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2021-03-26 2:53:01 PM  
Facebook generates 'dummy' pages for things (clubs, small businesses) in order to try and platform their online presence on facebook. Similar to how seamless and the ilk will fake that s resturant is on their service when in fact they are just taking your order and calling it in manually. They can't tell the difference between hate groups and your local little leauge.
 
2021-03-26 2:57:56 PM  
The AI doesn't have a lookup to at least reject pages that match the names of hate groups in the SPLC website? I mean...that's not hard...if you give a fark.

Zuck has never given a fark. He thinks this is stupid and the company knows.
 
2021-03-26 3:01:12 PM  

wejash: The AI doesn't have a lookup to at least reject pages that match the names of hate groups in the SPLC website? I mean...that's not hard...if you give a fark.

Zuck has never given a fark. He thinks this is stupid and the company knows.


It would be better if he did not give a fark.

He does care. Greatly. And this is why FB is actively trying to increase the number of white supremacist groups on their platform.

Because Zuck is a white supremacist.
 
2021-03-26 3:13:40 PM  

King Something: wejash: The AI doesn't have a lookup to at least reject pages that match the names of hate groups in the SPLC website? I mean...that's not hard...if you give a fark.

Zuck has never given a fark. He thinks this is stupid and the company knows.

It would be better if he did not give a fark.

He does care. Greatly. And this is why FB is actively trying to increase the number of white supremacist groups on their platform.

Because Zuck is a white supremacist.


Well, he's certainly white.

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2021-03-26 3:27:00 PM  
They only really aided genocide that one time, and it could have happened to anyone.
 
2021-03-26 5:07:07 PM  

Marcus Aurelius: They only really aided genocide that one time, and it could have happened to anyone.


All the cool social media companies were doing it.
 
2021-03-26 5:08:44 PM  

urger: Facebook generates 'dummy'


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2021-03-26 5:10:03 PM  
FB was invented to rate women based on appearance.

Why are people shiatting their waterbeds when they learn about some other piece of shiat thing they do?
 
2021-03-26 5:10:51 PM  
People still use Facebook?
Is Farmville still a thing?
 
2021-03-26 5:11:46 PM  

urger: Facebook generates 'dummy' pages for things (clubs, small businesses) in order to try and platform their online presence on facebook. Similar to how seamless and the ilk will fake that s resturant is on their service when in fact they are just taking your order and calling it in manually. They can't tell the difference between hate groups and your local little leauge.


You say that like that makes it okay no they should actually write the technology necessary to know the difference or not exist pick one
 
2021-03-26 5:11:52 PM  

dothemath: FB was invented to rate women based on appearance.

Why are people shiatting their waterbeds when they learn about some other piece of shiat thing they do?


You're thinking of HotOrNot.
Facebook was invented for college kids to hook up.
 
2021-03-26 5:12:10 PM  

wejash: The AI doesn't have a lookup to at least reject pages that match the names of hate groups in the SPLC website? I mean...that's not hard...if you give a fark.

Zuck has never given a fark. He thinks this is stupid and the company knows.


At this point it's starting to feel like he's invested in helping
 
2021-03-26 5:12:33 PM  
This proves that white racism is inherent in Facebook.  Shut the motherfarking white racist company down.  The feds need to raid them and lock up the racists running the site.  The white racists who tried a coup in January used Facebook.  And Facebook tried to pass the blame onto other sites.

We need the government to hold the zuck responsible and start restrictions on how much property androids can own.
 
2021-03-26 5:12:57 PM  

King Something: wejash: The AI doesn't have a lookup to at least reject pages that match the names of hate groups in the SPLC website? I mean...that's not hard...if you give a fark.

Zuck has never given a fark. He thinks this is stupid and the company knows.

It would be better if he did not give a fark.

He does care. Greatly. And this is why FB is actively trying to increase the number of white supremacist groups on their platform.

Because Zuck is a white supremacist.


It's starting to look like a definite possibility
 
2021-03-26 5:13:32 PM  

arrogantbastich: King Something: wejash: The AI doesn't have a lookup to at least reject pages that match the names of hate groups in the SPLC website? I mean...that's not hard...if you give a fark.

Zuck has never given a fark. He thinks this is stupid and the company knows.

It would be better if he did not give a fark.

He does care. Greatly. And this is why FB is actively trying to increase the number of white supremacist groups on their platform.

Because Zuck is a white supremacist.

Well, he's certainly white.

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So that's what he looks like without his mask?
 
2021-03-26 5:13:52 PM  
Facebook is not in control of Facebook.  Facebook created a Facebook AI to run Facebook. The AI is now in control.  And you thought Skynet was going to come from the military.
 
2021-03-26 5:14:34 PM  
Because it increases overall engagement which increases revenue. This surprises anyone? Really?
 
2021-03-26 5:14:47 PM  

Begoggle: dothemath: FB was invented to rate women based on appearance.

Why are people shiatting their waterbeds when they learn about some other piece of shiat thing they do?

You're thinking of HotOrNot.
Facebook was invented for college kids to hook up.


Tomato 🍅
 
2021-03-26 5:14:56 PM  
White not?
 
2021-03-26 5:15:34 PM  

King Something: wejash: The AI doesn't have a lookup to at least reject pages that match the names of hate groups in the SPLC website? I mean...that's not hard...if you give a fark.

Zuck has never given a fark. He thinks this is stupid and the company knows.

It would be better if he did not give a fark.

He does care. Greatly. And this is why FB is actively trying to increase the number of white supremacist groups on their platform.

Because Zuck is a white supremacist.


Yup. Lets remember how facebook started... zuck created a website so students could rate each other hotness. The guy has always been a creep.
 
2021-03-26 5:15:36 PM  

Saturn5: Facebook is not in control of Facebook.  Facebook created a Facebook AI to run Facebook. The AI is now in control.  And you thought Skynet was going to come from the military.


Who would have thought that lonely aunts and uncles would be our downfall?
 
2021-03-26 5:15:49 PM  
I gave up Facebook for Lent this year.  Best decision I ever made.  Easter is next weekend, but there's no way I'm going back.
 
2021-03-26 5:15:54 PM  

AmbassadorBooze: We need the government to hold the zuck responsible and start restrictions on how much property androids can own.


Starting with the electric sheep. Those bastards.
 
2021-03-26 5:16:42 PM  

Saturn5: Facebook is not in control of Facebook.  Facebook created a Facebook AI to run Facebook. The AI is now in control.  And you thought Skynet was going to come from the military.


Well, I definitely expected more hits posting and less s**tposting.....
 
2021-03-26 5:17:17 PM  

urger: Facebook generates 'dummy' pages for things (clubs, small businesses) in order to try and platform their online presence on facebook. Similar to how seamless and the ilk will fake that s resturant is on their service when in fact they are just taking your order and calling it in manually. They can't tell the difference between hate groups and your local little leauge.


Google map does the same with businesses it finds in various listings and user rating sites like Yelp or TripAdvisor.

I've had to help my aunt and uncle "claim" their own business to correct its location on the map as they were in the wrong spot based on postal address vs. real street address.

My family doctor's clinic is also in the wrong spot on GoogleMaps based on a typo in a government listing of family clinics.
 
2021-03-26 5:18:20 PM  
Apparently this picture is of Zuckerberg in his human suit from 2018.

His human suit must be in need of replacement very very soon. Damn thing looks like it's melting.

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2021-03-26 5:19:28 PM  
I'm still not convinced Mark is human
 
2021-03-26 5:25:05 PM  
Wow, it's like facebook already knows what the racist are going to say...Mindreader Mark.
 
2021-03-26 5:25:31 PM  

waxbeans: arrogantbastich: King Something: wejash: The AI doesn't have a lookup to at least reject pages that match the names of hate groups in the SPLC website? I mean...that's not hard...if you give a fark.

Zuck has never given a fark. He thinks this is stupid and the company knows.

It would be better if he did not give a fark.

He does care. Greatly. And this is why FB is actively trying to increase the number of white supremacist groups on their platform.

Because Zuck is a white supremacist.

Well, he's certainly white.

[Fark user image image 800x450]

So that's what he looks like without his mask?


More like:
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2021-03-26 5:28:45 PM  

Conservative Evangelical Millennial Cyclist: .

Who would have thought that lonely aunts and uncles would be our downfall?


Any dude who has tried to date a Latina woman
 
2021-03-26 5:30:04 PM  

ZMugg: waxbeans: arrogantbastich: King Something: wejash: The AI doesn't have a lookup to at least reject pages that match the names of hate groups in the SPLC website? I mean...that's not hard...if you give a fark.

Zuck has never given a fark. He thinks this is stupid and the company knows.

It would be better if he did not give a fark.

He does care. Greatly. And this is why FB is actively trying to increase the number of white supremacist groups on their platform.

Because Zuck is a white supremacist.

Well, he's certainly white.

[Fark user image image 800x450]

So that's what he looks like without his mask?

More like:
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I love the loving fark out of wishmaster
 
2021-03-26 5:32:29 PM  
If only my friends would read their freakin' email more often than once in two weeks, I don't need to be on faceplant.
 
2021-03-26 5:33:49 PM  

waxbeans: Conservative Evangelical Millennial Cyclist: .

Who would have thought that lonely aunts and uncles would be our downfall?

Any dude who has tried to date a Latina woman


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2021-03-26 5:37:08 PM  

whitroth: If only my friends would read their freakin' email more often than once in two weeks, I don't need to be on faceplant.


If they won't read emails you send them, are they really your friend?
 
2021-03-26 5:37:23 PM  
Step 1: Make a social website so people can post pics and talk to each other
Step 2: Get over a billion users
Step 3: Get regulated when some of those billion users post pics and say things people don't like

White supremacists drive cars. A Dodge Charger was driven by one, and he intentionally drove into a crowd! Why is Dodge supporting white supremecy???
 
2021-03-26 5:40:54 PM  

King Something: wejash: The AI doesn't have a lookup to at least reject pages that match the names of hate groups in the SPLC website? I mean...that's not hard...if you give a fark.

Zuck has never given a fark. He thinks this is stupid and the company knows.

It would be better if he did not give a fark.

He does care. Greatly. And this is why FB is actively trying to increase the number of white supremacist groups on their platform.

Because Zuck is a white supremacist.


It generates "engagement." The white supremacists and nazis get a place to hang out and connect, and the people who actively and understandably hate both get a punching bag.  Both generate page clicks and revenue.

Zuck is peddling a product devoted to generating both addiction and acrimony.  It's deliberately designed to make normal people's lives worse.
 
2021-03-26 5:43:25 PM  

Wine Sipping Elitist: Step 1: Make a social website so people can post pics and talk to each other
Step 2: Get over a billion users
Step 3: Get regulated when some of those billion users post pics and say things people don't like

White supremacists drive cars. A Dodge Charger was driven by one, and he intentionally drove into a crowd! Why is Dodge supporting white supremecy???


So you don't think social media should be as regulated as cars let me guess you're Republican you think seat belt laws are a crime and taxes are theft correct
 
2021-03-26 5:48:59 PM  

Wine Sipping Elitist: Step 1: Make a social website so people can post pics and talk to each other
Step 2: Get over a billion users
Step 3: Get regulated when some of those billion users post pics and say things people don't like

White supremacists drive cars. A Dodge Charger was driven by one, and he intentionally drove into a crowd! Why is Dodge supporting white supremecy???


The owner's charger wasn't showing them ads reinforcing their white supremacy.
 
2021-03-26 6:14:17 PM  

urger: Facebook generates 'dummy' pages for things (clubs, small businesses) in order to try and platform their online presence on facebook. Similar to how seamless and the ilk will fake that s resturant is on their service when in fact they are just taking your order and calling it in manually. They can't tell the difference between hate groups and your local little leauge.


It's as though subby couldn't be assed to read two paragraphs before posting a misleading headline.
 
2021-03-26 6:21:46 PM  

Wine Sipping Elitist: Step 1: Make a social website so people can post pics and talk to each other
Step 2: Get over a billion users
Step 3: Get regulated when some of those billion users post pics and say things people don't like

White supremacists drive cars. A Dodge Charger was driven by one, and he intentionally drove into a crowd! Why is Dodge supporting white supremecy???


Your analogy is bad, and you should feel bad.
 
2021-03-26 6:40:17 PM  

waxbeans: urger: Facebook generates 'dummy' pages for things (clubs, small businesses) in order to try and platform their online presence on facebook. Similar to how seamless and the ilk will fake that s resturant is on their service when in fact they are just taking your order and calling it in manually. They can't tell the difference between hate groups and your local little leauge.

You say that like that makes it okay no they should actually write the technology necessary to know the difference or not exist pick one


To be fair - that's a really hard thing to do using NLP. Back when I worked in adtech (not at Facebook, but they did try to recruit me) I worked on a thing that read news stories and made new audiences on the fly (for example it would be generating a 'suez canal blocked' story reader audience right now). What killed the project was that there is so much hate and stupid shiat on-line that if you weren't really, really careful it learned hate/birther language as normal and middle of the road stuff as tagged extreme. Why not restrict to just 'good' sources? Because machine learning needs fark-tons of data to learn from. If you only looked at the best data you couldn't update fast enough. And even then speed created other issues: the funnest one being that language moves way faster then you can collect and train new models to keep up. My models would have no idea what 'bugaloo' means in terms of hate speech for example. Now multiply this across multiple languages - none of which has the richness of sources as English.

Machine learning isn't magic.
 
2021-03-26 6:42:50 PM  
So that the problem seem worse and more systemic than it actually is?

Just spitballing here.  Please carry on.
 
2021-03-26 6:44:27 PM  

inelegy: So that the problem seem worse and more systemic than it actually is?

Just spitballing here.  Please carry on.


If I create a fake hate group on Facebook does that mean the problem of hate groups is overblown?
 
2021-03-26 6:49:52 PM  
"I wish I had taken out my diamond encrusted, gold butt plug before coming here."

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2021-03-26 6:54:09 PM  

urger: waxbeans: urger: Facebook generates 'dummy' pages for things (clubs, small businesses) in order to try and platform their online presence on facebook. Similar to how seamless and the ilk will fake that s resturant is on their service when in fact they are just taking your order and calling it in manually. They can't tell the difference between hate groups and your local little leauge.

You say that like that makes it okay no they should actually write the technology necessary to know the difference or not exist pick one

To be fair - that's a really hard thing to do using NLP. Back when I worked in adtech (not at Facebook, but they did try to recruit me) I worked on a thing that read news stories and made new audiences on the fly (for example it would be generating a 'suez canal blocked' story reader audience right now). What killed the project was that there is so much hate and stupid shiat on-line that if you weren't really, really careful it learned hate/birther language as normal and middle of the road stuff as tagged extreme. Why not restrict to just 'good' sources? Because machine learning needs fark-tons of data to learn from. If you only looked at the best data you couldn't update fast enough. And even then speed created other issues: the funnest one being that language moves way faster then you can collect and train new models to keep up. My models would have no idea what 'bugaloo' means in terms of hate speech for example. Now multiply this across multiple languages - none of which has the richness of sources as English.

Machine learning isn't magic.


You sound like a drug manufacturer justifying using diesel fuel when we very well know you could use ethanol it's just more expensive.
 
2021-03-26 6:55:38 PM  
Because Zuckerberg is a White Supremacist?
 
2021-03-26 6:58:31 PM  

blockhouse: I gave up Facebook for Lent this year.  Best decision I ever made.  Easter is next weekend, but there's no way I'm going back.


I gave it up several months ago just because it felt like it was becoming a JOB. I have not missed it, either. Also, I gave up religion for Lent 30 years ago and I haven't missed that, either (but to each their own).
 
2021-03-26 7:03:47 PM  

NotThatGuyAgain: urger: Facebook generates 'dummy' pages for things (clubs, small businesses) in order to try and platform their online presence on facebook. Similar to how seamless and the ilk will fake that s resturant is on their service when in fact they are just taking your order and calling it in manually. They can't tell the difference between hate groups and your local little leauge.

It's as though subby couldn't be assed to read two paragraphs before posting a misleading headline.


Oh, the submitter knows how to get a greenlight, and Fark knows how to generate clicks. It's, like, COOL disinformation.
 
2021-03-26 7:06:05 PM  
Because it is cheaper for the Russians. Duh.
 
2021-03-26 7:10:58 PM  

TheYeti: NotThatGuyAgain: urger: Facebook generates 'dummy' pages for things (clubs, small businesses) in order to try and platform their online presence on facebook. Similar to how seamless and the ilk will fake that s resturant is on their service when in fact they are just taking your order and calling it in manually. They can't tell the difference between hate groups and your local little leauge.

It's as though subby couldn't be assed to read two paragraphs before posting a misleading headline.

Oh, the submitter knows how to get a greenlight, and Fark knows how to generate clicks. It's, like, COOL disinformation.


Farkers are pretty cool, I agree.
 
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