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2021-04-10 9:57:39 AM  
Get rid of the pre-employment THC testing for most jobs, and a lot of younger workers can get hired.  We don't have breathalyzers to keep functional alcoholics from jobs, and unless someone shows up higher than hoot owl, they should be working.   Most jobs are not impacted by last Friday night's bong binge or Saturday wake and bake, so employers could be fully staffed, but, oh no, our insurance company says the file clerk and stock boy are creating legal risk with their choices on the weekend.  The CEO can get drunk, run over a pedestrian in a company car, and it's an addiction and he'll go to rehab.
 
2021-04-10 11:02:47 AM  
"I had one guy quit who said I can make more on unemployment. I'll take the summer off," said Robert Stevenson, CEO of Eastman Machine Company, a producer of machines that cut specialty fabrics for industry. "I told him I can't guarantee you'll have your job back. He said, 'I'll take my chances.'"

What? You don't get unemployment if you quit. Only if you're laid off.
 
2021-04-10 11:57:55 AM  
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2021-04-10 12:33:39 PM  
Factory owners and employers lament that the generosity of unemployment benefits and stimulus payments have some workers avoiding returning to work because they make more money not working.

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f only there were some way for the owners of the means of production to encourage these workers to return to the workforce.

If only...
 
2021-04-10 12:57:39 PM  
Who knew incentivizing people to stay on unemployment with additional weekly subsidies would have this sort of effect?

Oh right, everybody.
 
2021-04-10 1:33:44 PM  

the unabomber was right: "I had one guy quit who said I can make more on unemployment. I'll take the summer off," said Robert Stevenson, CEO of Eastman Machine Company, a producer of machines that cut specialty fabrics for industry. "I told him I can't guarantee you'll have your job back. He said, 'I'll take my chances.'"

What? You don't get unemployment if you quit. Only if you're laid off.


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2021-04-10 1:34:30 PM  
Meanwhile local business owners vent on Facebook that the government needs to force people to work for the slave wages they want to pay.

People are terrible.
 
2021-04-10 1:36:29 PM  

8 inches: Who knew incentivizing people to stay on unemployment with additional weekly subsidies would have this sort of effect?

Oh right, everybody stupid people.



FTFY.
 
2021-04-10 1:38:00 PM  

Giant Clown Shoe: Factory owners and employers lament that the generosity of unemployment benefits and stimulus payments have some workers avoiding returning to work because they make more money not working.

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f only there were some way for the owners of the means of production to encourage these workers to return to the workforce.

If only...


Doesn't unemployment make you certify every week that you're looking for work? You're not allowed to turn down relevant work and keep unemployment. Unless it's not like this in other states.
 
2021-04-10 1:39:36 PM  
Because your employees have decided that getting in line at 3AM at a food bank for a chance to get expired canned green beans is better than putting up with your shiat.

And every time one of these Job Creators (PBUT) goes on a news hit piece to complain, I empathize with the employees a little more.
 
2021-04-10 1:44:06 PM  

Giant Clown Shoe: f only there were some way for the owners of the means of production to encourage these workers to return to the workforce.

If only.


What, do you want hamburgers to cost $25 each and a wrench to be $100? Because we've been continually told that that's the best case scenario should companies have to pay employees anything approaching a real wage. And surely, the people who say that are working from scientific, peer-reviewed studies and math, and not just making up scary numbers to avoid spending money.
 
2021-04-10 2:01:51 PM  
If you can't afford to pay people more than unemployment, are you really running a viable business?
 
2021-04-10 2:02:59 PM  

Fonaibung: If you can't afford to pay people more than unemployment, are you really running a viable business?


And this is why the unemployment supplement of $600 quickly went away--the unemployed poor suddenly got a taste of how life could be, and we simply couldn't have that.
 
2021-04-10 2:07:53 PM  
I figured.  Last week or so I've been getting emails from heathunters for the first time in many years, for pretty good looking jobs, including one where they actually scheduled an interview.

(That one was funny.  It was real: the phone number and email domain matched the company's website, it was a fairly well known firm, and the recruiter confirmed it over email.  It was obvious they didn't personally read my resume, or they would have seen I was at best a tangential fit, but there were a large number of mostly accidental keyword matches and I'm guessing their strategy was to schedule interviews with "good" matches.  No I didn't accept the interview; I'm good at my current job. /CSB)
 
2021-04-10 2:07:59 PM  

Fonaibung: If you can't afford to pay people more than unemployment, are you really running a viable business?


Most are more worried about their stockholders getting more money than they can spend.
The robber barons were a delight compared with this unchecked greed.
 
2021-04-10 2:12:38 PM  

the unabomber was right: "I had one guy quit who said I can make more on unemployment. I'll take the summer off," said Robert Stevenson, CEO of Eastman Machine Company, a producer of machines that cut specialty fabrics for industry. "I told him I can't guarantee you'll have your job back. He said, 'I'll take my chances.'"

What? You don't get unemployment if you quit. Only if you're laid off.


Laws differ by state and quitting for some reasons ( unsafe work conditions, lack of payment, change in job duties, discrimination, harassment, etc ) allow you to receive unemployment.
 
2021-04-10 2:14:24 PM  
I keep seeing these stories about companies complaining that they can't find people to work. Yet I've applied at dozens, hell, maybe hundreds of jobs, I can't even remember anymore. I can't even get an interview.

There was a thread in the discussion tab the other day with people telling similar stories. Years or decades of experience, steady employment but can't even get an interview.

Some of the job sites send me updates about jobs I've applied for and tell me how many other people have applied. I think it might be indeed but I get so much email from all the sites I'm not sure. One update said something like "860 people have applied for this job".  So there's no shortage of people seemingly willing to work. I'm not sure what's going on but I have a theory.

My theory is that companies are acting like that average looking single woman who constantly complains that she's single but will only date someone if they're 6'3" with an Olympic swimmers body, independently wealthy, have a PhD, a giant dick, and they love to cook.

No, I don't have a college degree.
Yes, I can do your stupid job without one.
 
2021-04-10 2:15:27 PM  

aerojockey: I figured.  Last week or so I've been getting emails from heathunters for the first time in many years, for pretty good looking jobs, including one where they actually scheduled an interview.

(That one was funny.  It was real: the phone number and email domain matched the company's website, it was a fairly well known firm, and the recruiter confirmed it over email.  It was obvious they didn't personally read my resume, or they would have seen I was at best a tangential fit, but there were a large number of mostly accidental keyword matches and I'm guessing their strategy was to schedule interviews with "good" matches.  No I didn't accept the interview; I'm good at my current job. /CSB)


I have been getting a lot of weird ones, the best is People & Culture Manager. I don't know what it is but I know I'm not qualified for.
 
2021-04-10 2:20:13 PM  
The last person that had the job died of COVID? Half the public are verifiably insane? Staying alive mooching at home with mom and dad is better than dealing with either?
 
2021-04-10 2:31:38 PM  

groppet: aerojockey: I figured.  Last week or so I've been getting emails from heathunters for the first time in many years, for pretty good looking jobs, including one where they actually scheduled an interview.

(That one was funny.  It was real: the phone number and email domain matched the company's website, it was a fairly well known firm, and the recruiter confirmed it over email.  It was obvious they didn't personally read my resume, or they would have seen I was at best a tangential fit, but there were a large number of mostly accidental keyword matches and I'm guessing their strategy was to schedule interviews with "good" matches.  No I didn't accept the interview; I'm good at my current job. /CSB)

I have been getting a lot of weird ones, the best is People & Culture Manager. I don't know what it is but I know I'm not qualified for.


I get so much garbage it's almost a full time job just sifting through it. The employment site bots just aren't very smart I guess. I keep getting one from some company saying they want to hire me for an open "licensed massage therapist" position. I've spent 30 years in warehousing and logistics.

Nothing on my resume would even suggest I've ever worked in healthcare, real estate, or insurance sales. but they're all things I get regardless of how much I try and narrow the parameters of my job searches/alerts.

I also get a lot of alerts for old postings that have been closed for some time. It really just seems like spam at this point. A good percentage of job sites are just  farking ghost towns of old postings that no one is even looking at on the hiring end.
 
2021-04-10 2:40:42 PM  

cherryl taggart: Get rid of the pre-employment THC testing for most jobs, and a lot of younger workers can get hired.  We don't have breathalyzers to keep functional alcoholics from jobs, and unless someone shows up higher than hoot owl, they should be working.   Most jobs are not impacted by last Friday night's bong binge or Saturday wake and bake, so employers could be fully staffed, but, oh no, our insurance company says the file clerk and stock boy are creating legal risk with their choices on the weekend.  The CEO can get drunk, run over a pedestrian in a company car, and it's an addiction and he'll go to rehab.


When I was twenty one I was going to apply as a cook at Outback Steakhouse, I had 3 years experience at that point.

Then I learned they drug tested and NOPED out of that one.

Now up to 20 years kitchen experience and am at a job that laughs at the idea of drug testing.

/I just do pot now.
//I really don't understand how a restaurant can work with only straight edge employees.
///Good cooks are all at least slightly crazy.  If they've figured out how to balance it out, you have yourself a head chef.
 
2021-04-10 2:44:51 PM  
If it isn't a liveable wage, it's just an honroarium for volunteer work.
 
2021-04-10 2:54:38 PM  

abhorrent1: I keep seeing these stories about companies complaining that they can't find people to work. Yet I've applied at dozens, hell, maybe hundreds of jobs, I can't even remember anymore. I can't even get an interview.

There was a thread in the discussion tab the other day with people telling similar stories. Years or decades of experience, steady employment but can't even get an interview.

Some of the job sites send me updates about jobs I've applied for and tell me how many other people have applied. I think it might be indeed but I get so much email from all the sites I'm not sure. One update said something like "860 people have applied for this job".  So there's no shortage of people seemingly willing to work. I'm not sure what's going on but I have a theory.

My theory is that companies are acting like that average looking single woman who constantly complains that she's single but will only date someone if they're 6'3" with an Olympic swimmers body, independently wealthy, have a PhD, a giant dick, and they love to cook.

No, I don't have a college degree.
Yes, I can do your stupid job without one.


Not quite, well I mean sometimes, but there are basically three potential reasons

- They've picked who they want to hire but have to go through the song and dance per HR policy
- They don't intend to fill the position being advertised. By constantly looking they can go back to the people that currently work there that they just can't find someone so could you please keep doing the job of 2+ people until we can.
- (tech) They intend to off shore or fill it with a visa applicant
 
2021-04-10 2:56:14 PM  

abhorrent1: groppet: aerojockey: I figured.  Last week or so I've been getting emails from heathunters for the first time in many years, for pretty good looking jobs, including one where they actually scheduled an interview.

(That one was funny.  It was real: the phone number and email domain matched the company's website, it was a fairly well known firm, and the recruiter confirmed it over email.  It was obvious they didn't personally read my resume, or they would have seen I was at best a tangential fit, but there were a large number of mostly accidental keyword matches and I'm guessing their strategy was to schedule interviews with "good" matches.  No I didn't accept the interview; I'm good at my current job. /CSB)

I have been getting a lot of weird ones, the best is People & Culture Manager. I don't know what it is but I know I'm not qualified for.

I get so much garbage it's almost a full time job just sifting through it. The employment site bots just aren't very smart I guess. I keep getting one from some company saying they want to hire me for an open "licensed massage therapist" position. I've spent 30 years in warehousing and logistics.

Nothing on my resume would even suggest I've ever worked in healthcare, real estate, or insurance sales. but they're all things I get regardless of how much I try and narrow the parameters of my job searches/alerts.

I also get a lot of alerts for old postings that have been closed for some time. It really just seems like spam at this point. A good percentage of job sites are just  farking ghost towns of old postings that no one is even looking at on the hiring end.


A lot of that is because the "search"  is on the hiring end, not the applicant end. As a result, everyone trying to sell Herbalife/MLM/door-to-door-sales/whate​ver puts every keyword they can think of in the spam query, to try to hit as many people as possible, trying to find someone desperate enough for the Ponzi scheme.
 
2021-04-10 3:08:36 PM  
 As for the drug testing people are talking about above:

I've worked now for almost 30 years (since college), for a total of 8 different companies. Only two haven't required a drug test: A 30 person marketing agency (where I know there were people using pot), and the DoD. Yes, that DoD. Weird, that.

/ asked the guy at the DoD when I should schedule my drug test, he said "oh, we don't do that here"
// I just shook my head
/// would pass anyway, just thought that was bizarre
 
2021-04-10 3:16:00 PM  

Nick Nostril: / asked the guy at the DoD when I should schedule my drug test, he said "oh, we don't do that here"
// I just shook my head
/// would pass anyway, just thought that was bizarre


Do Americans have any rights at all, or are their fundamental rights entirely at the discretion of their employers? (ie, not a right). In Canada we have a whole Charter section that protects us.
 
2021-04-10 3:24:38 PM  

austerity101: Doesn't unemployment make you certify every week that you're looking for work? You're not allowed to turn down relevant work and keep unemployment. Unless it's not like this in other states.


Ordinarily yes, but in the first round stimulus State unemployment programs were used specifically to keep people from looking for another job.  The $600 a week bump was near the exact amount that, when combined with state benefits, would keep the average American at their normal salary.  The point was to slow the spread of the disease.

Of course cost of living and prevailing wages vary wildly in the US, in some places people were making more on unemployment than they were at work and in other places people still weren't making enough to make ends meet.  Of course the cities were again hit hardest, forcing people to look for jobs in the places the disease was already hitting hardest due to population density and the way contagious diseases work.

State unemployment benefits were used because America has no other way to get money to people on an "as needed" basis.
 
2021-04-10 3:27:55 PM  
People who are out of work find other ways to make money. If you leave them out of work for long enough, that method becomes permanent and you have a drop in the work force. Countering that drop, and/or tempting them away from their current method requires an increase in pay. During the pandemic many people had a nice view of self employment and/or working from home. They found work/life balance and better mental health. Getting them to give that up (especially for shiat jobs) isn't going to be free.

Autoerotic Defenestration: the unabomber was right: "I had one guy quit who said I can make more on unemployment. I'll take the summer off," said Robert Stevenson, CEO of Eastman Machine Company, a producer of machines that cut specialty fabrics for industry. "I told him I can't guarantee you'll have your job back. He said, 'I'll take my chances.'"

What? You don't get unemployment if you quit. Only if you're laid off.

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When I went on unemployment a couple years back, the state called my previous employer and asked.
Also, since the manager spoke to the guy about it, the company probably noticed.

Nick Nostril: As for the drug testing people are talking about above:

I've worked now for almost 30 years (since college), for a total of 8 different companies. Only two haven't required a drug test: A 30 person marketing agency (where I know there were people using pot), and the DoD. Yes, that DoD. Weird, that.

/ asked the guy at the DoD when I should schedule my drug test, he said "oh, we don't do that here"
// I just shook my head
/// would pass anyway, just thought that was bizarre


I had to do a drug test for a very part time side gig at Safeway, making sure that the shelves were stocked correctly. That's a job that drugs would have helped with. The lower on the pole, the more likely the test. In my opinion, the only people who need to be drug tested are law makers, cops, and judges.
 
2021-04-10 3:28:42 PM  

Bennie Crabtree: Nick Nostril: / asked the guy at the DoD when I should schedule my drug test, he said "oh, we don't do that here"
// I just shook my head
/// would pass anyway, just thought that was bizarre

Do Americans have any rights at all, or are their fundamental rights entirely at the discretion of their employers? (ie, not a right). In Canada we have a whole Charter section that protects us.


Nah, the constitution only applies to letting crazy people having as many guns as they want. There's totally
nothing in there about individual rights as a human being.
 
2021-04-10 3:29:25 PM  

Bennie Crabtree: Nick Nostril: / asked the guy at the DoD when I should schedule my drug test, he said "oh, we don't do that here"
// I just shook my head
/// would pass anyway, just thought that was bizarre

Do Americans have any rights at all, or are their fundamental rights entirely at the discretion of their employers?


Pretty much. I mean, there are some protections, but half of the country is electing people who want to get rid of even those
 
2021-04-10 3:30:05 PM  
Oh, you need workers?

Offer. More. Money.
 
2021-04-10 3:42:48 PM  
Livable wage?

Stop printing dollars like crazy and thus causing artificial inflation.

Prices are NOT going up. The value of your currency is going down. Stop causing that.
 
2021-04-10 3:51:54 PM  
Yeah, well, I keep hearing that I'm under qualified, not a good culture fit, or offered a third of what I'm worth, so I'm doing my own thing now. Fortunately my spouse's salary keeps us afloat. Employers are too damn picky - they want a clone of someone they already have.
 
2021-04-10 3:55:12 PM  

Mensch: Livable wage?

Stop printing dollars like crazy and thus causing artificial inflation.

Prices are NOT going up. The value of your currency is going down. Stop causing that.


lol. Please don't give anyone financial advice.
 
2021-04-10 4:03:47 PM  
We've lost 20% of our staff this quarter. Our annual turnover rate before this pandemic was 60% and we have a 90% attrition rate. We've had positions that had to be closed after no one applied for 6 months. And not a thing was done about it because management just keeps saying people will be back and that everything is fine the way it is.

I can't imagine our company is the only one so delusional to think they're doing well when all the signs say otherwise. I honestly feel there is just some degree of institutional incompetence as the last of the Boomers are trying to limp along until retirement and then it won't be their problem anymore.
 
2021-04-10 4:09:56 PM  

Bennie Crabtree: Do Americans have any rights at all, or are their fundamental rights entirely at the discretion of their employers? (ie, not a right). In Canada we have a whole Charter section that protects us.


It helps to understand that people and laws in the USA see companies as people with the corresponding rights.      So, the need of the people to have jobs and privacy does not trump a company's right (i.e., an individual's right) to choose to drug test.
 
2021-04-10 4:18:04 PM  
Maybe aside from the garbage pay they also have garbage health and safety procedures in place during a pandemic. I doubt anyone would want to work for an ahole that whines about not being able to find people for garbage pay and probably worse, if any, insurance. Probably the type of place run by maskholes and most customers are too. Probably a lot safer to sit at home waiting to get their shot.
 
2021-04-10 4:21:03 PM  

GodComplex: We've lost 20% of our staff this quarter. Our annual turnover rate before this pandemic was 60% and we have a 90% attrition rate. We've had positions that had to be closed after no one applied for 6 months. And not a thing was done about it because management just keeps saying people will be back and that everything is fine the way it is.

I can't imagine our company is the only one so delusional to think they're doing well when all the signs say otherwise. I honestly feel there is just some degree of institutional incompetence as the last of the Boomers are trying to limp along until retirement and then it won't be their problem anymore.



We've had unprecedented turnover and it's put a tremendous load on the those of us who have stuck it out.    I'm pretty sure our CEO got the job expecting to cruise along for half a dozen years and retire.  Instead, they've proven to be completely incompetent at handling the challenges over the past year.   Lots of great ideas from their previous company (where they weren't the CEO), and no clue how to implement them.
 
2021-04-10 4:41:26 PM  

SMB2811: Not quite, well I mean sometimes, but there are basically three potential reasons

- They've picked who they want to hire but have to go through the song and dance per HR policy
- They don't intend to fill the position being advertised. By constantly looking they can go back to the people that currently work there that they just can't find someone so could you please keep doing the job of 2+ people until we can.
- (tech) They intend to off shore or fill it with a visa applicant


I'm guessing I'm farked because I don't have a degree on my resume so I don't make it past the first filter.
I didn't spend almost 17 years at my last job because I was terrible at it. But I guess that doesn't count for anything these days. It's super frustrating.
 
2021-04-10 4:43:38 PM  

Bennie Crabtree: Nick Nostril: / asked the guy at the DoD when I should schedule my drug test, he said "oh, we don't do that here"
// I just shook my head
/// would pass anyway, just thought that was bizarre

Do Americans have any rights at all, or are their fundamental rights entirely at the discretion of their employers? (ie, not a right). In Canada we have a whole Charter section that protects us.


No.  If we were really free* we'd smoke what we want in our off hours, have 6 week paid vacations and change jobs without losing healthcare.

*n/a in usa

/also, guns
 
2021-04-10 4:56:29 PM  
If people don't want to work at your 'job', it's because you aren't paying them enough money or providing them enough benefits, or most likely both.

Period. End of story.

Most people won't burn their bridges by saying 'Fahk you' as they head out the door, but that's why they left.
 
2021-04-10 5:15:49 PM  

the unabomber was right: "I had one guy quit who said I can make more on unemployment. I'll take the summer off," said Robert Stevenson, CEO of Eastman Machine Company, a producer of machines that cut specialty fabrics for industry. "I told him I can't guarantee you'll have your job back. He said, 'I'll take my chances.'"

What? You don't get unemployment if you quit. Only if you're laid off.


A business owner, lying about workers and claiming they're all lazy? Well I never.
 
2021-04-10 5:52:22 PM  

adamatari: the unabomber was right: "I had one guy quit who said I can make more on unemployment. I'll take the summer off," said Robert Stevenson, CEO of Eastman Machine Company, a producer of machines that cut specialty fabrics for industry. "I told him I can't guarantee you'll have your job back. He said, 'I'll take my chances.'"

What? You don't get unemployment if you quit. Only if you're laid off.

A business owner, lying about workers and claiming they're all lazy? Well I never.


It probably depends by state, and maybe my nephew is committing fraud, but he quit his job and told everyone his doctor told him his asthma would make it unsafe to work.

To clarify, my nephew doesn't really have asthma. One time, years ago, a doctor told him he might have a mild case or something. He doesn't have an inhaler or take medication for it. He had never had an asthma attack.

Anyway, maybe it was special for covid, I dunno. But he said because he quit for safety reasons, he qualifies for unemployment.

I can say, with 100% confidence, he did collect unemployment.
 
2021-04-10 7:05:07 PM  
"I had one guy quit who said I can make more on unemployment. I'll take the summer off," said Robert Stevenson, CEO of Eastman Machine Company, a producer of machines that cut specialty fabrics for industry. "I told him I can't guarantee you'll have your job back. He said, 'I'll take my chances.'"

-yea.. they need to up the ante here.

I'm so glad I got out of the rat race when I did.
 
2021-04-10 7:30:45 PM  

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Now if all those in favor of a living wage would realize uncontrolled illegal immigration essentially creates a slave wage underclass because they can't legally work in the country.

Pay decent wages. 
Make it easier for people to come her legally so we can actually control immigration.  (people looking for a better life, good. Drug and human traffickers, not so much)
Hold employers accountable for hiring only those legally allowed to work in the country.
 
2021-04-10 7:31:28 PM  
Might depend upon the ammunition he was using and where he shot himself, assuming it was a shot to his head.  FMJ might leave a nice hole, while JHP or semi-wadcutters will make a bit more of a mess.  Also, how much of the brain and what pieces do they need for a CTE evaluation?
 
2021-04-10 7:32:18 PM  
Hm, wrong tab.  Well, gotta stick by it.
 
2021-04-10 7:48:44 PM  
How am I supposed to live the American dream and I can't exploit people?
 
2021-04-10 8:19:13 PM  
TFA:  From amusement parks to gyms to airlines, employers across industries are holding massive job fairs and calling back furloughed workers.

Wouldn't want to work for an amusement park or an airline.  You're dealing with a steady stream of the general public there, with all their quirks and various other endearing qualities.  Easy to get cynical after about a week, unless you're one of those strong people who can compartmentalize, day after day.

A weekend gig at a gym wouldn't be terrible though.  I bet the scenery is a lot better, even if you have to listen to crappy music on the PA system.
 
2021-04-10 8:57:15 PM  

Mensch: Livable wage?

Stop printing dollars like crazy and thus causing artificial inflation.

Prices are NOT going up. The value of your currency is going down. Stop causing that.


Uh no. Just no. The cash in the physical economy isn't ever going to cause significant inflation again. This isn't Germany in 1932. All the money people get is being spent immediately and sopped up by the rich and big banks like french toast soaks up syrup.
 
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