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(The Intercept)   Entire staff of Nevada Democratic party ragequits after left wing becomes active in the party enough to take over leadership   (theintercept.com) divider line
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2021-03-08 10:51:02 PM  
After years of Republican control, Democrats now hold the governor's mansion, the state Senate, and the state House, as well as both U.S. Senate seats.

Well, with performance like that, I can see why the left would want to remove the state party leadership.

Sigh
 
2021-03-08 11:38:36 PM  
When you understand that internal party politics is all about cliques, this is hardly a surprise.
 
2021-03-09 1:17:48 AM  

GardenWeasel: After years of Republican control, Democrats now hold the governor's mansion, the state Senate, and the state House, as well as both U.S. Senate seats.

Well, with performance like that, I can see why the left would want to remove the state party leadership.

Sigh


"We're making forward progress, time to halt completely and rest on our laurels" - strategy of the establishment Democrats.
 
2021-03-09 1:50:36 AM  

GardenWeasel: After years of Republican control, Democrats now hold the governor's mansion, the state Senate, and the state House, as well as both U.S. Senate seats.

Well, with performance like that, I can see why the left would want to remove the state party leadership.

Sigh


These people quit, they weren't fired.
 
2021-03-09 4:32:45 AM  
Why aren't the Progressives thrilled to be able to fill all the available staff positions with all of the enthusiastic and stilled professionals who want to work for real change.
 
2021-03-09 4:54:15 AM  
Fta:" The establishment had prepared for the loss, having recently moved $450,000 out of the party's coffers and into the Democratic Senatorial Campaign Committee's account..."

Fark the Reid machine.

Huzzah for the democratic socialist progressives out organizing them at every turn.
 
2021-03-09 4:57:07 AM  

GardenWeasel: After years of Republican control, Democrats now hold the governor's mansion, the state Senate, and the state House, as well as both U.S. Senate seats.

Well, with performance like that, I can see why the left would want to remove the state party leadership.

Sigh


Damn those state-level dems for voting who they voted for, right? How dare they.
 
2021-03-09 4:58:05 AM  
Well this one oughta be fun.
 
2021-03-09 4:58:15 AM  

feltrider: GardenWeasel: After years of Republican control, Democrats now hold the governor's mansion, the state Senate, and the state House, as well as both U.S. Senate seats.

Well, with performance like that, I can see why the left would want to remove the state party leadership.

Sigh

These people quit, they weren't fired.


These people quit before they could be fired, I think.
 
2021-03-09 5:08:30 AM  

quatchi: feltrider: GardenWeasel: After years of Republican control, Democrats now hold the governor's mansion, the state Senate, and the state House, as well as both U.S. Senate seats.

Well, with performance like that, I can see why the left would want to remove the state party leadership.

Sigh

These people quit, they weren't fired.

These people quit before they could be fired, I think.


Sure they did.
 
2021-03-09 5:13:08 AM  

GardenWeasel: After years of Republican control, Democrats now hold the governor's mansion, the state Senate, and the state House, as well as both U.S. Senate seats.

Well, with performance like that, I can see why the left would want to remove the state party leadership.

Sigh


They lost the elections to better organized people and then quit.  If they wanted to win maybe not run on "THOSE people are divisive"
 
2021-03-09 5:16:35 AM  
The Democratic Party ran candidates on a slate titled "The Progressive Unity Slate," playing on a theme they'd been pushing the entire cycle: The groups angling for change from the left were trying to divide the party, they said, while they were trying to save it.
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The establishment had prepared for the loss, having recently moved $450,000 out of the party's coffers and into the Democratic Senatorial Campaign Committee's account

"Unity" means that do it our way or we'll quit...after we loot the treasury
 
2021-03-09 5:18:30 AM  

quatchi: feltrider: GardenWeasel: After years of Republican control, Democrats now hold the governor's mansion, the state Senate, and the state House, as well as both U.S. Senate seats.

Well, with performance like that, I can see why the left would want to remove the state party leadership.

Sigh

These people quit, they weren't fired.

These people quit before they could be fired, I think.


What is more concerning is that the previous leadership mover $450K out of the committee's funds just before hand. Maybe they deal in that sizes of cash all the time and/or it was a routine transfer, but I suspect it was intended to limit the power of the newly elected officials by leaving them bankrupt.

Of course, the new committee could just start fund raising like crazy once vaccination finishes.
 
2021-03-09 5:20:35 AM  
Great plan there, splitters. It's Nevada. Where are you going to go?
 
2021-03-09 5:22:25 AM  
Shame the (Reid / Hillary) Democrats seem all to similar to Republicans. (The before Trumper kind.)
 
2021-03-09 5:26:49 AM  

Ragin' Asian: Great plan there, splitters. It's Nevada. Where are you going to go?


Who are the splitters in your mind?
Because, seriously, isn't 'running within the existing party to attempt to gain leadership positions' literally the opposite of splitting?
 
2021-03-09 5:29:35 AM  
Kinda worried.

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2021-03-09 5:34:08 AM  

gozar_the_destroyer: quatchi: feltrider: GardenWeasel: After years of Republican control, Democrats now hold the governor's mansion, the state Senate, and the state House, as well as both U.S. Senate seats.

Well, with performance like that, I can see why the left would want to remove the state party leadership.

Sigh

These people quit, they weren't fired.

These people quit before they could be fired, I think.

What is more concerning is that the previous leadership mover $450K out of the committee's funds just before hand. Maybe they deal in that sizes of cash all the time and/or it was a routine transfer, but I suspect it was intended to limit the power of the newly elected officials by leaving them bankrupt.

Of course, the new committee could just start fund raising like crazy once vaccination finishes.


It's pretty common I think.  At a certain level the thing to grasp about politics is it's very relational.  It's very relational because you're basically whipping up a group of people to do unfounded volunteer work that is often very boring and tedious, and that most people really don't know HOW to do.

When you have success with someone they tend to become YOUR person, which is why people like Clinton tend toward a very insular group of operatives.

You don't put the person who always shows up and does work for you behind the new person who you've never worked with before because you want the labor.

The problem is this tends to demotivate the new person and put your side at odds with the new people if they're REALLY motivated.

If those guys succeed in insurgent campaigns you get a lot of bad behavior because those loyalty relationships are being activated unproductively
 
2021-03-09 5:36:59 AM  
The wanted to spend more time focusing on wine tasting.

Life is short.
 
2021-03-09 5:40:10 AM  
The article quotes someone as complaining that the new leader doesn't try to build consensus, but nowhere in the article does it give examples of the old guard working to incorporate the progressives into the mix. If you lead by example and show that when you have control you do things your way then you have no one to blame but yourself when you get replaced and the new leader only cares about their way.
 
2021-03-09 5:40:11 AM  
I need coffee, it's nearly 6 am.

But seriously, if they quit, they quit. That's freedom of assembly in action and they're free to exercise that. 🇺🇸

/I read this one 5 times to be sure.
 
2021-03-09 5:45:10 AM  
Correct me if im wrong, but quitting means no severance 99% of the time right?
 
2021-03-09 5:48:06 AM  
I would love to get this country to a point where "Reid" democrats were representative of American "conservatives"
 
2021-03-09 5:50:43 AM  

wademh: Why aren't the Progressives thrilled to be able to fill all the available staff positions with all of the enthusiastic and stilled professionals who want to work for real change.


Who says they're not?  The article just iterates that they're surprised that after the unity theme the establishment ran on, once having lost they bailed.  I guess it was unity under command of the establishment.  Kind of like Republican 'compromise'.
 
2021-03-09 5:54:16 AM  

Cuthbert Allgood: I would love to get this country to a point where "Reid" democrats were representative of American "conservatives"


This. Anything to the right of Reid/Hills isn't so much conservative as nationalist/proto fascist.

It's often difficult to find that line in politics and society that brightly proclaims "go further right then this and you're dancing with Nazis".

It's mind boggling that this line actually shows up in the middle of the American "left".
 
2021-03-09 5:56:56 AM  
You can always count on conservatives to act shiatty like this. Always.
 
2021-03-09 5:58:36 AM  
If that is the best thing they could think to do in response to the change that needs to happen, maybe it's best that they are gone.
 
2021-03-09 6:03:37 AM  

quatchi: Fta:" The establishment had prepared for the loss, having recently moved $450,000 out of the party's coffers and into the Democratic Senatorial Campaign Committee's account..."

Fark the Reid machine.

Huzzah for the democratic socialist progressives out organizing them at every turn.


I was part of an organisation that had raised a few thousand dollars for the local branch. We were stacked out by another faction, and they were surprised that we didn't transfer our branch funds to another organisation or branch so people aligned to us could use them. It got me a fair bit of respect from them as I painted it as I thought it was unethical as it was raised in the org's name, not our faction's, so I refused to transfer the money.

In reality, we had lost the checkbook and couldn't arrange the transfer in time. But politics is about image, and we really didn't need the extra funds anyway.
 
MFK
2021-03-09 6:04:01 AM  

GardenWeasel: After years of Republican control, Democrats now hold the governor's mansion, the state Senate, and the state House, as well as both U.S. Senate seats.

Well, with performance like that, I can see why the left would want to remove the state party leadership.

Sigh


well of course it's a totally blue state now. Do you think progressives compete against Republicans? They only go for safe areas where other people have already done the hard work of getting rid of the Republicans.
 
2021-03-09 6:07:37 AM  

Felgraf: Ragin' Asian: Great plan there, splitters. It's Nevada. Where are you going to go?

Who are the splitters in your mind?
Because, seriously, isn't 'running within the existing party to attempt to gain leadership positions' literally the opposite of splitting?


The petulant children who quit because they couldn't play their preferred game.
 
2021-03-09 6:11:14 AM  

Smoking GNU: quatchi: feltrider: GardenWeasel: After years of Republican control, Democrats now hold the governor's mansion, the state Senate, and the state House, as well as both U.S. Senate seats.

Well, with performance like that, I can see why the left would want to remove the state party leadership.

Sigh

These people quit, they weren't fired.

These people quit before they could be fired, I think.

Sure they did.


The fact that they paid themselves out before quitting should be a clue.
 
2021-03-09 6:12:33 AM  
I'd rage quit too if I worked hard to flip my state blue, then the people who guarantee turning it back red took over my party.
 
2021-03-09 6:17:06 AM  

quatchi: feltrider: GardenWeasel: After years of Republican control, Democrats now hold the governor's mansion, the state Senate, and the state House, as well as both U.S. Senate seats.

Well, with performance like that, I can see why the left would want to remove the state party leadership.

Sigh

These people quit, they weren't fired.

These people quit before they could be fired, I think.


That they would be fired was presented as a rumor, one that was denied. What actuality came out of their mouths, though, was that they didn't like Whitmer because she didn't listen to their ideas and they didn't want to watch her take apart or change what they built.  Seems like sour grapes to me.
 
2021-03-09 6:19:51 AM  

Concrete Donkey: Correct me if im wrong, but quitting means no severance 99% of the time right?


Seeing as how these positions seem to be elected, there may be provisions for quitting with severance if defeated? That's my guess.
 
2021-03-09 6:21:14 AM  

Ragin' Asian: Felgraf: Ragin' Asian: Great plan there, splitters. It's Nevada. Where are you going to go?

Who are the splitters in your mind?
Because, seriously, isn't 'running within the existing party to attempt to gain leadership positions' literally the opposite of splitting?

The petulant children who quit because they couldn't play their preferred game.


I mean, of course, they should have just kept working for the people who were not the people they wanted to work for, doing the things they didn't want to do, for causes they didn't believe in.

What did anyone expect them to do? Politics are popularity contests. Great, you won. Get your own farking staff, and also fill your own farking coffers. You're great at organizing and raising money? Then farking do it.

I mean it all reads like "we stole this house and the people who used to live here didn't leave us all the furniture that we thought should go with it!" Also, "we have plenty of friends, but why didn't the people we kind of shiat on to get here want to be our friends? How dare those horrible, awful people not want to associate us!"
 
2021-03-09 6:23:13 AM  
FTFATHE BATTLE BETWEEN the insurgent progressive wing of the party and what's known in Nevada as the Reid machine - a tightly run operation still guided by former Senate Majority Leader Harry Reid -

Is it REALLY, though? Last time I saw Harry Reid was in 2016, being wheelchaired around a convention hall looking like a confused scarecrow in a crooked hat.

Harry Reid is running the "Reid Machine" the same way Elizabeth II is running England.
 
2021-03-09 6:24:15 AM  

quatchi: Smoking GNU: quatchi: feltrider: GardenWeasel: After years of Republican control, Democrats now hold the governor's mansion, the state Senate, and the state House, as well as both U.S. Senate seats.

Well, with performance like that, I can see why the left would want to remove the state party leadership.

Sigh

These people quit, they weren't fired.

These people quit before they could be fired, I think.

Sure they did.

The fact that they paid themselves out before quitting should be a clue.


And by "got paid out" you of course mean "got paid the salaries they were supposed to be paid"
 
2021-03-09 6:29:54 AM  
Apparently we need a new board now

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2021-03-09 6:32:10 AM  

MisterMook: Ragin' Asian: Felgraf: Ragin' Asian: Great plan there, splitters. It's Nevada. Where are you going to go?

Who are the splitters in your mind?
Because, seriously, isn't 'running within the existing party to attempt to gain leadership positions' literally the opposite of splitting?

The petulant children who quit because they couldn't play their preferred game.

I mean, of course, they should have just kept working for the people who were not the people they wanted to work for, doing the things they didn't want to do, for causes they didn't believe in.

What did anyone expect them to do? Politics are popularity contests. Great, you won. Get your own farking staff, and also fill your own farking coffers. You're great at organizing and raising money? Then farking do it.

I mean it all reads like "we stole this house and the people who used to live here didn't leave us all the furniture that we thought should go with it!" Also, "we have plenty of friends, but why didn't the people we kind of shiat on to get here want to be our friends? How dare those horrible, awful people not want to associate us!"


And here we see the masks being torn off, not just slipping.
 
2021-03-09 6:36:30 AM  
I wasn't under the impression that state political party machinery was all that important outside some of the nuts and bolts operation like voter registration, get out the vote, and low level political recruitment. State political parties have been tremendously weakened in recent decades due to the personalization of politics, candidates ability to raise money through their own PAC's, and independent PAC networks not controlled by their aligned political party machinery(Koch network is a good example).

I am not saying this doesn't matter, but there are countervailing forces. All those people who were the previous power structure could just reform as a PAC, raise the money, and continue to pursue their agenda. Frankly, I don't know how much any of this matters, there isn't exactly some great divide in the Democratic party on the larger platform . It's not so much that the Democratic "Old Guard" is against the expansion of the social welfare state, a more equity distribution of incomes, and social justice. It's just a matter of degree, and frankly having the votes which the left has long been denied on a national level outside key urban areas.
 
2021-03-09 6:36:50 AM  

qorkfiend: quatchi: Smoking GNU: quatchi: feltrider: GardenWeasel: After years of Republican control, Democrats now hold the governor's mansion, the state Senate, and the state House, as well as both U.S. Senate seats.

Well, with performance like that, I can see why the left would want to remove the state party leadership.

Sigh

These people quit, they weren't fired.

These people quit before they could be fired, I think.

Sure they did.

The fact that they paid themselves out before quitting should be a clue.

And by "got paid out" you of course mean "got paid the salaries they were supposed to be paid"


Well, yeah. That and the money transfer thing. Granted that wasn't to themselves so much as away from the progs.
 
2021-03-09 6:40:59 AM  
Given that Bernie basically used Nevada to show how to win over latinos in the primary this last go-around, and that he got picked in spite of all the establishment endorsements (union leadership that, it turned out, didn't actually speak for leadership), I'm viewing this as a positive. For now. They'll have to show that they can run the place competently, but hey, that's the opportunity they fought for, here.

Cheers. Go get 'em.
 
2021-03-09 6:41:15 AM  
The Intercept?

Now I doubt the Democratic Party even exists.
 
2021-03-09 6:45:14 AM  
And this is how it works Bernie Bros, Fark ultra-progressives, etc - that is how you defeat mainstream Democratic Party machines. It takes sustained work, over time.
 
2021-03-09 6:50:25 AM  

Ragin' Asian: Felgraf: Ragin' Asian: Great plan there, splitters. It's Nevada. Where are you going to go?

Who are the splitters in your mind?
Because, seriously, isn't 'running within the existing party to attempt to gain leadership positions' literally the opposite of splitting?

The petulant children who quit because they couldn't play their preferred game.


"Whitmer's predecessor, former Clark County Democratic Chair Donna West, said Whitmer did not try to bridge gaps within the party. She "does not listen to others' opinions and really take those on board," West said. "I found that working with her could be really difficult, that she doesn't really collaborate well, and doesn't work to build consensus." West resigned last summer."

I don't know about you but I've quit a job where I wasn't listened to because the boss was from the 'my way or the highway" school of management.

Perhaps the one who doesn't collaborate well was the more petulant party here?
 
2021-03-09 6:50:27 AM  

MFK: well of course it's a totally blue state now. Do you think progressives compete against Republicans? They only go for safe areas where other people have already done the hard work of getting rid of the Republicans.


From the article:

Over the next four years, outside organizations like DSA exploded in size and strength. The Sanders campaign focused on organizing tens of thousands of young Latino voters in the state, with the goal of activating people whom the party hadn't bothered with before. And it worked: In the 2020 cycle, after investing heavily in Nevada, Sanders won a commanding victory in the Nevada caucuses.

Seems to me it's the progressives that have done the hard work.
 
2021-03-09 7:03:47 AM  

parasol: Ragin' Asian: Felgraf: Ragin' Asian: Great plan there, splitters. It's Nevada. Where are you going to go?

Who are the splitters in your mind?
Because, seriously, isn't 'running within the existing party to attempt to gain leadership positions' literally the opposite of splitting?

The petulant children who quit because they couldn't play their preferred game.

"Whitmer's predecessor, former Clark County Democratic Chair Donna West, said Whitmer did not try to bridge gaps within the party. She "does not listen to others' opinions and really take those on board," West said. "I found that working with her could be really difficult, that she doesn't really collaborate well, and doesn't work to build consensus." West resigned last summer."

I don't know about you but I've quit a job where I wasn't listened to because the boss was from the 'my way or the highway" school of management.

Perhaps the one who doesn't collaborate well was the more petulant party here?


When centrists start working towards consensus and collaboration with progressives, you might have a point. In this case it's progressives winning elections and centrists quitting en masse because they don't want to actually help people, they just want to be in an exclusive club bullshiatting with like-minded assholes.
 
2021-03-09 7:05:03 AM  

parasol: Ragin' Asian: Felgraf: Ragin' Asian: Great plan there, splitters. It's Nevada. Where are you going to go?

Who are the splitters in your mind?
Because, seriously, isn't 'running within the existing party to attempt to gain leadership positions' literally the opposite of splitting?

The petulant children who quit because they couldn't play their preferred game.

"Whitmer's predecessor, former Clark County Democratic Chair Donna West, said Whitmer did not try to bridge gaps within the party. She "does not listen to others' opinions and really take those on board," West said. "I found that working with her could be really difficult, that she doesn't really collaborate well, and doesn't work to build consensus." West resigned last summer."

I don't know about you but I've quit a job where I wasn't listened to because the boss was from the 'my way or the highway" school of management.

Perhaps the one who doesn't collaborate well was the more petulant party here?


I took that with a grain of salt--after all, it's the same sort of thing that the Rs are saying about Biden right now.  Are the Rs right?  Kinda, but the problem exists for a cause, and it has to do with what you think 'compromise' means and what your vision is.

Without examples, and in this case?

Don't know that I want to throw on the side of the group that ran the farcically named "The Progressive Unity Slate"--you know...the group that opposed the progressives?
 
2021-03-09 7:05:22 AM  

SecondaryControl: The Democratic Party ran candidates on a slate titled "The Progressive Unity Slate," playing on a theme they'd been pushing the entire cycle: The groups angling for change from the left were trying to divide the party, they said, while they were trying to save it.


I see the problem: they're more concerned with the party than the country.
 
2021-03-09 7:08:17 AM  
This is a really one sided story, everyone on the other side declined to speak and the one or two they got spoke on super secret anonymity.  If I was Whitmer, I'd be throwing olive branches all over the place to show unity.  I'm on the progressive side, but alienating people (even if they are bitter at the moment) is probably not a good political move.  Going to the Intercept to, I'm not sure what this even is, is this gloating?  Is it whining?
 
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