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(Washington Post)   Yes, it might 'only' be giving you $1,400, but Biden's Covid Relief Bill will cut American poverty by one third, making it the most progressive legislation passed since the 1930s   (washingtonpost.com) divider line
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2021-03-08 8:56:53 AM  
It sucks about the minimum wage, but yeah - this was way more progressive than anything I expected from Biden.
 
2021-03-08 9:01:42 AM  
Until it's taken out of your tax refund next year.
 
2021-03-08 9:05:24 AM  

toddalmighty: Until it's taken out of your tax refund next year.


As with the first two stimulus payments, the third stimulus check would be an advance payment of the recovery rebate tax credit for the 2021 tax year. As such, it wouldn't be included in your taxable income.
 
2021-03-08 9:13:07 AM  
It's the most progressive legislation passed since the last time we considered progressive legislation? Not a very high bar to clear.
 
2021-03-08 9:18:54 AM  

FlashHarry: It sucks about the minimum wage, but yeah - this was way more progressive than anything I expected from Biden.


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"Minimum Wage was just a red herring!"
 
2021-03-08 9:19:06 AM  
Any future college debt write offs will now be considered tax free as well. So there's another benefit just waiting to happen.
 
2021-03-08 9:19:42 AM  

AdmirableSnackbar: It's the most progressive legislation passed since the last time we considered progressive legislation? Not a very high bar to clear.


You weren't directly fellated by a unicorn, thus, everything in the bill is terrible and worse than what the Republicans would have done.
 
2021-03-08 9:23:17 AM  

Gubbo: AdmirableSnackbar: It's the most progressive legislation passed since the last time we considered progressive legislation? Not a very high bar to clear.

You weren't directly fellated by a unicorn, thus, everything in the bill is terrible and worse than what the Republicans would have done.



Don't recommend that first part, the recovery post horn-impalement wasn't too pleasant or covered by most HMOs
 
2021-03-08 9:33:24 AM  
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2021-03-08 9:35:10 AM  

OtherLittleGuy: FlashHarry: It sucks about the minimum wage, but yeah - this was way more progressive than anything I expected from Biden.

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"Minimum Wage was just a red herring!"


I know several hundred people who lost their jobs because we had to pay them New York's minimum wage, while factories in China paid their workers about a third of that for the same exact work.

But that's OK, they all learned to code or something.

Sarcasm aside, if you're going to set a minimum amount for workers to be paid, then you've also got to control cheap imports from countries that have much lower wages, or those people are going to lose their decent manufacturing jobs and end up stocking shelves at WalMart and Target, ironically stocking them with products from the country that put them out of work in the first place.

Perhaps the saddest thing I recall seeing was a former co-worker who was the supervisor in charge of the dye house working stocking shelves at Home Depot.
 
2021-03-08 9:40:43 AM  

SVC_conservative: Gubbo: AdmirableSnackbar: It's the most progressive legislation passed since the last time we considered progressive legislation? Not a very high bar to clear.

You weren't directly fellated by a unicorn, thus, everything in the bill is terrible and worse than what the Republicans would have done.


Don't recommend that first part, the recovery post horn-impalement wasn't too pleasant or covered by most HMOs


Oh, it also brought down Obamacare premiums. So that should be a little help
 
2021-03-08 9:41:54 AM  

dittybopper: OtherLittleGuy: FlashHarry: It sucks about the minimum wage, but yeah - this was way more progressive than anything I expected from Biden.

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"Minimum Wage was just a red herring!"

I know several hundred people who lost their jobs because we had to pay them New York's minimum wage, while factories in China paid their workers about a third of that for the same exact work.

But that's OK, they all learned to code or something.

Sarcasm aside, if you're going to set a minimum amount for workers to be paid, then you've also got to control cheap imports from countries that have much lower wages, or those people are going to lose their decent manufacturing jobs and end up stocking shelves at WalMart and Target, ironically stocking them with products from the country that put them out of work in the first place.

Perhaps the saddest thing I recall seeing was a former co-worker who was the supervisor in charge of the dye house working stocking shelves at Home Depot.


I don't believe you. Or, well it might be true, but your correlation is in no way causation.

I certainly believe that you don't think that people should be paid a living wage and should instead be wage slaves.
 
2021-03-08 9:52:28 AM  

dittybopper: know several hundred people who lost their jobs because we had to pay them New York's minimum wage, while factories in China paid their workers about a third of that for the same exact work.


a) I don't believe you

b) What's your point? Let's be a shiathole like China?
 
2021-03-08 10:24:07 AM  

SpectroBoy: dittybopper: know several hundred people who lost their jobs because we had to pay them New York's minimum wage, while factories in China paid their workers about a third of that for the same exact work.

a) I don't believe you

b) What's your point? Let's be a shiathole like China?


Exactly right. We should have higher standards than "you have to work for slave wages because slaves in other parts of the world do."
 
2021-03-08 10:31:38 AM  
This article was written by an asshole of assholes.

But the ambitious legislation entails risks - both economic and political. The bill, which the House is expected to pass and send to Biden within days, injects the economy with so much money that some economists from both parties are warning that growth could overheat, leading to a bout of hard-to-contain inflation. Meanwhile, some businesses are saying that government aid has been so generous that they're already having trouble getting unemployed workers to return to work - a problem that could be exacerbated by the legislation.

Unlike many other significant anti-poverty measures passed by Congress in history, this one has a short time horizon, with almost all the relief for families going away over the coming year. That could be an abrupt awakening for Americans who have grown accustomed to financial support since Congress moved swiftly to create a stronger safety net at the start of the pandemic a year ago. It also lacks the bipartisan imprint of former President Trump's bills, which directed money in larger measure to companies as well as individuals.


I *might* consider this douchbag's argument *if* the Government had been paying everyone $2000 a week and given them universal health care and kept everyone in lockdown, but they didn't. They bailed out the wealthy and gave the rest of us pennies. This article is targeted at upper middle class white people who never worry about their next meals or their next rent payment or their power bill or water bill.

Wow is this a callous article.

Check this out:

The Biden administration is seeing this more like a wartime mobilization. They'll deal with any downside risks later on."

If we dealt with World War 2 like we are dealing with the pandemic, we would lose. GFY Jeff Bezos Post.

The Fed says US unemployment is actually about 10% - nearly double the official rate and matching the worst of the Great Recession

https://www.msn.com/en-us/money/marke​t​s/the-fed-says-us-unemployment-is-actu​ally-about-10-25-nearly-double-the-off​icial-rate-and-matching-the-worst-of-t​he-great-recession/ar-BB1dzNIc
 
2021-03-08 10:33:52 AM  

SpectroBoy: dittybopper: know several hundred people who lost their jobs because we had to pay them New York's minimum wage, while factories in China paid their workers about a third of that for the same exact work.

a) I don't believe you

b) What's your point? Let's be a shiathole like China?


Yes. Conservatives are the crab pot party.
 
2021-03-08 10:53:10 AM  

dittybopper: OtherLittleGuy: FlashHarry: It sucks about the minimum wage, but yeah - this was way more progressive than anything I expected from Biden.

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"Minimum Wage was just a red herring!"

I know several hundred people who lost their jobs because we had to pay them New York's minimum wage, while factories in China paid their workers about a third of that for the same exact work.

But that's OK, they all learned to code or something.

Sarcasm aside, if you're going to set a minimum amount for workers to be paid, then you've also got to control cheap imports from countries that have much lower wages, or those people are going to lose their decent manufacturing jobs and end up stocking shelves at WalMart and Target, ironically stocking them with products from the country that put them out of work in the first place.

Perhaps the saddest thing I recall seeing was a former co-worker who was the supervisor in charge of the dye house working stocking shelves at Home Depot.


You don't know anybody who lost their jobs because of the minimum wage, much less hundreds. Stop farking lying, Mr. "I Want To Murder Democrats"
 
2021-03-08 10:53:27 AM  
Yes, be thankful for your scraps.
 
2021-03-08 10:53:40 AM  
Let the gaslighting begin!

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2021-03-08 10:54:46 AM  
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2021-03-08 10:56:21 AM  
F*ck off.

We were promised $2,000. This isn't $2,000. Someone else promising some other amount is irrelevant.

We needed a new minimum wage, and you (and 8 other members of the Democratic caucus) caved. We were promised $2,000, and you caved. We need to nuke the filibuster, and you seem hesitant to look that issue in the eye.

What WOULD cut poverty long-term is a new minimum wage. What WOULD cut poverty by enormous numbers in the short-term is UBI. But those aren't happening.

Biden is nowhere remotely progressive. He's to the right of Obama, who was already moderate.
 
2021-03-08 10:56:34 AM  
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Looks good to me.  Good job Biden, Schumer, Pelosi!
 
2021-03-08 10:58:21 AM  

OMG_ItAteEveryThing: Yes, be thankful for your scraps.


LOL!
 
2021-03-08 10:59:09 AM  

dittybopper: OtherLittleGuy: FlashHarry: It sucks about the minimum wage, but yeah - this was way more progressive than anything I expected from Biden.

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"Minimum Wage was just a red herring!"

I know several hundred people who lost their jobs because we had to pay them New York's minimum wage, while factories in China paid their workers about a third of that for the same exact work.

But that's OK, they all learned to code or something.

Sarcasm aside, if you're going to set a minimum amount for workers to be paid, then you've also got to control cheap imports from countries that have much lower wages, or those people are going to lose their decent manufacturing jobs and end up stocking shelves at WalMart and Target, ironically stocking them with products from the country that put them out of work in the first place.

Perhaps the saddest thing I recall seeing was a former co-worker who was the supervisor in charge of the dye house working stocking shelves at Home Depot.


Name them. I mean you know them so it should be easy to do.
 
2021-03-08 10:59:19 AM  
Someone here has so much of a hateboner for China that they have to lie to try and make their point. Sad.
 
2021-03-08 10:59:43 AM  
Dnrtfa .... but one-time payments are not a permanent solution to poverty. And even one-time payments barely are being passed with every single farking GQP senator voting against the interests of those they are supposed to be representing because what they voted no on doesn't do much for those they actually represent. Farking psychopaths.
 
2021-03-08 10:59:54 AM  
Hurry up already.

Mr. Asparagus needs to support his weed shop.
 
2021-03-08 11:00:06 AM  

Nadie_AZ: some economists[who?]


FTFTA.

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2021-03-08 11:01:03 AM  

dittybopper: OtherLittleGuy: FlashHarry: It sucks about the minimum wage, but yeah - this was way more progressive than anything I expected from Biden.

[Fark user image 500x281]

"Minimum Wage was just a red herring!"

I know several hundred people who lost their jobs because we had to pay them New York's minimum wage, while factories in China paid their workers about a third of that for the same exact work.

But that's OK, they all learned to code or something.

Sarcasm aside, if you're going to set a minimum amount for workers to be paid, then you've also got to control cheap imports from countries that have much lower wages, or those people are going to lose their decent manufacturing jobs and end up stocking shelves at WalMart and Target, ironically stocking them with products from the country that put them out of work in the first place.

Perhaps the saddest thing I recall seeing was a former co-worker who was the supervisor in charge of the dye house working stocking shelves at Home Depot.


Sounds like bullshiat.
 
2021-03-08 11:01:45 AM  

SpectroBoy: [Fark user image image 548x500]


There should be a '50's style tune about that phrase.  Maybe the bass vocalist starts...

G7
Minimum

Cmaj
            Waaaage
<dootendoodeedoooooo>
 
2021-03-08 11:01:58 AM  

Scorpitron is reduced to a thin red paste: dittybopper: OtherLittleGuy: FlashHarry: It sucks about the minimum wage, but yeah - this was way more progressive than anything I expected from Biden.

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"Minimum Wage was just a red herring!"

I know several hundred people who lost their jobs because we had to pay them New York's minimum wage, while factories in China paid their workers about a third of that for the same exact work.

But that's OK, they all learned to code or something.

Sarcasm aside, if you're going to set a minimum amount for workers to be paid, then you've also got to control cheap imports from countries that have much lower wages, or those people are going to lose their decent manufacturing jobs and end up stocking shelves at WalMart and Target, ironically stocking them with products from the country that put them out of work in the first place.

Perhaps the saddest thing I recall seeing was a former co-worker who was the supervisor in charge of the dye house working stocking shelves at Home Depot.

You don't know anybody who lost their jobs because of the minimum wage, much less hundreds. Stop farking lying, Mr. "I Want To Murder Democrats"


He's going to need a link as proof, but it's completely possible that forcing everybody's wages up was the tipping point to close a factory and buy stuff from China instead.  Companies do make such calculations.

Now, in recent years (pre-Covid), the unemployment rate was so low that such jobs should be easily replaced.  I believe the foundations of the economy are still strong and we should get to a pre-Covid situation pretty quickly once the virus is effectively "gone" and everything is open (and people are willing to go to things with crowds again).
 
2021-03-08 11:02:35 AM  
Ah yes, that money that will go directly to paying the overdue rent of the nearly evicted and then They have nothing again because the virus destroyed their jobs and businesses and we still can't address that until the vaccines have been more fully distributed and administered.

Loads of folks will need regular payments while we get out from under all the dead bodies. Please don't jack yourselves off just yet.
 
2021-03-08 11:03:25 AM  

powhound: Dnrtfa .... but one-time payments are not a permanent solution to poverty. And even one-time payments barely are being passed with every single farking GQP senator voting against the interests of those they are supposed to be representing because what they voted no on doesn't do much for those they actually represent. Farking psychopaths.


Well, Covid is a temporary situation so this makes sense.

As for Republican Senators, the only cure for them is to get voters to not to vote for them, which is easier said than done.
 
2021-03-08 11:03:37 AM  

SVC_conservative: Gubbo: AdmirableSnackbar: It's the most progressive legislation passed since the last time we considered progressive legislation? Not a very high bar to clear.

You weren't directly fellated by a unicorn, thus, everything in the bill is terrible and worse than what the Republicans would have done.


Don't recommend that first part, the recovery post horn-impalement wasn't too pleasant or covered by most HMOs


Elective surgery, my ass!
 
2021-03-08 11:03:42 AM  

SpectroBoy: dittybopper: know several hundred people who lost their jobs because we had to pay them New York's minimum wage, while factories in China paid their workers about a third of that for the same exact work.

a) I don't believe you

b) What's your point? Let's be a shiathole like China?


That's what they want.  A return to third world work standards because the poors have it too easy.
 
2021-03-08 11:03:53 AM  

dittybopper: OtherLittleGuy: FlashHarry: It sucks about the minimum wage, but yeah - this was way more progressive than anything I expected from Biden.

[Fark user image 500x281]

"Minimum Wage was just a red herring!"

I know several hundred people who lost their jobs because we had to pay them New York's minimum wage, while factories in China paid their workers about a third of that for the same exact work.

But that's OK, they all learned to code or something.

Sarcasm aside, if you're going to set a minimum amount for workers to be paid, then you've also got to control cheap imports from countries that have much lower wages, or those people are going to lose their decent manufacturing jobs and end up stocking shelves at WalMart and Target, ironically stocking them with products from the country that put them out of work in the first place.

Perhaps the saddest thing I recall seeing was a former co-worker who was the supervisor in charge of the dye house working stocking shelves at Home Depot.


If they were getting paid under $15 an hour they didn't have decent jobs.
 
2021-03-08 11:04:04 AM  
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Oh look, it's this shiat again.
 
2021-03-08 11:04:07 AM  

Gubbo: dittybopper: OtherLittleGuy: FlashHarry: It sucks about the minimum wage, but yeah - this was way more progressive than anything I expected from Biden.

[Fark user image 500x281]

"Minimum Wage was just a red herring!"

I know several hundred people who lost their jobs because we had to pay them New York's minimum wage, while factories in China paid their workers about a third of that for the same exact work.

But that's OK, they all learned to code or something.

Sarcasm aside, if you're going to set a minimum amount for workers to be paid, then you've also got to control cheap imports from countries that have much lower wages, or those people are going to lose their decent manufacturing jobs and end up stocking shelves at WalMart and Target, ironically stocking them with products from the country that put them out of work in the first place.

Perhaps the saddest thing I recall seeing was a former co-worker who was the supervisor in charge of the dye house working stocking shelves at Home Depot.

I don't believe you. Or, well it might be true, but your correlation is in no way causation.

I certainly believe that you don't think that people should be paid a living wage and should instead be wage slaves.


Beyond the anecdotes his point was that higher wages may need some protectionism...whether that's true or not I don't know.
 
2021-03-08 11:04:10 AM  

SpectroBoy: b) What's your point? Let's be a shiathole like China?


No, he said "if you're going to set a minimum amount for workers to be paid, then you've also got to control cheap imports from countries that have much lower wages"
 
2021-03-08 11:04:24 AM  

powhound: Dnrtfa .... but one-time payments are not a permanent solution to poverty


Maybe you should read the article then, because the direct payments aren't what is reducing poverty.

Here's a good primer on how it works.
 
2021-03-08 11:04:46 AM  

abb3w: Nadie_AZ: some economists[who?]

FTFTA.

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I think a [Weasel Words] tag would also be appropriate
 
2021-03-08 11:05:12 AM  
Poverty isn't something you can fix with a one-time cash handout. These people will be right back to living paycheque to paycheque in a few weeks' time. Happy that the bill is being passed, but this isn't a permanent improvement in the lives of most Americans like the legislation passed in the 1930s. It's an insult to Roosevelt to position it as such.
 
2021-03-08 11:05:42 AM  
"My business can ONLY survive if I pay my employees 7.25 an hour!"

Then you have a shiat business, free market philosophy dictates that it should eat shiat and die so a stronger one can take its place, but for some reason we just keep giving out bailouts at taxpayer expense instead.

Plenty of other countries manage higher minimum wages, social benefits, and healthcare, with less GDP than we do. Its almost like the excuses we hear all the time are bullshiat.
 
2021-03-08 11:05:46 AM  

toddalmighty: Until it's taken out of your tax refund next year.


You pay taxes? Sucker.
 
2021-03-08 11:07:01 AM  

Shaggy_C: Poverty isn't something you can fix with a one-time cash handout.


Good thing that's not what it's relying on. You do realize there's a LOT more to this than a cash handout, right?
 
2021-03-08 11:07:28 AM  

AdmirableSnackbar: It's the most progressive legislation passed since the last time we considered progressive legislation? Not a very high bar to clear.


There's holding politicians accountable to their constituency and to their promises and to our expectations for them.  And then there's whatever terminal issue you've developed.
 
2021-03-08 11:07:34 AM  

dittybopper: OtherLittleGuy: FlashHarry: It sucks about the minimum wage, but yeah - this was way more progressive than anything I expected from Biden.

[Fark user image 500x281]

"Minimum Wage was just a red herring!"

I know several hundred people who lost their jobs because we had to pay them New York's minimum wage, while factories in China paid their workers about a third of that for the same exact work.

But that's OK, they all learned to code or something.

Sarcasm aside, if you're going to set a minimum amount for workers to be paid, then you've also got to control cheap imports from countries that have much lower wages, or those people are going to lose their decent manufacturing jobs and end up stocking shelves at WalMart and Target, ironically stocking them with products from the country that put them out of work in the first place.

Perhaps the saddest thing I recall seeing was a former co-worker who was the supervisor in charge of the dye house working stocking shelves at Home Depot.


So in this story, people lost their jobs because their employer was forced to pay minimum wage. Which means that a lot of those people were *not* already making at least minimum wage. Then later, one of those people is seen stocking shelves at Home Depot and earning what we can now presume to be at *least* minimum wage. So to recap, people lost their low-paying jobs and then went out and got jobs that had to pay them more. And we are supposed to think this is bad because Home Depot is undignified or something.
 
2021-03-08 11:07:37 AM  

bluejeansonfire: Biden is nowhere remotely progressive. He's to the right of Obama, who was already moderate.


Yeah, if we had a right wing party with any sanity, they'd be positioned about where the Democrats are in the spectrum. We dont have a left-leaning party because human decency and respectability do not have lobby money.
 
2021-03-08 11:08:42 AM  

bluejeansonfire: Biden is nowhere remotely progressive. He's to the right of Obama, who was already moderate.


And yet he (Biden) has passed much more progressive laws in his career (Climate change, woman's protection, etc.,)  than people like Bernie Sanders has in their 30 years in office.

Maybe some people count "progressive" on what people have PASSED not instead of speeches.

Sanders has passed one bill he authored of any significant. It was one bill that was a BI-Partisan bill that he even then made more compromises with republicans.


That's not a knock on Sanders put to pretend someone like him is some huge progressive while Biden is not makes no sense if you look at actual accomplishments.
 
2021-03-08 11:08:49 AM  

bluejeansonfire: F*ck off.

We were promised $2,000. This isn't $2,000. Someone else promising some other amount is irrelevant.

We needed a new minimum wage, and you (and 8 other members of the Democratic caucus) caved. We were promised $2,000, and you caved. We need to nuke the filibuster, and you seem hesitant to look that issue in the eye.

What WOULD cut poverty long-term is a new minimum wage. What WOULD cut poverty by enormous numbers in the short-term is UBI. But those aren't happening.

Biden is nowhere remotely progressive. He's to the right of Obama, who was already moderate.


So let's blame the people trying to drag the kicking, screaming corpus of the recumbent Cons for not dragging hard enough?
Also the preferred nomenclature is "Stimmy check.
 
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