

waxbeans: cew-smoke: I read a fairly in depth article about this and the ppm of radioactive material in the water is incredibly low. So, low that it would have no effect on human beings. Not that it's great that it's getting dumped into the ocean, but neither is it as bad as one might imagine.

If it's so low why not boil the water? And then deal with what's left? Something tells me that what would be left actually is bad?
It's only harmless because it's dispensed in those millions of gallons.
So it's actually bullshiat to say it's harmless


It is probably Tritiated water, water made with Tritium in place of Hydrogen. It will boil (almost) just like water and go into the atmosphere instead. I'm not sure how you can separate tritiated water from regular water, but it probably involves a very strong centrifuge and would be very slow.
 
2021-04-10 4:14:04 PM  

trialpha: waxbeans: If it's so low why not boil the water? And then deal with what's left? Something tells me that what would be left actually is bad?
It's only harmless because it's dispensed in those millions of gallons.
So it's actually bullshiat to say it's harmless

Technically everything is hazardous in enough quantities.


My point is, they should not release it into the ocean if they could just Boil it down.
 
2021-04-10 4:14:36 PM  

waxbeans: cew-smoke: I read a fairly in depth article about this and the ppm of radioactive material in the water is incredibly low. So, low that it would have no effect on human beings. Not that it's great that it's getting dumped into the ocean, but neither is it as bad as one might imagine.

If it's so low why not boil the water? And then deal with what's left? Something tells me that what would be left actually is bad?
It's only harmless because it's dispensed in those millions of gallons.
So it's actually bullshiat to say it's harmless


Tritium is just radioactive hydrogen, as in H2O, as in water... it won't be left behind after boiling. To separate it out from the non-radioactive H2O would require centrifuges
 
2021-04-10 4:16:29 PM  

waxbeans: My point is, they should not release it into the ocean if they could just Boil it down.


It would go into the atmosphere, form clouds, condense into raindrops, and then fall into the ocean.
 
2021-04-10 4:18:04 PM  

waxbeans: My point is, they should not release it into the ocean if they could just Boil it down.


Incredibly diluted, it's harmless. Whereas boiling it down would concentrate it and make it hazardous.
 
2021-04-10 4:33:16 PM  
the amounts of tritium would not accumulate in the body and would soon be excreted.

You should drink it, Drew. Urine luck!
 
2021-04-10 4:36:58 PM  

arthur_toafk: Tritium is just radioactive hydrogen, as in H2O, as in water... it won't be left behind after boiling. To separate it out from the non-radioactive H2O would require centrifuges


Hell that sounds more feasible
 
2021-04-10 4:37:26 PM  

Ivo Shandor: waxbeans: My point is, they should not release it into the ocean if they could just Boil it down.

It would go into the atmosphere, form clouds, condense into raindrops, and then fall into the ocean.


But the fourth one stayed up!  And that's what you're going to get: the strongest reactor in all of Japan.
 
2021-04-10 4:38:05 PM  

Ivo Shandor: waxbeans: My point is, they should not release it into the ocean if they could just Boil it down.

It would go into the atmosphere, form clouds, condense into raindrops, and then fall into the ocean.


What? I wasn't saying that we should boil it outdoors! If that's what I meant I would have said just let it evaporate.
Couldn't you run through a distiller and that would actually reduce it down?
 
2021-04-10 4:38:32 PM  

trialpha: waxbeans: My point is, they should not release it into the ocean if they could just Boil it down.

Incredibly diluted, it's harmless. Whereas boiling it down would concentrate it and make it hazardous.


The point is exactly how much hazardous material would that be?
 
2021-04-10 4:38:59 PM  
Wait which Godzilla version.  I thought the original and the more recent version was that Godzilla was a prehistoric creature awakened by radiation.

The Matthew Broderick version was an iguana that mutated from radiation.

I hate all these retcons
 
2021-04-10 4:44:42 PM  
As long as they don't make a movie as bad as that last one, I'm ok with it
 
2021-04-10 4:48:04 PM  

waxbeans: Ivo Shandor: waxbeans: My point is, they should not release it into the ocean if they could just Boil it down.

It would go into the atmosphere, form clouds, condense into raindrops, and then fall into the ocean.

What? I wasn't saying that we should boil it outdoors! If that's what I meant I would have said just let it evaporate.
Couldn't you run through a distiller and that would actually reduce it down?


It can be done, but it's not as simple as just boiling and condensing the water. Example:

https://www.nuclearsolutions.veolia.c​o​m/en/our-expertise/technologies/our-mo​dular-detritiation-system-mds-remove-t​ritium
 
2021-04-10 4:49:03 PM  
Dilute is just die with lute.

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2021-04-10 5:00:50 PM  

Ivo Shandor: ?

It can be done, but it's not as simple as just boiling and condensing the water. Example:

https://www.nuclearsolutions.veolia.co​m/en/our-expertise/technologies/our-mo​dular-detritiation-system-mds-remove-t​ritium


Absolutely fascinating thank you.

I feel into a Kwhole.
While tritium is necessary for boosted nuclear weapons to function, it is not a nuclear material as defined by international statute. It is a radioactive gas and decays with a half-life of 12.3 years. That means that half of this material disappears every 12.3 years.

This relatively short half-life distinguishes tritium from the fissile materials used in nuclear bombs, such as plutonium and highly enriched uranium (HEU). For many years diplomats have tried to negotiate a fissile material cut-off treaty (FMCT) to prohibit the further production of fissile materials. But an FMCT would leave stockpiles frozen at high levels without increase or decrease. Unlike the FMCT, a proposed tritium cut-off treaty (TCOT) would begin to reduce weapons stocks immediately because of tritium's natural decay.

Neutron bombs, believed to be in the stockpiles of China and Israel, would be among the first casualties of a TCOT. The neutron bomb uses large quantities of tritium to produce a huge flood of neutrons designed to kill living organisms but produce a drastically reduced blast. The USA abandoned this type of weapon because of its high tritium consumption, many times that of a boosted weapon.

Tell me again we're the bad guys.
 
2021-04-10 5:05:36 PM  
For what it's worth, once the water is dumped into the ocean, the ocean water itself will act as shielding.
 
2021-04-10 5:27:32 PM  

Ivo Shandor: waxbeans: My point is, they should not release it into the ocean if they could just Boil it down.

It would go into the atmosphere, form clouds, condense into raindrops, and then fall into the ocean.


Maybe he wanted to make dehydrated water.
 
2021-04-10 5:47:14 PM  

trialpha: waxbeans: My point is, they should not release it into the ocean if they could just Boil it down.

Incredibly diluted, it's harmless. Whereas boiling it down would concentrate it and make it hazardous.


Uhm, it is tritiated water. The water molecules in the water have two hydrogen atoms that are either protium (no neutron) or tritium (two neutrons). Hell, there is probably some deuterium in there as well. If you boil it the tritiated water will turn into tritiated steam which will float away and condense into tritiated clouds that eventually release tritiated rain.

The solution to pollution is dilution. There is already millions of tons of tritium in the world's oceans, what's a few more pounds of it? It will be back to Helium-3 in no time anyway.
 
2021-04-10 5:51:27 PM  
Gov't to release Fukushima nuclear plant water into sea despite fishermen's objection fart in the elevator.
 
2021-04-10 5:59:11 PM  
"The treated water containing radioactive tritium, a byproduct of nuclear reactors, is said to pose little risk to human health because even if one drinks the water, so long as the tritium concentration is low, the amounts of tritium would not accumulate in the body and would soon be excreted. "

So the Prime Minister would have no problem sitting in a barrel of it for 24 hours while drinking just that water to prove it poses no danger.
 
2021-04-10 6:09:47 PM  

madgonad: Uhm, it is tritiated water. The water molecules in the water have two hydrogen atoms that are either protium (no neutron) or tritium (two neutrons). Hell, there is probably some deuterium in there as well. If you boil it the tritiated water will turn into tritiated steam which will float away and condense into tritiated clouds that eventually release tritiated rain.

The solution to pollution is dilution. There is already millions of tons of tritium in the world's oceans, what's a few more pounds of it? It will be back to Helium-3 in no time anyway.


I should have been more clear. I was responding as if waxbean's idea of boiling (water evaporates leaving contaminants behind) would work.
 
2021-04-10 6:31:11 PM  
Well if they drop those canisters of water in to the middle of nowhere in the ocean then they'll upset Aquaman.
 
2021-04-10 6:34:38 PM  
Tritiated water is used in medicine and is consumed for imaging on X-rays, IIRC
 
2021-04-10 7:01:34 PM  

maniacbastard: Tritiated water is used in medicine and is consumed for imaging on X-rays, IIRC


Maybe for some medical research but I don't recall hearing of it as a treatment or diagnostic procedure.
 
2021-04-10 7:06:45 PM  
Seriously when I was a kid I would have wondered why they didn't just have Godzilla drink the water.
 
2021-04-10 7:24:26 PM  
It's a low energy beta emitter.  If they did it slow enough over a large area, no big deal.  It has to be dealt with and leaving it in giant barrels isn't dealing with it.
 
2021-04-10 7:40:24 PM  
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2021-04-10 8:43:51 PM  
If all the problem is just tritium then it is not much worse than the glowing watch hands that watches used to have.
The biggest fear is the other nasties that the water may have. Radioactive Cesium and Strontium are not easy to remove.
 
2021-04-10 8:52:51 PM  

waxbeans: cew-smoke: I read a fairly in depth article about this and the ppm of radioactive material in the water is incredibly low. So, low that it would have no effect on human beings. Not that it's great that it's getting dumped into the ocean, but neither is it as bad as one might imagine.

If it's so low why not boil the water? And then deal with what's left? Something tells me that what would be left actually is bad?
It's only harmless because it's dispensed in those millions of gallons.
So it's actually bullshiat to say it's harmless


If you were fishing off of fukashima for the rest of you life, you would get the equivalent dose of 0.001 x-rays per year of radiation exposure. Is it harmless? No. We've done much worse to the planet, though. Go live next to a smelter or a coal plant for comparison.
 
2021-04-10 8:52:59 PM  

stuhayes2010: It's a low energy beta emitter.


They obviously need an ALPHA CHAD to take care of the problem!!!

/redpill
 
2021-04-10 8:54:31 PM  

waxbeans: trialpha: waxbeans: If it's so low why not boil the water? And then deal with what's left? Something tells me that what would be left actually is bad?
It's only harmless because it's dispensed in those millions of gallons.
So it's actually bullshiat to say it's harmless

Technically everything is hazardous in enough quantities.

My point is, they should not release it into the ocean if they could just Boil it down.


So, put it in the atmosphere and let it rain down on people, or dump it in the largest sink sink on the planet to dilute it out?
 
2021-04-10 9:01:48 PM  

MythDragon: "The treated water containing radioactive tritium, a byproduct of nuclear reactors, is said to pose little risk to human health because even if one drinks the water, so long as the tritium concentration is low, the amounts of tritium would not accumulate in the body and would soon be excreted. "

So the Prime Minister would have no problem sitting in a barrel of it for 24 hours while drinking just that water to prove it poses no danger.


The pacific ocean is 660 million cubic kilometers. That's 660 quadrillion cubic meters. That's 660 x 10**18 liters. Dumping a couple of swimming pools of diluted tritium water into it is like homeopathy.
 
2021-04-10 9:02:46 PM  

maniacbastard: Tritiated water is used in medicine and is consumed for imaging on X-rays, IIRC


It was also used to make my super cool 80s watch with glowing hands.
 
2021-04-11 12:47:32 AM  
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2021-04-11 1:28:44 AM  
The TMI-2 Accident water was cleaned up of everything until it was literally drinking water quality, including tritium levels. We still weren't allowed to dump it in the Susquehanna River because downstream users objected because it was "accident water". So we boiled off about a million gallons of water at a couple gallons per minute and . . . released it to the atmosphere.
 
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