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2021-04-10 1:56:10 AM  
That really bites.  "Just use CEC" is a lovely idea for people who have one, maybe two boxes connected to their TVs.  I have...more than that, and a wife who really doesn't cope well with change.  I'd pick up a spare remote for when the current one dies, but odds are decent that they'll kill the app that lets you program them before it gets to that point.
 
2021-04-10 2:09:24 AM  

kazrak: That really bites.  "Just use CEC" is a lovely idea for people who have one, maybe two boxes connected to their TVs.  I have...more than that, and a wife who really doesn't cope well with change.  I'd pick up a spare remote for when the current one dies, but odds are decent that they'll kill the app that lets you program them before it gets to that point.


The article says they will support them...so maybe 6 months, tops.
 
2021-04-10 4:57:24 AM  
We should buy Logitech a Coke.
 
2021-04-10 7:00:38 AM  
Damn it.  I've had Harmony remotes for years.  Good hand feel and excellent control of any device I want.
 
2021-04-10 7:23:38 AM  
Fark this.
 
2021-04-10 7:30:17 AM  
Well maybe they have something new coming out? Logitech has been in the biz for a long time now, I dont think they would leave people hanging.
 
2021-04-10 7:35:32 AM  
Good. The days of the 500 button remote should have ended years ago. Hopefully they will replace this line with something thay UX designers had a hand in.
 
2021-04-10 7:50:49 AM  
This was the best one they ever put out imho. The Harmony One.   Had a touchscreen along with a physical number pad that the newer fancy models don't include.

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2021-04-10 8:03:19 AM  

kazrak: That really bites.  "Just use CEC" is a lovely idea for people who have one, maybe two boxes connected to their TVs.  I have...more than that, and a wife who really doesn't cope well with change.  I'd pick up a spare remote for when the current one dies, but odds are decent that they'll kill the app that lets you program them before it gets to that point.


CEC also has the little downside of *requiring HDMI*.  I've got a few Yamaha R-S202s hooked up to TVs in the living room and bedroom.  I like them because they're good, clean, workhorse stereo receivers for the price.  But? RCA and BT input only.

I had one of the mid range Harmonys a while back.  Got a refurb when I was in college.  It was great.  I'll have to grab one while they're still in stock, do they make an IR/RF hybrid model?
 
2021-04-10 8:05:35 AM  

BunkyBrewman: This was the best one they ever put out imho. The Harmony One.   Had a touchscreen along with a physical number pad that the newer fancy models don't include.

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That's what I have in my living room and it's amazing.  I have one of the $50 newer models in another room and it does a good job, too.

This news really sucks.  Having a remote that I can just hit one button and everything turns on and to the right inputs and all the buttons adjust to the proper commands is so good.  It's also a godsend to my parents who have a whole surround setup, but would get very easily frustrated learning how to handle several remotes and changing inputs and settings often.  Hopefully the current models actually stay supported for a while, and hopefully another manufacturer works to fill the niche.  I can't believe that Logitech is basically the only game in town for this.
 
2021-04-10 8:05:36 AM  

BunkyBrewman: This was the best one they ever put out imho. The Harmony One.   Had a touchscreen along with a physical number pad that the newer fancy models don't include.

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I've got one of those, love it.  It got replaced by the newer model with the hub in the living room, but it's still in use in the sewing room.

Trick play buttons in just the right spot, and if you needed to control a specific device manually, very easy to switch to the device, do your thing and switch back.

Too many remotes have the play control buttons in the wrong place so it's uncomfortable to use.  Not the Harmony's.
 
2021-04-10 8:51:46 AM  

freakdiablo: CEC also has the little downside of *requiring HDMI*.  I've got a few Yamaha R-S202s hooked up to TVs in the living room and bedroom.  I like them because they're good, clean, workhorse stereo receivers for the price.  But? RCA and BT input only.


Even having HDMI isn't enough, because even then it can be sketchy at best.  Any devices more than a couple years old (and even some modern stuff) has really bad implementation of CEC.  Then there's stuff like the media center PC I use which relies entirely on programmable buttons on my remote.
 
2021-04-10 9:02:43 AM  
Crap. I have a love hate relationship with my Harmony Hub, particularly when it goes into it's stupid "unable to sync" nonsense, but selecting individual devices works fine. Logitech throws all the right stuff into the mix, then somehow manages to screw things up in the most frustrating ways by treating it all as an afterthought.

I've been using Logitech remotes for a LONG time now.

What are the alternatives these days? Today we need IR, RF, Bluetooth, LAN... is there a Pi setup that can handle things?
 
2021-04-10 9:05:55 AM  

BunkyBrewman: This was the best one they ever put out imho. The Harmony One.   Had a touchscreen along with a physical number pad that the newer fancy models don't include.

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Ahem....

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This was legendary....

Now I have this:
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because the 880 isn't up to many of the devices I have now.
 
2021-04-10 9:13:31 AM  
Maybe someone will buy them. the software needs some work but still one of the best remotes I have ever owned.
 
2021-04-10 9:29:09 AM  
I don't know how I'm going to OK-Google my cheap tv and ancient receiver now... 🥺
 
2021-04-10 9:29:37 AM  
Hopefully my 950 will last awhile.

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2021-04-10 10:10:09 AM  

Mcavity: Maybe someone will buy them. the software needs some work but still one of the best remotes I have ever owned.


Apple could buy them with the spare change under the sofa cushions.
They're really good at remote design.

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2021-04-10 10:18:10 AM  
I've been able to get LG's Magic Remote to work with all sorts of old IR stuff.  It's no Harmony but it's decent.
 
2021-04-10 10:20:54 AM  

sirrerun: Mcavity: Maybe someone will buy them. the software needs some work but still one of the best remotes I have ever owned.

Apple could buy them with the spare change under the sofa cushions.
They're really good at remote design.

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That looks like a nightmare to me.
 
2021-04-10 10:43:48 AM  
For those looking for a replacement.
https://www.urc-automation.com/produc​t​-category/complete-control/
Been using the MX-450 for years.
Only downside for me is it eats batteries.
Finally wised up and bought some AA rechargeable batteries.
 
2021-04-10 11:51:34 AM  
I got a 650 a few years ago. Hope it lasts a while, now. I lost the remote for my old Onkyo receiver, so, again, hope it lasts for a while once Logitech shuts down their servers.
 
2021-04-10 12:02:27 PM  
People still watch TV?
 
2021-04-10 12:57:59 PM  

NeoCortex42: BunkyBrewman: This was the best one they ever put out imho. The Harmony One.   Had a touchscreen along with a physical number pad that the newer fancy models don't include.

[Fark user image 148x500]

That's what I have in my living room and it's amazing.  I have one of the $50 newer models in another room and it does a good job, too.

This news really sucks.  Having a remote that I can just hit one button and everything turns on and to the right inputs and all the buttons adjust to the proper commands is so good.  It's also a godsend to my parents who have a whole surround setup, but would get very easily frustrated learning how to handle several remotes and changing inputs and settings often.  Hopefully the current models actually stay supported for a while, and hopefully another manufacturer works to fill the niche.  I can't believe that Logitech is basically the only game in town for this.


?

There are tons of brands doing this.

Amazon has a IR blaster.

Broadlink has many blasters including a IR/RF.
 
2021-04-10 1:00:57 PM  
I know the Harmonies are much more polished. But there are other options.

I'm surprised they're dumping it.
 
2021-04-10 1:08:14 PM  

theFword: People still watch TV?


Yes. Why else would you need a remote?

Well let's see, some of us have collections of purchased movies and broadcast shows stored on a NAS, connected to a server that feeds an AVR, TV and a 7.1 speaker system; TV and soundbar in the bedroom; same thing in the den.

All can be controlled with a single remote.

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2021-04-10 1:17:35 PM  

Closed_Minded_Bastage: theFword: People still watch TV?

Yes. Why else would you need a remote?

Well let's see, some of us have collections of purchased movies and broadcast shows stored on a NAS, connected to a server that feeds an AVR, TV and a 7.1 speaker system; TV and soundbar in the bedroom; same thing in the den.

All can be controlled with a single remote.

[Fark user image 850x637]


...or for those of us who try to declutter our lives:
c1.neweggimages.comView Full Size

..or at least know about Sonarr and CouchPotato
 
2021-04-10 1:29:22 PM  

LesserEvil: Closed_Minded_Bastage: theFword: People still watch TV?

Yes. Why else would you need a remote?

Well let's see, some of us have collections of purchased movies and broadcast shows stored on a NAS, connected to a server that feeds an AVR, TV and a 7.1 speaker system; TV and soundbar in the bedroom; same thing in the den.

All can be controlled with a single remote.

[Fark user image 850x637]

...or for those of us who try to declutter our lives:
[c1.neweggimages.com image 640x480]
..or at least know about Sonarr and CouchPotato


Synology DS1813+ w/8 x 10Tb Seagates IW here. If I win Powerball, a DS2419+ is in the future.

The only pirate movies I have, star Johnny Depp.
 
2021-04-10 1:53:31 PM  

freakdiablo: kazrak: That really bites.  "Just use CEC" is a lovely idea for people who have one, maybe two boxes connected to their TVs.  I have...more than that, and a wife who really doesn't cope well with change.  I'd pick up a spare remote for when the current one dies, but odds are decent that they'll kill the app that lets you program them before it gets to that point.

CEC also has the little downside of *requiring HDMI*.  I've got a few Yamaha R-S202s hooked up to TVs in the living room and bedroom.  I like them because they're good, clean, workhorse stereo receivers for the price.  But? RCA and BT input only.

I had one of the mid range Harmonys a while back.  Got a refurb when I was in college.  It was great.  I'll have to grab one while they're still in stock, do they make an IR/RF hybrid model?


The hub-based ones use the hub as an IR blaster (plus come with a couple more wired IR blasters) as well as speaking Bluetooth.  I've got mine working with an NVidia Shield, a Fire TV, a PS3, and a PS4 via bT.  (Note that it can't turn on the PS4 because Sony's a special snowflake.)

It's really as close to JFW as I've ever seen for remotes.  Wife pushes one button and the TV turns on and switches to the right input, the receiver turns on and switches to the right input, whatever box she wants to use (probably the Shield) wakes up, and then the volume buttons control the receiver while the arrows and transport buttons control the Shield.
 
2021-04-10 1:55:34 PM  

Closed_Minded_Bastage: LesserEvil: Closed_Minded_Bastage: theFword: People still watch TV?

Yes. Why else would you need a remote?

Well let's see, some of us have collections of purchased movies and broadcast shows stored on a NAS, connected to a server that feeds an AVR, TV and a 7.1 speaker system; TV and soundbar in the bedroom; same thing in the den.

All can be controlled with a single remote.

[Fark user image 850x637]

...or for those of us who try to declutter our lives:
[c1.neweggimages.com image 640x480]
..or at least know about Sonarr and CouchPotato

Synology DS1813+ w/8 x 10Tb Seagates IW here. If I win Powerball, a DS2419+ is in the future.

The only pirate movies I have, star Johnny Depp.


Mine's on a QNAP TS-651 Pro running Plex, but same idea.  All my DVDs and Blu-Rays are ripped, although I haven't transcoded all of them yet.  (Kodi on the NVidia Shield can run the raw images, even with menus on the DVDs.)
 
2021-04-10 1:59:30 PM  

mr_a: The article says they will support them...so maybe 6 months, tops.


They've been good about supporting their Squeezebox music streaming devices discontinued years ago.
 
2021-04-10 2:14:55 PM  

Drearyx: NeoCortex42: BunkyBrewman: This was the best one they ever put out imho. The Harmony One.   Had a touchscreen along with a physical number pad that the newer fancy models don't include.

[Fark user image 148x500]

That's what I have in my living room and it's amazing.  I have one of the $50 newer models in another room and it does a good job, too.

This news really sucks.  Having a remote that I can just hit one button and everything turns on and to the right inputs and all the buttons adjust to the proper commands is so good.  It's also a godsend to my parents who have a whole surround setup, but would get very easily frustrated learning how to handle several remotes and changing inputs and settings often.  Hopefully the current models actually stay supported for a while, and hopefully another manufacturer works to fill the niche.  I can't believe that Logitech is basically the only game in town for this.

?

There are tons of brands doing this.

Amazon has a IR blaster.

Broadlink has many blasters including a IR/RF.


It's not just that it can replicate the button presses.  It's that it also has programmable activities that make it one-button presses to switch from from activity to another (including changing inputs, powering things on/off, and changing what all the assigned buttons control).  That's the part that I haven't seen good alternatives for.  Whenever I've looked into top products in the category, every single review site basically just has several Harmony options and maybe one other brand that has notable shortcomings.

And no, I don't want Alexa, Google, or any other full-on digital assistant or Smart Home technology.  I just want a robust remote that does what I want it to do and doesn't rely primarily on a touchscreen interface.
 
2021-04-10 2:50:32 PM  
What is a tv remote?
/ducks
 
2021-04-10 3:01:25 PM  

AllCatsAreBeautiful: What is a tv remote?
/ducks


The thing that was invented so we don't have to ask the kids to change the channel anymore.
 
2021-04-10 4:14:02 PM  

Chimpy McSquirrel: AllCatsAreBeautiful: What is a tv remote?
/ducks

The thing that was invented so we don't have to ask the kids to change the channel anymore.


I thought it was the dirtiest thing in the hotel room.

/Just assume the previous guests inserted the remote in every orifice they could.
//And even some they couldn't.
///Repeatedly.
 
2021-04-10 4:14:58 PM  

NeoCortex42: Drearyx: NeoCortex42: BunkyBrewman: This was the best one they ever put out imho. The Harmony One.   Had a touchscreen along with a physical number pad that the newer fancy models don't include.

[Fark user image 148x500]

That's what I have in my living room and it's amazing.  I have one of the $50 newer models in another room and it does a good job, too.

This news really sucks.  Having a remote that I can just hit one button and everything turns on and to the right inputs and all the buttons adjust to the proper commands is so good.  It's also a godsend to my parents who have a whole surround setup, but would get very easily frustrated learning how to handle several remotes and changing inputs and settings often.  Hopefully the current models actually stay supported for a while, and hopefully another manufacturer works to fill the niche.  I can't believe that Logitech is basically the only game in town for this.

?

There are tons of brands doing this.

Amazon has a IR blaster.

Broadlink has many blasters including a IR/RF.

It's not just that it can replicate the button presses.  It's that it also has programmable activities that make it one-button presses to switch from from activity to another (including changing inputs, powering things on/off, and changing what all the assigned buttons control).  That's the part that I haven't seen good alternatives for.  Whenever I've looked into top products in the category, every single review site basically just has several Harmony options and maybe one other brand that has notable shortcomings.

And no, I don't want Alexa, Google, or any other full-on digital assistant or Smart Home technology.  I just want a robust remote that does what I want it to do and doesn't rely primarily on a touchscreen interface.


Broadlink can do all of that.

Not sure about amazon's, I remember theirs being limited.
 
2021-04-10 4:18:37 PM  
I may be wrong. I use Broadlink through Alexa for a 100 yo. It has the functionality mentioned.

Just using the broadlink app you may be correct.
 
2021-04-10 4:59:54 PM  

Drearyx: I may be wrong. I use Broadlink through Alexa for a 100 yo. It has the functionality mentioned.

Just using the broadlink app you may be correct.


Yeah, that's the tough part.  There are very expensive ways to do what Harmony does, and there are cheaper ways that work through Alexa or some other system, but Harmony hit it really solidly where I can get a $50 solution with an easy enough to setup computer interface, and I'm good to go.
 
2021-04-10 6:46:16 PM  

Drearyx: I may be wrong. I use Broadlink through Alexa for a 100 yo. It has the functionality mentioned.

Just using the broadlink app you may be correct.


Broadlink, so far as I can tell, doesn't have an actual physical remote, just the IR/RF hub.

Amusingly, looking into them I found that I bought one of their older mini-hubs in an attempt to control a fan that had an IR remote, and ended up giving up on it because it would only work through their custom remote app, so if I wanted to connect it to IFTTT I needed to have a phone always on to link them.  I was also unimpressed with the app, although I'll admit that was several years ago and it looks like they've improved.  Their website doesn't fill me with confidence, though.
 
2021-04-10 9:18:08 PM  
This is awful. There is literally no other good universal remote.
 
2021-04-10 10:26:25 PM  

NeoCortex42: It's also a godsend to my parents who have a whole surround setup, but would get very easily frustrated learning how to handle several remotes and changing inputs and settings often.


You see, I got a Harmony remote for my tech-stupid parents (Harmony 650) to operate a TV/Sound system/Cable Box/Roku. It was too confusing for them...to many buttons on the remote, plus the screen with more buttons and options which turned out not to be that useful. Well, a few months later, I finally convinced them to cut the cord and rely solely on their Roku to access TV content, so that eliminated the  need for the 'cable' portion of the remote. I bought them this instead and they've been perfectly happy! (Won't work with their roku streaming sticks on their secondary tv's though as it is IR only).
pisces.bbystatic.com
 
2021-04-10 10:35:05 PM  

MBZ321: NeoCortex42: It's also a godsend to my parents who have a whole surround setup, but would get very easily frustrated learning how to handle several remotes and changing inputs and settings often.

You see, I got a Harmony remote for my tech-stupid parents (Harmony 650) to operate a TV/Sound system/Cable Box/Roku. It was too confusing for them...to many buttons on the remote, plus the screen with more buttons and options which turned out not to be that useful. Well, a few months later, I finally convinced them to cut the cord and rely solely on their Roku to access TV content, so that eliminated the  need for the 'cable' portion of the remote. I bought them this instead and they've been perfectly happy! (Won't work with their roku streaming sticks on their secondary tv's though as it is IR only).
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I guess it just depends on your needs. My folks have more than one device hooked up to a receiver. So that remote wouldn't cut it. Sure, the Harmony remote can be a bit complicated sometimes, but the Help button solves the occasional issue, and all else fails, just power everything off and start up again. It's worked well for them and they are very much not tech savvy.
 
2021-04-11 12:05:19 AM  

kazrak: Drearyx: I may be wrong. I use Broadlink through Alexa for a 100 yo. It has the functionality mentioned.

Just using the broadlink app you may be correct.

Broadlink, so far as I can tell, doesn't have an actual physical remote, just the IR/RF hub.

Amusingly, looking into them I found that I bought one of their older mini-hubs in an attempt to control a fan that had an IR remote, and ended up giving up on it because it would only work through their custom remote app, so if I wanted to connect it to IFTTT I needed to have a phone always on to link them.  I was also unimpressed with the app, although I'll admit that was several years ago and it looks like they've improved.  Their website doesn't fill me with confidence, though.


This is also correct. You're not going to find a blaster AND remote anymore. Unless using a phone is OK.
 
2021-04-11 12:14:12 AM  
Yeah. It's Alexa running the multiple commands.

I'm pretty anti smart home but I got a Broadlink and Alexa for my Grandmother. Switching between her cable and all the streaming firetv stuff I threw on there was too much todo with a remote at her age.

Alexa, turn on the TV.
Turns on the TV, changes to input x, turns on DTV box, turns on speakers

Go to fire tv
Changes input, turns off DTV box, fire tv home screen


Etc, etc.
 
2021-04-11 12:42:39 AM  

LesserEvil: BunkyBrewman: This was the best one they ever put out imho. The Harmony One.   Had a touchscreen along with a physical number pad that the newer fancy models don't include.

[Fark user image 148x500]

Ahem....

[images.highspeedbackbone.net image 300x300]
This was legendary....

Now I have this:
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because the 880 isn't up to many of the devices I have now.


I had one of the legendary, and I'd pay full retail to get another one. Best. Remote. EVAR.
I may break out the solder gun to try to repair its broken USB port, actually. Meantime, a $35 harmony of some kind is doing great by us. Hope Mom's keeps on working.
 
2021-04-11 2:57:47 AM  
Logitech Harmony 650 here. What a pile of junk.  All the commonly used buttons are warn away. The motion sensor that turns the display on when you pick it up stopped working after 12 months. Uses batteries faster that my wife. The Harmony software is a piece of shiat as well. But at least the remote better than all the Logitech mice I've had to throw away.
 
2021-04-11 8:06:06 AM  

Bob Down: Logitech Harmony 650 here. What a pile of junk.  All the commonly used buttons are warn away. The motion sensor that turns the display on when you pick it up stopped working after 12 months. Uses batteries faster that my wife. The Harmony software is a piece of shiat as well. But at least the remote better than all the Logitech mice I've had to throw away.


I actually agree. I had a 650 for years and it was a POS. Then I got a different model (looks like the predecessor to Harmony Companion?) and it's been perfect. No silly LCD, limited number of buttons, and RF to the hub so it always works. Runs for over a year on a coin cell.
 
2021-04-11 12:31:59 PM  

Bob Down: Logitech Harmony 650 here. What a pile of junk.  All the commonly used buttons are warn away. The motion sensor that turns the display on when you pick it up stopped working after 12 months. Uses batteries faster that my wife. The Harmony software is a piece of shiat as well. But at least the remote better than all the Logitech mice I've had to throw away.


The difference between the old standalone remotes and the new hub-based ones is night and day.  (I had a 550 that lasted 5 years or so.)  I replaced my previous hub-based one (an Ultimate, bought refurbished from Woot) after like 5 years, nominally because the battery was going, but that was mostly a good excuse to move up to the newer one (an Elite) with better button placement and home automation buttons.  The new configuration app is pretty decent, and using the hub to sync makes updates pretty transparent.  (The older configuration software that needed Silverlight was, indeed, a piece of shiat.)
 
2021-04-11 2:51:10 PM  

Bob Down: Logitech Harmony 650 here. What a pile of junk.  All the commonly used buttons are warn away. The motion sensor that turns the display on when you pick it up stopped working after 12 months. Uses batteries faster that my wife. The Harmony software is a piece of shiat as well. But at least the remote better than all the Logitech mice I've had to throw away.


I find logitech an interesting company. My (refurb, $35) 665 works great; the earlier one (with rechargeables) finally gave up the ghost. But some of the models just apparently are wretched. My squeezeboxes won't die, but one of the models I have, that model never worked right. My main mouse has worked fine for years, through countless cleanings, but I had one at work give up really quick. I think sometimes the quality of their budget line stuff crosses over into their mainline stuff.

My 30 year old 3-button serial mouse definitely won't die, ever, though.I've given it every opportunity to do so. Works great!
 
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