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(AP News)   Turns out Mike Pence was very concerned the January 6 rioters weren't breaking into the Capitol just to have a little talk with him   (apnews.com) divider line
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2021-04-10 1:48:28 PM  
Mike Pence should testify to Congress, the police, and anyone else relevant and say what he knows.
 
2021-04-10 2:49:50 PM  
FTFA On the eve of Trump's rally Jan. 6 near the White House, the first 255 National Guard troops arrived in the district, and Mayor Muriel Bowser confirmed in a letter to the administration that no other military support was needed.

There is plenty of blame to lay at the feet of the Trump administration but Muriel Bowser needs to take a big bite of this shiat sandwich.
 
2021-04-10 3:21:26 PM  
Why weren't live rounds being used.
Why hasn't Trump been tried/convicted and hanged for Treason yet?


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2021-04-10 3:34:40 PM  
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2021-04-10 4:01:04 PM  
Wasn't concerned enough to stop sucking the dick of the worthless POS who incited it

/F*ck him
 
2021-04-10 4:19:43 PM  
If Trump knew how to fiddle, he would have been doing it while the Capitol was being invaded
 
2021-04-10 4:31:15 PM  

kkinnison: If Trump knew how to fiddle, he would have been doing it while the Capitol was being invaded


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2021-04-10 4:35:17 PM  

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"Shortly after 3 p.m., McCarthy provided "verbal approval" of the activation of 1,100 National Guard troops to support the D.C. police and the development of a plan for the troops' deployment duties, locations and unit sizes. "

the timeline does not explain when Pence's phone call  was.  Which makes it seem the Tweet was enough for a verbal approval for McCarthy
 
2021-04-10 4:56:22 PM  

bostonguy: Mike Pence should testify to Congress, the police, and anyone else relevant and say what he knows.


But he won't, because he knows that firing up the loony Trumpian flying monkeys is far more dangerous than just ducking the radar and quietly raking in mountains of cash from some undefined righty "job" for the rest of his years. Which is exactly the sort of reason the GOP is so invested in incubating as many violent crazies as possible.
 
2021-04-10 5:42:33 PM  
I'm still convinced that Trump only tweeted "go in peace," because somebody told him "they got Pence," and he thought they were talking about the rioters, not the secret service, and for a brief moment he almost realized his actions have consequences.
 
2021-04-10 5:43:59 PM  

Ivo Shandor: kkinnison: If Trump knew how to fiddle, he would have been doing it while the Capitol was being invaded

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Christ. I forgot about that.
 
2021-04-10 5:44:05 PM  
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....never forget
 
2021-04-10 5:46:36 PM  
If a bunch of old fat guys can walk into the Capital, what's to stop a hostile foreign team with actual training from doing the same?
 
2021-04-10 5:48:58 PM  

TheGreatGazoo: If a bunch of old fat guys can walk into the Capital, what's to stop a hostile foreign team with actual training from doing the same?


Whiteness.
 
2021-04-10 5:53:21 PM  
I'm fascinated that there's still a paper left in the country willing to call the lack of security detail errors and missteps when it was obvious on the day what was happening and how and why
 
2021-04-10 5:57:05 PM  

Kick The Chair: Why weren't live rounds being used.
Why hasn't Trump been tried/convicted and hanged for Treason yet?


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Because Republicans are a fraternity of crooked cops who always protect each other, especially when they know their fellow Republican is guilty. We had 2 impeachment votes and, except for a handful, they all voted NO.
 
2021-04-10 5:58:55 PM  
We're already farked as a nation. Trump all but led the insurrection to the Capitol, yet he wasn't arrested and brought up on charges. Trump has been allowed to live as if nothing has happened. So his gamble that he would not suffer personally was shrewd.

Our country, on the other hand, got played.
 
2021-04-10 5:59:37 PM  
I dunno, I have it on the good authority of a VT Primitive / seditionist farkstick that none of this actually happened and we're all just overreacting.
 
2021-04-10 5:59:54 PM  

TheGreatGazoo: If a bunch of old fat guys can walk into the Capital, what's to stop a hostile foreign team with actual training from doing the same?


If the President deliberately clears the way for them blocking any military response and half of the US Capitol Police despite not taking orders from the President are loyal to him and want to let the foreign team in, nothing except the other half of the US Capitol Police who didn't get the memo.
 
2021-04-10 6:03:55 PM  
I have a suspicion that wasn't the first time Pence was on his knees.
 
2021-04-10 6:05:08 PM  

MattytheMouse: TheGreatGazoo: If a bunch of old fat guys can walk into the Capital, what's to stop a hostile foreign team with actual training from doing the same?

Whiteness.


Russians are white
 
2021-04-10 6:07:04 PM  

Petroleum Oligarch: MattytheMouse: TheGreatGazoo: If a bunch of old fat guys can walk into the Capital, what's to stop a hostile foreign team with actual training from doing the same?

Whiteness.

Russians are white


I'm far from convinced the Republicans would try to stop them.
 
2021-04-10 6:07:16 PM  
Could have invoked the 25th, you coward.
 
2021-04-10 6:08:32 PM  

Petroleum Oligarch: MattytheMouse: TheGreatGazoo: If a bunch of old fat guys can walk into the Capital, what's to stop a hostile foreign team with actual training from doing the same?

Whiteness.

Russians are white


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F*ckin a
 
2021-04-10 6:09:38 PM  

TheGreatGazoo: If a bunch of old fat guys can walk into the Capital, what's to stop a hostile foreign team with actual training from doing the same?


As soon as that happens, the call will go out and every true patriot will rush to the capitol to repel the invaders.  I mean, they'll check for some reasonably priced flights and call work to see if they can have a few days.  Have the wife pack the cammo and the tactical vest, or tac-vest or even tac-v. Book an SUV at Dulles cause there's no way they'd drive in to Washington DC in an economy car.
 
2021-04-10 6:10:44 PM  

TheGreatGazoo: If a bunch of old fat guys can walk into the Capital, what's to stop a hostile foreign team with actual training from doing the same?


This is exactly what I was thinking as it was going down: Russians (or other scary, white people du jour) with actual training would waltz right in.
 
2021-04-10 6:10:51 PM  

skinink: We're already farked as a nation. Trump all but led the insurrection to the Capitol, yet he wasn't arrested and brought up on charges. Trump has been allowed to live as if nothing has happened. So his gamble that he would not suffer personally was shrewd.

Our country, on the other hand, got played.


Trump had four years to rig the courts, and he farked that up too.
It's only been four months. They haven't even started the trials on the guys they caught so far. it's gonna take time to get to trump. They'll get Roger Stone and Flynn too. If they don't then I'm with you.
 
2021-04-10 6:13:27 PM  
oh yeah?  and then when they didn't kill him he decided to validate the lies that nearly got him hanged.

kind of a weird strategy there, mike.  gonna give em another shot at ya?
 
2021-04-10 6:13:47 PM  

bostonguy: Mike Pence should testify to Congress, the police, and anyone else relevant and say what he knows.


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/Republican elected officials by and large still refuse to acknowledge the jan 6 insurrection what it is, and refuse to publicly distance themselves from the angry orange lest they piss of their voters.
//"facts" and "testimonies" aren't going to change a damn thing in their world.
 
2021-04-10 6:14:04 PM  

dildo tontine: FTFA On the eve of Trump's rally Jan. 6 near the White House, the first 255 National Guard troops arrived in the district, and Mayor Muriel Bowser confirmed in a letter to the administration that no other military support was needed.

There is plenty of blame to lay at the feet of the Trump administration but Muriel Bowser needs to take a big bite of this shiat sandwich.


They listened to the mayor in "Jaws" too and look where that got 'em.
 
2021-04-10 6:18:58 PM  
If Pence had balls he would have had Trump arrested and seized the presidency for a week because of that shiat.
 
2021-04-10 6:19:39 PM  
It's a shame in a way that they didn't get Pence.  You can bet the murder of an actual sitting Republican politician would have changed the opinions of a few of them about the whole 'treason and sedition' stuff.  They understand self-preservation, it's their prime motivator (followed closely by greed and hate).
 
2021-04-10 6:20:33 PM  

davynelson: oh yeah?  and then when they didn't kill him he decided to validate the lies that nearly got him hanged.

kind of a weird strategy there, mike.  gonna give em another shot at ya?


He knows the Republicans can get to him a lot more conveniently and immediately then any silly MAGAt. So he's more terrified of his own colleagues.
 
2021-04-10 6:23:15 PM  
FTFA:  The Trump administration and the Pentagon were wary of a heavy military presence, in part because of criticism officials faced for the seemingly heavy-handed National Guard and law enforcement efforts to counter civil unrest in the aftermath of the police killing of George Floyd in Minneapolis.

My eyes rolled right out the back of my skull at this gem.
 
2021-04-10 6:27:20 PM  

poppaskwat: TheGreatGazoo: If a bunch of old fat guys can walk into the Capital, what's to stop a hostile foreign team with actual training from doing the same?

This is exactly what I was thinking as it was going down: Russians (or other scary, white people du jour) with actual training would waltz right in.


Keep in mind that It's much easier to retaliate against a hostile nation state with hundreds of billions of dollars in foreign assets than it to keep a bunch of angry, determined hillbillies out.

Sure, Russia could send a bunch of undercover "tourists" to openly capture the capitol. But the second they are linked to it, Russian owned bank accounts around the world would be frozen, stock in Russian companies would crater, and the rest of the industrialized world will stop doing business with them as well under threat of being boycotted by the US for being enablers.  The Russian economy would take decades to recover from the fallout.

On top of that, the Jan 6th official response was very slow and very restrained; if there were actual hostile foreign troops, the entire place would have been teargassed, immediately to be followed by the army being sent in.
 
2021-04-10 6:32:44 PM  

full8me: FTFA:  The Trump administration and the Pentagon were wary of a heavy military presence, in part because of criticism officials faced for the seemingly heavy-handed National Guard and law enforcement efforts to counter civil unrest in the aftermath of the police killing of George Floyd in Minneapolis.

My eyes rolled right out the back of my skull at this gem.


How nice that the media will just reprint their lies for them.
 
2021-04-10 6:38:54 PM  
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2021-04-10 6:42:41 PM  

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....never forget


Very poor craftsmanship, that thing would have broken the instant they kicked the stool over.
 
2021-04-10 6:46:20 PM  
The fact Trump was watching on TV and SS did not immediately ferreted his orange ass away to a secure location speaks volumes in that he certainly didn't feel a threat from the riot.
 
2021-04-10 6:46:34 PM  

Harry Freakstorm: TheGreatGazoo: If a bunch of old fat guys can walk into the Capital, what's to stop a hostile foreign team with actual training from doing the same?

As soon as that happens, the call will go out and every true patriot will rush to the capitol to repel the invaders.  I mean, they'll check for some reasonably priced flights and call work to see if they can have a few days.  Have the wife pack the cammo and the tactical vest, or tac-vest or even tac-v. Book an SUV at Dulles cause there's no way they'd drive in to Washington DC in an economy car.


They'll steal a couple of golf carts.
 
2021-04-10 6:51:26 PM  

TheGreatGazoo: If a bunch of old fat guys can walk into the Capital, what's to stop a hostile foreign team with actual training from doing the same?


White House Down was a realistic example.
 
2021-04-10 6:53:27 PM  

duppy: bostonguy: Mike Pence should testify to Congress, the police, and anyone else relevant and say what he knows.

But he won't, because he knows that firing up the loony Trumpian flying monkeys is far more dangerous than just ducking the radar and quietly raking in mountains of cash from some undefined righty "job" for the rest of his years. Which is exactly the sort of reason the GOP is so invested in incubating as many violent crazies as possible.


True enough, but I imagine he still wants to be President, so presumably he can't just completely disappear into the woodwork.
 
2021-04-10 6:57:39 PM  

bostonguy: Mike Pence should testify to Congress, the police, and anyone else relevant and say what he knows.


He had his chance, he didn't give a fark.

This is what has me afraid for the future, how they WILL NOT break ranks in any meaningful way. Pence is either so terrified that he would not even show his face anywhere or he refuses to do anything that would set back the party. What makes the like five never Trumpers different is that they think Redcap bullshiat is weakening the party long term.

You see it at every single level of the movement, even people who hate Trump would rather die than vote for Biden. No matter what they rally around the family, how long has the kid farker clung to his seat when anyone who wasn't a Republican would've be run out of town? Can't risk losing the seat if they can help it.

You can't even get Democratic judges who are so old they've been around since the red scare to retire so the next Trump won't get to pick their replacements, and there's so much infighting that they have to walk back campaign promises because one person decided to go be an asshole.

They were gonna lynch Pence on live TV and he DOESNT CARE!

How the fark is that supposed to stand up to the people who would break every rule if it let them hold on to power?
 
2021-04-10 7:08:09 PM  

kkinnison: blastoh: [Fark user image 425x232]

"Shortly after 3 p.m., McCarthy provided "verbal approval" of the activation of 1,100 National Guard troops to support the D.C. police and the development of a plan for the troops' deployment duties, locations and unit sizes. "

the timeline does not explain when Pence's phone call  was.  Which makes it seem the Tweet was enough for a verbal approval for McCarthy


From TFA.
"At 4:08 p.m. on Jan. 6, as the rioters roamed the Capitol and after they had menacingly called out for Pelosi, D-Calif., and yelled for Pence to be hanged, the vice president was in a secure location, phoning Christopher Miller, the acting defense secretary, and demanding answers. "

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"At 3:19 p.m., Pelosi and Schumer were calling the Pentagon for help and were told the National Guard had been approved. But military and law enforcement leaders struggled over the next 90 minutes to execute the plan as the Army and Guard called all troops in from their checkpoints, issued them new gear, laid out a new plan for their mission and briefed them on their duties. The Guard troops had been prepared only for traffic duties. Army leaders argued that sending them into a volatile combat situation required additional instruction to keep both them and the public safe.

By 3:37 p.m., the Pentagon sent its own security forces to guard the homes of defense leaders. No troops had yet reached the Capitol.

By 3:44 p.m., the congressional leaders escalated their pleas. "Tell POTUS to tweet everyone should leave," Schumer implored the officials, using the acronym for the president of the United States. House Majority Leader Steny Hoyer, D-Md., asked about calling up active duty military.

At 3:48 p.m., frustrated that the D.C. Guard hadn't fully developed a plan to link up with police, the Army secretary dashed from the Pentagon to D.C. police headquarters to help coordinate with law enforcement."

(Pence's call was at 4:08.)

"Trump broke his silence at 4:17 p.m., tweeting to his followers to "go home and go in peace."

By about 4:30 p.m., the military plan was finalized and Walker had approval to send the Guard to the Capitol. The reports of state capitals breached in other places turned out to be bogus.

At about 4:40 p.m. Pelosi and Schumer were again on the phone with Milley and the Pentagon leadership, asking Miller to secure the perimeter. But the acrimony was becoming obvious. The congressional leadership on the call "accuses the National Security apparatus of knowing that protestors planned to conduct an assault on the Capitol," the timeline said. The call lasts 30 minutes. Pelosi's spokesman acknowledges there was a brief discussion of the obvious intelligence failures that led to the insurrection.

It would be another hour before the first contingent of 155 Guard members were at the Capitol. Dressed in riot gear, they began arriving at 5:20 p.m."
 
2021-04-10 7:12:14 PM  
"The Constitution makes clear that the vice president's role in this joint session of Congress is largely ceremonial. "

Sure, when the Constitution says the Vice President is the "President of the Senate", it's just just for funzies
 
2021-04-10 7:17:56 PM  

TheGreatGazoo: If a bunch of old fat guys can walk into the Capital, what's to stop a hostile foreign team with actual training from doing the same?


As brought up before and deftly answered, if Trump ponied up money upfront to Blackwater, Biden wouldn't be President today.
 
2021-04-10 7:21:54 PM  

Unsung_Hero: It's a shame in a way that they didn't get Pence.  You can bet the murder of an actual sitting Republican politician would have changed the opinions of a few of them about the whole 'treason and sedition' stuff.  They understand self-preservation, it's their prime motivator (followed closely by greed and hate).


Sadly, no.

The Mercers, Kochs, and the rest of the oligarch GQP could have been skinned, raped, and murdered (not necessarily in that order), and still no charges, as long as the money still flowed and they had the votes.
 
2021-04-10 7:24:30 PM  

Excelsior: poppaskwat: TheGreatGazoo: If a bunch of old fat guys can walk into the Capital, what's to stop a hostile foreign team with actual training from doing the same?

This is exactly what I was thinking as it was going down: Russians (or other scary, white people du jour) with actual training would waltz right in.

Keep in mind that It's much easier to retaliate against a hostile nation state with hundreds of billions of dollars in foreign assets than it to keep a bunch of angry, determined hillbillies out.

Sure, Russia could send a bunch of undercover "tourists" to openly capture the capitol. But the second they are linked to it, Russian owned bank accounts around the world would be frozen, stock in Russian companies would crater, and the rest of the industrialized world will stop doing business with them as well under threat of being boycotted by the US for being enablers.  The Russian economy would take decades to recover from the fallout.

On top of that, the Jan 6th official response was very slow and very restrained; if there were actual hostile foreign troops, the entire place would have been teargassed, immediately to be followed by the army being sent in.


Um, no. Russian connections and interests would be too interwoven, and it would bite us before them.
 
2021-04-10 7:30:05 PM  

TheGreatGazoo: If a bunch of old fat guys can walk into the Capital, what's to stop a hostile foreign team with actual training from doing the same?


Stoping them? I would say retaliation. Even if American society is on the brink of civil war, I would imagine the military is pretty much on the same page (mostly) and would feel zero hesitation to bring hellfire down once Intel identifies which nation hired some meal team 6 lookalikes.

Wear baggy clothes, stuff a homemade fat suit using 2 pillows for the gut and one for each thigh, and as long as you don't accidentally speak with a Russian or foreign accent, you would have been good to go.

But then you have to convince these people that a suicide mission is gonna be ok.
 
2021-04-10 7:37:45 PM  

duppy: bostonguy: Mike Pence should testify to Congress, the police, and anyone else relevant and say what he knows.

But he won't, because he knows that firing up the loony Trumpian flying monkeys is far more dangerous than just ducking the radar and quietly raking in mountains of cash from some undefined righty "job" for the rest of his years. Which is exactly the sort of reason the GOP is so invested in incubating as many violent crazies as possible.


This is exactly it.
 
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