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(NPR)   Trump: our allies should pay more for having our troops stationed on their soil. Allies: how about we wait 'til the next guy is in office, then strike deals with him?   (npr.org) divider line
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2021-03-08 10:12:05 AM  
Honestly, I can see why. Trump is forever trying to alter the terms of any deal.
 
2021-03-08 10:24:25 AM  
Lots of countries pay money to have foreign troops camped on their territory.  Take Carthage, for example.
 
2021-03-08 2:54:55 PM  
And while we're at it tell them to take better care of their stuff. The damn things have weeds growing on them for cryin' out loud!
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2021-03-08 6:36:48 PM  
Trump: "our allies should pay more TO ME for having our troops stationed on their soil."

FTFE
 
2021-03-08 8:01:22 PM  
Everyone who had any brains just waited Trump out.
 
2021-03-08 8:13:10 PM  

Marcus Aurelius: Take Carthage, for example


"You got it, boss" - Ancient Rome
 
2021-03-08 8:14:01 PM  
As if after Trump the USA is in a strong negotiating position. We can't trust a thing they say or do.
 
2021-03-08 8:23:19 PM  

RasIanI: Everyone who had any brains just waited Trump out.


It still hasn't sunk in just how much Trump has damaged US credibility.

All deals with the US can be assumed to be temporary now, regardless of what the agreement is about.
 
2021-03-08 8:24:17 PM  
Despite various pundits criticizing it as a lazy move, this is exactly why I liked Biden resurrecting former Obama officials. They have established relationships and can use existing rapport to get things done.
 
2021-03-08 8:34:24 PM  

Bennie Crabtree: As if after Trump the USA is in a strong negotiating position. We can't trust a thing they say or do.


It's not the country as a whole. The problem is the whole world, especially government analysts, watched the president's party get on board with whatever insanity he peddled on a given day--and didn't put him out of office either of the two times they had ample grounds. (And I'm sure Dems would have been happy to show them bipartisan cooperation if Republicans chose to lead impeachment on any of the many other offenses for which he deserved it.)
 
2021-03-08 9:10:42 PM  
So, does Trump try to:
A) Take credit for it
B) Berate Biden for not getting enough money in the deal
C) Claim that Korea should have called him, since he's still the real president
D) All of the above
 
2021-03-08 9:32:47 PM  

Marcus Aurelius: Lots of countries pay money to have foreign troops camped on their territory.  Take Carthage, for example.


Korea delenda es


I wonder how annoying it eventually got to have Cato finish all his statements in the senate by saying that Carthage must be destroyed. I get there's some historical sources that mention he did this. But do they go into enough detail to describe how it was kinda cute and clever the first couple of times and eventually every senator just wanted to punch him in the face?
 
2021-03-08 9:36:01 PM  
"In 2019, South Korea agreed to an 8.2% increase in its contribution, in line with that year's increase in its military budget. Last year, it said its best offer was a 13% hike, which the Trump administration rejected."

You toad-penised moron.

This guy isn't just incompetent, he's actively working against himself all day long.
 
2021-03-08 9:41:14 PM  
I know people who will do something for their own benefit, a thing which also benefits you as a side effect, then they try to play it off like they did it for you and now you owe them for it. To me it looked like Trump was doing exactly that except on an international scale.

It's in our interests to have bases and troops all over the world. You'd have to be a moran or naive, or both, to think it's for the benefit of the host country. Sure, Japan and various other countries benefit but that's not why we do it. Trump thought he was a smooth operator in trying to get countries to pay for things we were going to pay for anyways. I know it pisses me off when someone tries to pull that kind of crap with me, I can only imagine how annoyed a government got when Trump did it.
 
2021-03-08 9:44:53 PM  

Bennie Crabtree: As if after Trump the USA is in a strong negotiating position. We can't trust a thing they say or do.


Patience . Get it. Trust might follow . I am sure that they are working on that. It might involve a gift basket .
 
2021-03-08 9:48:53 PM  

recondite cetacean: "In 2019, South Korea agreed to an 8.2% increase in its contribution, in line with that year's increase in its military budget. Last year, it said its best offer was a 13% hike, which the Trump administration rejected."

You toad-penised moron.

This guy isn't just incompetent, he's actively working against himself all day long.


Kind of like how Pfizer was willing to sell more vials of the vaccine in the beginning stages and yet the Trump Administration fumbled the ball on that one as well?

Its almost like he isn't the brilliant tactician he says he is.
 
2021-03-08 9:52:08 PM  

recondite cetacean: "In 2019, South Korea agreed to an 8.2% increase in its contribution, in line with that year's increase in its military budget. Last year, it said its best offer was a 13% hike, which the Trump administration rejected."

You toad-penised moron.

This guy isn't just incompetent, he's actively working against himself all day long.


Just to note, last year is now 2020. So he got an increase in 2019 and when he refused to actually negotiate last year he couldn't get another one.

Korea is a bit of a weird situation, it is one of the few friendly places US troops are stationed where a significant reason in the defence of that country. Even then the main reason is to further US interests in the region, but not the sole reason (like US forces stationed in Germany are not there to defend Germany but as a central location for US operations in Europe, North Africa, and the Middle East rather than basing everything on the wrong side of the Atlantic).
 
2021-03-08 10:04:55 PM  
wait why are we in the rest of the world not charging the US rent to stations troops abroad?
 
2021-03-08 11:36:02 PM  
Hilarious

Korea offers 13% as best offer.
Trump wants 500%.
Korea waits it out.
Korea pays 8.2%.
 
2021-03-09 12:00:59 AM  

kbronsito: Marcus Aurelius: Lots of countries pay money to have foreign troops camped on their territory.  Take Carthage, for example.

Korea delenda es


I wonder how annoying it eventually got to have Cato finish all his statements in the senate by saying that Carthage must be destroyed. I get there's some historical sources that mention he did this. But do they go into enough detail to describe how it was kinda cute and clever the first couple of times and eventually every senator just wanted to punch him in the face?


Cato the Elder was the Ted Cruz of the Punic War era senate.
 
2021-03-09 12:41:46 AM  

kristufer82: Hilarious

Korea offers 13% as best offer.
Trump wants 500%.
Korea waits it out.
Korea pays 8.2%.


You got another source because the way I read TFA is that in 2019 both sides agreed to an 8.2% increase which went into effect. In 2020 they were negotiating another increase and Korea offered 13% but Trump wouldn't negotiate so they ended up with no increase.

Which may sound better at first glance, but it is actually a lot worse for Trump because instead of losing 4.8% of the 2019 baseline, his "negotiations" lost 13% of the 2020 baseline or just over 14% of the 2019 baseline.
 
2021-03-09 7:16:16 AM  
In which NATO and Japan and South Korea pretend to have the moral high ground regarding a history of authoritarianism.
 
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