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2021-03-08 5:57:39 PM  
I do love the Irony of it being the New York Times.

Then again Southern Californians swear they have better tacos than Texas.

And I'll tell you that's patently false. I'd say the only thing California does better is sushi in the bay area. I've had some amazing sushi in SF and in Berkley.
 
2021-03-08 6:03:40 PM  
What a stupid concept, that some region makes a better food item than can be made in another region.

People travel.

Take a Kansas City BBQ recipe and take it to Idaho and it tastes exactly the same as Kansas City BBQ.

Bagels aren't inherently better because they're made in New York City.

NEW YORK CITY???!
 
2021-03-08 6:12:06 PM  
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2021-03-08 6:28:55 PM  
SF had great bagels. LA, not so much, but they might have gotten better. Some NY bagels are good, and some aren't.

Saying a region has "better" bagels than another is like claiming that some region has "better" chocolate chip cookies. It depends on what you like.

Unless you like blueberry bagels. Then you're just confusing donuts and bagels and have no right to an opinion on the issue.
 
2021-03-08 6:30:31 PM  

Axeofjudgement: I do love the Irony of it being the New York Times.

Then again Southern Californians swear they have better tacos than Texas.

And I'll tell you that's patently false. I'd say the only thing California does better is sushi in the bay area. I've had some amazing sushi in SF and in Berkley.


Texas tacos suck donkey balls
 
2021-03-08 6:32:22 PM  

El_Frijole_Blanco: Axeofjudgement: I do love the Irony of it being the New York Times.

Then again Southern Californians swear they have better tacos than Texas.

And I'll tell you that's patently false. I'd say the only thing California does better is sushi in the bay area. I've had some amazing sushi in SF and in Berkley.

Texas tacos suck donkey balls


STAY IN CALIFORNIA WHERE YOU BELONG.
 
2021-03-08 6:34:17 PM  

Clarence Brown: SF had great bagels. LA, not so much, but they might have gotten better. Some NY bagels are good, and some aren't.

Saying a region has "better" bagels than another is like claiming that some region has "better" chocolate chip cookies. It depends on what you like.

Unless you like blueberry bagels. Then you're just confusing donuts and bagels and have no right to an opinion on the issue.


A blueberry bagel ain't a bagel, it is a dried up danish.
 
2021-03-08 6:52:57 PM  

Jack Sabbath: What a stupid concept, that some region makes a better food item than can be made in another region.

People travel.

Take a Kansas City BBQ recipe and take it to Idaho and it tastes exactly the same as Kansas City BBQ.

Bagels aren't inherently better because they're made in New York City.

NEW YORK CITY???!


Get a rope.
 
2021-03-08 6:53:43 PM  

Axeofjudgement: El_Frijole_Blanco: Axeofjudgement: I do love the Irony of it being the New York Times.

Then again Southern Californians swear they have better tacos than Texas.

And I'll tell you that's patently false. I'd say the only thing California does better is sushi in the bay area. I've had some amazing sushi in SF and in Berkley.

Texas tacos suck donkey balls

STAY IN CALIFORNIA WHERE YOU BELONG.


Originally from Arizona where they have real cowboys and tacos
 
2021-03-08 7:07:55 PM  
Meh. I grew up on NYC bagels, but I've had good ones in lots of places. In the early '90s I used to buy them in Providence and Albuquerque, and they were fine.

The biggest problem is when stores put them in plastic too soon after baking and they lose that crunch.

Worst bagel I ever had was in Dublin, Ireland. It was a soft bun in a bagel shape. Revolting.
 
2021-03-08 7:11:30 PM  

Axeofjudgement: I do love the Irony of it being the New York Times.

Then again Southern Californians swear they have better tacos than Texas.

And I'll tell you that's patently false. I'd say the only thing California does better is sushi in the bay area. I've had some amazing sushi in SF and in Berkley.


You've been eating the wrong tacos then, ese.
 
2021-03-08 7:12:48 PM  
Great, now I want an avocado bagel
 
2021-03-08 7:13:44 PM  

cretinbob: Great, now I want an avocado bagel


I guess you'll have to make an early withdrawal on your Roth IRA then
 
2021-03-08 7:16:00 PM  

Jack Sabbath: What a stupid concept, that some region makes a better food item than can be made in another region.

People travel.

Take a Kansas City BBQ recipe and take it to Idaho and it tastes exactly the same as Kansas City BBQ.

Bagels aren't inherently better because they're made in New York City.

NEW YORK CITY???!


Funny thing about bread. The water, specifically the minerals in the water, affects the final product.
So while useless people can argue about which is better, they would be different.
But yeah.
 
2021-03-08 7:20:31 PM  

El_Frijole_Blanco: Axeofjudgement: El_Frijole_Blanco: Axeofjudgement: I do love the Irony of it being the New York Times.

Then again Southern Californians swear they have better tacos than Texas.

And I'll tell you that's patently false. I'd say the only thing California does better is sushi in the bay area. I've had some amazing sushi in SF and in Berkley.

Texas tacos suck donkey balls

STAY IN CALIFORNIA WHERE YOU BELONG.

Originally from Arizona where they have real cowboys and tacos


Well... when i worked in Arizona tacos weren't the thing I was looking for. I was trying to keep from dying on reflective roofs in sun city and Phoenix.

You people are just monsters and your skin has to be like leather.

And I'm sure the people of Wyoming would like to talk to you. They love their cowboys and those people have nothing else to live for.

Also unless you're an old jeep or a retiree. The sun and dryness keep those people and jeeps going.

/seriously amazing condition old jeeps in Arizona
 
2021-03-08 7:56:31 PM  

Jack Sabbath: What a stupid concept, that some region makes a better food item than can be made in another region.

People travel.

Take a Kansas City BBQ recipe and take it to Idaho and it tastes exactly the same as Kansas City BBQ.

Bagels aren't inherently better because they're made in New York City.

NEW YORK CITY???!


Baking good bagels has a lot to do with the water, and NYC has good water (Thank you Sandhogs!). Some people add minerals to their water (or filter them out) to get the water that they want.
Same for beer.
 
2021-03-08 8:10:00 PM  

El_Frijole_Blanco: Axeofjudgement: I do love the Irony of it being the New York Times.

Then again Southern Californians swear they have better tacos than Texas.

And I'll tell you that's patently false. I'd say the only thing California does better is sushi in the bay area. I've had some amazing sushi in SF and in Berkley.

Texas tacos suck contain donkey balls


FTFY
 
2021-03-08 8:21:33 PM  

cretinbob: Jack Sabbath: What a stupid concept, that some region makes a better food item than can be made in another region.

People travel.

Take a Kansas City BBQ recipe and take it to Idaho and it tastes exactly the same as Kansas City BBQ.

Bagels aren't inherently better because they're made in New York City.

NEW YORK CITY???!

Funny thing about bread. The water, specifically the minerals in the water, affects the final product.
So while useless people can argue about which is better, they would be different.
But yeah.


There is also mythology about the airborne  yeasts of the bay area, precursor to sour dough and all that. So maybe.
 
2021-03-08 8:50:22 PM  
Mmmm, a big wad of boiled dough for breakfast.
 
2021-03-08 9:35:48 PM  
Just want to point out that this is another state that's making "New York-style bagels." It's not a state trying to manufacture a "California-style bagel."

It's OK if another state produces your state's style of bagel. They recognize the champion, and emulate the success.
 
2021-03-08 9:37:34 PM  
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2021-03-08 9:38:31 PM  

sdd2000: Clarence Brown: SF had great bagels. LA, not so much, but they might have gotten better. Some NY bagels are good, and some aren't.

Saying a region has "better" bagels than another is like claiming that some region has "better" chocolate chip cookies. It depends on what you like.

Unless you like blueberry bagels. Then you're just confusing donuts and bagels and have no right to an opinion on the issue.

A blueberry bagel ain't a bagel, it is a dried up danish.


Blueberry scones are much better, using home-grown berries of course.
 
2021-03-08 9:45:37 PM  
Okay, fine, you get the prize for the best boiled bread or stale doughnuts or whatever they are.  May as well chew on a length of rope.
 
2021-03-08 9:50:43 PM  

Axeofjudgement: Then again Southern Californians swear they have better tacos than Texas.
And I'll tell you that's patently false.


I lived in Texas for 10 years and SoCal for 10 years.  And I drive across town to go to a Texas-style taco place in LA.  I never drove across Texas to eat at a LA-style taco place.


Nothing beats handmade Texas flour tortillas.

But as far as what actually goes in a taco?  LA actually has the edge.  Carne asada, chorizo, carnitas, camaron, pescado...you name it.  It's better in LA.
 
2021-03-08 9:55:31 PM  
Screw bagels. Pretzel or GTFO.

/No, not literally Bobby.
 
2021-03-08 10:26:19 PM  

Axeofjudgement: I do love the Irony of it being the New York Times.

Then again Southern Californians swear they have better tacos than Texas.

And I'll tell you that's patently false. I'd say the only thing California does better is sushi in the bay area. I've had some amazing sushi in SF and in Berkley.


And there's absolutely nothing subjective about that either is there.
 
2021-03-08 10:27:54 PM  

duckpoopy: Mmmm, a big wad of boiled dough for breakfast.


You seem to have conveniently left out an important step in the preparation. How quaint.

Welcome to Fark
 
2021-03-08 10:28:02 PM  

natazha: sdd2000: Clarence Brown: SF had great bagels. LA, not so much, but they might have gotten better. Some NY bagels are good, and some aren't.

Saying a region has "better" bagels than another is like claiming that some region has "better" chocolate chip cookies. It depends on what you like.

Unless you like blueberry bagels. Then you're just confusing donuts and bagels and have no right to an opinion on the issue.

A blueberry bagel ain't a bagel, it is a dried up danish.

Blueberry scones are much better, using home-grown berries of course.


I've never had a scone that wasn't dry garbage.

Blueberry bagels are delicious. Blueberry cake donuts are delicious.
Danishes are alright.

My personal preferences aside, I've never heard any of the three being labeled as categories bleeding into another like this. Crazy.
 
2021-03-08 10:32:52 PM  

Krieghund: Axeofjudgement: Then again Southern Californians swear they have better tacos than Texas.
And I'll tell you that's patently false.

I lived in Texas for 10 years and SoCal for 10 years.  And I drive across town to go to a Texas-style taco place in LA.  I never drove across Texas to eat at a LA-style taco place.


Nothing beats handmade Texas flour tortillas.

But as far as what actually goes in a taco?  LA actually has the edge.  Carne asada, chorizo, carnitas, camaron, pescado...you name it.  It's better in LA.


Taco made with a flour tortilla?  Sometimes.  But mostly grilled up soft corn tortilla preferred here.

I'll name a few more fillings: lengua, pulpo, barbacoa, tinga, birria...
 
2021-03-08 10:35:57 PM  

Krieghund: Axeofjudgement: Then again Southern Californians swear they have better tacos than Texas.
And I'll tell you that's patently false.

I lived in Texas for 10 years and SoCal for 10 years.  And I drive across town to go to a Texas-style taco place in LA.  I never drove across Texas to eat at a LA-style taco place.


Nothing beats handmade Texas flour tortillas.

But as far as what actually goes in a taco?  LA actually has the edge.  Carne asada, chorizo, carnitas, camaron, pescado...you name it.  It's better in LA.


I used to live in LA and I don't think I'll go back (honestly, it's because I liked it exactly the way it was at the turn of the century and I'm afraid of how full it has become).  I thought I'd never get tacos like that again.  But there's this little shack in Eugene, OR that comes close.
If I ever hit LA again, I'm hitting Echo Park and eating everything.
 
2021-03-08 10:36:39 PM  

thamike: Krieghund: Axeofjudgement: Then again Southern Californians swear they have better tacos than Texas.
And I'll tell you that's patently false.

I lived in Texas for 10 years and SoCal for 10 years.  And I drive across town to go to a Texas-style taco place in LA.  I never drove across Texas to eat at a LA-style taco place.


Nothing beats handmade Texas flour tortillas.

But as far as what actually goes in a taco?  LA actually has the edge.  Carne asada, chorizo, carnitas, camaron, pescado...you name it.  It's better in LA.

I used to live in LA and I don't think I'll go back (honestly, it's because I liked it exactly the way it was at the turn of the century and I'm afraid of how full it has become).  I thought I'd never get tacos like that again.  But there's this little shack in Eugene, OR that comes close.
If I ever hit LA again, I'm hitting Echo Park and eating everything.


Dull, not full.
 
2021-03-08 10:38:14 PM  

thamike: But there's this little shack in Eugene, OR that comes close.


I need a name.
 
2021-03-08 10:46:40 PM  
And on topic, about bagels:

I was in Rochester, NY in the 90s, and ordered a toasted bagel at a bagel shop in a mall of all places. They did not even have a toaster.  So, worst bagels: Rochester.

One of the best that is no longer: Greg's Bagels in Baltimore.  They had a great selection of different types of smoked salmon.  Also the colossus bagel, which was like an everything bagel with fennel.
 
2021-03-08 11:06:15 PM  

fasahd: cretinbob: Jack Sabbath: What a stupid concept, that some region makes a better food item than can be made in another region.

People travel.

Take a Kansas City BBQ recipe and take it to Idaho and it tastes exactly the same as Kansas City BBQ.

Bagels aren't inherently better because they're made in New York City.

NEW YORK CITY???!

Funny thing about bread. The water, specifically the minerals in the water, affects the final product.
So while useless people can argue about which is better, they would be different.
But yeah.

There is also mythology about the airborne  yeasts of the bay area, precursor to sour dough and all that. So maybe.


Terroir is certainly a thing, but nothing to be snobby about.
 
2021-03-08 11:07:39 PM  

Billy Liar: Okay, fine, you get the prize for the best boiled bread or stale doughnuts or whatever they are.  May as well chew on a length of rope.


Unmalted pretzels would be the best description.

farking salt bagels are the best bagels
 
2021-03-08 11:19:46 PM  

cretinbob: Jack Sabbath: What a stupid concept, that some region makes a better food item than can be made in another region.

People travel.

Take a Kansas City BBQ recipe and take it to Idaho and it tastes exactly the same as Kansas City BBQ.

Bagels aren't inherently better because they're made in New York City.

NEW YORK CITY???!

Funny thing about bread. The water, specifically the minerals in the water, affects the final product.
So while useless people can argue about which is better, they would be different.
But yeah.


The water is too alkaline west of the Mississippi.
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2021-03-09 12:02:00 AM  
Smart cool people know that the  best bagels are called "donuts."

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2021-03-09 12:14:00 AM  

Axeofjudgement: El_Frijole_Blanco: Axeofjudgement: I do love the Irony of it being the New York Times.

Then again Southern Californians swear they have better tacos than Texas.

And I'll tell you that's patently false. I'd say the only thing California does better is sushi in the bay area. I've had some amazing sushi in SF and in Berkley.

Texas tacos suck donkey balls

STAY IN CALIFORNIA WHERE YOU BELONG.


Best tacos in the country? Red Lodge Montana. Don't believe me? Good stay away. More for me.
 
2021-03-09 12:48:12 AM  

Axeofjudgement: I do love the Irony of it being the New York Times.

Then again Southern Californians swear they have better tacos than Texas.

And I'll tell you that's patently false. I'd say the only thing California does better is sushi in the bay area. I've had some amazing sushi in SF and in Berkley.


Idk man, smoked tri-tip tacos are really, really good, as are fresh California style seafood tacos.

Now breakfast burritos, those I've never had better than in Texas, not even in Mexico.
 
2021-03-09 1:23:56 AM  

natazha: sdd2000: Clarence Brown: SF had great bagels. LA, not so much, but they might have gotten better. Some NY bagels are good, and some aren't.

Saying a region has "better" bagels than another is like claiming that some region has "better" chocolate chip cookies. It depends on what you like.

Unless you like blueberry bagels. Then you're just confusing donuts and bagels and have no right to an opinion on the issue.

A blueberry bagel ain't a bagel, it is a dried up danish.

Blueberry scones are much better, using home-grown berries of course.


FTFA, lol -

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2021-03-09 1:24:22 AM  
also FTFA

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2021-03-09 1:29:12 AM  

HighwayBill: And on topic, about bagels:

I was in Rochester, NY in the 90s, and ordered a toasted bagel at a bagel shop in a mall of all places. They did not even have a toaster.  So, worst bagels: Rochester.

One of the best that is no longer: Greg's Bagels in Baltimore.  They had a great selection of different types of smoked salmon.  Also the colossus bagel, which was like an everything bagel with fennel.


I think the NYC purist ethos is that you should never toast bagels. which, personally, fark that prescriptivist noise. the most outstanding new york bagel is only further elevated by light toasting. and the lowliest of crizappy freezer-section "bagels" need all the help they can get, so yeah, also toasting.

or if the place's kitchen has a grill, so much the better.
 
2021-03-09 2:45:22 AM  

HighwayBill: And on topic, about bagels:

I was in Rochester, NY in the 90s, and ordered a toasted bagel at a bagel shop in a mall of all places. They did not even have a toaster.  So, worst bagels: Rochester.

One of the best that is no longer: Greg's Bagels in Baltimore.  They had a great selection of different types of smoked salmon.  Also the colossus bagel, which was like an everything bagel with fennel.


I've had good bagels in Rochester. Boss at a place I used to work would bring them in occasionally. I never asked the name of the place she got em, she just called it "the Jewish bakery".
 
2021-03-09 4:20:09 AM  
seems legit.

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2021-03-09 11:17:14 AM  

tintar: HighwayBill: And on topic, about bagels:

I was in Rochester, NY in the 90s, and ordered a toasted bagel at a bagel shop in a mall of all places. They did not even have a toaster.  So, worst bagels: Rochester.

One of the best that is no longer: Greg's Bagels in Baltimore.  They had a great selection of different types of smoked salmon.  Also the colossus bagel, which was like an everything bagel with fennel.

I think the NYC purist ethos is that you should never toast bagels. which, personally, fark that prescriptivist noise. the most outstanding new york bagel is only further elevated by light toasting. and the lowliest of crizappy freezer-section "bagels" need all the help they can get, so yeah, also toasting.

or if the place's kitchen has a grill, so much the better.


cream cheese topping, not toasted
buttered, toasted
 
2021-03-09 12:11:03 PM  

Axeofjudgement: El_Frijole_Blanco: Axeofjudgement: El_Frijole_Blanco: Axeofjudgement: I do love the Irony of it being the New York Times.

Then again Southern Californians swear they have better tacos than Texas.

And I'll tell you that's patently false. I'd say the only thing California does better is sushi in the bay area. I've had some amazing sushi in SF and in Berkley.

Texas tacos suck donkey balls

STAY IN CALIFORNIA WHERE YOU BELONG.

Originally from Arizona where they have real cowboys and tacos

Well... when i worked in Arizona tacos weren't the thing I was looking for. I was trying to keep from dying on reflective roofs in sun city and Phoenix.

You people are just monsters and your skin has to be like leather.

And I'm sure the people of Wyoming would like to talk to you. They love their cowboys and those people have nothing else to live for.

Also unless you're an old jeep or a retiree. The sun and dryness keep those people and jeeps going.

/seriously amazing condition old jeeps in Arizona


Old Volkswagens too
When I was in the Navy I would bring Phoenix beetles I bought for $300-500 to Seattle to sell for $2000 and that was in the 90's
 
2021-03-09 12:44:37 PM  

Axeofjudgement: I do love the Irony of it being the New York Times.

Then again Southern Californians swear they have better tacos than Texas.

And I'll tell you that's patently false. I'd say the only thing California does better is sushi in the bay area. I've had some amazing sushi in SF and in Berkley.


California most definitely has better tacos than Texas. It's not even close. There are some decent examples in Texas, but they do not come close to what you can get from almost any place in LA, and you just cannot get come close to the really good tacos that can be had in LA, literally anywhere in Texas. I would love for you to prove me wrong, so shoot.

Difficulty: 33 years in CA, 13 years in Texas
 
2021-03-09 12:55:54 PM  

robodog: Axeofjudgement: I do love the Irony of it being the New York Times.

Then again Southern Californians swear they have better tacos than Texas.

And I'll tell you that's patently false. I'd say the only thing California does better is sushi in the bay area. I've had some amazing sushi in SF and in Berkley.

Idk man, smoked tri-tip tacos are really, really good, as are fresh California style seafood tacos.

Now breakfast burritos, those I've never had better than in Texas, not even in Mexico.


I have never seen a breakfast burrito anywhere in Texas. Breakfast tacos are everywhere (and vary wildly in quality from gross to just ok), but actual breakfast burritos like you would get from a truck in SoCal don't exist here.
 
2021-03-09 1:10:06 PM  

petec: cream cheese topping, not toasted
buttered, toasted


I'm ok with this!
 
2021-03-09 2:50:56 PM  

Pesky_Humans: Axeofjudgement: I do love the Irony of it being the New York Times.

Then again Southern Californians swear they have better tacos than Texas.

And I'll tell you that's patently false. I'd say the only thing California does better is sushi in the bay area. I've had some amazing sushi in SF and in Berkley.

California most definitely has better tacos than Texas. It's not even close. There are some decent examples in Texas, but they do not come close to what you can get from almost any place in LA, and you just cannot get come close to the really good tacos that can be had in LA, literally anywhere in Texas. I would love for you to prove me wrong, so shoot.

Difficulty: 33 years in CA, 13 years in Texas


As far as California goes, my favorite Mexican food can be found Milpas Street in Santa Barbara.

SF puts rice in the burritos.  🤮
LA has great Mexican food, but Milpas Street is the best.
 
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