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(History Channel)   On this day in history, in 1971, Muhammad Ali battled Frazier in the 'Fight of the Century' for the heavyweight championship, which was awarded by unanimous consent to Frazier in spite of the wacky hi jinks of his brother Niles   (history.com) divider line
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2021-03-08 3:29:33 PM  
Sorry, this was the real Fight of the Century:

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2021-03-08 4:59:38 PM  
Look up some of the horrible things Ali said about Frazier. How he was not an "authentic black man" etc.

Ali was not a great human being.
 
2021-03-08 5:02:02 PM  
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2021-03-08 5:04:03 PM  
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2021-03-08 5:05:48 PM  
His mama call him Clay, I'mma call him Clay.
 
2021-03-08 5:07:51 PM  

dothemath: Look up some of the horrible things Ali said about Frazier. How he was not an "authentic black man" etc.

Ali was not a great human being.


most professional fighters are not brain trusts. beating up people for money does not take much education.
 
2021-03-08 5:19:35 PM  

sinko swimo: dothemath: Look up some of the horrible things Ali said about Frazier. How he was not an "authentic black man" etc.

Ali was not a great human being.

most professional fighters are not brain trusts. beating up people for money does not take much education.


It doesnt take any education at all to be a decent human being.
 
2021-03-08 5:23:03 PM  
Ali vs. Frazier was pretty incredible.

But I'm fascinated by the fact that this is the second match called "The Fight of The Century." The first one being Joe Louis, a black American, versus Max Schmeling, a Jewish German, fought in Germany in 1936. And that match, which has a ton of story potential, has not received much attention in popular media.
 
2021-03-08 5:25:24 PM  
Okay I've got a story to go along with this.  In college, I had a roommate named Dave.  In a previous life he had been a bill-collector.  One night he was sent out to repossess a TV set.  He showed up at the address.  It was the evening of the Ali Frazier Fight.  Dave's a small White guy.  He announced to the eight large burly Black guys watching the TV, that he was there to take it.  They looked at him.  They looked at each other.  They looked back at Dave.  They laughed.

Amusingly, they were good-natured about it, and after making it clear that Dave would not be taking the TV, invited him to stay and watch the fight.  He didn't.
 
2021-03-08 5:28:54 PM  

dothemath: Look up some of the horrible things Ali said about Frazier. How he was not an "authentic black man" etc.

Ali was not a great human being.


Ali would say and do anything to hype a fight. He could sell out matches like no other. He also did his best to get fights with lesser known boxers who needed paydays. And give money to downtrodden people he saw in all corners of the globe. And generally just cared about people.

https://www.nytimes.com/interactive/2​0​16/12/21/magazine/the-lives-they-lived​-muhammad-ali.html
 
2021-03-08 5:30:37 PM  
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2021-03-08 5:35:48 PM  

dothemath: Look up some of the horrible things Ali said about Frazier. How he was not an "authentic black man" etc.

Ali was not a great human being.


Sounds like modern identity politics to me. He was ahead of his time.
 
2021-03-08 5:35:48 PM  

Nosatril: dothemath: Look up some of the horrible things Ali said about Frazier. How he was not an "authentic black man" etc.

Ali was not a great human being.

Ali would say and do anything to hype a fight. He could sell out matches like no other. He also did his best to get fights with lesser known boxers who needed paydays. And give money to downtrodden people he saw in all corners of the globe. And generally just cared about people.

https://www.nytimes.com/interactive/20​16/12/21/magazine/the-lives-they-lived​-muhammad-ali.html

 
2021-03-08 5:38:44 PM  

dothemath: Look up some of the horrible things Ali said about Frazier. How he was not an "authentic black man" etc.

Ali was not a great human being.


yea, well neither is Kelsey Grammer, who is one 'ambien' away from losing his new show.
 
2021-03-08 5:39:26 PM  
Billy Liar:
Was going to say that when Joe Louis "did his best to get fights with lesser-known boxers", they called it "The Bum of the Month Club".
 
2021-03-08 5:40:14 PM  

DerAppie: dothemath: Look up some of the horrible things Ali said about Frazier. How he was not an "authentic black man" etc.

Ali was not a great human being.

Sounds like modern identity politics to me. He was ahead of his time.


Ah yes, there's that ol' fashion Fark racism
 
2021-03-08 5:49:10 PM  
Frasier and Niles Become Demon Lords
Youtube 2bUV9PJfbJ0
 
2021-03-08 6:11:10 PM  

dothemath: Look up some of the horrible things Ali said about Frazier. How he was not an "authentic black man" etc.

Ali was not a great human being.


He was hyping a fight. Ali is a farkin legend, you ain't shiat.
 
2021-03-08 6:21:30 PM  

Creepy Lurker Guy: Okay I've got a story to go along with this.  In college, I had a roommate named Dave.  In a previous life he had been a bill-collector.  One night he was sent out to repossess a TV set.  He showed up at the address.  It was the evening of the Ali Frazier Fight.  Dave's a small White guy.  He announced to the eight large burly Black guys watching the TV, that he was there to take it.  They looked at him.  They looked at each other.  They looked back at Dave.  They laughed.

Amusingly, they were good-natured about it, and after making it clear that Dave would not be taking the TV, invited him to stay and watch the fight.  He didn't.


This is possible if it were Ali/Frazier II or III. But their first fight was only available on closed circuit television. If you weren't actually in Madison Square Garden for 1, you would've only seen the fight at an extremely large venue. Many movie theaters and sporting/concert venues sold tickets. The Spectrum in Philadelphia was sold out to watch the fight on CC TV.
 
2021-03-08 6:23:05 PM  

Mad_Radhu: Sorry, this was the real Fight of the Century:

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Best part of that cover is Batman just chilling in the crowd.
 
2021-03-08 6:24:14 PM  
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2021-03-08 6:30:11 PM  

dothemath: Look up some of the horrible things Ali said about Frazier. How he was not an "authentic black man" etc.

Ali was not a great human being.


Is that before or after Frazier kept calling him Clay?

Don't start fights if you can't take hits back. Ask Ernie Terrell, when he's done drooling on himself in the corner.
 
2021-03-08 6:42:16 PM  

Kid Lester: This is possible if it were Ali/Frazier II or III. But their first fight was only available on closed circuit television.


Dunno.  I'm only telling the story as it was told to me by Dave.
 
2021-03-08 6:57:14 PM  
Real fight of the century:

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2021-03-08 7:18:51 PM  
Me, lifelong bleeding heart liberal. My brother, a Green Beret who served as security for Gen. Westmoreland.
Me. Frazier fan. My brother, loved Ali, absolutely, positively loved Ali.
 
2021-03-08 7:25:15 PM  

dothemath: Look up some of the horrible things Ali said about Frazier. How he was not an "authentic black man" etc.

Ali was not a great human being.


Uh, let's not get questionable exhibition of competitiveness confused with the fabric that is the human. Look up all of Ali's acts sometime
 
2021-03-08 7:28:14 PM  

Bandito King: Mad_Radhu: Sorry, this was the real Fight of the Century:

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Best part of that cover is Batman just chilling in the crowd.


And hanging out with Jimmy Carter and a young Bueno Excellente:

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2021-03-08 7:37:07 PM  
Futurama - 80 foot tall mechanical Joe Frazier
Youtube lrQ59MdA7IY
 
2021-03-08 7:52:16 PM  
I met Ali after he gave a talk in 1967. He was charming, gracious, and very giving of his time. He was funny and quick witted. A great champion, yes, the greatest.
 
2021-03-08 8:04:08 PM  

Nosatril: dothemath: Look up some of the horrible things Ali said about Frazier. How he was not an "authentic black man" etc.

Ali was not a great human being.

Ali would say and do anything to hype a fight. He could sell out matches like no other. He also did his best to get fights with lesser known boxers who needed paydays. And give money to downtrodden people he saw in all corners of the globe. And generally just cared about people.

https://www.nytimes.com/interactive/20​16/12/21/magazine/the-lives-they-lived​-muhammad-ali.html


Ali talked trash about his opponent in the media because it sold tickets, and gave both fighters a bigger payday, that day, and in the near future, for both of them.  Those were the start of the pay per view days.
Ali talked trash about his opponents because he understood psyops, and could have someone beaten before the bell rang. The smarter ones also understood this, and ignored it. Most took it personal, and it caused them to make mistakes in the ring as their thinking was clouded by rage.
Ali needed every edge he could get. Norton, Frazier, Shavers, Foreman were scary good.
 
2021-03-08 8:40:50 PM  

Al Tsheimers: Nosatril: dothemath: Look up some of the horrible things Ali said about Frazier. How he was not an "authentic black man" etc.

Ali was not a great human being.

Ali would say and do anything to hype a fight. He could sell out matches like no other. He also did his best to get fights with lesser known boxers who needed paydays. And give money to downtrodden people he saw in all corners of the globe. And generally just cared about people.

https://www.nytimes.com/interactive/20​16/12/21/magazine/the-lives-they-lived​-muhammad-ali.html

Ali talked trash about his opponent in the media because it sold tickets, and gave both fighters a bigger payday, that day, and in the near future, for both of them.  Those were the start of the pay per view days.
Ali talked trash about his opponents because he understood psyops, and could have someone beaten before the bell rang. The smarter ones also understood this, and ignored it. Most took it personal, and it caused them to make mistakes in the ring as their thinking was clouded by rage.
Ali needed every edge he could get. Norton, Frazier, Shavers, Foreman were scary good.


Ali was the first boxer that was "media savvy" (though that wasn't a word yet) and while he could back it up, he was one of the first to push the public's buttons; pair him up with a like mind like Howard Cosell and you had a marketing force.  Of course, Ali borrowed heavily from the wrestler Gorgeous George and pushed it for all it was worth - cocky confidence and a line of "I'm so pretty...", Ali added a level of Entertainment that boxing didn't know it needed. George was the recent and well-known pro wrestler  that people "loved to hate".
 
2021-03-08 9:11:33 PM  

Al Tsheimers: Nosatril: dothemath: Look up some of the horrible things Ali said about Frazier. How he was not an "authentic black man" etc.

Ali was not a great human being.

Ali would say and do anything to hype a fight. He could sell out matches like no other. He also did his best to get fights with lesser known boxers who needed paydays. And give money to downtrodden people he saw in all corners of the globe. And generally just cared about people.

https://www.nytimes.com/interactive/20​16/12/21/magazine/the-lives-they-lived​-muhammad-ali.html

Ali talked trash about his opponent in the media because it sold tickets, and gave both fighters a bigger payday, that day, and in the near future, for both of them.  Those were the start of the pay per view days.
Ali talked trash about his opponents because he understood psyops, and could have someone beaten before the bell rang. The smarter ones also understood this, and ignored it. Most took it personal, and it caused them to make mistakes in the ring as their thinking was clouded by rage.
Ali needed every edge he could get. Norton, Frazier, Shavers, Foreman were scary good.


Whatever Ali's reasons were, I don't think Frazier ever forgave Ali. If I remember correctly, Frazier said something about wanting to shove Ali "into the fire" when he was the last in line to light the Olympic torch in 96.
And the punch he drops Ali with in their first fight is a thing of beauty.
 
2021-03-08 9:13:34 PM  

Your_Huckleberry: Al Tsheimers: Nosatril: dothemath: Look up some of the horrible things Ali said about Frazier. How he was not an "authentic black man" etc.

Ali was not a great human being.

Ali would say and do anything to hype a fight. He could sell out matches like no other. He also did his best to get fights with lesser known boxers who needed paydays. And give money to downtrodden people he saw in all corners of the globe. And generally just cared about people.

https://www.nytimes.com/interactive/20​16/12/21/magazine/the-lives-they-lived​-muhammad-ali.html

Ali talked trash about his opponent in the media because it sold tickets, and gave both fighters a bigger payday, that day, and in the near future, for both of them.  Those were the start of the pay per view days.
Ali talked trash about his opponents because he understood psyops, and could have someone beaten before the bell rang. The smarter ones also understood this, and ignored it. Most took it personal, and it caused them to make mistakes in the ring as their thinking was clouded by rage.
Ali needed every edge he could get. Norton, Frazier, Shavers, Foreman were scary good.

Whatever Ali's reasons were, I don't think Frazier ever forgave Ali. If I remember correctly, Frazier said something about wanting to shove Ali "into the fire" when he was the last in line to light the Olympic torch in 96.
And the punch he drops Ali with in their first fight is a thing of beauty.


Guess I should have read the whole article...
 
2021-03-08 9:57:22 PM  
DOWN GOES.....oh wait. That was the other Frazier fight. Never mind.
 
2021-03-08 11:40:05 PM  

Bandito King: Is that before or after Frazier kept calling him Clay?

Don't start fights if you can't take hits back. Ask Ernie Terrell, when he's done drooling on himself in the corner.


I dunno, calling a guy that changed his name by his birth name to get under his skin is a bit different than calling someone an Uncle Tom (not to mention another thing I'll let people do independent research on for fear of Fark timeouts) and never apologizing directly afterwards even if you claim it was all shiat-talk.

It's pretty easy to find Youtube listacles of combat sports dudes that crossed one line or another in the lead-up, usually race or family, and got their asses handed them in the ring. I'm sure Cowboy's in all of em.
 
2021-03-09 9:08:01 AM  

BlazeTrailer: dothemath: Look up some of the horrible things Ali said about Frazier. How he was not an "authentic black man" etc.

Ali was not a great human being.

Uh, let's not get questionable exhibition of competitiveness confused with the fabric that is the human. Look up all of Ali's acts sometime


Ok, sure.

https://www.telegraph.co.uk/sport/oth​e​rsports/boxing/3419060/Muhammad-Alis-m​eetings-with-Ku-Klux-Klan-leaders-reve​aled-by-documentary-Boxing-and-MMA.htm​l
 
2021-03-09 9:08:39 AM  

TheJoe03: dothemath: Look up some of the horrible things Ali said about Frazier. How he was not an "authentic black man" etc.

Ali was not a great human being.

He was hyping a fight. Ali is a farkin legend, you ain't shiat.


https://www.telegraph.co.uk/sport/oth​e​rsports/boxing/3419060/Muhammad-Alis-m​eetings-with-Ku-Klux-Klan-leaders-reve​aled-by-documentary-Boxing-and-MMA.htm​l
 
2021-03-09 9:08:57 AM  

Nosatril: dothemath: Look up some of the horrible things Ali said about Frazier. How he was not an "authentic black man" etc.

Ali was not a great human being.

Ali would say and do anything to hype a fight. He could sell out matches like no other. He also did his best to get fights with lesser known boxers who needed paydays. And give money to downtrodden people he saw in all corners of the globe. And generally just cared about people.

https://www.nytimes.com/interactive/20​16/12/21/magazine/the-lives-they-lived​-muhammad-ali.html


https://www.telegraph.co.uk/sport/oth​e​rsports/boxing/3419060/Muhammad-Alis-m​eetings-with-Ku-Klux-Klan-leaders-reve​aled-by-documentary-Boxing-and-MMA.htm​l
 
2021-03-09 11:15:23 AM  

dothemath: BlazeTrailer: dothemath: Look up some of the horrible things Ali said about Frazier. How he was not an "authentic black man" etc.

Ali was not a great human being.

Uh, let's not get questionable exhibition of competitiveness confused with the fabric that is the human. Look up all of Ali's acts sometime

Ok, sure.

https://www.telegraph.co.uk/sport/othe​rsports/boxing/3419060/Muhammad-Alis-m​eetings-with-Ku-Klux-Klan-leaders-reve​aled-by-documentary-Boxing-and-MMA.htm​l


Ali: We don't want to be here
KKK: We do not want you here
Ali: At least we agree on something. Lets talk about how we can make that happen

dothemath; How dare you meet with the KKK!
 
2021-03-09 1:56:31 PM  

dothemath: Nosatril: dothemath: Look up some of the horrible things Ali said about Frazier. How he was not an "authentic black man" etc.

Ali was not a great human being.

Ali would say and do anything to hype a fight. He could sell out matches like no other. He also did his best to get fights with lesser known boxers who needed paydays. And give money to downtrodden people he saw in all corners of the globe. And generally just cared about people.

https://www.nytimes.com/interactive/20​16/12/21/magazine/the-lives-they-lived​-muhammad-ali.html

https://www.telegraph.co.uk/sport/othe​rsports/boxing/3419060/Muhammad-Alis-m​eetings-with-Ku-Klux-Klan-leaders-reve​aled-by-documentary-Boxing-and-MMA.htm​l


Muhammad Ali's Rare footage, boxing with Kid and Defeated, He was Legend. A must watch clip
Youtube eIBVYzM5gcA
 
2021-03-09 4:20:15 PM  

dothemath: Nosatril: dothemath: Look up some of the horrible things Ali said about Frazier. How he was not an "authentic black man" etc.

Ali was not a great human being.

Ali would say and do anything to hype a fight. He could sell out matches like no other. He also did his best to get fights with lesser known boxers who needed paydays. And give money to downtrodden people he saw in all corners of the globe. And generally just cared about people.

https://www.nytimes.com/interactive/20​16/12/21/magazine/the-lives-they-lived​-muhammad-ali.html

https://www.telegraph.co.uk/sport/othe​rsports/boxing/3419060/Muhammad-Alis-m​eetings-with-Ku-Klux-Klan-leaders-reve​aled-by-documentary-Boxing-and-MMA.htm​l


Nice, behind a paywall.
 
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