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2021-04-08 10:02:16 AM  
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2021-04-08 10:26:22 AM  
This guy sounds qualified.
 
2021-04-08 10:29:59 AM  
this seems like a lot of questioning just to establish that this Irish guy's a doctor
 
2021-04-08 10:30:50 AM  
He's the DeBakey of the lungs.
 
2021-04-08 10:32:22 AM  
Are you the F*CKIN' MACK DADDY OF LUNGS, BREATHING, AND RESEARCH?


Yes, I have been referred to as....that....title.
 
2021-04-08 10:33:56 AM  
Did the Mayo Clinic call you the greatest doctor in human history?


Yes....twice.
 
2021-04-08 10:35:49 AM  
"are you getting paid to be here?"

"nah, I do this shiat for kicks"
 
2021-04-08 10:40:31 AM  
it does sort of amuse me that we need a 6th grade video to explain to the jury how lungs work
 
2021-04-08 10:42:25 AM  

The Bestest: it does sort of amuse me that we need a 6th grade video to explain to the jury how lungs work


I like what he's doing.

The world's best f*cking doctor about breathing and lungs says that there is no doubt that his breathing was restricted by MULTIPLE forces that would result in low oxygen and death.
 
2021-04-08 10:47:17 AM  

The Bestest: "are you getting paid to be here?"

"nah, I do this shiat for kicks"


I'm a doc, and yeah, you never work for free.

I'll sometimes get called if a patient of mine is trying for disability or something, and my response is always the same. "Sure, be glad to. Here are the only dates and times I am available, and here is my fee schedule." My fee schedule changes based on what's being discussed, as they require different amounts of preparation.
 
2021-04-08 10:51:34 AM  
If this motherfarker walks, the country will burn. And that's *exactly* what the GOP want. They think they can ride civil unrest back to the White House, like they did in 1968.
 
2021-04-08 10:56:21 AM  
Objection?

OVERRULED!


Man, I miss Night Court.
 
2021-04-08 11:35:07 AM  
We're gonna get told yet again for the 863rd time in extremely drawn out and elaborate ways that it was entirely George's fault.

Right?
 
2021-04-08 11:41:36 AM  

Kittypie070: We're gonna get told yet again for the 863rd time in extremely drawn out and elaborate ways that it was entirely George's fault.

Right?


Everything the prosecution has presented has been pretty damning, and the defense seems to boil entirely down to "he wuz resisting and on teh drugs!".

What you or I think doesn't matter, though.. it's all up to those jurors.
 
2021-04-08 11:46:03 AM  

Sword and Shield: The Bestest: "are you getting paid to be here?"

"nah, I do this shiat for kicks"

I'm a doc, and yeah, you never work for free.

I'll sometimes get called if a patient of mine is trying for disability or something, and my response is always the same. "Sure, be glad to. Here are the only dates and times I am available, and here is my fee schedule." My fee schedule changes based on what's being discussed, as they require different amounts of preparation.


Sure sounds like the world is a worse place for your existence.
 
2021-04-08 11:47:11 AM  

FlashHarry: If this motherfarker walks, the country will burn. And that's *exactly* what the GOP want. They think they can ride civil unrest back to the White House, like they did in 1968.


So if the jury has reasonable doubt, the country will burn because public sentiment long ago decided a trial didn't matter? Isn't that the exact purpose of the justice system? To avoid public sentiment convicting someone when there is reasonable doubt?
 
2021-04-08 12:01:42 PM  

pschwarz0717: So if the jury has reasonable doubt, the country will burn because public sentiment long ago decided a trial didn't matter? Isn't that the exact purpose of the justice system? To avoid public sentiment convicting someone when there is reasonable doubt?


There is no reasonable doubt, Chucklef*ck.

There's video of the incident, there's dozens of witnesses, and as I said upthread, the WORLD'S LEADING PHYSICIAN IN RESPIRATORY MEDICINE, WITH 46 YEARS OF EXPERIENCE, spelled out, in incredible detail that George Floyd died of low oxygen as a direct result of the actions of Chauvin and other officers.


There. Is. No. Reasonable. Doubt.
 
2021-04-08 12:02:29 PM  

The Bestest: "are you getting paid to be here?"

"nah, I do this shiat for kicks"


"Are you?"
 
2021-04-08 12:04:28 PM  

Rev.K: pschwarz0717: So if the jury has reasonable doubt, the country will burn because public sentiment long ago decided a trial didn't matter? Isn't that the exact purpose of the justice system? To avoid public sentiment convicting someone when there is reasonable doubt?

There is no reasonable doubt, Chucklef*ck.

There's video of the incident, there's dozens of witnesses, and as I said upthread, the WORLD'S LEADING PHYSICIAN IN RESPIRATORY MEDICINE, WITH 46 YEARS OF EXPERIENCE, spelled out, in incredible detail that George Floyd died of low oxygen as a direct result of the actions of Chauvin and other officers.


There. Is. No. Reasonable. Doubt.


Did I articulate my view of the matter? I simply said, if a jury finds reasonable doubt, which is an possibility, cities should burn again? How is this not considered a terroristic threat? Like the justice system or not, you can't threaten to burn things down if you're side loses. You do understand that right? That threatening violence if things don't go your way is wrong?
 
2021-04-08 12:09:10 PM  

pschwarz0717: Did I articulate my view of the matter? I simply said, if a jury finds reasonable doubt, which is an possibility, cities should burn again? How is this not considered a terroristic threat? Like the justice system or not, you can't threaten to burn things down if you're side loses. You do understand that right? That threatening violence if things don't go your way is wrong?


Sorry. Let's start again.

No, you did not articulate your view. I assumed that. My bad.

I agree, cities should not burn because the judicial process is working like it should.

HOWEVER,

This case is so egregious and so obvious that the guilty verdict should not be in the slightest bit of doubt if the judicial system is performing as it should.

And should that happen, I think cities will burn, which would be wrong, but understandable.


I apologize for calling you names. That was not warranted. My bad.
 
2021-04-08 12:10:25 PM  

LL316: Sword and Shield: The Bestest: "are you getting paid to be here?"

"nah, I do this shiat for kicks"

I'm a doc, and yeah, you never work for free.

I'll sometimes get called if a patient of mine is trying for disability or something, and my response is always the same. "Sure, be glad to. Here are the only dates and times I am available, and here is my fee schedule." My fee schedule changes based on what's being discussed, as they require different amounts of preparation.

Sure sounds like the world is a worse place for your existence.


So you work for free? I can assure you that there isn't a doc in the world who's going to do a deposition for free.
 
2021-04-08 12:15:16 PM  

Sasquach: The Bestest: "are you getting paid to be here?"

"nah, I do this shiat for kicks"

"Are you?"


"Sure, they're giving me a pair of the new Nikes."
 
2021-04-08 12:20:43 PM  

The Bestest: "are you getting paid to be here?"

"nah, I do this shiat for kicks"


lol
Actually you're required to report if you're an expert witness and being paid.
 
2021-04-08 12:39:24 PM  

thorpe: The Bestest: "are you getting paid to be here?"

"nah, I do this shiat for kicks"

lol
Actually you're required to report if you're an expert witness and being paid.


And I can't think of an expert witness I've ever seen (and I've served as one more than a dozen times since 2016) who will ever take the stand without significant prep. Last one I did was a medical malpractice case (an outside doc prescribed a medication closely related to one a patient is allergic to and the patient landed in the hospital), and I needed a solid 40 hours of prep between reading the chart, a literature review, basically everything under the sun.

Why so much for something so cut and dried? Because if there is one article in the literature saying it's reasonable to give medication X when the patient has a documented allergy, that opens a line of questioning as to if it was reasonable in this situation. You never walk into a deposition without knowing all the angles. So when I walked in, I had a binder with 45 journal articles and citations showing that it was contraindicated to prescribe drug X with a known allergy to drug Y. There was one article stating it was possible to go that route, but you had to do a bunch of things to ensure patient safety that weren't done.

It's the same here. Is there any situation where the hold Chauvin et al. used was reasonable? Is there any situation where the hold did not contribute to his death?
 
2021-04-08 1:01:38 PM  

pschwarz0717: So if the jury has reasonable doubt


I'm sorry; you lost me there.
 
2021-04-08 1:03:04 PM  

Rev.K: cities should not burn because the judicial process is working like it should.


This^^^

Rev.K: should that happen, I think cities will burn, which would be wrong, but understandable.


And this^^^
 
2021-04-08 1:12:34 PM  
That doc just convicted Chauvin.
 
2021-04-08 1:14:37 PM  

Rev.K: pschwarz0717: Did I articulate my view of the matter? I simply said, if a jury finds reasonable doubt, which is an possibility, cities should burn again? How is this not considered a terroristic threat? Like the justice system or not, you can't threaten to burn things down if you're side loses. You do understand that right? That threatening violence if things don't go your way is wrong?

Sorry. Let's start again.

No, you did not articulate your view. I assumed that. My bad.

I agree, cities should not burn because the judicial process is working like it should.

HOWEVER,

This case is so egregious and so obvious that the guilty verdict should not be in the slightest bit of doubt if the judicial system is performing as it should.

And should that happen, I think cities will burn, which would be wrong, but understandable.


I apologize for calling you names. That was not warranted. My bad.


No worries. I was more trying to point out the hypocrisy of threatening terrorism to get your way in the justice system. Not trying to start shiat. More pointing out that sometimes the judicial system doesn't go your way. And holding the court at the mercy of riots and burning down of buildings won't lead to the justice system you want. It will lead to mob rule. Something I don't think anyone wants.
 
2021-04-08 1:14:55 PM  

Rev.K: pschwarz0717: So if the jury has reasonable doubt, the country will burn because public sentiment long ago decided a trial didn't matter? Isn't that the exact purpose of the justice system? To avoid public sentiment convicting someone when there is reasonable doubt?

There is no reasonable doubt, Chucklef*ck.

There's video of the incident, there's dozens of witnesses, and as I said upthread, the WORLD'S LEADING PHYSICIAN IN RESPIRATORY MEDICINE, WITH 46 YEARS OF EXPERIENCE, spelled out, in incredible detail that George Floyd died of low oxygen as a direct result of the actions of Chauvin and other officers.


There. Is. No. Reasonable. Doubt.


Dr. Martin Tobin - Cop Killer.
 
2021-04-08 1:23:19 PM  

thehobbes: That doc just convicted Chauvin.


Feels like anything more would just be puff, you know?

"In this second, you can see he maintains some level of consciousness. And, in this next second, you can see the life leave his body."
 
2021-04-08 1:26:37 PM  

Rev.K: pschwarz0717: So if the jury has reasonable doubt, the country will burn because public sentiment long ago decided a trial didn't matter? Isn't that the exact purpose of the justice system? To avoid public sentiment convicting someone when there is reasonable doubt?

There is no reasonable doubt, Chucklef*ck.

There's video of the incident, there's dozens of witnesses, and as I said upthread, the WORLD'S LEADING PHYSICIAN IN RESPIRATORY MEDICINE, WITH 46 YEARS OF EXPERIENCE, spelled out, in incredible detail that George Floyd died of low oxygen as a direct result of the actions of Chauvin and other officers.


There. Is. No. Reasonable. Doubt.


Just takes one blue lives matter assclown on the jury, and all the facts mean jack shiat.

They'll be proud to ignore them.
 
2021-04-08 1:27:12 PM  

phenn: thehobbes: That doc just convicted Chauvin.

Feels like anything more would just be puff, you know?

"In this second, you can see he maintains some level of consciousness. And, in this next second, you can see the life leave his body."


Gotta say, that shook me. I've seen the videos countless times and until now couldn't have picked out the exact moment he died. I've seen people die before in the emergency room, but this one hurt me.
 
2021-04-08 1:36:29 PM  

phenn: thehobbes: That doc just convicted Chauvin.

Feels like anything more would just be puff, you know?

"In this second, you can see he maintains some level of consciousness. And, in this next second, you can see the life leave his body."


2 things got me:
"What you're seeing is the orientation of Officer Chauvin, his body build is quite erect here, but what you're seeing is that his toe is not touching the ground. This means that all his body weight is being directed down at Mr. Floyd's neck..."

And: Blackwell is showing the court and asking Tobin to narrate a slowed-down video which shows the change in George Floyd's face as "you see in his eyes that he is conscious, and then you see that he isn't. That's the moment you see the life goes out of his body"
 
2021-04-08 2:04:31 PM  

Lipo: phenn: thehobbes: That doc just convicted Chauvin.

Feels like anything more would just be puff, you know?

"In this second, you can see he maintains some level of consciousness. And, in this next second, you can see the life leave his body."

Gotta say, that shook me. I've seen the videos countless times and until now couldn't have picked out the exact moment he died. I've seen people die before in the emergency room, but this one hurt me.


Put some ice water in my veins after Dr. Tobin explained that Chauvin remained at force with a dead man for over 3 additional minutes.
 
2021-04-08 2:08:41 PM  
This guy seems too good to be true, and too well practiced in his testimony, he is answering questions at times before they were asked.

The not taking payment, did he do this all for fun and does he have a secondary motivation?

Amazing on the science, just seems almost too perfect
 
2021-04-08 2:31:02 PM  

born_yesterday: Just takes one blue lives matter assclown on the jury, and all the facts mean jack shiat.

They'll be proud to ignore them.


Bullshiat!

"Chauvin's knee remained on George Floyd's neck for 2 minutes & 44 seconds after EMTs found there was no pulse. #DerekChauvinTrial"

There's your farking intent. No way this douche skates.
 
2021-04-08 2:31:57 PM  

WillofJ2: This guy seems too good to be true, and too well practiced in his testimony, he is answering questions at times before they were asked.

The not taking payment, did he do this all for fun and does he have a secondary motivation?

Amazing on the science, just seems almost too perfect


Thanks for posting your political views test score on your profile. That's really cute.
 
2021-04-08 2:51:05 PM  
This defense lawyer sucks.
 
2021-04-08 2:54:51 PM  

Eddie Hazel's E string: WillofJ2: This guy seems too good to be true, and too well practiced in his testimony, he is answering questions at times before they were asked.

The not taking payment, did he do this all for fun and does he have a secondary motivation?

Amazing on the science, just seems almost too perfect

Thanks for posting your political views test score on your profile. That's really cute.


Forgot all about that
 
2021-04-08 2:58:36 PM  

Sword and Shield: LL316: Sword and Shield: The Bestest: "are you getting paid to be here?"

"nah, I do this shiat for kicks"

I'm a doc, and yeah, you never work for free.

I'll sometimes get called if a patient of mine is trying for disability or something, and my response is always the same. "Sure, be glad to. Here are the only dates and times I am available, and here is my fee schedule." My fee schedule changes based on what's being discussed, as they require different amounts of preparation.

Sure sounds like the world is a worse place for your existence.

So you work for free? I can assure you that there isn't a doc in the world who's going to do a deposition for free.


Does that mean  he perjured himself about taking pay, or he's doing this on principle?
 
2021-04-08 3:02:04 PM  
Wow. His lawyer sucks. Didn't know amphetamines can be prescribed for ADHD and asked the question.
 
2021-04-08 3:09:34 PM  

thehobbes: Sword and Shield: LL316: Sword and Shield: The Bestest: "are you getting paid to be here?"

"nah, I do this shiat for kicks"

I'm a doc, and yeah, you never work for free.

I'll sometimes get called if a patient of mine is trying for disability or something, and my response is always the same. "Sure, be glad to. Here are the only dates and times I am available, and here is my fee schedule." My fee schedule changes based on what's being discussed, as they require different amounts of preparation.

Sure sounds like the world is a worse place for your existence.

So you work for free? I can assure you that there isn't a doc in the world who's going to do a deposition for free.

Does that mean  he perjured himself about taking pay, or he's doing this on principle?


He said his normally hourly rate is over 500 an hour but he waived it for this case
 
2021-04-08 3:25:10 PM  
That cross was brutal. Eric Nelson is a proctologist (reaching for shiat), but not much of an attorney. Mind you, this is probably an next to impossible case to defend.
 
2021-04-08 3:31:19 PM  
In the midst of all this distress and unpleasantness, can we all agree that today was the most quotable day? "I think I can really say it's been a long week now." "I'm so taken with your accent." "When I go to church, I sit on a hard bench; I don't get bruises on my buttocks."
 
2021-04-08 3:34:35 PM  

Lipo: phenn: thehobbes: That doc just convicted Chauvin.

Feels like anything more would just be puff, you know?

"In this second, you can see he maintains some level of consciousness. And, in this next second, you can see the life leave his body."

Gotta say, that shook me. I've seen the videos countless times and until now couldn't have picked out the exact moment he died. I've seen people die before in the emergency room, but this one hurt me.


The malice makes the difference.

I've seen a lot of people die. Family members from extended illness or old age, patients from illness, old age, violence, you name it.

Malice matters.
 
2021-04-08 3:36:52 PM  

thehobbes: Does that mean  he perjured himself about taking pay, or he's doing this on principle?


Principle.

Waiving a deposition fee is super-rare, but it does happen. I have one that I am planning to waive it for later this year, since the patient is fighting with the VA for disability and doesn't have two nickels to rub together.
 
2021-04-08 3:57:21 PM  
Lots of people with high levels of fentanyl driving apparently
 
2021-04-08 3:59:24 PM  
Anyone watching that can break this down a little better the fentanyl norfentanyl ratios and why they matter?
 
2021-04-08 4:03:31 PM  

WillofJ2: Anyone watching that can break this down a little better the fentanyl norfentanyl ratios and why they matter?


This doc is illustrating that George Floyd's blood levels were lower than the typical DUI stop - meaning the OD story isn't going to hold water. The exact data points aren't something I can speak to, but that's where this is heading.
 
2021-04-08 4:07:58 PM  

phenn: WillofJ2: Anyone watching that can break this down a little better the fentanyl norfentanyl ratios and why they matter?

This doc is illustrating that George Floyd's blood levels were lower than the typical DUI stop - meaning the OD story isn't going to hold water. The exact data points aren't something I can speak to, but that's where this is heading.


It's a bullshiat defense anyway.

I've seen people OD. You know what they do?

They STOP.

Some don't even get the needle out of their arm before they drop. They're not talking to you, resisting the cops, or walking into a store.
 
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