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(CBC)   President Biden's final version of the $1.9 trillion COVID-19 relief package did not include money for fixing the bridge between New York and Ontario, Canada. Suck it Canucks trying to get into the great USA. Oh, wait   (cbc.ca) divider line
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2021-03-08 12:01:50 PM  
Unless the bridge is suffering from Long COVID... come on, now.
 
2021-03-08 12:08:05 PM  
WTF is bridge funding doing in a covid relief bill?

/This is one of the reasons politicians are reviled
 
2021-03-08 12:24:01 PM  
It includes items relevant to economic recovery... I mean they've only said that like 53,000 times.
 
2021-03-08 1:34:48 PM  
Don't worry, they'll fix it once it collapses. That's how we do most things here in murica.
 
2021-03-08 1:41:15 PM  
Needs fixing because the Canadians keep sabotaging their side.
 
2021-03-08 1:42:33 PM  
So, no bridge to nowhere?
 
2021-03-08 1:44:14 PM  
I mean, the plan was always to work on an infrastructure bill after COVID relief, right? Wouldn't this be the definition of an infrastructure item?
 
2021-03-08 1:44:36 PM  
It also did not include money for washing my socks.
 
2021-03-08 1:45:25 PM  

hammettman: So, no bridge to nowhere?


That farking ad made my coworkers dumber than they already were at the time.
 
2021-03-08 1:45:27 PM  

Soup4Bonnie: It also did not include money for washing my socks.


Isn't that what the $1400 is for?
 
2021-03-08 1:47:51 PM  
"Democrats pulled that item, and some other items, out of the Senate bill to help silence the naysayers and ease its adoption."

And so Republicans like Cruz just moved on to other things like lying about the bill sending checks to illegal immigrants.

Stop listening to these assholes because they can't and won't be satisfied by anything you do, ever.
 
2021-03-08 1:48:15 PM  
Where'd I leave that.. oh here it is.

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2021-03-08 1:48:45 PM  
Man, Ontario is BIG. I mean, I knew the Canadian provinces were big, but driving directions just to Ontario are 13 hours, but from the NY town where the bridge was proposed, to the Canadian city, it's just 21 minutes. Presumably, the 13 hour drive is to the center of Ontario.
 
2021-03-08 1:53:15 PM  

Mikey1969: Man, Ontario is BIG. I mean, I knew the Canadian provinces were big, but driving directions just to Ontario are 13 hours, but from the NY town where the bridge was proposed, to the Canadian city, it's just 21 minutes. Presumably, the 13 hour drive is to the center of Ontario.


And the universe.
 
2021-03-08 1:53:24 PM  
Don't worry - its gonna be 6 months at least, before anyone will need to use it, most likely.

I'm sure the infrastructure bill will be underway, by then - just in time to cause huge traffic jams on the Peace Bridge.
 
2021-03-08 1:53:44 PM  

I am Tom Joad's Complete Lack of Surprise: Unless the bridge is suffering from Long COVID... come on, now.


What could a major commercial border crossing have to do with the economic devastation wrought by COVID?
 
2021-03-08 1:55:27 PM  

Gestalt: I mean, the plan was always to work on an infrastructure bill after COVID relief, right? Wouldn't this be the definition of an infrastructure item?


Yeah, they cram too much shiat into these bills that isn't related to the topic at hand. Sure, there will be some jobs and shiat, but there needs to be a line where people aren't allowed to cram more shiat into the bill that is only tangentially related, related in a weak way like this, or not related at all.

By all means, put it into an infrastructure bill. We definitely need to improve roads and bridges all over the country.
 
2021-03-08 1:56:06 PM  
stay out of canada, plague rats
 
2021-03-08 1:57:57 PM  

NewportBarGuy: It includes items relevant to economic recovery... I mean they've only said that like 53,000 times.



Yeah, but Republicans have repeated their BS talking points millions of times, so their messaging tends to win out.

Propaganda on Hate Radio works.
 
2021-03-08 1:59:25 PM  
Maybe we shouldn't tie bridge maintenance funding to tolls which decrease during economic downturns so that our infrastructure doesn't rot? I'd be willing to bet maintenance is cheaper than a new bridge, but that requires forward thinking.
 
2021-03-08 2:00:05 PM  

MaudlinMutantMollusk: WTF is bridge funding doing in a covid relief bill?

/This is one of the reasons politicians are reviled


Yes, not understanding that politics involves compromise and negotiation is one reason politicians are reviled by idiots.
 
2021-03-08 2:01:53 PM  
That high speed rail tho'
 
2021-03-08 2:11:32 PM  
More walls, Fewer bridges.
 
2021-03-08 2:14:28 PM  
Seems like a good thing for an infrastructure bill, if it needs it, but it might not.


Delc: I'd be willing to bet maintenance is cheaper than a new bridge, but that requires forward thinking.


Which they've done, apparently.

From TFA:
"The bridge itself is in decent physical shape after millions of dollars in renovations over the last decade."

This is basically a non-story.  The CBC is reporting on it only because it was removed from the bill, not because the bridge especially needs the money.
 
2021-03-08 2:15:41 PM  
Huh, I thought it was going to be the Ambassador Bridge in Windsor the Yank who owns the bridge is constantly grifting to keep it the only bridge to Detroit. I'm surprised it is the Ivy Lea Bridge.
 
2021-03-08 2:22:40 PM  

Public Call Box: Huh, I thought it was going to be the Ambassador Bridge in Windsor the Yank who owns the bridge is constantly grifting to keep it the only bridge to Detroit. I'm surprised it is the Ivy Lea Bridge.


Detroit isn't in New York :)

Sounds like it might be interesting to read up on, though. Care to point me towards any interesting articles on the grifting Yank?

Also...do we even need 2 bridges to Detroit?
 
2021-03-08 2:30:17 PM  

MaudlinMutantMollusk: WTF is bridge funding doing in a covid relief bill?

/This is one of the reasons politicians are reviled


Because it's not an isolated "COVID Relief" bill. They're using reconciliation to insert some COVID funding into the overall government budget.
 
2021-03-08 2:33:06 PM  

MaudlinMutantMollusk: WTF is bridge funding doing in a covid relief bill?

/This is one of the reasons politicians are reviled


Assuming you're seriously asking, the reason this happens is because of the filibuster. The budget reconciliation process is filibuster-proof, and that's why it's the only way to get, say, a federal library funded in Harlem without some Republican asshole reading One Fish, Two Fish for 12 hours to stop black kids from getting a library.

Another good reason to nuke the filibuster.

More details:

https://www.nbcnews.com/politics/cong​r​ess/what-budget-reconciliation-explain​er-fast-track-process-covid-relief-n12​56592
 
2021-03-08 2:36:36 PM  

Portkey: Public Call Box: Huh, I thought it was going to be the Ambassador Bridge in Windsor the Yank who owns the bridge is constantly grifting to keep it the only bridge to Detroit. I'm surprised it is the Ivy Lea Bridge.

Detroit isn't in New York :)

Sounds like it might be interesting to read up on, though. Care to point me towards any interesting articles on the grifting Yank?

Also...do we even need 2 bridges to Detroit?


Some information here, apparently the bridge owner died last year:
https://www.cbc.ca/news/canada/windso​r​/self-made-billionaire-and-owner-of-th​e-ambassador-bridge-dies-at-93-1.56478​19
 
2021-03-08 2:47:29 PM  

dywed88: I am Tom Joad's Complete Lack of Surprise: Unless the bridge is suffering from Long COVID... come on, now.

What could a major commercial border crossing have to do with the economic devastation wrought by COVID?


About the same as a butterfly wing flap causing a hurricane.

Get a grip.
 
2021-03-08 2:47:33 PM  

Portkey: Public Call Box: Huh, I thought it was going to be the Ambassador Bridge in Windsor the Yank who owns the bridge is constantly grifting to keep it the only bridge to Detroit. I'm surprised it is the Ivy Lea Bridge.

Detroit isn't in New York :)

Sounds like it might be interesting to read up on, though. Care to point me towards any interesting articles on the grifting Yank?

Also...do we even need 2 bridges to Detroit?


Well obviously I had my FARK-ready comment typed and ready to go before I read the article!

/I mean I have my standards you know.
 
2021-03-08 2:49:11 PM  

awruk!: Portkey: Public Call Box: Huh, I thought it was going to be the Ambassador Bridge in Windsor the Yank who owns the bridge is constantly grifting to keep it the only bridge to Detroit. I'm surprised it is the Ivy Lea Bridge.

Detroit isn't in New York :)

Sounds like it might be interesting to read up on, though. Care to point me towards any interesting articles on the grifting Yank?

Also...do we even need 2 bridges to Detroit?

Some information here, apparently the bridge owner died last year:
https://www.cbc.ca/news/canada/windsor​/self-made-billionaire-and-owner-of-th​e-ambassador-bridge-dies-at-93-1.56478​19


I think the plan at one point was to phase out the Ambassador and bring in a newer bridge, obviously he had a problem with that...though not anymore apparently.
 
2021-03-08 3:00:27 PM  

Public Call Box: Huh, I thought it was going to be the Ambassador Bridge in Windsor the Yank who owns the bridge is constantly grifting to keep it the only bridge to Detroit. I'm surprised it is the Ivy Lea Bridge.


When they said New York-Ontario bridge, I assumed it was going to be about the Peace Bridge, which is one of the busiest US-Canada border crossings and has been badly in need of serious renovation or replacement for decades.
 
2021-03-08 3:05:31 PM  

Mikey1969: Man, Ontario is BIG. I mean, I knew the Canadian provinces were big, but driving directions just to Ontario are 13 hours, but from the NY town where the bridge was proposed, to the Canadian city, it's just 21 minutes. Presumably, the 13 hour drive is to the center of Ontario.


If you drive 8 hours a day, and don't speed, it can take 3 days from Montreal to the Manitoba border.
 
2021-03-08 3:25:47 PM  

Dknsvsbl: Mikey1969: Man, Ontario is BIG. I mean, I knew the Canadian provinces were big, but driving directions just to Ontario are 13 hours, but from the NY town where the bridge was proposed, to the Canadian city, it's just 21 minutes. Presumably, the 13 hour drive is to the center of Ontario.

If you drive 8 hours a day, and don't speed, it can take 3 days from Montreal to the Manitoba border.


So about 2 and quarter American days then?
 
2021-03-08 3:27:23 PM  

Mikey1969: Gestalt: I mean, the plan was always to work on an infrastructure bill after COVID relief, right? Wouldn't this be the definition of an infrastructure item?

Yeah, they cram too much shiat into these bills that isn't related to the topic at hand. Sure, there will be some jobs and shiat, but there needs to be a line where people aren't allowed to cram more shiat into the bill that is only tangentially related, related in a weak way like this, or not related at all.

By all means, put it into an infrastructure bill. We definitely need to improve roads and bridges all over the country.


Well most of it may as well not exist for 99.9% of people in the province. But yes, it is really farking big, almost twice the size of Texas. But it is also a weird share with a huge swathe of land to the north-west with everything concentrated in the southeast edge. Actually kind of like a more extreme New York State in a way.


It is quite funny when Europeans are planning a trip thinking they can just take a quick drive between places that are twelve plus hours apart. I suppose the North-eastern US is more on the scale of Europe in terms of human geography with things far more concentrated compared to Canada or the western US.

See also:
Canada's Really Big
Youtube XhiDILWFXBE
 
2021-03-08 3:29:16 PM  

Dknsvsbl: Mikey1969: Man, Ontario is BIG. I mean, I knew the Canadian provinces were big, but driving directions just to Ontario are 13 hours, but from the NY town where the bridge was proposed, to the Canadian city, it's just 21 minutes. Presumably, the 13 hour drive is to the center of Ontario.

If you drive 8 hours a day, and don't speed, it can take 3 days from Montreal to the Manitoba border.


I can vouch for that.  It takes 2 days (24 hours of driving) just to get across Ontario.  Ontario lies down horizontally on the border.  The Western Provinces are vertical - and you can drive across two of them in a day.
 
2021-03-08 3:30:07 PM  

Public Call Box: Huh, I thought it was going to be the Ambassador Bridge in Windsor the Yank who owns the bridge is constantly grifting to keep it the only bridge to Detroit. I'm surprised it is the Ivy Lea Bridge.


That is what I thought to. But I think Maroun has bunt his bridges with everyone and they aren't going to bat for him.
 
2021-03-08 3:38:26 PM  

AthensBoy: Soup4Bonnie: It also did not include money for washing my socks.

Isn't that what the $1400 is for?


What am I going to do with one clean sock?
 
2021-03-08 3:45:27 PM  

Portkey: Public Call Box: Huh, I thought it was going to be the Ambassador Bridge in Windsor the Yank who owns the bridge is constantly grifting to keep it the only bridge to Detroit. I'm surprised it is the Ivy Lea Bridge.

Detroit isn't in New York :)

Sounds like it might be interesting to read up on, though. Care to point me towards any interesting articles on the grifting Yank?

Also...do we even need 2 bridges to Detroit?


Yes, as soon as the new bridge is open you are probably going to have a legitimate discussion of a fourth border crossing is needed in the Detroit area (there is also a tunnel).

But beyond capacity the Ambassador Bridge is in a really awful location. The new location will make commercial traffic much more efficient.
 
2021-03-08 4:23:59 PM  

awruk!: Portkey: Public Call Box: Huh, I thought it was going to be the Ambassador Bridge in Windsor the Yank who owns the bridge is constantly grifting to keep it the only bridge to Detroit. I'm surprised it is the Ivy Lea Bridge.

Detroit isn't in New York :)

Sounds like it might be interesting to read up on, though. Care to point me towards any interesting articles on the grifting Yank?

Also...do we even need 2 bridges to Detroit?

Some information here, apparently the bridge owner died last year:
https://www.cbc.ca/news/canada/windsor​/self-made-billionaire-and-owner-of-th​e-ambassador-bridge-dies-at-93-1.56478​19


I think it is his awful wife running the scam now.
 
2021-03-08 4:37:02 PM  

dywed88: It is quite funny when Europeans are planning a trip thinking they can just take a quick drive between places that are twelve plus hours apart. I suppose the North-eastern US is more on the scale of Europe in terms of human geography with things far more concentrated compared to Canada or the western US.


CSB(s)
When I was a kid, my great uncles visited from Norway.  We took them to our cottage near Kenora, ON (2 hours away).  They couldn't believe that we were still in the same country, let alone barely out of the province, after a drive of that length.

A friend (also in Manitoba) had relatives visiting from Germany.  One morning, they announced they were driving to the mountains and would be back around supper time.  They had no idea it was a three day drive.
/CSB
 
2021-03-08 4:51:36 PM  
We've got.our universal.health care, lower.covid rates, $15 minimum wage. The only reason to want the boarder open is so you guys come spend money here, and considering how terrible you are at basic social responsibility amongst a pandemic, we don't need your money so much.
 
2021-03-08 5:33:16 PM  

Slide10000: dywed88: It is quite funny when Europeans are planning a trip thinking they can just take a quick drive between places that are twelve plus hours apart. I suppose the North-eastern US is more on the scale of Europe in terms of human geography with things far more concentrated compared to Canada or the western US.

CSB(s)
When I was a kid, my great uncles visited from Norway.  We took them to our cottage near Kenora, ON (2 hours away).  They couldn't believe that we were still in the same country, let alone barely out of the province, after a drive of that length.

A friend (also in Manitoba) had relatives visiting from Germany.  One morning, they announced they were driving to the mountains and would be back around supper time.  They had no idea it was a three day drive.
/CSB


A distant relative of a family member was coming from Britain. He told her his plans: to spend the night in Barrie and the next day visit Niagara Falls and spend the evening in Montreal. Definitely a doable trip, but not on a casual vacation schedule with sight seeing mixed in.

She sent him to Google Maps and he quickly revised his itinerary.

In all fairness to Europeans, the opposite definitely happens to Canadians going to Western Europe. But planning for excessively long travel times is a lot less of an issue.
 
2021-03-08 7:16:31 PM  

Doc Daneeka: Public Call Box: Huh, I thought it was going to be the Ambassador Bridge in Windsor the Yank who owns the bridge is constantly grifting to keep it the only bridge to Detroit. I'm surprised it is the Ivy Lea Bridge.

When they said New York-Ontario bridge, I assumed it was going to be about the Peace Bridge, which is one of the busiest US-Canada border crossings and has been badly in need of serious renovation or replacement for decades.


They completed $100 million in repairs to the Peace Bridge in 2019
 
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